Black Adam VS Terrax: TO THE DEATH!
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LordofBrooklyn
Black Adam- Classic
VS
Terrax
To the death!
Adam or Axe?
Bentley
Terrax's brutality will give him a distinctive edge.
abhilegend
Adam tears him in half.
pym-ftw
Twrrax gives him a fight, but Bladam wins.
Mshinu
Terrax is tough, BA is tougher. Bladam takes a majority.
tkitna
Adam but he knows he's in a fight.
zopzop
Terrax destroys him (fights and feats).
At least he's gone up against high heralds and not gotten his jaw crushed.
DarkSaint85
This Zehuti chap must be dumb as fcuk.
abhilegend
Originally posted by zopzop
Terrax destroys him (fights and feats).
At least he's gone up against high heralds and not gotten his jaw crushed.
Adam has actually beaten top tiers, unlike Terrax who gets beaten everytime he goes against top tiers.
Also Gamora.
zopzop
Originally posted by abhilegend
Adam has actually beaten top tiers, unlike Terrax who gets beaten everytime he goes against top tiers.
Also Gamora.
Which DC top tiers has Adam beaten and what was the context?
Gamora is Gamora. Martial arts PIS at it's finest.
abhilegend
Originally posted by zopzop
Which DC top tiers has Adam beaten and what was the context?
Gamora is Gamora. Martial arts PIS at it's finest.
Power Girl, Alan Scott, Martian Manhunter, Eclipso, Amazo, Four Horsemen etc.
Ah, your favorite rule of PIS again. Terrax has made a career out of them.
carver9
What has current Adam done?
zopzop
Originally posted by abhilegend
Power Girl, Alan Scott, Martian Manhunter, Eclipso, Amazo, Four Horsemen etc.
With the exception of Eclipso (context?) and Amazo (obvious low showing), Terrax would destroy the people you just listed.
It is what it is. Superman and other speedsters have been tagged and humiliated by PIS infested Martial Artists. So you don't even want to go there.
@ carver9
Nothing, unless you consider getting b|tched by UM "something".
abhilegend
Originally posted by carver9
What has current Adam done?
Its classic adam.Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Black Adam- Classic
VS
Terrax
To the death!
Adam or Axe? Originally posted by zopzop
With the exception of Eclipso (context?) and Amazo (obvious low showing), Terrax would destroy the people you just listed.
It is what it is. Superman and other speedsters have been tagged and humiliated by PIS infested Martial Artists. So you don't even want to go there.
@ carver9
Nothing, unless you consider getting b|tched by UM "something".
Haha, what? You think Terrax is going to destroy Sentinel, Power Girl and Martian Manhunter? Do you even know who these guys are and what they have done? Here is the scan with Eclipso where he breaks her neck.
http://imgur.com/Rnb5DYS
http://imgur.com/OIZGQIE
http://imgur.com/Gylv2JU
She regenerated but still.
Adam has taken on entire JSA at 1/3 of his powers.
Also what martial artist have outright beaten Superman, not that Terrax is a speedster? Gamora beat Terrax outright.
zopzop
Originally posted by abhilegend
Its classic adam.
Haha, what? You think Terrax is going to destroy Sentinel, Power Girl and Martian Manhunter?
I know who they are and I stand by my statement. Terrax would break them.
So he didn't really beat Eclipso at all.
And how serious was the JSA about winning that fight? Context.
You realize Terrax WANTED to die right and was actively fighting against the microbes or whatever it was the AWave injected him with?
abhilegend
Originally posted by zopzop
I know who they are and I stand by my statement. Terrax would break them. You don't know them at all then. Alan would spank his ass and J'onn would too.
Of course he did. She healed back but she did it after being stabbed by spear of destiny too.
Very serious.
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See for yourself.
So? She still KTFO him. He wasn't weakened or something.
http://i.imgur.com/FgZwIjz.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/jasX4KR.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/CR5UsKW.jpg
Bentley
I don't disagree that Alan and J'onn -in his good days, he's as bad a jobber as Terrax-, could give Terrax a run for his money. I actually think Alan beats him.
But Sentinel Alan also destroys BA unless there is some deep PIS involved.
Galan007
Adam rips his face off.
dial J for Josh
Black Adam gets stomped. He is officially dc's weakest herald. He has been demoted to low-herald/high-meta now.
Galan007
Originally posted by dial J for Josh
Black Adam gets stomped. He is officially dc's weakest herald. He has been demoted to low-herald/high-meta now. Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Black Adam- Classic
That aside, Ulty stomping DCnU Adam doesn't warrant a 'demotion'. :/
Bentley
Originally posted by dial J for Josh
Black Adam gets stomped. He is officially dc's weakest herald. He has been demoted to low-herald/high-meta now.
