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If Superman's combat speed is 100, rate these characters' combat speed.

1. Wonder Woman
2. Black Adam
3. Gladiator
4. Silver Surfer
5. Thor

Preboot DC versions of characters. Go.

1.110
2.90
3.101
4/5.Over 9000.

110 (Usain Bolt/Bruce Lee scan )

80

90

0

1

I have no idea. Its hard to really judge something like that with all of the fluctuations in comics.

110
90
100
Not really sure
80

Originally posted by Q99
110
90
100
Not really sure
80

This. I would put Thor around 50 tbh.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
110 (Usain Bolt/Bruce Lee scan )

80

90

0

1 Originally posted by Q99
110
90
100
Not really sure
80
How is wonder woman faster than Superman based on a writer's views who openly admitted that he nerfed Superman? Look who is getting blitzed and pimp smacked here.

http://i.imgur.com/RCjbjGN.jpg

Also a huge lulz @ Thor having 80% of combat speed as Superman and Gladiator being equal to him.

1)110
2)130
3)150
4)190
5)170

Originally posted by abhilegend
If Superman's combat speed is 100, rate these characters' combat speed.

1. Wonder Woman
2. Black Adam
3. Gladiator
4. Silver Surfer
5. Thor

Preboot DC versions of characters. Go.

1) 90
2) 75-80
3) 50-80 (he fluctuates A LOT)
4) No clue
5) 50 (and I'm being generous)

Originally posted by abhilegend
How is wonder woman faster than Superman based on a writer's views who openly admitted that he nerfed Superman? Look who is getting blitzed and pimp smacked here.

http://i.imgur.com/RCjbjGN.jpg

Also a huge lulz @ Thor having 80% of combat speed as Superman and Gladiator being equal to him.

You're hate for WW is bad.

Let's look at Sacrifice. Superman was in kill you mindset, using all of his powers to kill Diana believing she was DD, yet Diana's mindset was to stop Clark. Guess what? she did stop him every time he attacked her, even after he gained an unknown amount of boost from the sun.

Originally posted by abhilegend
How is wonder woman faster than Superman based on a writer's views who openly admitted that he nerfed Superman?


One, I don't think stuff you make up counts.


Two, multiple writers have written her doing better in HtH anyway. McDuffie, Rucka, Mouller... and Rucka's in the cornerstone of a major event and thus approved by top editorial. DC's highest level of approvals disagrees with you.







Ah, classic Abh "ignoring half the fight."


That's from For Tomorrow, where Superman is trying to get past Wonder Woman and fails, until another disaster shows up to draw her away. Superman, trying to simply get past Wondy, is unable to until she lets him go.

Originally posted by SquallX
You're hate for WW is bad.

Let's look at Sacrifice. Superman was in kill you mindset, using all of his powers to kill Diana believing she was DD, yet Diana's mindset was to stop Clark. Guess what? she did stop him every time he attacked her, even after he gained an unknown amount of boost from the sun.

She blitzed him as well. Did some DBZ type attack. He freeze her, grabs a rock, turns around and she was gone. He couldnt trace her until she blitzed him from behind.

This thread will be closed soon.

Originally posted by carver9
She blitzed him as well. Did some DBZ type attack. He freeze her, grabs a rock, turns around and she was gone. He couldnt trace her until she blitzed him from behind.

Yes, they're both capable of getting the drop on each other with speed.

But that's in the half of the fight Abh likes to pretend doesn't happen.

Originally posted by Q99
Yes, they're both capable of getting the drop on each other with speed.

But that's in the half of the fight Abh likes to pretend doesn't happen.

I think Superman has faster flight speed whereas Diana has faster movement speed. It just doesn't get any better than her when it comes to that imo.

Originally posted by Q99
One, I don't think stuff you make up counts. Its not made up. Mcduffie actually admitted that in an interview.


Wut? Superman fighting a larger opponent and missing everything is a case of her being better in h2h? Look who is faster according to the head of current DC.

http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/11897291_13.jpg http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/11897292_14.jpg http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/11897293_15.jpg

He's faster than her flying on foot.


Hahaha, you're one to point fingers.


You mean where he was unwilling to fight her and was manhandling her like a kid? Where did he try to find a way around her anyway?

Where did Robinson openly admit to nerfing Superman?

As an aside, I don't think his Bruce Lee/Usain Bolt idea really spread to the majority of writers--or even close.

Originally posted by SquallX
You're hate for WW is bad.

Let's look at Sacrifice. Superman was in kill you mindset, using all of his powers to kill Diana believing she was DD, yet Diana's mindset was to stop Clark. Guess what? she did stop him every time he attacked her, even after he gained an unknown amount of boost from the sun.
Sacrifice? Where he is seeing a larger opponent, took her effortlessly to the sun after blitzing her and then after being exposed to kryptonite oneshotted her? Great example there.

Originally posted by Pillow Biter
Where did Robinson openly admit to nerfing Superman?

As an aside, I don't think his Bruce Lee/Usain Bolt idea really spread to the majority of writers--or even close.
Mcduffie did.



http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=30914

Right, right *pats your head condescendingly*.


Now, putting aside stuff you made up, there's still all the other sources. We are talking like half-a-dozen writers here.




Except he never once looked 'above' her where DD's head level would be, he always reacted to and looked at where she actually is, has grabbed her arm (not the five-times-as-think DD one), her neck, dodges her lasso... which by your logic he shouldn't even see... and so on. The actions of the comic blatantly contradict your interpretation, he thought of her as DD but *fought* her at her own size.

Which you know, you just like to ignore 'cause it hurts your feelings.



Hey, you know that *every* source says he's faster in run speed/flight speed? It's just hand-speed/combat speed where Wondy's faster?




I am, actually Keep in mind I acknowledge everything Superman does to Wondy, it's just unlike you I also include what she does back.

The opposite would be if someone said that WW was overwhelming Superman by ignoring the parts of the fight where Superman is doing well, and said it was one-sided in that direction. It's including every feat by both sides that's the whole picture.




Where they punched back and forth through the mountains and getting past her to *save Lois* is his entire purpose of being there?

See, this is what I'm talking about. They hit each other back and forth in that one, and you ignore everything she does.

