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1. Who is smarter?
2. Who wins in a fight?

Pre-Flashpoint Barry.
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg587/golgi7777/BA_zps4c956e9b.jpg

vs

http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg587/golgi7777/BM_zpsb9ee5f7b.jpg

Interesting fight.

Smarter- Blue Marvel.

Fight Winner- The Flash.

I'll be curious to see what others have to say about this match up...

Originally posted by jaxthejester
Interesting fight.

Smarter- Blue Marvel.

Fight Winner- The Flash.

I'll be curious to see what others have to say about this match up...

Not familiar with his genius mind. What has he done?

Smarter Blue Marvel
Winner Blue Marvel

Originally posted by carver9
Smarter Blue Marvel
Winner Blue Marvel

Reasoning please.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Reasoning please.

Blue Marvel is a scientist...even during his recent showing he showed that he is a genius.

Blue Marvel is just overall more powerful and his durability is high enough to withstand a blitz. One hit would take Flash out of the fight imo.

Originally posted by carver9
Blue Marvel is a scientist...even during his recent showing he showed that he is a genius.

Blue Marvel is just overall more powerful and his durability is high enough to withstand a blitz. One hit would take Flash out of the fight imo.

Classic Barry was the creator of the cosmic treadmill. Machine that allowed him to travel through time. He's also proficient in Chemistry, forensics, and criminology.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Classic Barry was the creator of the cosmic treadmill. Machine that allowed him to travel through time. He's also proficient in Chemistry, forensics, and criminology.

What has Current Barry done?

Originally posted by carver9
What has Current Barry done?

We're not using current Barry, so I don't know why you brought him up. As stated in the OP, it's Pre-Flashpoint.

Current Flash did scan through an infinite amount of possibilities in, like, the space of a single page, though.

Effin ridic, yo.

Originally posted by Golgo13
We're not using current Barry, so I don't know why you brought him up. As stated in the OP, it's Pre-Flashpoint.

What did you mean by 'Classic" Barry? Also, can you provide scans?

Originally posted by Galan007
Current Flash did scan through an infinite amount of possibilities in, like, the space of a single page, though.

Effin ridic, yo.

Was that the Speed Mind? http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg587/golgi7777/SM_zps3ab61b2e.jpg

And the Cosmic Treadmill
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg587/golgi7777/CT_zps5b225080.jpg

The scan states the Origin of the Wheel is unknown.

http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/goofyflash-8b.jpg

The Cosmic Treadmill is one of those Lex Luthor "ray gun from junk" Pre-Crisis type moments, you just have to go with it. I don't recall it's origin being retold Post-Crisis at any point.

Anyways, in terms of who is smarter in regards to scientific capabilities and acumen, Blue Marvel all the way imo. If you want more concrete feats, there's his teleportation equipment, bases, different experiments (I don't remember them all), anti-matter gear and so on. Barry Allen is obviously intelligent being a Forensic officer, but he's basically as smart as you'd expect someone who graduated University and applied himself to be. He was always the brains of the Flash family with his Flash facts and so on. That being said, this is like Reed Richards vs. Peter Parker on a lower scale.

Yes, he has the Cosmic Treadmill, but Thor was also a super genius in the 60's as well. That doesn't mean he's on Adam's level either. Not to mention there was some Speed Force shit going on. IIRC, he saw it in his mind as he was lost in time or whatever. He himself doesn't know it's origins, just it's purpose.

LOL at using Pre Crisis fts. Golgo if you come in here and say you are using Pre Crisis Flash, it proves that you are intentionally making spite threads to favor DC.

The Cosmic Treadmill exists in the Post Crisis. The origin remains the same, Barry built it.

Using it as some indicator of him being a super genius is not a very accurate description of the character however based on what of Barry before Flashpoint, all though his existence was brief.

Originally posted by carver9
The scan states the Origin of the Wheel is unknown.

He still made it post crisis, I believe. The origin of the plans were unknown.

Originally posted by Golgo13
He still made it post crisis, I believe. The origin of the plans were unknown.

If you know this, then why is it relevant? I mean, some well trained monkeys can put items together, but it's not really reflective of their intelligences.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
If you know this, then why is it relevant? I mean, some well trained monkeys can put items together, but it's not really reflective of their intelligences.

I still find it impressive. Kind of like Superman creating the Miracle Machine from plans he saw.

Originally posted by Golgo13
I still find it impressive. Kind of like Superman creating the Miracle Machine from plans he saw.

I agree, it proves he's very a capable and intelligent but there's a difference between that and a guy who's intended to be competitive with geniuses like Tony and Reed in his field.

With that said, Blue Marvel is smarter.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I agree, it proves he's very a capable and intelligent but there's a difference between that and a guy who's intended to be competitive with geniuses like Tony and Reed in his field.

Ah, so Blue Marvel is comparable to Tony Stark? Didn't know, TBH.

Originally posted by Galan007
Current Flash did scan through an infinite amount of possibilities in, like, the space of a single page, though.

Effin ridic, yo. I can do that.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Was that the Speed Mind? http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/17369459_1.jpg

Originally posted by Mindset
I can do that. One would think you must calculate infinite possibilities before each rape..?

Originally posted by Galan007

One would think you must calculate infinite possibilities before each rape..?

There is only one:

Success.

This future version of Barry is a super genius

https://i.imgur.com/xjzINtb.jpg