Officially? Nah, but his fans have -mostly- never cared much for what he actually does. He only has his brutality and statements about him being on par with Superman.
Somehow when there are statements about WW and Martian Manhunter people never rep those characters, but they rep Adam because "he's cool". Wonder Woman and J'onn have feats of power that put Adam (and Captain Marvel) into shame, but don't go around telling that to the Marvel Family fans.
At least this is my experience from years of frequenting this forums, maybe someone will finally prove me wrong? I want to rep Billy, I like the character, but I'm not going to ignore every other character and use bias to tip battles in his favor.
zopzop
Originally posted by abhilegend
You don't know them at all then. Alan would spank his ass and J'onn would too.
Terrax would destroy Jonn. He'd take the majority vs Alan too. Terrax is easily as strong as Adam and his power output sh|ts all over anything BA has done on panel.
Good for him. Like the Amazo "fight" it was an obvious low showing for Eclipso.
That was a horrible showing for the JSA. PG cutting loose with her HV actually melted the gold on Adam's costume! omg! :yawn:
Dude, let's try it a different way.
If Superman was possessed/mind controlled/body snatched, he was aware he was compromised, he wanted to lose so badly that he even wanted to be put down, and he was actively fighting the effect of the possession/mind control/body snatching. Then he gets beaten by a character, let's call her Character X, CLEARLY below him power wise while in this state. Would you count this is a legitimate loss for Superman?
Golgo13
Terrax beating Alan? Yeah, right. Adam wins this.
Branlor Swift
Originally posted by Bentley
Officially? Nah, but his fans have -mostly- never cared much for what he actually does. He only has his brutality and statements about him being on par with Superman.
Somehow when there are statements about WW and Martian Manhunter people never rep those characters, but they rep Adam because "he's cool". Wonder Woman and J'onn have feats of power that put Adam (and Captain Marvel) into shame, but don't go around telling that to the Marvel Family fans.
At least this is my experience from years of frequenting this forums, maybe someone will finally prove me wrong? I want to rep Billy, I like the character, but I'm not going to ignore every other character and use bias to tip battles in his favor. They don't have any feats that put them to shame, and the difference is Adam/Billy don't have instances where Superman shit stomps the person they got shit stomped by. And Superman hasn't shown raw superiority to Billy/Adam like he has to Wonder Woman.
WW/MM are equal to Superman when they aren't fighting him, Billy/Adam is equal to Superman when they are fighting him.
If it wasn't for a lot of logic leaps, they would be equal to him at all times. But that's not all right for Superman fans, so they aren't. Though I really don't see the big deal with this anyway, it's not like it degrades Superman like a WW/MM comparison would... meh.
Anyway, lol at Terrax beating Post Crisis Adam. I don't care about NuDC Adam, but Post would tear Terrax in half.
Galan007
Has anyone aside from Firestorm ever beaten Adam with energy blasts or whatnot..?
Branlor Swift
Originally posted by zopzop
I know who they are and I stand by my statement. Terrax would break them.
So he didn't really beat Eclipso at all.
And how serious was the JSA about winning that fight? Context.
You realize Terrax WANTED to die right and was actively fighting against the microbes or whatever it was the AWave injected him with? You realize your logic is just as easily flipped against Terrax? What top tiers has Terrax beaten? Terrax has like one decent win for that matter...
But I find it funny how you defend Terrax's losses as PIS, yet you turn around and call Black Adam's wins PIS. I guess we could use this logic for Adam if he actually had as many lows as Terrax though...
She was done for the time being.
Also this:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Black%20Adam/BlackAdam08.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Black%20Adam/BlackAdam09.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Black%20Adam/BlackAdam10.jpg
Adam runs through him
Branlor Swift
Originally posted by Galan007
Has anyone aside from Firestorm ever beaten Adam with energy blasts or whatnot..? Not really. Shazam I guess. Spectre too, but that had to do more with messing with his energy.
Though the Firestorm one is quite low (or it just shows the amp he got from the Matrix at the time)... it's still not as bad as half of Terrax's stuff.
He did take a beating from Onimar Synn though and kept coming back for more.
mighty adam
Originally posted by Bentley
Officially? Nah, but his fans have -mostly- never cared much for what he actually does. He only has his brutality and statements about him being on par with Superman.
Somehow when there are statements about WW and Martian Manhunter people never rep those characters, but they rep Adam because "he's cool". Wonder Woman and J'onn have feats of power that put Adam (and Captain Marvel) into shame, but don't go around telling that to the Marvel Family fans.