Do you really think ignoring every time she hits him is convincing? You're like a little kid, refusing to admit anything he doesn't like.


You're arguing that a fight where Superman failed his objective until a distraction came along was a total Superman win where he, like, totally controlled the fight and manhandled her! What, those times she hit him and knocked him away from the objective? We should just totally ignore those! Yea, that's the ticket! Didn't happen! Everything happened as you said and not what those lying, deceitful pages of the comic that show her fighting back just fine say! All hail high canon Abhilegend, higher canon than the comics because he says so! Only *some* pages of a fight count on his word alone!

So which writers have subscribed to the Diana = Bruce Lee; Superman = Bolt idea? Just McDufie and Robinson?

Originally posted by Q99
Right, right *pats your head condescendingly*.


Now, putting aside stuff you made up, there's still all the other sources. We are talking like half-a-dozen writers here. You can't read either? No surprise here.






You didn't answer the last time and before that and before that either.



Why is he HVing clouds? There you disappear again.

Hahaha.



Every source? How about Kurt Busiek?

http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i436/KMCPhilosophia/supeswwreactiontime.jpg

Look whose reflex speed Batman and Wonder Woman use when their powers have merged I acknowledged what she does too, I just don't like the version of WW fangirls.

Which is completely contradicted by what is there on panel where she barely manages to slow him down while he is busy breaking her bones like twigs. What is there in the whole picture Q?




She punched him and he caught her punch, manhandling her. He knew the fortress was about to self destruct, so he sent her away. He wasn't even trying to fight her and hence stunts like throwing blood at her.

He didn't even hit her untill she was next to his machine.

She hit him just like everyone else does when he doesn't uses superspeed. When he actually used speed, he effortlessly caught her strike.

http://i.imgur.com/VHfTPAK.jpg

And you're like a kid yelling at how nobody sees the way he does. Quite amusing.


Superman didn't have an objective, wonder woman did where she prepped and what not. He was just being a dick. Sure, he was just wasting time. So did Wonder Woman fulfill her objective here where he is effortlessly handling her like a child?

http://i.imgur.com/Hpixz0o.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/AXhtHGX.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/91lij92.jpg

Is hitting him her only objective? Does he even try to get away from her like you are trying to claim? Nope, he actually takes her away from the machine which is the only objective he had in the comic. Wonder Woman failed horrendously in her task where she said she would kill him if necessary to stop from using that machine.



Throwing tantrums wouldn't make the comic any more WW favored. What does hitting him away actually means in terms of h2h? He doesn't uses speed to dodge attacks, he can actually take attacks on his chin unlike her.

Originally posted by Pillow Biter
So which writers have subscribed to the Diana = Bruce Lee; Superman = Bolt idea? Just McDufie and Robinson?
Robinson never did. Only Mcduffie.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Sacrifice? Where he is seeing a larger opponent, took her effortlessly to the sun after blitzing her and then after being exposed to kryptonite oneshotted her? Great example there.

Are you kidding me!

Just because he was seeing a bigger oponents doesn't automatically make Diana weighting that weight.

I guess you forget when Kal lost sight of Diana. Even with his superrior hearing, he couldn't even hear her breath nor her heart beat.

Again, it's okay for Superman to fly to the sun to get a boost in power, but it's wrong for Diana to use the Kryptonite?

I thought Robinson wrote the fight where Diana is facing Amazo and says he's as fast as she is.

Originally posted by SquallX
Are you kidding me!

Just because he was seeing a bigger oponents doesn't automatically make Diana weighting that weight.

I guess you forget when Kal lost sight of Diana. Even with his superrior hearing, he couldn't even hear her breath nor her heart beat.

Again, it's okay for Superman to fly to the sun to get a boost in power, but it's wrong for Diana to use the Kryptonite?
You are kidding me.

Just compare these two and tell me with straight face that what superman is seeing is actually what there is.

http://i.imgur.com/XF98pSN.jpg

vs

http://i.imgur.com/mt8TX0b.jpg

According to Superman Doomsday cut his throat from nearly 10 feet away.

Yeah, that's an actual proof of how shitty Rucka's writing is. Superman knows Doomsday has no heart and heartbeat and she was standing right behind him, she didn't disappear anywhere.

Superman wasn't amped anywhere in the comic.Originally posted by Pillow Biter
I thought Robinson wrote the fight where Diana is facing Amazo and says he's as fast as she is.
No, macduffie wrote that.

Originally posted by Pillow Biter
So which writers have subscribed to the Diana = Bruce Lee; Superman = Bolt idea? Just McDufie and Robinson?

They're the ones who outright said it.

Greg Rucka said Superman has the advantage in the air, Diana in the ground, which I'd say is the same general belief.

We've also got quite a few other writers portraying them as about equal: John Byrne, Christopher Mueller, Brian Azzarello, Phil Jimenez, Kurt Busiek... it's a pretty good list. That's part of what makes Abhilegend's argument so bad, *even if* one decided to write it off based on an interview that only he has apparently seen, tons of big names portray them that way.







And *every time he always perceives an attack exactly corrisponding to Diana's*. He can grab her *actual wrist*. He can try and strangle her *actual neck*. He saw an *actual attack* coming at his neck and failed to stop it. He dodges her *actual lasso*.

Your argument- Oh, she was seeing stuff way off and he was punching in the air... which never happens once, none of his attacks are ever miss-aimed, they only fail if they're blocked. This happens with every last attack in the fight. In the real-life version of the fight, his eyes are always on *her*, no exception.

You are just sad. She does something in the comic, and you come up with excuse after excuse why that's not what happened... and none of the excuses actually hold up when one looks at them.

Originally posted by Q99

They're the ones who outright said it. Haha, what? Robinson outright stated that Superman was the most powerful being on earth.

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/th_08-09.jpg
Its quite opposite of what was presented in his writing and general writing. Even Mcduffie said that superman would win against her.

I've ripped this argument apart many times, yet you're like a glutton for punishment. None of those writers have presented them as equals.

That was all Doomsday in his mind. Look who is getting strangled here.

http://i.imgur.com/BAQk6gM.jpg

He is actually bigger than Superman.
He didn't. Doomsday doesn't goes around slitting people's throat. That was because Max was telling him to do so.

