Supergirl vs Wonder Woman

Q99

Originally posted by abhilegend
Why? We've seen Kara two piece Ultraman, Bizarro saying she is as strong as him, outperforming cyborg superman and the likes. She is certainly stronger/more durable than diana. FWIW she easily restrained Karen like Wonder Woman did.

Supergirl also says in the next panel after the restraint that she's lucky PG isn't at a hundred yet. (And if we're talking restraints, WW could one-arm SG before she had training).

Early in Supergirl's book, PG attacks her and Supergirl internally says, "Damnit, I'm not used to dealing with people stronger than me." Exact quote.

And, well, Power Girl literally *is* an older, more muscular Supergirl. They're alternate versions with different exercise routines.

Remember, not all of us underrate Wonder Woman like you do. Some of us remember that when she went against a full no-holds back Superman she both took and dealt heavy damage (and that's talking purely muscle), or the time in For Tomorrow where they batted each other back and forth to no real damage. Or that against Doomsday War Doomsday, she took repeated hits where Martian Manhunter and Orion went down fast. Took literally four shots from the guy who one-shotted MM and was still going strong.

Superman under Casey pegs Wonder Woman, not anyone else, as his number 2 on Earth for a reason. Heck, John Byrne also had a mind controlled Superman state they were equal in power, which I think is stretching it, but some authors do rate them closer than I do.

DarkSaint85

Heh.

Anyways, WW wins this.

-Pr-

Diana, imo.

In general, I view the gap between Diana and Kara as being somewhat close to the gap between Clark and Diana.

If this turns in to the bait thread it looks like it was meant to be, heads will roll.

abhilegend

Originally posted by Q99
Supergirl also says in the next panel after the restraint that she's lucky PG isn't at a hundred yet. Really? You could've fooled me.

http://imgur.com/TGbNZuC
http://imgur.com/uAvUvFy

You reading words where none exist again? Surprise.

That's because Supergirl was afraid of using her powers at that time. Just two issues later Superman and Batman said that she might be stronger than superman himself. Wonder Woman must be stronger than superman too, right?

The full quote, "She shouldn't be this strong."

http://i.imgur.com/aA5ejwF.jpg

Want to know why? Supergirl made her stronger because of her presence.

http://imgur.com/C9Jy2G0

Context, context.

And yet Kara's record against top tiers like Ultraman (two times), Lobo, Superman, Titan Tomorrow Superman is far better than Karen.

http://i.imgur.com/aRy4FC3.jpg

Kara nearly knocked out Superman in three hits and Superman thought she is going to kill him.

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc141/Supergirl_Respect/supvskara.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc141/Supergirl_Respect/supvskara2.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc141/Supergirl_Respect/supvskara3.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc141/Supergirl_Respect/supvskara4.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc141/Supergirl_Respect/supvskara5.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc141/Supergirl_Respect/supvskara6.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc141/Supergirl_Respect/supvskara7.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc141/Supergirl_Respect/supvskara8.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc141/Supergirl_Respect/supvskara9.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc141/Supergirl_Respect/supvskara10.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc141/Supergirl_Respect/supvskara11.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc141/Supergirl_Respect/supvskara12.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc141/Supergirl_Respect/supvskara13.jpg

Superman going to think Kara is going to beat him to death is better than anything wonder woman has done against him. I don't want to dissect your illusions about Sacrifice or For Tomorrow again. I've done it enough times already.

Kara literally choked J'onn out with one hand.

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc141/Supergirl_Respect/martianout.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc141/Supergirl_Respect/martianout2.jpg

Kelly. He deemed Ultraman his equal under Kelly, Kara knocked him out in two hits.

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc141/Supergirl_Respect/ultrabeat.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc141/Supergirl_Respect/ultrabeat2.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc141/Supergirl_Respect/ultrabeat3.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc141/Supergirl_Respect/ultrabeat4.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc141/Supergirl_Respect/ultrabeat5.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc141/Supergirl_Respect/ultrabeat6.jpg

Chris Claremont did. But he made J'onn his equal in power too and then said that wonder woman was beneath J'onn. Superman was weakened there too.

abhilegend

Originally posted by -Pr-
Diana, imo.

In general, I view the gap between Diana and Kara as being somewhat close to the gap between Clark and Diana.

If this turns in to the bait thread it looks like it was meant to be, heads will roll.
I just created a thread among two characters which are peers. Why is this a bait thread?

DarkSaint85

Lol@ choking a shapeshifter who can go intangible, and can breathe in space.

Wait, they're on the moon! With no atmosphere! Oh, DC....

abhilegend

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Any instance of Supergirl outperforming Henshaw is either laced with plenty of context or just PIS.
Why? Supergirl is certainly stronger than Hank.

abhilegend

Bizarro has also said Kara is as strong as him.

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc141/Supergirl_Respect/bizpunch.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc141/Supergirl_Respect/bizpunch2.jpg

She has destroyed a moon at near light speed which is better than any single strength feat from diana.

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc141/Supergirl_Respect/moonbust.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc141/Supergirl_Respect/moonbust2.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc141/Supergirl_Respect/moonbust3.jpg

She has also survived a planet exploding.

Sorry, not seeing how Diana is stronger or more durable by either statements or feats. At best she is equally as strong and less durable by comparison to PG and SG.

-Pr-

Originally posted by abhilegend
I just created a thread among two characters which are peers. Why is this a bait thread?

Because you've shown a lack of objectivity when it comes to Wonder Woman.

The fact that this thread is still open means I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt. How long it stays open, is up to you.

StiltmanFTW

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol@ choking a shapeshifter who can go intangible, and can breathe in space.

Wait, they're on the moon! With no atmosphere! Oh, DC....

What else did you expect from Martian Manjobber?

Google actually has results for "Manjobber", all redirect to comic forums shocklaugh

DarkSaint85

I trust you. I don't want to Google Manjobs.

carver9

Wonder Woman wins.

StiltmanFTW

Yeah, she makes meals faster.

abhilegend

Originally posted by -Pr-
Because you've shown a lack of objectivity when it comes to Wonder Woman.

The fact that this thread is still open means I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt. How long it stays open, is up to you.
What? I said she might be as strong as Kara if we go by Simone's portrayal but then PG looked stronger than her under Mark Waid. How's that being having lack of objectivity regarding to wonder woman?

FWIW in a normal fight I would give diana 6-7/10 on Kara, I think Kara is a bit stronger and more durable than her though. She would win here 6/10 IMO.