At least this is my experience from years of frequenting this forums, maybe someone will finally prove me wrong? I want to rep Billy, I like the character, but I'm not going to ignore every other character and use bias to tip battles in his favor. CM have crazy feats are you smoking wet? Cm fought specter, one shotted supes, stupid wild durability feats like being turned inside out etc. BA ww3 nuff said, a universal catastrophe implanted inside his head couldn't kill him. Bitching the dcu for decades. Btw people with knowledge do respect MM and WW. Mm has feats that put him above BA. WW not fully geared gets cum dumped on her face tho.
Galan007
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Not really. Shazam I guess. Spectre too, but that had to do more with messing with his energy.
Though the Firestorm one is quite low (or it just shows the amp he got from the Matrix at the time)... it's still not as bad as half of Terrax's stuff.
He did take a beating from Onimar Synn though and kept coming back for more. Shazam doesn't really matter/apply imo, because a.) Billy is basically the antithesis of Adam, and b.) Terrax ain't magic. Same with Spectre(the fact the he is an aspect of GOD notwithstanding.)
I wouldn't call it a low showing, really. That was the same series that began touting FS as a universal power, and had him thrashing an amped Kalibak and Orion. Terrax can't do any of that.
That alone should be enough to deduce that Terrax isn't winning. Onimar>>>Terrax.
Branlor Swift
Originally posted by Galan007
Shazam doesn't really matter/apply imo, because a.) Billy is basically the antithesis of Adam, and b.) Terrax ain't magic. Same with Spectre(the fact the he is an aspect of GOD notwithstanding.)
I wouldn't call it a low showing, really. That was the same series that began touting FS as a universal power, and had him thrashing an amped Kalibak and Orion. Terrax can't do any of that.
That alone should be enough to deduce that Terrax isn't winning. Onimar>>>Terrax. Yeah, just pointing who did it.
Meh, he did receive a big jolt from the Matrix at the time. Still...
He also beat Billy with Shazam's power...
Bentley
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
They don't have any feats that put them to shame, and the difference is Adam/Billy don't have instances where Superman shit stomps the person they got shit stomped by. And Superman hasn't shown raw superiority to Billy/Adam like he has to Wonder Woman.
WW/MM are equal to Superman when they aren't fighting him, Billy/Adam is equal to Superman when they are fighting him.
That pretty much only proves that MM/WW fight Kal more often, he's scored conclusive defeats against them because they have more history with him. Going by the logic you propose Adam/Billy have less shameful encounters with Kal than Darkseid.
I'm in no way saying Adam/Billy aren't around Kal level, but people putting them above MM/WW and others is -imo- uncalled.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
If it wasn't for a lot of logic leaps, they would be equal to him at all times. But that's not all right for Superman fans, so they aren't. Though I really don't see the big deal with this anyway, it's not like it degrades Superman like a WW/MM comparison would... meh.
Again this guys get to share Superman status exactly... How? By beating conclusively powerful heralds such as Wonder Woman? Maybe Darkseid?
I understand the argument you're applying here, it is sensible to consider that "Superman clones" are meant to be "Superman level", after all, that's the concept behind their powersets for most part. But the duo doesn't really have that many outstanding matchups against other powerhouses. Kal in the other hand is a proved powerhouse buster.
I'm ready to be swayed in my -unfair?- conception of these characters, but I find the proof I've seen rather underwhelming. I don't think the comparision is degrading as much as I think it's unaccurate and assigns power to the duo that they haven't displayed.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Anyway, lol at Terrax beating Post Crisis Adam. I don't care about NuDC Adam, but Post would tear Terrax in half.
In my first post I mirrored the tired argument that people use to give BA the win over Superman.
People are kind of lowballing Terrax -he's one of the few underrated jobbers in the forums-, but I fully understand when people say he's crushed. He has some sad showings Under his belt.
Bentley
Originally posted by mighty adam
CM have crazy feats are you smoking wet? Cm fought specter, one shotted supes, stupid wild durability feats like being turned inside out etc. BA ww3 nuff said, a universal catastrophe implanted inside his head couldn't kill him. Bitching the dcu for decades. Btw people with knowledge do respect MM and WW. Mm has feats that put him above BA. WW not fully geared gets cum dumped on her face tho.
CM was boosted against the Specter (unless we're talking fo a different feat. The durability feat you mention is awesome, but it's more of a powerset thing than an actual feat of power. One-shotting Kal is ok, that's a feat I can get behind.
BA in WW3 is less of an impressive showing than people make it up to be, but I'm more than open to see it in a different perspective in the light of other feats.
mighty adam
Originally posted by Bentley
CM was boosted against the Specter (unless we're talking fo a different feat. The durability feat you mention is awesome, but it's more of a powerset thing than an actual feat of power. One-shotting Kal is ok, that's a feat I can get behind.