Really? Tell me again where her head is?

http://i.imgur.com/amis7hC.jpg

In the clouds?

Hahaha, you are quite amusing. Tell us more about how she stopped Superman from reaching to the machine.

Its quite sad that you actually believe what you post here.

And he is. Captain Marvel, Wondy, and so on are still peers though, he's just a little ahead.

As Superman himself says in the Jeph Loeb Superman run (to add yet-another-writer who thinks they're close), if he falls she's right behind him as defender of the Earth. Not Captain Marvel, or Martian Manhunter, or any of those others. Wonder Woman.




Yeeees, and they still portray her as a very good fight because she's close and they're blatantly peers.


You seem to somehow think 'Superman is stronger' means 'Oh, all those back-and-forth, tough struggles they have with regularity where Wonder Woman fights as a peer? Yea, those're all really one sided, and we should assume all the stuff she does in those doesn't count.'

They regularly say that Wonder Woman is close behind, and regularly show her give good fights, but hey, you're just going to interpret the words how you want even if it's very much not what they either meant or show in their own works, and take it to mean that he's way more powerful... even though they never actually portray it like you say.






Abh, abh, abh.... asserting they aren't equals when they are shown in close fights by all of those isn't 'ripping it apart,' it's stating your opinion.

You can ignore half the content of a dozen fights, but it's still you just ignoring stuff. Wonder Woman hurts Superman in fights they're in. She takes his full-powered hits in return. She won in Sacrifice *when Superman really could see her hits coming and target her properly*. When neither is going all out, the normal tendency is to stalemate with no major injury. This is what the comics show.



You can yell "WHY CAN'T YOU IGNORE WONDER WOMAN'S ATTACKS AND WINS LIKE I DO?" till you're blue in the face, we're still not going to buy it.

Originally posted by abhilegend
How is wonder woman faster than Superman based on a writer's views who openly admitted that he nerfed Superman? Look who is getting blitzed and pimp smacked here.

http://i.imgur.com/RCjbjGN.jpg

Also a huge lulz @ Thor having 80% of combat speed as Superman and Gladiator being equal to him.

I knew it would get to you.

Originally posted by Q99
And he is. Captain Marvel, Wondy, and so on are still peers though, he's just a little ahead. Captain Marvel is a peer, wonder woman isn't..

That's Joe Kelly. He wrote Cap as equal to Superman 7 issues later.

http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Strength/squeezing/ActionComics768b.jpg

Equal in every way. That's what a peer is. She is second fiddle to him. Jeph Loeb wrote him shattering Aegis and killing her with her own lasso.




Nope, he always dominates her like nothing in h2h.


She never fights him like a peer. Peers don't almost kill peers with three strikes. Name one fight where she fights him like a peer where he isn't weakened.

Tell me more about this peerish fight which never happens. Superman can't kill Captain Marvel with three punches.


http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Strength/striking/WonderWomanv2175a.jpg



You've yet to produce a single scan in your favor.

So does every top tier, doesn't mean much. Haha, you're quite amusing with this. She never won anything, it was a draw at best where he KTFO her in one hit.





Tell that to Grant Morrison.

http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Energy/hv/FinalCrisis06a.jpg

http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Energy/hv/FinalCrisis06b.jpg

Oneshotted like nothing.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
I knew it would get to you.
You *****.

Lol at Clark thinking he can beat Barry.

WHAT AN IDIOT!

I'm not seeing Wonder Woman one shotted in those scans.

Originally posted by carver9
I'm not seeing Wonder Woman one shotted in those scans. Did you forget what Bada said the last time you argued that?

Originally posted by Badabing
Just stop. Was she just resting? Was she just playing possum? Did she just find a shiny new penny on the ground there? Her eyes are even closed in the scan, along with her body contorted and on the ground. Unless you can prove otherwise, or provide evidence to the contrary, WW was KOed in that scan.

I'm going to say what I, along with other mods and some members, already know. Some Marvel fans like to play dumb, lowball feats and ignore any feats which go against their arguments. I'm going to make it my business to address these tactics with warnings and bans.

Put up a proof, its a mod ruling now.

Abhi...

What thread did you get that from?

Originally posted by carver9
Abhi...

What thread did you get that from?

Abhi is one of my sock accounts.

I/He got it from the Superman's heat vision vs Black Bolt's scream thread.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Abhi is one of my sock accounts.

I/He got it from the Superman's heat vision vs Black Bolt's scream thread.



Thanks buddy.

The search function sucks. Dark, can you link me to the thread, please.?

Originally posted by abhilegend
How is wonder woman faster than Superman based on a writer's views who openly admitted that he nerfed Superman? Look who is getting blitzed and pimp smacked here.

http://i.imgur.com/RCjbjGN.jpg

Also a huge lulz @ Thor having 80% of combat speed as Superman and Gladiator being equal to him.

Because of the many other stories and scans that state she's faster? There was one where they even had a conversation about it I believe in one of them. Your one isolated incident doesn't override their entire history.

Originally posted by carver9


Thanks buddy.

He's the extremist Eradicator to my Kal-El. Always 'glory of Krypton' this, and 'rule the Terrans' that. Quite bothersome, honestly.

Originally posted by carver9
The search function sucks. Dark, can you link me to the thread, please.?

Consider this your final warning. I will PM Bada about your lazy ways.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=14493225#post14493225

Originally posted by abhilegend
If Superman's combat speed is 100, rate these characters' combat speed.

1. Wonder Woman
2. Black Adam
3. Gladiator
4. Silver Surfer
5. Thor

Preboot DC versions of characters. Go.
PIS off
1. 95
2. 70
3. 95-100
4. 90-100
5. 20

@ Carver

Since the OP specifically states combat speed.

1. Wonder Woman-95(Seen many amazing reaction feats from WW imo)
2. Black Adam-90-(haven't really seen much impressive speed feats from him, but he was able to tag Jay Garrick)
3. Gladiator-120-(Nanosecond speed reactions. Look at his fight with Hyperion)
4. Silver Surfer-85(Even though the fastest on the list. I have not seen much impressive combat feats from SS sadly. Still the fastest on the list and faster than supes)
5. Thor-50(Slowest on the list when it comes to combat speed. Street levelers gave him hard time with their speed)

1. Wonder Woman - 90
2. Black Adam - 90
3. Gladiator - 95
4. Silver Surfer - 70
5. Thor - 60

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Consider this your final warning. I will PM Bada about your lazy ways.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=14493225#post14493225

Thanks buddy. I knew there was a large debate about the topic.