Pillow Biter

It was pretty difficult to find a consistent power level for SG and PG pre-Flashpoint.
Despite presenting the idea that SG only seemed uber relative to Superman because he held back, SG also seemed to drop in power level relative to other heroes post-original push.
Diana could not match Supergirl during her original push--Diana couldn't manhandle the league like SG did when she was Dark Supergirl. But on the whole WW was more often presented as being able to take SG in a fight.

abhilegend

Originally posted by Pillow Biter
It was pretty difficult to find a consistent power level for SG and PG pre-Flashpoint.
Despite presenting the idea that SG only seemed uber relative to Superman because he held back, SG also seemed to drop in power level relative to other heroes post-original push.
Diana could not match Supergirl during her original push--Diana couldn't manhandle the league like SG did when she was Dark Supergirl. But on the whole WW was more often presented as being able to take SG in a fight.
Not that true. Even in the end of DCU, she was strong enough to beat Ultraman.

http://i.imgur.com/aRy4FC3.jpg

And beat Titans Tomorrow Superman who earlier caught a full punch from Kara like nothing and wtfpwned full powered Freddy Captain Marvel.

http://i.imgur.com/ssZ8a4e.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/YgdBGGQ.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/qcQhyjs.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/wpTboDR.jpg

She also overpowered Brimstone casually when future wonder girl and current wonder girl were having trouble.

http://imgur.com/dDHSNlA
http://imgur.com/1Vgla8H
http://imgur.com/q1kyXNh

The same future wonder girl knocked wonder woman out albeit by an ambush.

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/DC/th_10-3.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/DC/th_04-05.jpg

Even in Final Crisis, wonder woman needed her skills to beat Black Mary.

http://i.imgur.com/7EglefN.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/TeSwJ8K.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/iNGujNQ.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/2on6Vb8.jpg

Stopping a punch by both hands? Lame.

Supergirl straight up overpowered her.

http://i.imgur.com/YnU3sEi.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/bDSutRx.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/6l6YgQv.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/L0oTYKY.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/xkPi1oP.jpg

So I don't see how she was supposed to be below wonder woman level when she has actual wins over top tiers in h2h. Ultraman has oneshotted Wonder Woman last they met BTW.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16706880/dianaowned.jpg.html

-Pr-

Yeah, no lack of objectivity here.

You should just probably avoid threads with Wonder Woman in them from now on, I'm thinking.

abhilegend

Originally posted by -Pr-
Yeah, no lack of objectivity here.

You should just probably avoid threads with Wonder Woman in them from now on, I'm thinking.
What did I say that was wrong about wonder woman? I am just arguing that Kara was right there with wonder woman in terms of strength till the end albeit slightly stronger. Its not that she was in a different tier or something. I'm genuinely curious about this "lack of objectivity" now.

abhilegend

TBF there are some portrayals which point out that Wonder Woman IS more powerful/dangerous/effective than supergirl.

Zatanna outright said that Diana was the most powerful woman on the planet.

http://i.imgur.com/0zDax5R.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/bnK84mA.jpg

Same with Batman saying that she was the most dangerous among a group consisting of several GLs, Supergirl, Firestorm etc.

http://i.imgur.com/eVKFrcU.jpg

But power=/=strength.

-Pr-

Originally posted by abhilegend
What did I say that was wrong about wonder woman? I am just arguing that Kara was right there with wonder woman in terms of strength till the end albeit slightly stronger. Its not that she was in a different tier or something. I'm genuinely curious about this "lack of objectivity" now.

So I'm just supposed to forget about every other thread where you posted about Diana? Really?

And what about Ultraman? Was it not so long ago that you were arguing with someone about how the Ultraman that Kara beat up wasn't as impressive as the higher up Ultramans?

Pillow Biter

On average, I would say Kara was stronger, yes. Even for strength, some portrayals may imply an equality - or even superiority- for Wonder woman. But I'd say on the whole SG was stronger. That being said, formidability is more complex.

abhilegend

Originally posted by -Pr-
So I'm just supposed to forget about every other thread where you posted about Diana? Really?

And what about Ultraman? Was it not so long ago that you were arguing with someone about how the Ultraman that Kara beat up wasn't as impressive as the higher up Ultramans?
Aw c'mon pr, its ownage thread and I just stumbled upon a very good comic book archive.

The first Ultraman in Supergirl series was a new character from Earth-3 but this Ultraman which Kara beat in Robinson's JLA was from crime syndicate aka antimatter universe. Don't worry though, Robinson wrote superman treating Supergirl as a spoiled child in strength.

Q99

Whenever WW directly goes against Supergirl or Power Girl, she comes out looking pretty good.

Heck, Power Girl punched her to *Canada* and she just shrugged it.

StiltmanFTW

Originally posted by abhilegend
Same with Batman saying that she was the most dangerous among a group consisting of several GLs, Supergirl, Firestorm etc.

http://i.imgur.com/eVKFrcU.jpg

She was the most "dangerous" because Batman couldn't focus with his cock hard, that's why.

Silent Master

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
She was the most "dangerous" because Batman couldn't focus with his cock hard, that's why.

Then he should have asked Robin to leave the room.

chipguy_okay

There can be skill in a slugfest. how you take or roll with a punch is a skill in itself, and one WW has a vast advantage over Supergirl in.

WW stomps.

-Pr-

Originally posted by abhilegend
Aw c'mon pr, its ownage thread and I just stumbled upon a very good comic book archive.

The first Ultraman in Supergirl series was a new character from Earth-3 but this Ultraman which Kara beat in Robinson's JLA was from crime syndicate aka antimatter universe. Don't worry though, Robinson wrote superman treating Supergirl as a spoiled child in strength.

I know; I did read the comic, as shitty as it was.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Then he should have asked Robin to leave the room.

laughing out loud

I usually hate Batman pedo jokes, but dammit, that was funny.

abhilegend

Originally posted by Q99
Whenever WW directly goes against Supergirl or Power Girl, she comes out looking pretty good.

Heck, Power Girl punched her to *Canada* and she just shrugged it.
orly

In the very same story she conceded that PG is at least as strong as her. In Waid's B&B PG looked solidly above her in strength with knocking her out and then catching her punch.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Power Girl owns wonder woman

http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/14955333_7613458.jpg

After that easily catches her punch after Diana blindsided her

http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/14955335_4707913.jpg

Although in the first fight Diana was somewhat poisoned, so its not totally fair. But catching her full punch is totally legit.

abhilegend

Originally posted by -Pr-
I know; I did read the comic, as shitty as it was.

laughing out loud

I usually hate Batman pedo jokes, but dammit, that was funny.
So, what did you think? She looked solidly above wonder woman's strength class there.

-Pr-

Originally posted by abhilegend
So, what did you think? She looked solidly above wonder woman's strength class there.

I think almost everything Robinson writes in DC is a gigantic, triceratops level pile of shit.

How is brave and bold a valid example, btw?

Q99

Originally posted by abhilegend
So, what did you think? She looked solidly above wonder woman's strength class there.

Looked pretty close. Blocking a shot doesn't indicate superior strength, and as you say, the first one was poisoned.

And considering PG > Supergirl, still goes to Diana in the Supergirl matchup.

abhilegend

Originally posted by -Pr-
I think almost everything Robinson writes in DC is a gigantic, triceratops level pile of shit.

How is brave and bold a valid example, btw?
Except Starman, Shade and JSA: Golden Age I agree.

Why it isn't? Its canon and all?Originally posted by Q99
Looked pretty close. Blocking a shot doesn't indicate superior strength, and as you say, the first one was poisoned.

And considering PG > Supergirl, still goes to Diana in the Supergirl matchup.
Blocking=/=Catching a punch outright casually.

laughing out loud

Who said PG>SG? Supergirl has way better feats than PG.

-Pr-

Canon, yes, but weren't they mentally compromised at the time?