BA in WW3 is less of an impressive showing than people make it up to be, but I'm more than open to see it in a different perspective in the light of other feats. I agree ww3 mm even said there is heroes here stronger, fast, more powerful but none more brutal. BA isn't the greatest physical by a long shot, but he will do to others what they will never do to him.
Branlor Swift
Originally posted by Bentley
That pretty much only proves that MM/WW fight Kal more often, he's scored conclusive defeats against them because they have more history with him. Going by the logic you propose Adam/Billy have less shameful encounters with Kal than Darkseid.
I'm in no way saying Adam/Billy aren't around Kal level, but people putting them above MM/WW and others is -imo- uncalled.
Superman has no real fights against MM, and the comparisons come from people just saying it, not by MM actually doing anything at all. This usually comes around the same time that someone absolutely stomps MM, and then Superman stomps the being who did it.
But I'm going by the logic that they either aren't completely overpowered by Superman, and Superman doesn't beat the Christ out of beings who shit stomp them.
Wonder Woman admittedly does good against Superman, but that's not because she's equal to him in power, it's because of certain skills and weapons. MM is just an embarrassment.
Considering Captain Marvel beat ****ing Wonder Woman, Flash, MM and others at the same time... I'd say it's pretty called for. And considering who Adam has beaten at the same time, yeah, called for.
Originally posted by Bentley
Again this guys get to share Superman status exactly... How? By beating conclusively powerful heralds such as Wonder Woman? Maybe Darkseid?
I understand the argument you're applying here, it is sensible to consider that "Superman clones" are meant to be "Superman level", after all, that's the concept behind their powersets for most part. But the duo doesn't really have that many outstanding matchups against other powerhouses. Kal in the other hand is a proved powerhouse buster.
I'm ready to be swayed in my -unfair?- conception of these characters, but I find the proof I've seen rather underwhelming. I don't think the comparision is degrading as much as I think it's unaccurate and assigns power to the duo that they haven't displayed. Because they are stated to be equal to him, and they do pretty good against Superman.
Well yeah they beat people such as Wonder Woman. Hell, take a look at the scans posted here for example.
And both have beaten people around Darkseid level too. Thunderbolt was roughed up when he went against Adam in WW3. Adam's beaten Shazam Billy. Etc.
I don't care at all about Superman clones though. I'm using feats. Fact is there's no real consistent "Superman clone" (super speed, super strength, ice breath, hv, etc) on his real level. The only Superman peers who do good against him in raw strength are Orion, Black Adam, and Billy. Out of them, Orion is the only one who has the "Superman save me" feats, but he does make up for it.
And both Billy and Adam are powerhouse busters. Scans have been posted of him beating the JSA while he was sharing power with Billy and Mary. Which included Power Girl who is pretty much an equal in strength to Wonder Woman (as per their fights). Of him effortlessly snapping Eclipso's neck. Of him running through Spectre.
You want scans of WW3 Adam fighting like 30 heroes at the same time, and one punching Martian Manhunter in that time? You want scans of him ripping Amazo's head off while he had a GL, and Wonder Woman's power at the time (he also took out Firestorm, albeit a cheap shot) in that incarnation? Of him beating up the JSA a couple more times? Billy beating Flash, Wonder Woman, Martian Manhunter at the same time? Of Billy on his own taking a crazy amount of punishment against Spectre?
Or does he need some sort of feat where he walks through Thunderbolt's powers being unleashed through Johnny Thunder and then kills him with a spear?
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Among others.
I get that Superman fans like to say they're below Superman just so Superman beats him, but for everyone else who acts like they're just so far below Superman that they might as well be Martian Manhunter? I don't get that. They're just about the only real peers Superman actually has, and the sooner that gets realized, the sooner people stop seeing them have trouble with people like Terrax.
Originally posted by Bentley
In my first post I mirrored the tired argument that people use to give BA the win over Superman.
People are kind of lowballing Terrax -he's one of the few underrated jobbers in the forums-, but I fully understand when people say he's crushed. He has some sad showings Under his belt. Maybe it's tired, maybe it has merit. Irrelevant ultimately.
He might be underrated, but underrating Black Adam isn't any better.
Branlor Swift
Originally posted by Bentley
CM was boosted against the Specter (unless we're talking fo a different feat. http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Billy/DayofVengeance0221.jpg
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About around this hit he starts getting amped. Maybe after judging by him being damaged, and then taking a lot more blasts after this page and fighting Spectre on and off panel like half the comic until we finally find out he's being amped. Although all she was doing was feeding him power just enough to keep him alive before she actually started amping him with other sources. Stamina in other words.