Originally posted by Stranglehold300
Since the OP specifically states combat speed.

1. Wonder Woman-95(Seen many amazing reaction feats from WW imo)
2. Black Adam-90-(haven't really seen much impressive speed feats from him, but he was able to tag Jay Garrick)
3. Gladiator-120-(Nanosecond speed reactions. Look at his fight with Hyperion)
4. Silver Surfer-85(Even though the fastest on the list. I have not seen much impressive combat feats from SS sadly. Still the fastest on the list and faster than supes)
5. Thor-50(Slowest on the list when it comes to combat speed. Street levelers gave him hard time with their speed)

1. Wonder Woman--100
2. Black Adam--99
3. Gladiator--85
4. Silver Surfer--75
5. Thor--40

Originally posted by Stranglehold300
Since the OP specifically states combat speed.

1. Wonder Woman-95(Seen many amazing reaction feats from WW imo)
2. Black Adam-90-(haven't really seen much impressive speed feats from him, but he was able to tag Jay Garrick)
3. Gladiator-120-(Nanosecond speed reactions. Look at his fight with Hyperion)
4. Silver Surfer-85(Even though the fastest on the list. I have not seen much impressive combat feats from SS sadly. Still the fastest on the list and faster than supes)
5. Thor-50(Slowest on the list when it comes to combat speed. Street levelers gave him hard time with their speed)

Superman has far, far better feats than nanosecond levels.

Gladiator is thus not faster, he's significantly slower at high feats, (no surprise there, the guy has a fraction of the showings) but he's close enough to Superman's average to only be 15 points lower in my view.

Other thing that strike me- One thing that happens in the Sacrifice fight is Superman rapid-fires heatvision at superspeed while charging. That wouldn't be affected by whether or not he sees her as Doomsday.



Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Because of the many other stories and scans that state she's faster? There was one where they even had a conversation about it I believe in one of them. Your one isolated incident doesn't override their entire history.

And like I mentioned, he doesn't even keep up that level of performance for the rest of the fight. He's trying to get past her and she keeps him away. They both hit each other back and forth, he is not portrayed as a faster fighter than her in For Tomorrow.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Superman has far, far better feats than nanosecond levels.

Gladiator is thus not faster, he's significantly slower at high feats, (no surprise there, the guy has a fraction of the showings) but he's close enough to Superman's average to only be 15 points lower in my view.

When?

Also Wonder Women and Black Adam are definitely not faster than Gladiator. Gladiator is confirmed FTL, I dont remember Black Adam being stated to be FTL.

Originally posted by Stranglehold300
When?

Also Wonder Women and Black Adam are definitely not faster than Gladiator. Gladiator is confirmed FTL, I dont remember Black Adam being stated to be FTL.

Superman has casually operated as though a fraction of a nanosecond was at least a couple of minutes long to him. Though the narration did say that fraction of a nanosecond was actually 'suspended for eternity' or something flowery like that.

Gladiator and Hyperion simply had a short scuffle that lasted nanoseconds. That's a huge difference in speed.

Hell, Superman has operated under complete time-stop as well with no strain.

As for BA and WW, their catalogue of speed feats aren't as good, but they are peers of Superman, at least BA is. Fair enough if you don't think that's enough to rank them close to him.

1. 99
2. 89
3. 99
4. 9999
5. 9

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Because of the many other stories and scans that state she's faster? There was one where they even had a conversation about it I believe in one of them. Your one isolated incident doesn't override their entire history.
Only one writer has written her as faster, she isn't faster than him in any other writer's view. I would like to see these "many stories" where she is faster.Originally posted by Stranglehold300
Since the OP specifically states combat speed.

1. Wonder Woman-95(Seen many amazing reaction feats from WW imo)
2. Black Adam-90-(haven't really seen much impressive speed feats from him, but he was able to tag Jay Garrick)
3. Gladiator-120-(Nanosecond speed reactions. Look at his fight with Hyperion)
4. Silver Surfer-85(Even though the fastest on the list. I have not seen much impressive combat feats from SS sadly. Still the fastest on the list and faster than supes)
5. Thor-50(Slowest on the list when it comes to combat speed. Street levelers gave him hard time with their speed)
Nanosecond feats you say. Even a weakening Byrne Superman has nanosecond reaction feats.

http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/NanosecondPerception.jpg

Fraction of a nanosecond suspended to eternity. Again Byrne Superman.

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/th_NanosecondInteraction1.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/th_NanosecondInteraction2.jpg

Nanosecond speed again.

http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/?action=view&current=superman_nano_second_reaction.jpg
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/?action=view&current=as603p19.jpg

Originally posted by Q99
Other thing that strike me- One thing that happens in the Sacrifice fight is Superman rapid-fires heatvision at superspeed while charging. That wouldn't be affected by whether or not he sees her as Doomsday.





And like I mentioned, he doesn't even keep up that level of performance for the rest of the fight. He's trying to get past her and she keeps him away. They both hit each other back and forth, he is not portrayed as a faster fighter than her in For Tomorrow.
She blocked a few HV blast, so what? Superman while weakened has actively blocked several kryptonite beams at superspeed.

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/th_img009.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/th_img010.jpg

Also how many times it has to said, he wasn't trying to get past her. He's trying to take her away from the machine.

1.WW.110
2.BA.90
3.Glads.130
4.SS.100
5.Thor.70

Anybody who thinks Thor is 70% as fast as superman should think before they draw a breath.

Thor's the fastest there is.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Thor's the fastest there is.
durthor

Anybody that makes a thread and asks for opinions from other poster THEN take over the thread with THEIR opinion defeats the purpose of the thread itself. If you want to say that superman is the fastest in combat speed in your mind, just say it. Dont start a thread only to cry when some answers bring out your well known butthurt feelings.

Originally posted by JBL
Anybody that makes a thread and asks for opinions from other poster THEN take over the thread with THEIR opinion defeats the purpose of the thread itself. If you want to say that superman is the fastest in combat speed in your mind, just say it. Dont start a thread only to cry when some answers bring out your well known butthurt feelings.

