Note to Raisen: Some things in the Bible ARE demonstrable

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bluewaterrider
Everything in this post below the dotted line, with the exception of the 2 website links, the latter link having little else to do with anything in this particular thread, is excerpted from "The Bible as History".
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Time and again more or les's profound discussions have taken place over this question of the quails and the manna. What a vast amount of disbelief they have occasioned. The Bible is telling us about things that are miraculous and inexplicable! On the contrary quails and manna are perfectly matter of fact occurrences. We need only ask a naturalist or natives of these parts who can see the same thing happening today.

The Exodus of the Israelites began in the spring, the time of the great bird migrations. From Africa, which in summer becomes unbearably hot and dry, the birds have from time immemorial migrated to Europe along two routes. One route goes via the west coast of Africa to Spain, the other via the Eastern Mediterranean to the Balkans. In the early months of the year, quails, together with other birds, fly across the Red Sea, which they must cross on the eastern route. Exhausted by their long flight, they alight on its flat shores to gather fresh strength for the
next stage of their journey over the high mountains to the Mediterranean. Josephus (Antiquities, III, 1, 5) describes an experience of this kind, and even today the Bedouins of this area catch the exhausted quails in spring and autumn by hand.

As far as the famous manna is concerned, we have reliable information from the botanist. To anticipate: anyone who is interested in manna will find it on the list of exports from the Sinai peninsula.

p 129 -- Further, its supplier is registered in every botanical index of the Middle East, it is the Tamarix Mannifera, Ehr.

There is no lack of fully authenticated descriptions of its occurrence. The following eyewitness account is almost five hundred years old.

"In every valley throughout the whole region of Mt. Sinai there can still be found Bread of Heaven, which the monks and the Arabs gather, preserve and sell to pilgrims and strangers who pass that way." These words were written in 1483 by Breitenbach, Dean of Mainz, in an account of his pilgrimage to Sinai. "This same Bread of Heaven", he continues, "falls about daybreak like dew or hoarfrost and hangs in beads on grass, stones, and twigs. It is sweet like honey and sticks to the teeth. We bought a lot of it."

In 1823 the German botanist G. Ehrenberg published a paper 1 which even his colleagues received with incredulity. His explanation seemed indeed to ask people to believe too much, namely that this notorious manna is nothing more than a secretion exuded by tamarisk trees and bushes when they are pierced by a certain type of plant-louse which is found in Sinai.

A hundred years later an organised manna expedition was:under way. Friedrich Simon Bodenheimer and Oskar Theodor, botanical experts from the Hebrew University at Jerusalem, set out for the Sinai Peninsula, to clear up the disputed question of the existence of manna once and for all. For several months the two scientists investigated the dry water-courses and oases in the whole area of Mt. Sinai. Their report caused a sensation. They not only brought back the first photographs of manna and fully confirmed the findings of Breitenbach and Ehrenberg, but also established the factual truth of the Biblical description of the desert migration of the people of Israel.

Without the plant-louse mentioned first by Ehrenberg there would in fact be no manna at all. These little insects live primarily off tamarisks which are a type of tree indigenous to Sinai. They exude a peculiar resinous secretion, which according to Bodenheimer is about the same shape and size as a coriander seed. When it falls to the ground it is white in colour, but after lying for some time it becomes yellowish- brown. Naturally the two scientists did not fail to taste the manna.
1 -- "Symbolae Physicae".
Webmaster Note: The simple explanation of the existance of manna does not take away from the miracle of God in that He provided that the people should gather double the amount on Friday and none on Sabbath.

p 130 -- Bodenheimer's verdict was: "The taste of these crystallised grains of manna is peculiarly sweet. It is most of all like honey when it has been left for a long time to solidify." "And it was like coriander seed, white: and the taste of it was like wafers made with honey", says the Bible (Ex. 16:31).

The findings of the expedition likewise confirmed the other features of the Biblical description of manna. "And they gathered it every morning, every man according to his eating: and when the sun waxed hot, it melted" (Ex. 16:21). Exactly in the same way today the Bedouins of the Sinai peninsula hasten to gather up their "Mann es-Sama", the "Manna from Heaven", as early as possible in the morning, for the ants are keen competitors. " They begin gathering when the ground temperature reaches 2 1 degrees centigrade," says the report of the expedition, "which is about 8:30 a.m. Until then the insects are inert." As soon as the ants become lively, the manna disappears. That must have been what the Biblical narrator meant when he said that it melted. The Bedouins prudently do not forget to seal the manna they have collected carefully in a pot, otherwise the ants pounce on it. It was just the same in Moses' day during the sojourn in the desert: "But some of them left of it until the morning: and it bred worms.... " (Ex., 16:20).

The incidence of the manna depends on favourable winter rains and is different from year to year. In good years the Bedouins of Sinai can collect 4 pounds per head in a morning, - a considerable quantity which is quite sufficient to satisfy a grown man. Thus Moses was able to order the children of Israel to "gather of it every man according to his eating" (Ex. 16:16).

The Bedouins knead the globules of manna into a puree which they consume as a welcome and nourishing addition to their often monotonous diet. Manna is indeed an exportable commodity, and if it is carefully preserved, forms an ideal "iron ration" since it keeps indefinitely. "And Moses said unto Aaron: Take a pot and put an omer full of manna therein, and lay it up before the Lord, to be kept for your generations" (Ex. 16:33).

"And the children of Israel did cat manna forty years, until they came to a land inhabited: they did eat manna until they came unto the borders of the land of Canaan" (Ex. 16:35) . Tamarisks with manna still grow in Sinai and along the Wadi el Arabah right up to the Dead Sea.


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Shakyamunison
The bible is not a history book.

m317
But what about the fact that when the Israelites looked for extra, fresh manna on the Sabbath, there was none? Or that the leftover manna kept overnight for the Sabbath did not spoil? Or that enough quail to feed over 600,000 people was provided in the exact spot, at the exact time that God said it would? Only God could do that.

Shakyamunison
Why was Harry Potter at the just right place to get hit my Voldemort's spell?

Both stories are fiction.

bluewaterrider
Originally posted by m317
But what about the fact that when the Israelites looked for extra, fresh manna on the Sabbath, there was none? Or that the leftover manna kept overnight for the Sabbath did not spoil? Or that enough quail to feed over 600,000 people was provided in the exact spot, at the exact time that God said it would? Only God could do that.


You misunderstand.

The point of this thread is not to try to disprove God or God's actions.

It's rather to demonstrate that some things people think are absolutely absurd and unbelievable are thought of that way largely because people seldom actually research what they so easily dismiss.

Supra
Only an idiot would compare the bible to a harry potter book.

Shakyamunison
Originally posted by Supra
Only an idiot would compare the bible to a harry potter book.

Sometimes you have to use the absurd as a wedge.

dadudemon
Originally posted by Supra
Only an idiot would compare the bible to a harry potter book.

I laughed at his post. That shit was funny.

Am I going to hell?

Stealth Moose
Originally posted by dadudemon
I laughed at his post. That shit was funny.

Am I going to hell?

At least you'll be among colleagues.

Supra
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Sometimes you have to use the absurd as a wedge.

If it actually was a sensible wedge.

Shakyamunison
Originally posted by Supra
If it actually was a sensible wedge.

Sensible Wedge. That would be a great name for a band. What do you think?

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