The battle also happened off panel before we learn he's fighting Spectre too judging by his damage.
leonidas
dcnu adam would make it close, i'd take terrax for a small majority perhaps. post-c adam would def take a very heavy majority over him, maybe 8-9/10. terrax has a couple showings that might suggest he could take 1 or 2, but that would be using his highest end feats while simultaneously forgetting about adam's high feats.
Bentley
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
And both Billy and Adam are powerhouse busters.
So is Diana in her own way, but you don't seem too bothered to say her stats are sensibly different to Kal. I agree, but that's beside the point I guess, the upper levels of strength for Superman are proved and tested.
I do value the showings you posted and I certainly think they lend credence to their case. I'll look closely at Billy's feats, since they are actually pretty interesting it'll help to rebuild my stance on BA indirectly.
Colossus-Big C
By supermans own words
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Black Adam stronger than Martian Manhunter and Wonder woman. unless you can see then physically restraining superman like this ^^
Branlor Swift
Originally posted by Bentley
So is Diana in her own way, but you don't seem too bothered to say her stats are sensibly different to Kal. I agree, but that's beside the point I guess, the upper levels of strength for Superman are proved and tested.
I do value the showings you posted and I certainly think they lend credence to their case. I'll look closely at Billy's feats, since they are actually pretty interesting it'll help to rebuild my stance on BA indirectly. Because she is shown directly to be quite a bit weaker than Superman. That's not the case with Billy/Adam when they fight Superman.
Of course Superman is going to have better highs, that's just going to happen. And in the case of Billy/Adam, that's really all he has going for him to say he's stronger (or from some people, way stronger). In direct comparisons, they're relatively equal. In statements, they're relatively equal. And in terms of high feats, they can match a lot of the ridiculousness of some, though obviously not all.
All Martian Manhunter has going for him is statements. All Wonder Woman has going for her is direct comparisons (which again, is NOT due to her strength and durability), and the odd statement. It's really not the same at all.
I know a lot of people will disagree with me, but they are more Superman peers than any other characters in comics. And to your original statement, it is not only statements that put them at this level like it is for MM, and lesser for WW.
Blue Area Vet
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
You realize your logic is just as easily flipped against Terrax? What top tiers has Terrax beaten? Terrax has like one decent win for that matter...
But I find it funny how you defend Terrax's losses as PIS, yet you turn around and call Black Adam's wins PIS. I guess we could use this logic for Adam if he actually had as many lows as Terrax though...
She was done for the time being.
Also this:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Black%20Adam/BlackAdam08.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Black%20Adam/BlackAdam09.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Black%20Adam/BlackAdam10.jpg
Adam runs through him
That's actually accurate when you think about who the characters are meant to be. Terrax is a villian with few redeamable qualities.....hell I can't think of one. BA is suppose to be an anti-hero fanboys dream and he is written as such. PIS-PIS Anyone, Terrax makes the Namor ripoff wish he could go back in time and kill his mother so he would never be born.
Colossus-Big C
Lol adam would beat any galactus herald, even surfer.
matter manip doesnt kill him
Branlor Swift
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
That's actually accurate when you think about who the characters are meant to be. Terrax is a villian with few redeamable qualities.....hell I can't think of one. BA is suppose to be an anti-hero fanboys dream and he is written as such. PIS-PIS Anyone, Terrax makes the Namor ripoff wish he could go back in time and kill his mother so he would never be born. Terrax is an anti hero sometimes. Black Adam is an anti hero sometimes.
And he's killed probably more people on panel than Terrax has appearances. He's much more of a villain than Terrax, and most of his good feats involve him fighting heroes.
But yes, all of Black Adam's good feats are PIS. Just like all of Terrax's good feats are PIS. Right?
zopzop
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
You realize your logic is just as easily flipped against Terrax? What top tiers has Terrax beaten? Terrax has like one decent win for that matter...
But I find it funny how you defend Terrax's losses as PIS, yet you turn around and call Black Adam's wins PIS. I guess we could use this logic for Adam if he actually had as many lows as Terrax though...
She was done for the time being.
Also this:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Black%20Adam/BlackAdam08.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Black%20Adam/BlackAdam09.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Black%20Adam/BlackAdam10.jpg
Adam runs through him
No, you're not getting me.
I'm not saying Adam's high wins are PIS to trollish. I'm saying his high "wins" against notable Team Busters like Amazo and Eclipso are PIS. Eclipso can mimic any power to ANY LEVEL, how the xxxx are you just gonna rip his head off? That's a textbook example of PIS.
Eclipso is an aspect of God and opposite of the Spectre, if beating It is as simple as snapping It's neck, we got problems.
His other fights are what they are. Nice but nothing a non jobbing Terrax couldn't do if in his place.