WW is about ten points faster than Superman.

The rest are at least 40

Originally posted by JBL
Anybody that makes a thread and asks for opinions from other poster THEN take over the thread with THEIR opinion defeats the purpose of the thread itself. If you want to say that superman is the fastest in combat speed in your mind, just say it. Dont start a thread only to cry when some answers bring out your well known butthurt feelings.
I made a thread to discuss speed feats, does being OP means you can't discuss your own opinions?

Also I'm just laughing my guts off at some of responses here.

It's not you providing your opinion in this thread, it's you downplaying everyone's opinion on who they think is fastest or what speed percentage they are giving the others. Seems more like a bait thread.

Originally posted by carver9
It's not you providing your opinion in this thread, it's you downplaying everyone's opinion on who they think is fastest or what speed percentage they are giving the others. Seems more like a bait thread.
Downplaying? I'm the only one who's posting scans in my favor when others are just flat out wrong.

Also @ you accusing this to be a bait thread.

"Come on Pr. You know I don't make bait threads. This is carver9."

Originally posted by abhilegend
I made a thread to discuss speed feats, does being OP means you can't discuss your own opinions?

Also I'm just laughing my guts off at some of responses here. You made a thread knowing full well that if anybody gives a number higher than you gave superman, you would pollute the thread with your bias opinions.

Also, laughing at others opinions shows your butthurt nature once again.

Its a bait thread.

Yeah

Did you report it?

Originally posted by JBL
You made a thread knowing full well that if anybody gives a number higher than you gave superman, you would pollute the thread with your bias opinions.

Also, laughing at others opinions shows your butthurt nature once again.
I only asked at first why they were giving those numbers to characters who weren't that fast.

But if you think, they are really that fast and I'm biased why don't you post the scans of them being so fast?


No, it shows I'm in a good mood today.Originally posted by JBL
Its a bait thread.
Baiting who exactly? Its not like I give five characters to number, is it?

Its not a bait thread. If so then who is it baiting? Superman is the fastest herald in combat besides the flashes. This is not debatable. So what's the problem?

Originally posted by h1a8
Its not a bait thread. If so then who is it baiting? Superman is the fastest herald in combat besides the flashes. This is not debatable. So what's the problem? No he is not and this IS a bait thread.

Originally posted by JBL
No he is not and this IS a bait thread. Originally posted by pym-ftw
Yeah

Did you report it? report it then...

Originally posted by pym-ftw
report it then... That would be a waste of time really. but I hope others report it though. You know what happens when i say something against superman.

@JBL: Reported for trolling yet another superman-related thread.
@abhi: Reported for making yet another butthurt, superman-centric bait thread.

Are you both happy now?

Originally posted by Epicurus
@JBL: Reported for trolling yet another superman-related thread.
@abhi: Reported for making yet another butthurt, superman-centric bait thread.

Are you both happy now? I dont troll threads, i gave my opinion and stated facts.

facepalm

Anytime anybody creates a thread and discuss something in it, its suddenly a bait thread? That's why I included several characters in OP which I was discussing it on ICT and I created one here to discuss it here. There are several threads like this but none included these characters.

Wonder Woman: 110
Black Adam: 100
Gladiator: 110
Silver Surfer: 90
Thor: 0,1 but over 9000 reaction speed

Originally posted by JBL
No he is not and this IS a bait thread. so best feats don't prove him being the best? Superman was shown to operate in a fraction of a nanosecond. Others have operated at best in nanoseconds (plural). Surfer is the only one arguably faster in flight speed (although Superman had feats that compare). But flight speed isn't combat speed.

Guys, don't turn this in to Wonder Woman v Superman.

If you try to make it as such, I'll close it. I might even just remove Diana from the OP, seeing as several of you can't debate it without letting bias get in the way.

1. Wonder Woman 110
2. Black Adam 100
3. Gladiator 90 on average
4. Silver Surfer Not sure. He uses his travel speed in combat (ramming/flying through things) if that counts?
5. Thor 80? Maybe 70?

If Superman's combat speed is 100, rate these characters' combat speed.

1. Wonder Woman 80
2. Black Adam 90
3. Gladiator 105
4. Silver Surfer 100
5. Thor 90

Preboot DC versions of characters. Go.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
1. Wonder Woman--100
2. Black Adam--99
3. Gladiator--85
4. Silver Surfer--75
5. Thor--40

Agree except I'd put Bladam and Gladz at 98

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Agree except I'd put Bladam and Gladz at 98
Based on? Jay is faster than Adam and Superman is faster than Jay. As for Gladiator, he has no showings which make him even close to superman in combat speed.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Based on? Jay is faster than Adam and Superman is faster than Jay. As for Gladiator, he has no showings which make him even close to superman in combat speed.
Based on me saying Supes is still faster than Bladam.

As for Gladz? Based on Carver's Gladiator scans.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Based on me saying Supes is still faster than Bladam.

As for Gladz? Based on Carver's Gladiator scans.
Superman is so much faster than Jay that he makes a blitzing Jay look like a statue.

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/th_JusticeLeagueofAmerica010-0203.jpg

That's the same guy who is faster than Adam but Superman is only 2% faster than Adam?

A single nanosecond showing and you're 98% as fast as superman? Look who else has nanosecond showings and he's actually making strategies in a nanosecond with wally.

http://i.imgur.com/8aW6e8Z.jpg

There is no argument, based on reality, in which Gladiator has better combat speed feats than Superman.

Ditto Teth

There are very few character with better combat speed than superman, its either barry/wally or Zoom/Professor Zoom. Gladiator and Black Adam don't even come close to his speed.

Gladiator has the best QUOTED speed in here...non calculated speed (KMC calculated).

Originally posted by abhilegend
There are very few character with better combat speed than superman, its either barry/wally or Zoom/Professor Zoom. Gladiator and Black Adam don't even come close to his speed.

That's your opinion ABHI. Youre scans is always out if context. The ones you did post has been debunked. Hell, the femtosecond speed ft you tried to give to Superman was debunked by a mod. Let people have their opinion. If you think Superman is faster, that's on you bro. Move on.