Supra

Supergirl might be a little stronger, but Wonder Woman is much more skilled and experienced.

abhilegend

Originally posted by -Pr-
Canon, yes, but weren't they mentally compromised at the time?
No. PG was mentally possessed by Alchemy but when she stopped Diana's punch she was back to normal.

playa1258

I think they would both rugmuch each other. Wonder how long they could hold out before getting weak in the knees?

Supra

Originally posted by playa1258
I think they would both rugmuch each other. Wonder how long they could hold out before getting weak in the knees?

Thats a KMC quote for all time. Going on my wall

Thanks bro!

Supra

Originally posted by playa1258
I think they would both rugmuch each other. Wonder how long they could hold out before getting weak in the knees?

Welcome back btw

-Pr-

Originally posted by abhilegend
No. PG was mentally possessed by Alchemy but when she stopped Diana's punch she was back to normal.

Did you not post a scan from during the time she was possessed, though?

abhilegend

Originally posted by -Pr-
Did you not post a scan from during the time she was possessed, though?
I cleared that diana was poisoned at that time which would be a bigger factor than PG being possessed so it wasn't fair. The punch catch was legit though and Diana blindsiding PG and hammering on her repeatedly didn't do anything more than annoy her. She clearly looked stronger and more durable than Diana IMO.

-Pr-

Originally posted by abhilegend
I cleared that diana was poisoned at that time which would be a bigger factor than PG being possessed so it wasn't fair. The punch catch was legit though and Diana blindsiding PG and hammering on her repeatedly didn't do anything more than annoy her. She clearly looked stronger and more durable than Diana IMO.

That's fine if it's your interpretation, that's fine if it's what happened.

Still doesn't make it a really strong piece of evidence though, with outside interference in play.

And what do you have against Randy Orton?

Supra

Supergirll is more durable but does not mean WW cant beat her as I said she is more skilled and experienced. WW will beat her.

abhilegend

Originally posted by -Pr-
That's fine if it's your interpretation, that's fine if it's what happened.

Still doesn't make it a really strong piece of evidence though, with outside interference in play.

And what do you have against Randy Orton?
Nah, its what happened. If you like I can post the whole fight.

Catching a punch doesn't indicate superior strength?

Nothing, he's just boring IMO.

JakeTheBank

Randy Boreton

-Pr-

Originally posted by abhilegend
Nah, its what happened. If you like I can post the whole fight.

Catching a punch doesn't indicate superior strength?

Nothing, he's just boring IMO.

How much of it was while one/both of them was influenced?

Oh, it can. It doesn't always mean it does, though. And why is Power Girl being talked about?

Well his promos are usually crap, I'll give you that.

abhilegend

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Randy Boreton
thumb up

Originally posted by -Pr-
How much of it was while one/both of them was influenced?

Oh, it can. It doesn't always mean it does, though. And why is Power Girl being talked about?

Well his promos are usually crap, I'll give you that.
See for yourself.

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r120/Tedirey/Power%20Girl%20KOs%20Wonder%20Woman/th_BB7-p12.jpghttp://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r120/Tedirey/Power%20Girl%20KOs%20Wonder%20Woman/th_BB7-p13.jpghttp://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r120/Tedirey/Power%20Girl%20KOs%20Wonder%20Woman/th_BB7-p14.jpghttp://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r120/Tedirey/Power%20Girl%20KOs%20Wonder%20Woman/th_BB7-p15.jpg

In this context it should. Wonder Woman was totally pissed and she blindsided PG and she still caught her punch.

http://i.imgur.com/Olg3Obj.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/CvSGuIv.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/7mVirI0.jpg

Because someone said that PG>SG and Diana looks stronger than PG. SG has always looked better than PG.

That and he's ****ing lazy. He can do a great match but 99% of the time he just ****s around.

Q99

There is still the matter of Diana one-arm restraining her, or the other times Wondy's gone head to head with Supergirl.

Originally posted by Supra
Supergirll is more durable but does not mean WW cant beat her as I said she is more skilled and experienced. WW will beat her.

I'd say Wonder Woman generally has the better durability feats.

Yes, SG lacks her piercing weakness, but Wondy's stood up to beatings from no-holds-back Superman, Doomsdayified Circe enchantment Superman, and Doomsday War Doomsday.

Checkmate pegs her toughness at A-1, same ranking it gave Superman. Obviously not the exact same, but when it comes to taking a beating she's got a fairly impressive resume.

abhilegend

Originally posted by Q99
There is still the matter of Diana one-arm restraining her, or the other times Wondy's gone head to head with Supergirl.

I'd say Wonder Woman generally has the better durability feats.

Yes, SG lacks her piercing weakness, but Wondy's stood up to beatings from no-holds-back Superman, Doomsdayified Circe enchantment Superman, and Doomsday War Doomsday.

Checkmate pegs her toughness at A-1, same ranking it gave Superman. Obviously not the exact same, but when it comes to taking a beating she's got a fairly impressive resume.
That was when Kara was afraid of using her powers on anyone. Two issues later she was going to kill Superman with her bare hands after she let go due to black kryptonite. At that time Krypto sent her packing in fear and Artemis knocked her on her ass. That doesn't mean they were as powerful as Kara. Also what time she has gone toe to toe with Kara?

Supergirl has actually taken and knocked out superman level opponents like Ultraman, Titans Tomorrow Superman and most importantly almost KOed superman himself in h2h. Doomsday War Doomsday toying with her isn't a feat.

Again with that checkmate stuff? I can show you direct evidence of superman outright tanking stuff that KTFO wonder woman. His durability shits on wonder woman's durability. Supergirl has survived a planet exploding in her face, what has wonder woman done which is comparable?

carver9

This and Wonder Woman wins.

Delta1938

Originally posted by Q99
There is still the matter of Diana one-arm restraining her, or the other times Wondy's gone head to head with Supergirl.

Yes, do leave out that Kara's powers were still developing AND she had no confidence. And what times have they gone head to head? I'm not aware of any actual fights they've had. The restraining has been explained. The thing in the early issues of Kara's solo series? Yeah, having nearly been killed by Luthor, had a lengthy fight with Dark Kara, and attacked a few times by Superman before WW hits her once sure screams Wonder Woman>Supergirl. And there was that time Diana.....busted her nose when Kara wasn't expecting it. Not impressive.

Originally posted by Q99
I'd say Wonder Woman generally has the better durability feats.

Yes, SG lacks her piercing weakness, but Wondy's stood up to beatings from no-holds-back Superman, Doomsdayified Circe enchantment Superman, and Doomsday War Doomsday.

A beating from "no-holds-back Superman?" SACRIFICE? You mean the fight where in regards to actually striking her, Superman landed all of one punch and knocked her the **** out? "Doomsdayified Circe enchantment Superman?" Where the Doomsdayified only was a factor once and she exclaimed "two more hits like that will kill me!!" even through her bracelets? Brainiac Doomsday toying with her and she was hit MAYBE twice?

Originally posted by Q99
Checkmate pegs her toughness at A-1, same ranking it gave Superman. Obviously not the exact same, but when it comes to taking a beating she's got a fairly impressive resume.