And the only loss of Terrax I'd write off as PIS would be vs Ganymede.
The Gamora fight speaks for itself. He was 'possessed' and fighting the control while hoping Gamora put him down. It's right there on panel.
Terrax losing to Morg or the SS isn't PIS. It's a solid Mid Herald losing against High Heralds.
Terrax's axe was one of two things that did any kind of cosmetic damage vs Tyrant (the other being Galactus), it's sliced Surfer's board in two like a hot knife through butter, it's busted a damn planet. If that thing connects with BA, he's done.
zopzop
A correction :
I meant AMAZO, not Eclipso.
Branlor Swift
Originally posted by zopzop
No, you're not getting me.
I'm not saying Adam's high wins are PIS to trollish. I'm saying his high "wins" against notable Team Busters like Amazo and Eclipso are PIS. Eclipso can mimic any power to ANY LEVEL, how the xxxx are you just gonna rip his head off? That's a textbook example of PIS.
Eclipso is an aspect of God and opposite of the Spectre, if beating It is as simple as snapping It's neck, we got problems.
His other fights are what they are. Nice but nothing a non jobbing Terrax couldn't do if in his place.
And the only loss of Terrax I'd write off as PIS would be vs Ganymede.
The Gamora fight speaks for itself. He was 'possessed' and fighting the control while hoping Gamora put him down. It's right there on panel.
Terrax losing to Morg or the SS isn't PIS. It's a solid Mid Herald losing against High Heralds.
Terrax's axe was one of two things that did any kind of cosmetic damage vs Tyrant (the other being Galactus), it's sliced Surfer's board in two like a hot knife through butter, it's busted a damn planet. If that thing connects with BA, he's done.
Really? Because it seems you want all the feats from Black Adam yet you don't want to supply anything to support Terrax. What top tiers has Terrax beaten Zop? Or am I not getting you?
Probably by ripping his head off.
Eclipso wasn't a Spectre level being in that story.
A "non jobbing" Terrax could replicate them? Name some appearances that even begin to defend this. Alan Scott would absolutely rape Terrax on his own.
Seems in line with Gany's level, and Terrax's appearance against Gamora.
Then Terrax should have completely stopped fighting her. His body was still fighting her and he had no control. And considering how absolutely terrible Terrax fights, she basically beat Terrax.
Terrax got like two shotted by Thor. When Surfer is serious he completely wrecks Terrax. He only does decent against Morg because it becomes an axe fight at that point in time. The Sentry "fight" was hilarious.
Also I'd go back and look but considering how little proof you want to offer up, I'll just state it off the top of my mind, but didn't he get like two punched against Morg in that Tyrant scuffle?
Too bad Terrax's axe almost never does hit anyone. He's whacked Nova, didn't cause any damage. He hit Morg in the neck and only managed to destroy the mind control device. And I'm pretty sure that wasn't 616 Terrax or 616 Surfer. But funny how you want to rule off high feats from Black Adam, yet you're more than prepared to bring up a high feat in him doing superficial damage against Tyrant.
But anyway I just showed you Black Adam ramming through Spectre. If that connects with Terrax, he's done.
zopzop
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Really? Because it seems you want all the feats from Black Adam yet you don't want to supply anything to support Terrax. What top tiers has Terrax beaten Zop? Or am I not getting you?
Probably by ripping his head off.
Eclipso wasn't a Spectre level being in that story.
A "non jobbing" Terrax could replicate them? Name some appearances that even begin to defend this. Alan Scott would absolutely rape Terrax on his own.
Seems in line with Gany's level, and Terrax's appearance against Gamora.
Then Terrax should have completely stopped fighting her. His body was still fighting her and he had no control. And considering how absolutely terrible Terrax fights, she basically beat Terrax.
Terrax got like two shotted by Thor. When Surfer is serious he completely wrecks Terrax. He only does decent against Morg because it becomes an axe fight at that point in time. The Sentry "fight" was hilarious.
Too bad Terrax's axe almost never does hit anyone. He's whacked Nova, didn't cause any damage. He hit Morg in the neck and only managed to destroy the mind control device. And I'm pretty sure that wasn't 616 Terrax or 616 Surfer. But funny how you want to rule off high feats from Black Adam, yet you're more than prepared to bring up a high feat in him doing superficial damage against Tyrant.
But anyway I just showed you Black Adam ramming through Spectre. If that connects with Terrax, he's done.
Fact is Terrax was mindcontrolled and fighting it's influence vs Gamora.
When did Thor two shot Terrax?
Surfer is a high herald, Terrax is a mid herald. It's not hard to see why he would wreck Terrax. It should also be noted when they did fight, Terrax was at a disadvantage (he was recently rezzed, his body wasn't his own and he was in the middle of fighting the NW and the FF equipped with anti-Terrax weapons by Reed).