Originally posted by carver9
Gladiator has the best QUOTED speed in here...non calculated speed (KMC calculated).
Its combat speed, not flying speed.Originally posted by carver9
That's your opinion ABHI. Youre scans is always out if context. The ones you did post has been debunked. Hell, the femtosecond speed ft you tried to give to Superman was debunked by a mod. Let people have their opinion. If you think Superman is faster, that's on you bro. Move on.


Nobody debunked any speed feat, you were debunked by Bada when you tried to argue that Wonder Woman wasn't knocked out and yet you still cling to that. In other words, shut up.

I clearly remember Pr ripping through your claim along with a couple of other posters.

Originally posted by carver9
I clearly remember Pr ripping through your claim along with a couple of other posters.

Similarly.

Abhi, cool the hostility.

Carver, shut up. Seriously, I don't need you stirring the pot, especially when you accuse Abhi of doing the same shit you've been doing for years. Hell, he probably learned it from you.

I am curious about what feat I (or Bada) debunked, though. Not saying I did or didn't do it, I'm just not quite remembering right now, so might need someone to jog my memory, please.

Originally posted by -Pr-


Carver, shut up. Seriously, I don't need you stirring the pot, especially when you accuse Abhi of doing the same shit you've been doing for years. Hell, he probably learned it from you.

Originally posted by Golgo13


That's isn't funny.

Originally posted by carver9
I clearly remember Pr ripping through your claim along with a couple of other posters.
I've seen everybody doing it to you.Originally posted by -Pr-
Abhi, cool the hostility.

Carver, shut up. Seriously, I don't need you stirring the pot, especially when you accuse Abhi of doing the same shit you've been doing for years. Hell, he probably learned it from you.

I am curious about what feat I (or Bada) debunked, though. Not saying I did or didn't do it, I'm just not quite remembering right now, so might need someone to jog my memory, please.
Not my fault that Q and Carver are trying to take potshot at me.

srug

Your reactions are your fault, though.

No more Clark Vs Diana. I'm at the point where i'm ready to make a mod ruling on sacrifice, or else I may just ban it altogether.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Your reactions are your fault, though.

No more Clark Vs Diana. I'm at the point where i'm ready to make a mod ruling on sacrifice, or else I may just ban it altogether.
Alright, I wouldn't comment on their comments anymore in this thread.

You should. Its a cluster****.

I already told Carter to shut up. What did Q99 say?

I may do it.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I already told Carter to shut up. What did Q99 say?

I may do it.
Agree with carver. That's a bannable offense.

uhuh

It has done nothing but caused problems with "lolololol, all out superman failed to beat wonder woman" while refusing to see that none of superman's punches actually connected save one which knocked her out because he was fighting an imaginary opponent two size bigger than her. The argument that it proves she is faster than him are just lulzworthy TBH. Sorry to go on another tirade but I'm seriously tired of correcting people just for them to argue the same thing over and over.

Well I don't agree with your assessment either, but that's neither here nor there.

People need to start separating Superman and Diana in this instance.

Imo it's valid for her as a nice showing due to his lack of restraint, but it's not at all valid for him considering he was mentally compromised, and not operating at peak efficiency.

There's room for both. People just need to stop arguing over it.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Well I don't agree with your assessment either, but that's neither here nor there.

People need to start separating Superman and Diana in this instance.

Imo it's valid for her as a nice showing due to his lack of restraint, but it's not at all valid for him considering he was mentally compromised, and not operating at peak efficiency.

There's room for both. People just need to stop arguing over it.
That's acceptable to me.

Also even when he was slower than Jay as shown here as Energy Superman, he was among the five fastest people after Wally on earth.

http://postimg.org/image/d7kkafe25/

Originally posted by abhilegend
Also even when he was slower than Jay as shown here as Energy Superman, he was among the five fastest people after Wally on earth.

http://postimg.org/image/d7kkafe25/ That has nothing to do with combat speed and while the flashes are running, hes flying. Superman can fly faster than he can run.

Jay Garrick isn't in this thread, why is he being mentioned?

Originally posted by -Pr-
Jay Garrick isn't in this thread, why is he being mentioned? Hes using jay to give a general idea of supermans speed compared to a slower version of superman. I think he has a good point.

Originally posted by JBL
That has nothing to do with combat speed and while the flashes are running, hes flying. Superman can fly faster than he can run.
That was to showcase who are the fastest people on earth after wally. Also that Superman was far slower than regular superman.Originally posted by -Pr-
Jay Garrick isn't in this thread, why is he being mentioned?
He's being mentioned as a measuring stick for speed. Compare that to wonder woman who had to use Jesse's speed wake to keep up with her.


http://i.imgur.com/ygtkE77.jpg


Here is Superman keeping pace up with Wally and Jay at near light speed as they combine their kinetic energy to go into timestream.

http://i.imgur.com/dt90Ktv.jpg

He needs no damn cheating.

uhuh

Ugh dat art

That's all travelling speed, dooder.

Also Superman stalemating an all out Barry Allen who was depicted as FTL in the same series by the same writer while holding back?

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/th_barysupesholdingback.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/8iVAlXl.jpg

Greatest thing EVAH.............

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Ugh dat art
Yeah, the art is atrocious.Originally posted by DarkSaint85
That's all travelling speed, dooder.
Of course, of course.

Originally posted by abhilegend
That was to showcase who are the fastest people on earth after wally. Also that Superman was far slower than regular superman.
He's being mentioned as a measuring stick for speed. Compare that to wonder woman who had to use Jesse's speed wake to keep up with her.


http://i.imgur.com/ygtkE77.jpg


Here is Superman keeping pace up with Wally and Jay at near light speed as they combine their kinetic energy to go into timestream.

http://i.imgur.com/dt90Ktv.jpg

He needs no damn cheating.

uhuh That's all travel speed abhil, focus on supermans combat speed scans to get your point across. Dont stray away from the subject you created, combat speed, focus only on that and your case will be that much easier. Do that and the demand for proof will shift from you to the shoulders of your challengers... Myself included. That way a debate can arise without having to waste time defending yourself for presenting scans of travel speed.

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
1.110
2.90
3.101
4/5.Over 9000.

its over 9000!!!

