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Doomwar T'Challa is magic protected and was demolishing Doombots with his fists. Namor would be to redirect magical lighting. Can the two old war horses get it done?

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Doomwar T'Challa is magic protected and was demolishing Doombots with his fists. Namor would be to redirect magical lighting. Can the two old war horses get it done?

Bump.

Come guys, this is a decent match up.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Bump.

Come guys, this is a decent match up.

This is a stomp and this is coming from a huge Black Panther fan.

Originally posted by Stranglehold300
This is a stomp and this is coming from a huge Black Panther fan.

Why?

Because Cap is a different beast altogether.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Because Cap is a different beast altogether.

Really? It's two on one. Namor alone would give Batson a good fight. Cap is not written with a factor like Superman and he is not vicious like Black Adam. Finally, magical lighting will be a nonfactor.

Originally posted by Stranglehold300
This is a stomp and this is coming from a huge Black Panther fan.

A real black panther fan would respond to more of the fights he's involved in on this board.

@Blue Area Vet

Black Panther and Namor are obviously both physically outclassed by Cap by a huge mile and also the magic Panther received in Doom war is a joke compared to what Cap has.

@Vanguard

I'm not Superman and I havent been on this site in a while. I just started really posting on this site.

Originally posted by Stranglehold300
@Blue Area Vet

Black Panther and Namor are obviously both physically outclassed by Cap by a huge mile and also the magic Panther received in Doom war is a joke compared to what Cap has.

@Vanguard

I'm not Superman and I havent been on this site in a while. I just started really posting on this site.

Sorry bro. I forgot. I have seen you respond to a bunch of his fights. My mistake.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Namor would be to redirect magical lighting. What

Originally posted by Stranglehold300
@Blue Area Vet

Black Panther and Namor are obviously both physically outclassed by Cap by a huge mile and also the magic Panther received in Doom war is a joke compared to what Cap has.

@Vanguard

I'm not Superman and I havent been on this site in a while. I just started really posting on this site.

A joke? Okay, did it somehow miss you that the protection was for Doom's magical attacks?? The protection was no joke.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
What

How many times has this been covered? Do a search, scroll back, find a respect thread, but I'm not explaining it again. Care to weigh in on the fight?

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
A joke? Okay, did it somehow miss you that the protection was for Doom's magical attacks?? The protection was no joke.
Doctor Doom isn't Captian Marvel. CM magical attacks are more devastating since they are lighting. How is Black Panther going to take a magical lighting which usually hurts people on Supes level(obviously hurts supes since he is vulnerable to magic)?

I know Namor has some feats of him redirecting electricity ala some underwater fishes/eels, but magical lightning like a Shazam bolt? That seems...impossible.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Really? It's two on one. Namor alone would give Batson a good fight. Cap is not written with a factor like Superman and he is not vicious like Black Adam. Finally, magical lighting will be a nonfactor.
Cap would beat namor like a red headed step child. T'challa would fare no better either.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
How many times has this been covered? Do a search, scroll back, find a respect thread, but I'm not explaining it again. Care to weigh in on the fight?
I know he has, but it's not infallible.

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/doom/SVTU3-03.jpg
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/comic/doom/SVTU3-04.jpg.html
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/comic/doom/SVTU3-05.jpg.html
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/comic/doom/SVTU3-06.jpg.html

Naturally Namor would casually tank this:
http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/galanphotos/shazam1.jpg
http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/galanphotos/shazam2.jpg
http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/galanphotos/shazam3.jpg


Even without that, Billy would just beat the shit out of both of them

Originally posted by Stranglehold300
Doctor Doom isn't Captian Marvel. CM magical attacks are more devastating since they are lighting. How is Black Panther going to take a magical lighting which usually hurts people on Supes level(obviously hurts supes since he is vulnerable to magic)?

Um, because he is protected against magic, unlike Superman ? What are you missing?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Cap would beat namor like a red headed step child. T'challa would fare no better either.