And what of BA ramming through Spectre? It did nothing. Terrax could have done the same. I mean Batman has affected him with a kick.
Branlor Swift
Originally posted by zopzop
Fact is Terrax was mindcontrolled and fighting it's influence vs Gamora.
When did Thor two shot Terrax?
Surfer is a high herald, Terrax is a mid herald. It's not hard to see why he would wreck Terrax. It should also be noted when they did fight, Terrax was at a disadvantage (he was recently rezzed, his body wasn't his own and he was in the middle of fighting the NW and the FF equipped with anti-Terrax weapons by Reed).
And what of BA ramming through Spectre? It did nothing. Terrax could have done the same. I mean Batman has affected him with a kick. You going to start naming feats that suggest Terrax can win or what?
Then his durability should have gotten him almost knocked out.
In a comic.
Terrax also got knocked out by Dazzler when she was being shielded by Galactus. Didn't he get beaten by Seekers too in Annihilation?
His body stayed that way until now though, so that's irrelevant. And the weapons didn't work. He got terrified when he seen Surfer. There's also the part where Surfer initially killed him.
No he couldn't. The only people off the top of my mind who have damaged Spectre like that are King of Tears, Shazam and Black Adam. Cut that shit out where you keep making baseless claims backed by nothing.
Also, I could probably show Batman having better feats than Terrax so I'd tread carefully.
zopzop
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
You going to start naming feats that suggest Terrax can win or what?
Then his durability should have gotten him almost knocked out.
In a comic.
Terrax also got knocked out by Dazzler when she was being shielded by Galactus. Didn't he get beaten by Seekers too in Annihilation?
His body stayed that way until now though, so that's irrelevant. And the weapons didn't work. He got terrified when he seen Surfer. There's also the part where Surfer initially killed him.
No he couldn't. The only people off the top of my mind who have damaged Spectre like that are King of Tears, Shazam and Black Adam. Cut that shit out where you keep making baseless claims backed by nothing.
Also, I could probably show Batman having better feats than Terrax so I'd tread carefully.
Whatever dude. Batman's kicked "affected" the Spectre like BA's assault did, ie not at all.
And Dazzler has some damn good highs. That was one of them. The other was absorbing BB's scream.
And show me BA or Batman busting a planet with one blow or lifting something the size of Manhattan Island and hurtling it into orbit.
abhilegend
Originally posted by zopzop
Terrax would destroy Jonn. He'd take the majority vs Alan too. Terrax is easily as strong as Adam and his power output sh|ts all over anything BA has done on panel. Hahaha, what? You have me laughing my guts out here bro.
So everything is a low showing when Adam does it?
Or adam is just that powerful.
Imaginary scenarios FTW.
Branlor Swift
Originally posted by zopzop
Whatever dude. Batman's kicked "affected" the Spectre like BA's assault did, ie not at all.
And Dazzler has some damn good highs. That was one of them. The other was absorbing BB's scream.
And show me BA or Batman busting a planet with one blow or lifting something the size of Manhattan Island and hurtling it into orbit. Which is odd considering you just used Terrax superficially damaging Tyrant which did absolutely nothing to Tyrant...
Fact is BA tore apart Spectre's head. Batman moved Spectre's head a little when Spectre was mocking him. Fact is only two other people have damaged Spectre in that way.
Black Bolt's voice was used as pure sound in that issue. Which she controls. She didn't have BB's voice against Terrax.
Inanimate objects? Well, in that case of fights, I could probably show you Batman beating someone higher than Terrax has ever beat though.
And Black Adam beating a Skyfather level character so...
Blue Area Vet
Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
By supermans own words
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/110647/2895773-2270654_tumblr_l0ke3zwfsn1qzbuoao1_500.jpg
Black Adam stronger than Martian Manhunter and Wonder woman. unless you can see then physically restraining superman like this ^^
Lol at restraining.
Blue Area Vet
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Terrax is an anti hero sometimes. Black Adam is an anti hero sometimes.
And he's killed probably more people on panel than Terrax has appearances. He's much more of a villain than Terrax, and most of his good feats involve him fighting heroes.
But yes, all of Black Adam's good feats are PIS. Just like all of Terrax's good feats are PIS. Right?
Sorry, I must have missed the WWIII Terrax story in Marvel. ;-)
Come on man! You simply can't compare the two in terms of exposure/popularity. Something tells me we won't see BA resurrected and killed again by maggots.
abhilegend
Yeah, Cap and Adam are peers of superman. Its one of the oldest rivalries in the comics after all. Does superman has showings where he looks stronger than them? Of course he does, its his schtick but he isn't so much above them that they would lose to ****ing terrax.
cdtm
Originally posted by Bentley
People are kind of lowballing Terrax -he's one of the few underrated jobbers in the forums-, but I fully understand when people say he's crushed. He has some sad showings Under his belt.