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
That's all travelling speed, dooder.
Damn, you can like see the future dude.Originally posted by JBL
That's all travel speed abhil, focus on supermans combat speed scans to get your point across. Dont stray away from the subject you created, combat speed, focus only on that and your case will be that much easier. Do that and the demand for proof will shift from you to the shoulders of your challengers... Myself included. That way a debate can arise without having to waste time defending yourself for presenting scans of travel speed.
Running speed IS combat speed for speedsters bro.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Damn, you can like see the future dude.
Running speed IS combat speed for speedsters bro. No its not.

and flash does not get a taste in the spotlight i see...no love for the flash..

Originally posted by JBL
No its not.
Of course it is. What would be Flash's combat speed then?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Of course it is. What would be Flash's combat speed then? So flash fights in a straight line then? Combat speed is far far more than running in a straight line like your last scan shows. I know what you are trying to twist that scan to show. You have a fatal flaw of giving opponents the advantage over you by giving them free easy shots at you. Im trying to help you you ungrateful %#@%$#.

It's hard to argue with anyone with the Wrestling God as his signature.

Be thankful he doesn't give you the Clothesline from Hell, abhi. sneer

Originally posted by JBL
So flash fights in a straight line then? Combat speed is far far more than running in a straight line like your last scan shows. I know what you are trying to twist that scan to show. You have a fatal flaw of giving opponents the advantage over you by giving them free easy shots at you. Im trying to help you you ungrateful %#@%$#.
Flash fights at the same speed at which he runs. If you can move your legs at a certain speed, you can most assuredly move your arms at that speed too. Running speed=combat speed at its finest.

Also lawlz @ you trying to help me.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
It's hard to argue with anyone with the Wrestling God as his signature.

Be thankful he doesn't give you the Clothesline from Hell, abhi. sneer Trust me, i would give up my account to give him the Grandfather of ALL Clotheslines from Hell.

Just for the record Jake, the real JBL hit me with one at my request at an event in Florida. It was one of the greatest moments of my life back then, JBL is a good sport and good person.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
It's hard to argue with anyone with the Wrestling God as his signature.

Be thankful he doesn't give you the Clothesline from Hell, abhi. sneer
Bah, Mysterio punked his ass in 21 seconds.

mmm

Originally posted by JBL
Trust me, i would give up my account to give him the Grandfather of ALL Clotheslines from Hell.

Just for the record Jake, the real JBL hit me with one at my request at an event in Florida. It was one of the greatest moments of my life back then, JBL is a good sport and good person.



That's pretty sweet. I follow his posts on his Facebook account and the like. Really intelligent guy and a great person to boot. His commentary makes me laugh out loud, especially when he buries Cole and King.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Bah, Mysterio punked his ass in 21 seconds.

mmm

PIS/jobbing. uhuh

abhilegend must have the most severe case of micropenis ever recorded.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
PIS/jobbing. uhuh
Legit. It was his retirement match after all.

uhuhOriginally posted by NemeBro
abhilegend must have the most severe case of micropenis ever recorded.


Anyway, here he outright states that he's faster than her in reflexes after casually snatching her off from air.

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/DC/th_WonderWoman162p04.jpg

In her own book no less.

While running speed is a better indication of combat speed than flying speed--much better--they still aren't necessarily synonymous. McDuffie's precise point was that reflexes and how quickly you need to think about your next move also factor in.

That being said, I think this thread has been a little silly. The bulk of continuity suggests that while Diana's training may mitigate some of Superman's raw speed advantage when it comes to combat, it isn't enough to fully offset it. Only one writer has suggested that it is. So I see no reason for people to be giving Diana a higher combat speed rating, at least theoretically--when both are fully using their speed.

What I would say is that the speed afforded by Diana's training is a lot more likely to come into play in most fights that EITHER of their raw super speed. As a result, Diana does probably fight faster than Clark in most fights. But she isn't faster when both are using their full super speed--not under the preponderance of writers.

A related, if off-topic, question:

In terms of speed, Superman is the equal of Barry/Jay/Wally, sometimes faster, sometimes slower, but let's say they're equal.

If the thrust provided by the Flash's legs is equalled by the thrust provided by Superman's powers (whether legs or flight)....

Could they do a Superboy Prime and push a planet?

no: physics and body mechanics in comics don't always make sense.

Guys, combat speed feats have to be explicit feats of reaction/response.

Running/flying in a straight line isn't usable.

to be honest, with the exception of McDuffie's theory on Wonder Woman, I believe that in almost all cases running speed has been equivalent to combat speed.

Comic writers, I don't think differentiate between the two. I honestly think Superman writers don't. He's just super fast, and that's that. The problem lies in the inconsistency that comes with it due to portrayals.

Originally posted by abhilegend
If Superman's combat speed is 100, rate these characters' combat speed.

1. Wonder Woman
2. Black Adam
3. Gladiator
4. Silver Surfer
5. Thor

Preboot DC versions of characters. Go.

Ignoring the speed inconsistencies with all these characters, Superman included, the only ones I would place well below 100 are Surfer and Thor. Surfer because he generally just doesn't show that level of speed outside of flight, though with his powers he probably has the potential. Thor because well, he just isn't that fast compared to other characters and Marvel just don't make their characters that way.

WW I place definitely slightly slower. If she was faster as well as being much more combat skilled I doubt he would ever land a single blow on her (especially when he is fighting half insane/mind controlled) Instead WW has the combat skill to somewhat offset Superman's speed advantage and she can stalemate him at least for a little while.

Gladiator and BA are kind of Superman clones. Glads has displayed his hyper-speed and potentially is up there with Supes, but he is too variable to place 100 or above. BA the same.

I place WW, BA, Glads as lowish to high 90s, give Surfer some benefit of the doubt at 80-90, and Thor << 50.

In actual on-panel fights PIS/CIS comes in and all these guys would somehow fight on an even footing in terms of combat speed, and depending on who the writer wants to push.

Has ABHI posted a combat speed ft yet? With that said, Gladiator is leading this with his nano second punching ft.

No, he isn't. Nor is it what you say it is.

Originally posted by carver9
Has ABHI posted a combat speed ft yet? With that said, Gladiator is leading this with his nano second punching ft.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman is so much faster than Jay that he makes a blitzing Jay look like a statue.