I actually recall something for her to be A-2 compared to his A-1, but even if durability was given equal rating, either there's a huge, HUGE range for "A-1" considering how massive the difference is between them here, or it's just wrong. But comparing them would be changing this to Superman vs Wonder Woman, which isn't the topic.

Originally posted by carver9
thumb up

This and Wonder Woman wins.

Quick carver9, to the changing room!! You have Q99's skirt and high heels to fill!! laughing

Delta1938

Originally posted by leonidas
diana.

In a skill-free slugfest?

carver9

Wonder Woman's stronger.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/121335/2337023-supermanbatman056004.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/121335/2337024-supermanbatman056006_007.jpg

Wonder Woman contains her with one arm.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/121335/2366111-scan0047_1.jpg

abhilegend

Kara was explicitly stated to be the most powerful girl on the planet.

She has also performed far better than Diana in strength department.

StiltmanFTW

Love her panties in that scan. Was she wearing those for Clark? haermm

carver9

Originally posted by abhilegend
laughing out loud

Kara was explicitly stated to be the most powerful girl on the planet.

She has also performed far better than Diana in strength department.

When was this said?

Lol...she isn't better than Diana. Diana would destroy her and no writer would go against what I am saying either.

StiltmanFTW

The entire intent was to make Kara even stronger than Superman shifty

abhilegend

Originally posted by carver9
When was this said?

Lol...she isn't better than Diana. Diana would destroy her and no writer would go against what I am saying either.
In her own comic.

Yes, she is. She has defeated Ultraman twice and Ultraman oneshotted Diana.

Hahaha.

Delta1938

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Love her panties in that scan. Was she wearing those for Clark? haermm

In the context that it was Lois buying her clothes, this is.....I don't know. eek!

StiltmanFTW

Originally posted by carver9
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/121335/2366111-scan0047_1.jpg

Am I the only one imagining Diana f*cking Kara with a strap-on dildo now? haermm

StiltmanFTW

Originally posted by Delta1938
In the context that it was Lois buying her clothes, this is.....I don't know. eek!

Well, I imagine she had more fun on that lesbo island with Diana, Artemis and hundreds of chicks than she could ever hope to have with Clark and Lois.

Delta1938

Bringing it back, Supergirl wins.

carver9

Originally posted by abhilegend
In her own comic.

Yes, she is. She has defeated Ultraman twice and Ultraman oneshotted Diana.

Hahaha.

Are you talking about this?

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/8190/326569-105458-zatanna.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/8190/326570-114720-zatanna.jpg

Also, how many times has Wonder Woman said to be the most powerful female on the planet?

leonidas

where did kara beat ultraman?

celeyhyga17

I thinks she may have beaten an alt Ultraman. Can't recall.

Delta1938

Originally posted by leonidas
where did kara beat ultraman?

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
I thinks she may have beaten an alt Ultraman. Can't recall.

She faced an alternate one earlyish in her own series, but faced the CSA one Morrison introduced late in the second volume of JUSTICE LEAGUE OF AMERICA.

Pillow Biter

There were serious inconsistencies in the depicted and stated power levels of all the Kryptonians, including Supergirl and Power Girl.
There are times when I'd pick Kara and times when I'd pick Wonder Woman.
In direct comparisons, Wonder Woman almost always seems at least equal physically. However, at various times Supergirl has performed feats that Wonder Woman probably could not have equaled, including showings versus the JLA and Superman himself.
It's a mess and you'll get no easy answers here.

abhilegend

Originally posted by carver9
Are you talking about this?

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/8190/326569-105458-zatanna.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/8190/326570-114720-zatanna.jpg

Also, how many times has Wonder Woman said to be the most powerful female on the planet?
No. That's one instance of Diana getting lip service.

Including that? One time.

Originally posted by leonidas
where did kara beat ultraman?
Supergirl 6-7 and Justice League of America 50.

She also beat Titans Tomorrow Superman who treated Freddy with full power of Shazam as a flea.

DarkSaint85

Originally posted by carver9
When was this said?

Lol...she isn't better than Diana. Diana would destroy her and no writer would go against what I am saying either.

Proof that others have punched Batman with their full strength? Scans.

h1a8

They are in the vicinity of each other in strength. Diana is more skilled and will get more hits than Supergirl gets. Plus she has the lasso.

Delta1938

Originally posted by h1a8
They are in the vicinity of each other in strength. Diana is more skilled and will get more hits than Supergirl gets. Plus she has the lasso.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Pure slugfest. No skills, just trading punches untill one of them gets KOED. Preboot versions. Who wins?

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/home-alone-shut-up.gif

http://oi55.tinypic.com/nlx4zo.jpg

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/arnold-shutup-kindergarten-cop.gif

Sin I AM

I would imagine she who has the greatest damage soak to be the victor of this particular match. The strength diff is inconsequential

Delta1938

sneer Since carter is useless like usual--

Originally posted by carver9
Wonder Woman's stronger.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/121335/2337023-supermanbatman056004.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/121335/2337024-supermanbatman056006_007.jpg

Wonder Woman contains her with one arm.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/121335/2366111-scan0047_1.jpg

Originally posted by carver9
Are you talking about this?

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/8190/326569-105458-zatanna.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/8190/326570-114720-zatanna.jpg

Also, how many times has Wonder Woman said to be the most powerful female on the planet?

Like I said earlier, Kara had absolutely no confidence whatsoever at that point--

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/Comparing/Heroes/Supergirl/PowersDeveloping/Krypto/th_SUPERMAN-BATMAN9-PG02-03.jpg http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/Comparing/Heroes/Supergirl/PowersDeveloping/Krypto/th_SUPERMAN-BATMAN9-PG04.jpg

And her powers were still developing. Superman didn't even know she had x-ray vision.

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/Comparing/Heroes/Supergirl/PowersDeveloping/Krypto/th_SUPERMAN-BATMAN9-PG14.jpg

As for a couple examples of lip service, one of which is pretty sketchy at best in context? An actual showing is definitely better than that. Here's her fight with Bizarrogirl.

http://s1199.photobucket.com/user/Delta1938/library/Comparing/Heroes/Supergirl/Bizarrogirl/RoundOne

http://s1199.photobucket.com/user/Delta1938/library/Comparing/Heroes/Supergirl/Bizarrogirl/RoundTwo

Your move, fearful one.

Delta1938

Originally posted by Pillow Biter
There were serious inconsistencies in the depicted and stated power levels of all the Kryptonians, including Supergirl and Power Girl.
There are times when I'd pick Kara and times when I'd pick Wonder Woman.
In direct comparisons, Wonder Woman almost always seems at least equal physically. However, at various times Supergirl has performed feats that Wonder Woman probably could not have equaled, including showings versus the JLA and Superman himself.
It's a mess and you'll get no easy answers here.

What direct comparisons? The only ones I know of for Kara all have context, and the ones I've seen for Power Girl have PeeGee looking better unless you ignore Diana going, "Hey I've gotta actually FIGHT like an Amazon!!" thing.

h1a8

Originally posted by Delta1938
http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/home-alone-shut-up.gif

http://oi55.tinypic.com/nlx4zo.jpg

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/arnold-shutup-kindergarten-cop.gif Sorry about that. Well I say split. I strength is a wash (Kara might be stronger) but damage soak goes to WW.