When I was reading through the old Rom: Space Knight series, I felt kind of bad for him when he didn't even get defeated by Rom, but by two no account Space Knights with one trick to their name. (One guy had a javelin, the other guy had a giant fist)
IMO, he's never looked better then his fight with Morg.. Even though he lost, he just looked so credible against him, that you could believe he only lost by a hair.
abhilegend
Haha, really? Post the scans for that bro.
zopzop
Originally posted by abhilegend
Haha, really? Post the scans for that bro.
He was fighting an entire group of Space Knights before the last three finished the job :
http://www.supermegamonkey.net/chronocomic/entries/rom_26-27.shtml
Also regarding the Dazzler loss, she was amped by Galactus AND Terrax was weakened because most of his power was spent keeping himself alive in a super massive black hole for weeks/months:
http://www.supermegamonkey.net/chronocomic/entries/dazzler_8-11.shtml
Blue Area Vet
Originally posted by zopzop
He was fighting an entire group of Space Knights before the last three finished the job :
http://www.supermegamonkey.net/chronocomic/entries/rom_26-27.shtml
Also regarding the Dazzler loss, she was amped by Galactus AND Terrax was weakened because most of his power was spent keeping himself alive in a super massive black hole for weeks/months:
http://www.supermegamonkey.net/chronocomic/entries/dazzler_8-11.shtml
I fail to see where he looked so bad. Terrax would cleave BAs ears before Namor's lawsuit against him is concluded. The BA jockage continues to amaze me.
Bouboumaster
Classic Black Adam would beat the ever loving shit out of Terrax, and that's not even close.
Terrax is a clown, the Rhino of the heralds of Galactus.
operator616
Originally posted by zopzop
Batman's kicked "affected" the Spectre like BA's assault did, ie not at all.
Im assuming you're referring to this scene:
http://i.imgur.com/meAg4Ue.jpg
the next page reveals to us that batman achieved this only because the Spectre let him do it (to make him feel better):
http://i.imgur.com/CakLTbb.jpg?1
Originally posted by zopzop
Eclipso is an aspect of God and opposite of the Spectre, if beating It is as simple as snapping It's neck, we got problems.
Eclipso's role is the same as the Spectre's, being God's wrath, Spectre was Eclipso's replacement not opposite. And Eclipso, for the most of his appearances is not even remotely operating at full power level, because it got shattered a long time ago.
Don't really care about the Terrax/BA battle, just wanted to clarify this.
zopzop
Originally posted by operator616
Im assuming you're referring to this scene:
http://i.imgur.com/meAg4Ue.jpg
the next page reveals to us that batman achieved this only because the Spectre let him do it (to make him feel better):
http://i.imgur.com/CakLTbb.jpg?1
OMFG really?! I never saw those scans.
In case you haven't noticed that's sarcasm. The point of bringing up the Batkick was because cosmetic damage means nothing to Spectre, hence why the Black Adam "feat" of damaging his body is meaningless. I mean freaking Batman caused Spectre to groan in pain and he drew blood. But as we all know it was completely meaningless.
KuRuPT Thanosi
Guys.. BA hasn't fallen that much that he's now on jobber Terrax level... BA wins 10/10
Colossus-Big C
this is a shit stomp imo, ****ing terrax...
Sin I AM
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Guys.. BA hasn't fallen that much that he's now on jobber Terrax level... BA wins 10/10
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LordofBrooklyn
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
I fail to see where he looked so bad. Terrax would cleave BAs ears before Namor's lawsuit against him is concluded. The BA jockage continues to amaze me.
What percentage of the fights does Terrax win?
Digi
How the hell did this make four pages before being pushed off the front page?
OP said Classic Adam. As such, he wins 10/10. No idea how anyone thinks anything else.
janus77
Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
What percentage of the fights does Terrax win?
He's won 100% of all the fights he's not lost.
zopzop
Originally posted by Digi
How the hell did this make four pages before being pushed off the front page?
OP said Classic Adam. As such, he wins 10/10. No idea how anyone thinks anything else.
WTF does "CLassic Adam" mean? Pre Crisis Adam? Then, yeah he stomps.
Post Crisis would be a good fight that goes either way. I'd go with Terrax though.
DCNu would get slaughtered by Terrax.
Bentley
Originally posted by janus77
He's won 100% of all the fights he's not lost.
Not counting stalemates and no shows though.
Firefly218
BA wins in a hard fight
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