You make the same bias dc booklickin comments in any post involving your blow up doll and his boring clones.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I know Namor has some feats of him redirecting electricity ala some underwater fishes/eels, but magical lightning like a Shazam bolt? That seems...impossible.

Yeah, he's done a LOT more than that.

http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/namorA.jpg

That's two repulsor blasts and a Uni-Beam from a few feat away.

This thread might be a stomp but it's pure comedy gold.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Yeah, he's done a LOT more than that.

http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/namorA.jpg

That's two repulsor blasts and a Uni-Beam from a few feat away.

...

Yeah, a Shazam bolt from the likes of Captain Marvel utterly blows a repulsor ray and unibeam from Iron Man out of the water in terms of power. Completely. The Power of Shazam is arguably one of the single most powerful spells in the DCU. In fact, it was so powerful, Alexander Luthor specifically needed Black Adam as a catalyst in order to power his machine to revive the Multiverse.

Maybe if Namor had done something like redirect a lightning bolt from Thor or something, I could see where you're coming from.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
You make the same bias dc booklickin comments in any post involving your blow up doll and his boring clones.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
...

Yeah, a Shazam bolt from the likes of Captain Marvel utterly blows a repulsor ray and unibeam from Iron Man out of the water in terms of power. Completely. The Power of Shazam is arguably one of the single most powerful spells in the DCU. In fact, it was so powerful, Alexander Luthor specifically needed Black Adam as a catalyst in order to power his machine to revive the Multiverse.

Maybe if Namor had done something like redirect a lightning bolt from Thor or something, I could see where you're coming from.
Not to mention that's a far weaker version of Iron Man armor and even then Namor lost to Tony. But, yeah absorbing a repulsor blast is totes comparable to a shazam bolt. We're all totally DC biased.

He didn't really absorb it, either. Just pushed through it.

Lol. Well, first of all I was responding to the question that Namor only reflected energy from fish. I don't know how much more powerful a blast from Captain Marvel is or not, however I am certain that a Unibeam and two repulsor blasts are millions or billions of times more powerful than a shock fron an eel or stingray. Exactly how a magical lightning attack compares is anyone's guess. I am unaware of any limitation of Namors reflecting powers. Here he is reflecting a blast that fell the Hulk:

http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/9879/namorfeat241uq.gif

It's definitely part of his base powerset and he does so rather effortlessly. Any thought that he could not pull this off against Captain Marvel is PURE speculation and nothing more.

Marvel wins this.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
He didn't really absorb it, either. Just pushed through it.

He redirects it and that's what I said from the beginning....because that's what he is stated and shown to do. Any contention that Captain Marvel's blast woul be too powerful for Namor to deflect is speculation/ wishful thinking. Namor also redirected a blast that hurt a herald of Galactus. Are we going to lowball that in order to stay on script, or does the evidence tell us it's quite possible he would manage to redict the attack?

Love Namor and I like BP as well but Captain Marvel wins this every time. Namor would give him a fight though.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Any contention that Captain Marvel's blast woul be too powerful for Namor to deflect is speculation/ wishful thinking.

As is the speculation that he can absorb magical lightning on the scale of Billy's.

Whilst I don't want to derail the current argument on whether Namor can or cannot absorb magical lightning on that scale, how about Captain Marvel realises that Namor dehydrates, and sends him to the Sun?

IOW, if we are using the argument that 'it has been shown before, and is part of his powerset'....

Captain Marvel uses the Wisdom of Solomon to formulate a strategy based on their weaknesses. Yeah, that's right, he's a magic Karnak:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/1/18519/678798-wisdom.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/1/18519/680825-jla_jsa_087.jpg

I never realized how awkward that panel was where Superman, Wonder Woman, and Billy are looking at Despero/Luthor.
They are clearly meant to be standing on flat ground, yet it looks like they're hovering above a slant. And Wonder Woman is crouching while hovering...