Delta1938

Originally posted by h1a8
Sorry about that.

big grin

Originally posted by h1a8
Well I say split. I strength is a wash (Kara might be stronger) but damage soak goes to WW.

Burden of proof is on you. Examples have been given that are above what's been shown for Wonder Woman, other than some lip service(one of which is iffy) and an out of context scan(that's been repeatedly debunked).

h1a8

Originally posted by Delta1938
big grin

Burden of proof is on you. Examples have been given that are above what's been shown for Wonder Woman, other than some lip service(one of which is iffy) and an out of context scan(that's been repeatedly debunked). I don't have a problem with WW being stronger. Hell, I hope she is.

Who do you think is stronger? Or have the greater damage soak?

Delta1938

Originally posted by h1a8
I don't have a problem with WW being stronger. Hell, I hope she is.

Who do you think is stronger? Or have the greater damage soak?

um Have you actually paid attention to the topic?

h1a8

Originally posted by Delta1938
um Have you actually paid attention to the topic? No, of course not. Who's stronger?

Delta1938

Originally posted by h1a8
No, of course not. Who's stronger?

Supergirl wins. sneer

SamZED

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Am I the only one imagining Diana f*cking Kara with a strap-on dildo now? haermm naughty

Delta1938

Originally posted by carver9
Wonder Woman's stronger.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/121335/2337023-supermanbatman056004.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/121335/2337024-supermanbatman056006_007.jpg

Originally posted by carver9
Are you talking about this?

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/8190/326569-105458-zatanna.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/8190/326570-114720-zatanna.jpg

Also, how many times has Wonder Woman said to be the most powerful female on the planet?

Since you're making such a big deal about lip service, here. Superman says Kara may be more powerful than him.

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc141/Supergirl_Respect/th_supvskara9.jpg

Bizarro in his Bizarrospeak says Supergirl is equal to him. I don't think you'll make a compelling case for Wonder Woman>Bizarro in regards to power.

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/Comparing/Heroes/Supergirl/Miscellaneous/th_SUPERMAN-BATMAN23-PG15.jpg

But I'd really rather actually get to something that isn't lip service carty.

carver9

One of my showings is a combat showing.

Delta1938

Originally posted by carver9
One of my showings is a combat showing.

I know.

Originally posted by carver9

Wonder Woman contains her with one arm.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/121335/2366111-scan0047_1.jpg

And it was debunked.

Originally posted by Delta1938
sneer Since carter is useless like usual--

Like I said earlier, Kara had absolutely no confidence whatsoever at that point--

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/Comparing/Heroes/Supergirl/PowersDeveloping/Krypto/th_SUPERMAN-BATMAN9-PG02-03.jpg http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/Comparing/Heroes/Supergirl/PowersDeveloping/Krypto/th_SUPERMAN-BATMAN9-PG04.jpg

And her powers were still developing. Superman didn't even know she had x-ray vision.

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/Comparing/Heroes/Supergirl/PowersDeveloping/Krypto/th_SUPERMAN-BATMAN9-PG14.jpg

In fact your very scan was debunked a couple times before you even posted it!!

Originally posted by Q99
(And if we're talking restraints, WW could one-arm SG before she had training).

Originally posted by abhilegend
That's because Supergirl was afraid of using her powers at that time. Just two issues later Superman and Batman said that she might be stronger than superman himself. Wonder Woman must be stronger than superman too, right?

Originally posted by Q99
There is still the matter of Diana one-arm restraining her, or the other times Wondy's gone head to head with Supergirl.

Originally posted by abhilegend
That was when Kara was afraid of using her powers on anyone. Two issues later she was going to kill Superman with her bare hands after she let go due to black kryptonite. At that time Krypto sent her packing in fear and Artemis knocked her on her ass. That doesn't mean they were as powerful as Kara. Also what time she has gone toe to toe with Kara?

Originally posted by Delta1938
Yes, do leave out that Kara's powers were still developing AND she had no confidence. And what times have they gone head to head?

carver9

Originally posted by Delta1938
I know.

And it was debunked.

In fact your very scan was debunked a couple times before you even posted it!!

OK, I wasn't talking about that scan even though it isn't debunked. I'm talking about the punch she landed on Batman that was said to be comparable to Superman punch. In the same issue, it was said that Wonder Woman is more dangerous than everyone out there.

carver9

Take out the most dangerous one first.

https://arousinggrammardotcom.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/supermanbatmanswitch39.jpg

And yes, Supergirl is on the battlefield.

https://arousinggrammardotcom.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/supermanbatmanswitch36.jpg

Wonder Woman stomps.

Delta1938

Originally posted by carver9
OK, I wasn't talking about that scan even though it isn't debunked. I'm talking about the punch she landed on Batman that was said to be comparable to Superman punch. In the same issue, it was said that Wonder Woman is more dangerous than everyone out there.

laughing

It has been debunked. Kara had no confidence whatsoever and her powers were still developing.

So an iffy statement because Batman was punched? That's all ya got?

carver9

Originally posted by Delta1938
laughing

It has been debunked. Kara had no confidence whatsoever and her powers were still developing.

So an iffy statement because Batman was punched? That's all ya got?

It wasn't debunked and during that time, Batman commented on Super girl cells absorbing more sunlight than Superman.

I don't need anything else. Proof brother, proof.

Cogito

WW would win a straight up fight, but this is a wash.

Supergirl may (and I can't emphasize that enough) have a slight edge in strength, but WW should have the endurance and willpower to take a beating longer before going down.

h1a8

Originally posted by Cogito
WW would win a straight up fight, but this is a wash.

Supergirl may (and I can't emphasize that enough) have a slight edge in strength, but WW should have the endurance and willpower to take a beating longer before going down. That's exactly what I said. But delta gave me flack about it. Diana can take more punishment before giving up. Kara may be a little stronger though (not by a lot).

abhilegend

Originally posted by h1a8
That's exactly what I said. But delta gave me flack about it. Diana can take more punishment before giving up. Kara may be a little stronger though (not by a lot).
By what account Diana can take more damage than Kara?

erm

Delta1938

Originally posted by carver9
It wasn't debunked and during that time, Batman commented on Super girl cells absorbing more sunlight than Superman.

I don't need anything else. Proof brother, proof.

What kinda idiot would take proof that her powers were still developing(which was shown, your argument is dumb) and she had no confidence whatsoever as your example not being debunked? Anyways I've got something a lot better than you even if we were to accept it as legit.

Originally posted by Cogito
WW would win a straight up fight, but this is a wash.

Supergirl may (and I can't emphasize that enough) have a slight edge in strength, but WW should have the endurance and willpower to take a beating longer before going down.

Originally posted by h1a8
That's exactly what I said. But delta gave me flack about it. Diana can take more punishment before giving up. Kara may be a little stronger though (not by a lot).

Originally posted by h1a8
That's exactly what I said. But delta gave me flack about it. Diana can take more punishment before giving up. Kara may be a little stronger though (not by a lot).

A little stronger?