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/th_JusticeLeagueofAmerica010-0203.jpg

That's the same guy who is faster than Adam but Superman is only 2% faster than Adam?

A single nanosecond showing and you're 98% as fast as superman? Look who else has nanosecond showings and he's actually making strategies in a nanosecond with wally.

http://i.imgur.com/8aW6e8Z.jpg




A blitzing superman makes people with nanosecond reaction look like a statue. Not to mention Superman has three above nanosecond showings.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Only one writer has written her as faster, she isn't faster than him in any other writer's view. I would like to see these "many stories" where she is faster.
Nanosecond feats you say. Even a weakening Byrne Superman has nanosecond reaction feats.

http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/NanosecondPerception.jpg

Fraction of a nanosecond suspended to eternity. Again Byrne Superman.

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/th_NanosecondInteraction1.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/th_NanosecondInteraction2.jpg

Nanosecond speed again.

http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/?action=view&current=superman_nano_second_reaction.jpg
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/?action=view&current=as603p19.jpg


She blocked a few HV blast, so what? Superman while weakened has actively blocked several kryptonite beams at superspeed.

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/th_img009.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/th_img010.jpg

Also how many times it has to said, he wasn't trying to get past her. He's trying to take her away from the machine.

Not to mention the nanosecond showing was Hyperion punching after several nanoseconds. Gladiator just blocked it.

http://i.imgur.com/mD4YKub.jpg

The same Hyperion got blitzed by Speed Demon BTW. In other words, shut up.

If nothing else this thread highlights just how overrated speed can be, characters can have a near lightspeed showing on one occasion but be incapable of stopping a bullet on the next. No different than a high end strength feat or power showing, yet these kind of feats are averaged out while some speedsters are painted as these completely untouchable gods on the forum despite the fact they are never portrayed to be.

The difference in speed between everyone in this thread is as negligible as the difference in strength with the only exception possibly being Thor. He has been depicted as slower than Gladiator on more than one occasion but he clearly is fast enough that he can hang. The whole reaction speed, combat speed etc is far from cut and dry when it comes to comics and should be treated as such. Trying to separate them into categories is only going to further muddy what are pretty murky waters to begin with.

@ABHI...

Your argument is terrible (like usual). What does getting blitzed by Speed demon have to do with anything?. The same Superman with your speed fts got punched in the face by Konvikt and The General.

Originally posted by carver9
@ABHI...

Your argument is terrible (like usual). What does getting blitzed by Speed demon have to do with anything?. The same Superman with your speed fts got punched in the face by Konvikt and The General.
Getting punched in the face when somebody isn't using his speed is one thing, getting blitzed is another. Why is Gladiator blocking a punch is better than superman moving around in a fraction of nanosecond anyway? Or crossing a block in a nanosecond? Or making a character with nanosecond reactions look like a statue?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Getting punched in the face when somebody isn't using his speed is one thing, getting blitzed is another. Why is Gladiator blocking a punch is better than superman moving around in a fraction of nanosecond anyway? Or crossing a block in a nanosecond? Or making a character with nanosecond reactions look like a statue?

None of your fts had a time displayed during your scans...you are basing everything you've said off of assumptions...nothing more. Also, even if everything you've said was true, it still isn't a combat showing.

Getting punched in fhe face by someone that doesnt have super speed is far worsse than getting punched in fhe face by someone that does have super speed. WTF.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Guys, combat speed feats have to be explicit feats of reaction/response.

Running/flying in a straight line isn't usable.

Superman has reacted/responded to light more than 1 ft away.

Light travels 1ft in a nanosecond

Originally posted by carver9
Has ABHI posted a combat speed ft yet? With that said, Gladiator is leading this with his nano second punching ft. Yet you believe Zeus beats the shit out of Glads regardless. That must mean Glads is really slow as shit or Zeus is far faster than light. Neither makes sense.

Originally posted by h1a8
Yet you believe Zeus beats the shit out of Glads regardless. That must mean Glads is really slow as shit or Zeus is far faster than light. Neither makes sense.

I don't think Gladiator consistently operates light speed and I don't ignore comics either. Gladiator gets punched in the face consistently, so why wouldn't Zeus be able to tag him. Gladiator also got thrashed by Hulk and Hulk could not lay a glove on Zeus. So yeah, I stand by with what I've said.

Originally posted by carver9
None of your fts had a time displayed during your scans...you are basing everything you've said off of assumptions...nothing more. Also, even if everything you've said was true, it still isn't a combat showing.

Getting punched in fhe face by someone that doesnt have super speed is far worsse than getting punched in fhe face by someone that does have super speed. WTF.
facepalm

Can you even read? Here it is stated plainly that its a fraction of a nanosecond suspended for eternity.

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/NanosecondInteraction1.jpg

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/NanosecondInteraction2.jpg

How much clear can it get for you to accept something carter?


Also Superman not using his speed to dodge attacks is not bad. Hyperion getting blitzed despite using his speed is bad. Why is that you've to taught so simple things?

Originally posted by carver9
I don't think Gladiator consistently operates light speed and I don't ignore comics either. Gladiator gets punched in the face consistently, so why wouldn't Zeus be able to tag him. Gladiator also got thrashed by Hulk and Hulk could not lay a glove on Zeus. So yeah, I stand by with what I've said. But you argue Glads speed when it suits you. The problem is speed is the most unfair power in comics. It's basically time manipulation. Writer's have to ignore it from time to time to create plot. Otherwise every fast character would win in a panel and comics would be boring. It's called PIS. That is what separates comics from forum fights.

^ That time dilation scan is the equivalent of glads time dilation bull rushing thor. The difference is that this one is canon for NE Superman while the glads one was never canon for 616 glads.

If we're going to use time dilation, here is superman moving in total time stop.

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/th_supermanwaverider1.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/th_supermanwaverider2.jpg

But obviously its not a combat speed showing since Superman didn't block a punch, right carter?

Also here is Superman reacting and even recozniging Barry Allen at FTL speed.

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/th_FC07-012.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/th_FC07-013.jpg

Or racing and catching Barry at hyperspeed.

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/DC/th_superman709008.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/DC/th_superman709010.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/DC/th_superman709011.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/DC/th_superman709012.jpg

But none of these are combat showings, right carter?