I just can't stop looking at Luthor's butt.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
IOW, if we are using the argument that 'it has been shown before, and is part of his powerset'....

Captain Marvel uses the Wisdom of Solomon to formulate a strategy based on their weaknesses. Yeah, that's right, he's a magic Karnak:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/1/18519/678798-wisdom.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/1/18519/680825-jla_jsa_087.jpg

yeah, well the problem with that as I see it is that he almost never uses the wisdom of Solomon. In fact, there are many who argue on this board that Captain Marvel is nothing but a teenager mentally which is in direct opposition of him having a great wisdom. On the other hand, Namor has used his ability to redirect energy blasts much more then Captain Marvel has shown the wisdom of Solomon.furthermore, if Captain Marvel used the wisdom of Solomon regularly, he'd son Superman every single time.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
yeah, well the problem with that as I see it is that he almost never uses the wisdom of Solomon. In fact, there are many who argue on this board that Captain Marvel is nothing but a teenager mentally which is in direct opposition of him having a great wisdom. On the other hand, Namor has used his ability to redirect energy blasts much more then Captain Marvel has shown the wisdom of Solomon.furthermore, if Captain Marvel used the wisdom of Solomon regularly, he'd son Superman every single time.

But he does use it... a lot. And he never has a serious fight with Superman either. The times he does is when Superman is Eclipso'd, and he's still holding back. And those fights do anything but prove Billy would lose to Namor/BP.
Unless you really want me to post the last fight he had with Eclipso Superman and see how well that fits into your argument...

Also, where exactly has Namor redirected blasts more than Billy has shown?

I'll repost this, but here's Freddy's lightning depowering 10 thousand Kryptonians. Namor has feats dealing with magic this powerful naturally.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
I know he has, but it's not infallible.

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/doom/SVTU3-03.jpg
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/comic/doom/SVTU3-04.jpg.html
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/comic/doom/SVTU3-05.jpg.html
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/comic/doom/SVTU3-06.jpg.html

Naturally Namor would casually tank this:
http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/galanphotos/shazam1.jpg
http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/galanphotos/shazam2.jpg
http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/galanphotos/shazam3.jpg


Even without that, Billy would just beat the shit out of both of them

i should know better than to look in on this thread. cm kills them, obviously, and he doesn't need lightning or superspeed to do so, though either one makes it easier. only someone with an agenda against dc would really argue so stringently against the arguments made already, and refuse to recognize their validity, and instead insist that cm's lightning can be controlled or redirected when namor has done NOTHING, EVER, in his entire HISTORY, to suggest he could influence an attack of that nature.

the hell is happening in threads around here lately? i feel dumber just for reading some of the shite i've seen posted the last few days....

Originally posted by leonidas
i should know better than to look in on this thread. cm kills them, obviously, and he doesn't need lightning or superspeed to do so, though either one makes it easier. only someone with an agenda against dc would really argue so stringently against the arguments made already, and refuse to recognize their validity, and instead insist that cm's lightning can be controlled or redirected when namor has done NOTHING, EVER, in his entire HISTORY, to suggest he could influence an attack of that nature.

the hell is happening in threads around here lately? i feel dumber just for reading some of the shite i've seen posted the last few days....

This makes you a dirty DC lover.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Ihttp://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/1/18519/678798-wisdom.jpg

Superman looks so gay here.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Superman looks so gay.

Fixed.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
This makes you a dirty DC lover.

Cap wins.

Originally posted by leonidas
i should know better than to look in on this thread. cm kills them, obviously, and he doesn't need lightning or superspeed to do so, though either one makes it easier. only someone with an agenda against dc would really argue so stringently against the arguments made already, and refuse to recognize their validity, and instead insist that cm's lightning can be controlled or redirected when namor has done NOTHING, EVER, in his entire HISTORY, to suggest he could influence an attack of that nature.

the hell is happening in threads around here lately? i feel dumber just for reading some of the shite i've seen posted the last few days....