Supergirl restraining a mind controlled Hercules until she grabs the Golden Fleece.

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/Comparing/Heroes/Supergirl/Hercules/th_WONDER-GIRL6-PG05.jpg http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/Comparing/Heroes/Supergirl/Hercules/th_WONDER-GIRL6-PG06.jpg

Wonder Woman cheap shots Hercules tries restraining him.

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Delta1938

But wait, remember Hercules had the Golden Fleece when Supergirl was restraining him? Yeah, so Hercules was stronger than normal. It empowers Olympian. Assuming this is still canon Post-CRISIS, he described it as giving him Hercules' strength.

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/Comparing/Heroes/Olympian/Miscellaneous/th_DC-COMICS-PRESENTS46-PG08.jpg

Although he started the fight with a cheap shot, he wrecked J'onn.

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Olympian fights a mind controlled Hercules, says he has Hercules' strength, and we do see him in a strength lock until his wrists break(hey, he didn't say he has Hercules' durability).

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/Comparing/Miscellaneous/Hercules/OlympianWG5/th_WONDER-GIRL5-PG04-05.jpg http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/Comparing/Miscellaneous/Hercules/OlympianWG5/th_WONDER-GIRL5-PG07.jpg http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/Comparing/Miscellaneous/Hercules/OlympianWG5/th_WONDER-GIRL5-PG13.jpghttp://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/Comparing/Miscellaneous/Hercules/OlympianWG5/th_WONDER-GIRL5-PG14.jpg

Even if you don't accept Olympian having Hercules' actual strength, he's obviously superhumanly strong, so Hercules was stronger when Kara was restraining him than he was when he tossed Diana.

h1a8

Originally posted by Delta1938
What kinda idiot would take proof that her powers were still developing(which was shown, your argument is dumb) and she had no confidence whatsoever as your example not being debunked? Anyways I've got something a lot better than you even if we were to accept it as legit.

A little stronger?

Supergirl restraining a mind controlled Hercules until she grabs the Golden Fleece.

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/Comparing/Heroes/Supergirl/Hercules/th_WONDER-GIRL6-PG05.jpg http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/Comparing/Heroes/Supergirl/Hercules/th_WONDER-GIRL6-PG06.jpg

Wonder Woman cheap shots Hercules tries restraining him.

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Kara didn't restrain him. He wasn't applying much strength in grabbing the woman. That's like straightening my arms out when I'm not fighting against it. When he just applied a little strength he sent her back casually.

I disagree that the fleece ADDED strength to him.
In WW case, she restrained him too (to the ground). But he easily pushed her back because of his connection to the ground. WW had nothing to push against to fight his push. Anyway, these showings do not show SG is stronger (not even a little). In direct comparison WW is shown a physical peer to SG.

Lastly it is stated that WW is STRONGER than that of Hercules (from her powers).

Delta1938

Originally posted by h1a8
Kara didn't restrain him. He wasn't applying much strength in grabbing the woman. That's like straightening my arms out when I'm not fighting against it. When he just applied a little strength he sent her back casually.

I disagree that the fleece ADDED strength to him.
In WW case, she restrained him too (to the ground). But he easily pushed her back because of his connection to the ground. WW had nothing to push against to fight his push. Anyway, these showings do not show SG is stronger (not even a little). In direct comparison WW is shown a physical peer to SG.

laughing

Cogito

Only way you get Kara looking better against Hercules in that scene is if you're looking hard for reasons to make it true. erm

h1a8

Originally posted by Delta1938
laughing

Dude, Kara was restraining him for two panels until she got the Golden Fleece.

Prove it didn't add to his strength. Wonder Girl was healed by it(one of its powers) when she was laying on it, don't see why Hercules wearing it wouldn't add to his strength.

If that were the case, I'd think Wonder Woman would try something else than to try restraining him that way. I could just as easily point-out she has flight that can be used to counter what you're arguing gave Hercules the advantage. Without some statement to support your stance, I'll take this as a concession that her skill isn't all that in any non-slugfest topics, thanks.

EDIT: Missed this part.

Yeah, it's stated. Not sure what there is to actually prove it. But regardless of if she actually is or not(haven't seen enough actual examples), it's irrelevant as he overpowers her attempt and Kara out-performed him with Herc WEARING the Golden Fleece. Being healed by something doesn't mean it makes you stronger. Thor's hammer doesn't add strength to Thor, but only to those OTHERS who are worthy. A random comic book object doesn't add strength unless it could be proven to.

2 panels could be 2-5seconds. If you look at his face then you would see he's not exerting any force. He's not straining at all. He's not fighting against her.

WW wasn't actively using flight there. At best we can say he's stronger than both. If Kara was stronger (or strong as)than him then explain why she got overpowered very easily?

I don't use these type of showings to prove strength. That's because characters are usually not applying all their strength when holding someone and are surprised when they get thrown back.

Anyway he EASILY sent them both back against their will without much effort. That proves that this scene is inconclusive to who's stronger.

Delta1938

Originally posted by Cogito
Only way you get Kara looking better against Hercules in that scene is if you're looking hard for reasons to make it true. erm

That's your response?

Originally posted by h1a8
Being healed by something doesn't mean it makes you stronger. Thor's hammer doesn't add strength to Thor, but only to those OTHERS who are worthy. A random comic book object doesn't add strength unless it could be proven to.

The burden of proof is on you to prove that it didn't add to his strength. We have it being brought up that Wonder Girl needs the Gauntlet of Atlas after Hercules gets the Golden Fleece.

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/Comparing/Heroes/Supergirl/Hercules/th_WONDER-GIRL5-PG17.jpg

"Here, quickly...take the Gauntlet...looks like you're going to need it......because now he's wearing the Golden Fleece?!"

"Crap on toast."

It was also noted again that Hercules had the Golden Fleece(by one of the Female Furies) and Wonder Girl had the Gauntlet Of Atlas(by the Titans). So, it specifically being brought up he's wearing it, and Wonder Girl is using the Gauntlet Of Atlas, but that isn't writer intent that he was stronger with it?

Originally posted by h1a8
2 panels could be 2-5seconds. If you look at his face then you would see he's not exerting any force. He's not straining at all. He's not fighting against her.

That's not a very good counter. laughing

Originally posted by h1a8
WW wasn't actively using flight there. At best we can say he's stronger than both. If Kara was stronger (or strong as)than him then explain why she got overpowered very easily?

Prove Wonder Woman wasn't, as well as Hercules used the ground. Or drop both. I'm fine with either.

And if you didn't notice, she was going for getting the Golden Fleece, because Olympian needed it to heal his wrists.

Originally posted by h1a8
I don't use these type of showings to prove strength. That's because characters are usually not applying all their strength when holding someone and are surprised when they get thrown back.

Anyway he EASILY sent them both back against their will without much effort. That proves that this scene is inconclusive to who's stronger.

You don't use these types of showings because, to be frank, you don't understand comics.

Kara's grip potentially being loose when she got the Golden Fleece couldn't possibly have anything to do with it, could it? hmm

Cogito

Originally posted by Delta1938
erm

That's your response?

Yes. The only way you make "restraining" someone for 1-2 panels look definitively better than making him eat dirt is if you try really hard.