So you showed up to *****, whine and cry? How DUMB is that? Yeah, you should have left the thread alone because it's obvious YOU have an agenda.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
This makes you a dirty DC lover.

No it doesn't, but he definitely is. A filthy one at that.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
No it doesn't, but he definitely is. A filthy one at that. He's comfortable derailing my threads but too chicken to start a thread of his own with his stupid ass avatar.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
But he does use it... a lot. And he never has a serious fight with Superman either. The times he does is when Superman is Eclipso'd, and he's still holding back. And those fights do anything but prove Billy would lose to Namor/BP.
Unless you really want me to post the last fight he had with Eclipso Superman and see how well that fits into your argument...

Also, where exactly has Namor redirected blasts more than Billy has shown?

I'll repost this, but here's Freddy's lightning depowering 10 thousand Kryptonians. Namor has feats dealing with magic this powerful naturally.

He does? Then how would you explain how in his board losses, a large number of posters claim he loses because he is just a teenager? I am asking because I don't read DC. Seems contradictory.

As far as you this thread, this is the first time I have seen anyone say he uses the wisdom "a lot" and also the first time seeing people pump up the potency of the magical lighting. Ask far as your question about Namor, come on, you know that's not really a fair question. It's not like you can prove exactly how potent the lighting is. Who is to say the blast from the Presence that put down the Hulk of all characters isn't as powerful? Also, I recall Namor redirecting a blast that took down a herald that I will look for. I am surprised you are unware of this. Also, is talking down Kryptonians via their weakness supposed to Besides, Namor doesn't have to "tank" the attack to redirect it, ala channel is back toward the opponent. I don't know of a single example of where Namor TRIED to redirect and attack anf FAILED.

be impressive? Finally, hasn't Superman just taking the lighting in the past? I just am unaware of the lighting being portrayed so highly. If it's all that, they wouldn't it be an autowin against Superman? There's the Superfactor again.

Originally posted by abhilegend


I see you probing around like some sort of parasitic worm. What is it that you want to say about Superman?

Just laughing at your tantrums. Sometimes a DC character wins too, accept it and move on. Why would Cap use shazam lightning anyway?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Just laughing at your tantrums. Sometimes a DC character wins too, accept it and move on. Why would Cap use shazam lightning anyway?

Oh, okay. How thoughtful of you to post a smilie and nothing else. You see my c-o-n-v-e-r-s-a-t-i-o-n with Swift? I was willing to do that because he isn't being a pretentious dickweed.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
He does? Then how would you explain how in his board losses, a large number of posters claim he loses because he is just a teenager? I am asking because I don't read DC. Seems contradictory.

This might be your problem here. Not reading DC, I mean.

Anyways, who are these posters?



I brought the wisdom up, because you brought up the argument that 'Namor has done it before, and it is part of his powerset'. It's definitely part of Marvel's powerset (the 'S' in Shazam, after all), and he has definitely used it before. So using your own argument, I showed that he would also use this ability here. Whether he's done it 10, 100, 1000 times, doesn't matter - 'because that's what he is stated and shown to do' (your words).


When Alex Luthor was recreating the multiple Earths of the Multiverse, he used a member of the Marvel Family, specifically for their lightning. Leonidas showed how, when powering Zatanna's spell (as a source of energy), it can depower 10,000 Kryps. What feats does the Presence have? Also, taking down a herald isn't all that - Spiderman has done the same, after all.




Only Billy can take the lightning. Anyone else, tears them up inside:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/3198858- constantine+005+%282013%29+%28digital%29+%28darkne
ss-empire%29+016.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/3198859- constantine+005+%282013%29+%28digital%29+%28darkne
ss-empire%29+017.jpg

As I was looking around, I also was reminded that the lightning is capable of transmuting people into stone. It's not mere electricity.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/3355541-jlablack2.jpg

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Oh, okay. How thoughtful of you to post a smilie and nothing else. You see my c-o-n-v-e-r-s-a-t-i-o-n with Swift? I was willing to do that because he isn't being a pretentious dickweed.
I see Bran tearing you apart, yeah. So?

In any case, ABC logic here (bear with me a sec).

Captain Marvel's lightning is from Zeus (the power of Zeus!). It is not mere lightning, it is magical and comes from Zeus.

Has Namor ever gone up against Zeus in Marvel before? Why, yes:

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b366/x-issue/Battles/5031954f8.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/105334/2412242-avengers285_10.jpg

Note Namor lying on the floor after being hit by a blast from Zeus.

Doesn't look too good for Namor's energy abilities..

Let me see : two Metas vs one Mid Herald?

Yeah, CM wins.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
He does? Then how would you explain how in his board losses, a large number of posters claim he loses because he is just a teenager? I am asking because I don't read DC. Seems contradictory.

As far as you this thread, this is the first time I have seen anyone say he uses the wisdom "a lot" and also the first time seeing people pump up the potency of the magical lighting. Ask far as your question about Namor, come on, you know that's not really a fair question. It's not like you can prove exactly how potent the lighting is. Who is to say the blast from the Presence that put down the Hulk of all characters isn't as powerful? Also, I recall Namor redirecting a blast that took down a herald that I will look for. I am surprised you are unware of this. Also, is talking down Kryptonians via their weakness supposed to Besides, Namor doesn't have to "tank" the attack to redirect it, ala channel is back toward the opponent. I don't know of a single example of where Namor TRIED to redirect and attack anf FAILED.

be impressive? Finally, hasn't Superman just taking the lighting in the past? I just am unaware of the lighting being portrayed so highly. If it's all that, they wouldn't it be an autowin against Superman? There's the Superfactor again. DS answered this nicely

However, I'll add that just because it hurt Superman, and didn't take him out, that doesn't mean Namor can say the same. In the case of Eclipso Superman it severely stunned him and momentarily had Eclipso lose his grip to a point where Superman was begging Billy to kill him.

But there's a couple things to note from that story.
Which is either the magic was only weakening Superman in the sense that it was weakening Eclipso's grip.
Or that Superman's magic resistances was crazy high seeing as he later took bolts from Shazam himself.
Or that Eclipso's drive was so high that he was able to fight through the magic.

Either way, he wasn't dealing with your average Superman, and he still left him pretty stunned. I'm pretty sure Namor wouldn't be taking attacks from Shazam himself very well at all.

If Billy chooses to use lightning. Which I don't think he needs.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
This might be your problem here. Not reading DC, I mean.

Anyways, who are these posters?

any pretense at "conversation" should have ended with this revelation. if you don't read the material, sit back and listen to people who DO. don't insult and disregard arguments when you have no idea what you're even talking about. your patience, ds, is commendable.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
DS answered this nicely

However, I'll add that just because it hurt Superman, and didn't take him out, that doesn't mean Namor can say the same. In the case of Eclipso Superman it severely stunned him and momentarily had Eclipso lose his grip to a point where Superman was begging Billy to kill him.

But there's a couple things to note from that story.
Which is either the magic was only weakening Superman in the sense that it was weakening Eclipso's grip.
Or that Superman's magic resistances was crazy high seeing as he later took bolts from Shazam himself.
Or that Eclipso's drive was so high that he was able to fight through the magic.

Either way, he wasn't dealing with your average Superman, and he still left him pretty stunned. I'm pretty sure Namor wouldn't be taking attacks from Shazam himself very well at all.

If Billy chooses to use lightning. Which I don't think he needs.

This comparison to Superman is nonsensical. Superman has no choice but to take the hot because deflecting energy attacks is not part of his base power set. You tell me why Namor would not be able to redict it based on comics.

He was knocked out by Zeus. I posted the scans.