I put "restraining" in quotes because the first panel she didn't even have a grip on him and after the second he tossed her aside like a $2 whore.

Even taking into account the fleece debate, calling one or the other superior based on a panel or two is ridiculous.

h1a8

Originally posted by Delta1938
erm

That's your response?

The burden of proof is on you to prove that it didn't add to his strength. We have it being brought up that Wonder Girl needs the Gauntlet of Atlas after Hercules gets the Golden Fleece.

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/Comparing/Heroes/Supergirl/Hercules/th_WONDER-GIRL5-PG17.jpg

"Here, quickly...take the Gauntlet...looks like you're going to need it......because now he's wearing the Golden Fleece?!"

"Crap on toast."

It was also noted again that Hercules had the Golden Fleece(by one of the Female Furies) and Wonder Girl had the Gauntlet Of Atlas(by the Titans). So, it specifically being brought up he's wearing it, and Wonder Girl is using the Gauntlet Of Atlas, but that isn't writer intent that he was stronger with it?

That's not a very good counter. laughing

Prove Wonder Woman wasn't, as well as Hercules used the ground. Or drop both. I'm fine with either.

And if you didn't notice, she was going for getting the Golden Fleece, because Olympian needed it to heal his wrists.

You don't use these types of showings because, to be frank, you don't understand comics.

Kara's grip potentially being loose when she got the Golden Fleece couldn't possibly have anything to do with it, could it? hmm
Ok I concede. You are right since in the scan it wasn't Hercules (I thought is was at first). But why is she calling him Hercules? Is he possessed by Hercules or is he really Hercules?

The fleece adds strength to anyone who is not Hercules strength or more.

Where your argument fails is when the Olympian (Hercules?) EASILY overpowered Kara, sent her back without much effort (after she took the fleece).
In fact, Kara didn't do anything but hold someone's arms without them fighting against it. So theoretically, she exerted a small fraction of the force that Hercules could exert.
Also, his eyes are still glowing red with power. This means he still retains the strength of Hercules.

So again this doesn't show Kara being stronger than WW.

Delta1938

Originally posted by Cogito
Yes. The only way you make "restraining" someone for 1-2 panels look definitively better than making him eat dirt is if you try really hard.

I put "restraining" in quotes because the first panel she didn't even have a grip on him and after the second he tossed her aside like a $2 whore.

Even taking into account the fleece debate, calling one or the other superior based on a panel or two is ridiculous.

Except the parts where she does grab on. Or thinking that Wonder Woman flying in suddenly and punching him had nothing to do with him eating dirt. erm

Thanks for playing, we have some wonderful consolation prizes!!

Cogito

Originally posted by Delta1938
Except the parts where she does grab on. Or thinking that Wonder Woman flying in suddenly and punching him had nothing to do with him eating dirt. erm

Thanks for playing, we have some wonderful consolation prizes!!

Right, she had him grappled for one panel, not two.

And did WW pinning him on the ground have to do with the earlier punch? I don't know, and neither do you. We don't know what happened between panels, which is exactly why it's so stupid to make definitive claims based on the most ambiguous of scenes.

Delta1938

Originally posted by h1a8
Ok I concede. You are right since in the scan it wasn't Hercules (I thought is was at first). But why is she calling him Hercules? Is he possessed by Hercules or is he really Hercules?

The fleece adds strength to anyone who is not Hercules strength or more.

Where your argument fails is when the Olympian (Hercules?) EASILY overpowered Kara, sent her back without much effort (after she took the fleece).
In fact, Kara didn't do anything but hold someone's arms without them fighting against it. So theoretically, she exerted a few pounds of force.
Also, his eyes are still glowing red with power. This means he still retains the strength of Hercules.

So again this doesn't show Kara being stronger than WW.

confused

Delta1938

Originally posted by Cogito
Right, she had him grappled for one panel, not two.

And did WW pinning him on the ground have to do with the earlier punch? I don't know, and neither do you. We don't know what happened between panels, which is exactly why it's so stupid to make definitive claims based on the most ambiguous of scenes.

Sure that's all it was.

So now that it was brought to your attention, you brush it off.

Time-Immemorial

Originally posted by abhilegend
Pure slugfest. No skills, just trading punches untill one of them gets KOED. Preboot versions. Who wins?

Dude there is only one time here.

h1a8

Originally posted by abhilegend
By what account Diana can take more damage than Kara?

erm

A few scenes I can remember. Sacrifice is one of them and the fact that she is a warrior born and is highly trained to withstand pain. I never seen Kara get beat very badly or got her bones broken and still be willing to fight. She probably panic and give in if something like that happens.
Kara may be a little more durable, which helps too.

If Kara is stronger and more durable then there is no need for this thread. Right? WW should have something going for her in order to debate. Right?

h1a8

Originally posted by Delta1938
confused

What the **** are you talking about?

Do you have an actual example that proves the Golden Fleece doesn't add strength to Hercules? If so, scan or at least issue reference. I posted it specifically stated that Herc has the Golden Fleece and Wonder Girl's mom said she needed the Gauntlet Of Atlas. Should I post the other scan where each having their item was brought-up like it was relevant?

It's Hercules, and yes, because it's impossible that grabbing the Golden Fleece had nothing to do with her grip being loosened.

And his eyes glowing has nothing to do with the Golden Fleece.

But you don't get the crux of the argument. The fleece giving Hercules extra strength is moot. How can Kara be stronger when Hercules casually knocked her away? That would mean he wasn't using much effort when she was holding him. When he used a little more effort, she flew far away. There was absolutely no strain on his face when he threw her back. So basically, Kara restrained a Hercules using a tiny fraction of his strength.

If the fleece gives extra strength then it no more than doubles Hercules strength (since it gives the strength of Hercules). But Hercules using less than 1/10 of this strength COULD mean that Kara experienced equal force or less than that WW experienced.

quanchi112

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Dude there is only one time here. thumb up

Sin I AM

Delta1938

Originally posted by h1a8
But you don't get the crux of the argument. The fleece giving Hercules extra strength is moot. How can Kara be stronger when Hercules casually knocked her away? That would mean he wasn't using much effort when she was holding him. When he used a little more effort, she flew far away. There was absolutely no strain on his face when he threw her back. So basically, Kara restrained a Hercules using a tiny fraction of his strength.

If the fleece gives extra strength then it no more than doubles Hercules strength (since it gives the strength of Hercules). But Hercules using less than 1/10 of this strength COULD mean that Kara experienced equal force or less than that WW experienced.

Did it cross your mind that maybe, possibly, she had little to no grip on him when she actually got the Golden Fleece so there was less(if any) grip to break?

But I've got a question. Since you're so obsessed with numbers like "50 Earth weights," what do you peg Wonder Woman's strength at?

h1a8

Originally posted by Delta1938
Did it cross your mind that maybe, possibly, she had little to no grip on him when she actually got the Golden Fleece so there was less(if any) grip to break?

But I've got a question. Since you're so obsessed with numbers like "50 Earth weights," what do you peg Wonder Woman's strength at? She was straining in the panel right before he knocked her away. She had a very tight grip and was fighting against him. He broke her grip with ease. WW didn't have a grip either. She was just pinning him down with her weight.

But that's besides the point. Kara didn't do anything strength wise because he wasnt exerting much force against her. His face is very casual as he knocks her away. She was nothing to him.

I would say WW is about 5/7 of Superman's mental block strength on average and about 1/7 of his full strength.

I would say Kara is around 1/5 of Superman's full strength and about par to his everyday mental block strength. So I agree that Kara is a little stronger. WW has the damage soak and pain tolerance though.

Delta1938

Originally posted by h1a8
She was straining in the panel right before he knocked her away. She had a very tight grip and was fighting against him. He broke her grip with ease. WW didn't have a grip either. She was just pinning him down with her weight.

But that's besides the point. Kara didn't do anything strength wise because he wasnt exerting much force against her. His face is very casual as he knocks her away. She was nothing to him.

I would say WW is about 5/7 of Superman's mental block strength on average and about 1/7 of his full strength.

I would say Kara is around 1/5 of Superman's full strength and about par to his everyday mental block strength. So I agree that Kara is a little stronger. WW has the damage soak and pain tolerance though.

Yeah, you're bad at this.

That's not answering what I asked. I want something more like the "50 Earth weights" argument you give for Superman's strength, or argue Namor is mountain level(I think you questioned even that high, but I could be wrong). What would you say for Wonder Woman?

h1a8

Originally posted by Delta1938
Yeah, you're bad at this.

That's not answering what I asked. I want something more like the "50 Earth weights" argument you give for Superman's strength, or argue Namor is mountain level(I think you questioned even that high, but I could be wrong). What would you say for Wonder Woman?

I believe a completely released Superman at full potential is about 50-100 or so Earth weights. WW at extreme best is somewhere between a moon to a single Earth weight. So Superman is many times stronger at the extreme end of things. But Superman operates far under that because of mental blocks. So WW is much closer on average to him.

StiltmanFTW

You and your math...

Crazy. Just crazy.

Time-Immemorial

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
You and your math...

Crazy. Just crazy.

You and your mouth though ..

Delta1938

Originally posted by h1a8
I believe a completely released Superman at full potential is about 50-100 or so Earth weights. WW at extreme best is somewhere between a moon to a single Earth weight. So Superman is many times stronger at the extreme end of things. But Superman operates far under that because of mental blocks. So WW is much closer on average to him.

So your absolute maximum for Wonder Woman is less than the size of Earth.

http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/063/491/my_trap_card.jpg

Lobo pulled down the mass of a star.

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/Comparing/Miscellaneous/Lobo/StellarMass/th_REBELS_V2_20-PG11.jpg http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/Comparing/Miscellaneous/Lobo/StellarMass/th_REBELS_V2_20-PG12.jpg

In fact, it's specifically brought up that Lobo lacks leverage and thus illogical he'd try to pull it down and Lobo says he doesn't do logic as he slams it down. That's way, way, way beyond the maximum you give for Wonder Woman, even if I were to round it up to a full Earth weight.

In the full album you can find it being made by imploding a neutron star, and the multiple mentions of it being a star. It even states it has "stellar mass" before Lobo pulls it down.

http://s1199.photobucket.com/user/Delta1938/library/Comparing/Miscellaneous/Lobo/StellarMass

Supergirl arm wrestled Lobo for two hours.

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Considering that Lobo's ego, yeah, I would definitely say he's trying, so your usual dismissal of fights and whatnot do not apply. And for what it's worth, Supergirl later said she let Lobo win.

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/Comparing/Heroes/Supergirl/LoboArmWrestle/th_TEEN-TITANS_V3_50-PG27.jpg

And look back to Lobo not doing logic. Notice how the chains didn't break? Well, Supergirl breaks his chain.

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/Comparing/Heroes/Supergirl/Miscellaneous/th_TEEN-TITANS_V3_50-PG26.jpg

Even if you believe Lobo legitimately won and Supergirl was lying about letting him win and don't think breaking the chain means anything, arm wrestling for 2 hours means he's not that much stronger than her. And by your very own estimates, Lobo is way, way, way, WAY stronger than Wonder Woman, thus putting Supergirl far, far above Wonder Woman. By your own math.

Going to backtrack or concede Supergirl rapestomps?

StiltmanFTW

Originally posted by Delta1938
Supergirl arm wrestled Lobo for two hours.

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/Comparing/Heroes/Supergirl/LoboArmWrestle/th_TheBRAVEandTheBOLD_V3-4-PG06.jpg http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/Comparing/Heroes/Supergirl/LoboArmWrestle/th_TheBRAVEandTheBOLD_V3-4-PG07.jpg

I hired you... to take me...

Now that's something I'd love to see laughing out loud

Delta1938

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
I hired you... to take me...

Now that's something I'd love to see laughing out loud

Well you could Google about them and "Rule 34" if you want that so badly..... eek!

StiltmanFTW

Diana/Lobo is better to google... big grin

Delta1938

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Diana/Lobo is better to google... big grin

Seems like someone has a lot of free time on his hands.....er, uh, hand.....

StiltmanFTW

I'm just a true comic book fan cool

Too bad we can't post that shit here. PG-13 board with some members as old as dinosaurs themselves... *looks at Bada*

Delta1938

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
I'm just a true comic book fan cool

Too bad we can't post that shit here. PG-13 board with some members as old as dinosaurs themselves... *looks at Bada*

hysterical

Also, Bada is no threat, raptors are overrated.

http://www.gavinrymill.com/dinosaurs/veloci/velociraptorReal.gif

JURASSIC PARK lied to us. mad

h1a8

Originally posted by Delta1938
So your absolute maximum for Wonder Woman is less than the size of Earth.

http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/063/491/my_trap_card.jpg

Lobo pulled down the mass of a star.

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/Comparing/Miscellaneous/Lobo/StellarMass/th_REBELS_V2_20-PG11.jpg http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/Comparing/Miscellaneous/Lobo/StellarMass/th_REBELS_V2_20-PG12.jpg

In fact, it's specifically brought up that Lobo lacks leverage and thus illogical he'd try to pull it down and Lobo says he doesn't do logic as he slams it down. That's way, way, way beyond the maximum you give for Wonder Woman, even if I were to round it up to a full Earth weight.

In the full album you can find it being made by imploding a neutron star, and the multiple mentions of it being a star. It even states it has "stellar mass" before Lobo pulls it down.

http://s1199.photobucket.com/user/Delta1938/library/Comparing/Miscellaneous/Lobo/StellarMass

Supergirl arm wrestled Lobo for two hours.

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/Comparing/Heroes/Supergirl/LoboArmWrestle/th_TheBRAVEandTheBOLD_V3-4-PG06.jpg http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/Comparing/Heroes/Supergirl/LoboArmWrestle/th_TheBRAVEandTheBOLD_V3-4-PG07.jpg

Considering that Lobo's ego, yeah, I would definitely say he's trying, so your usual dismissal of fights and whatnot do not apply. And for what it's worth, Supergirl later said she let Lobo win.

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/Comparing/Heroes/Supergirl/LoboArmWrestle/th_TEEN-TITANS_V3_50-PG27.jpg

And look back to Lobo not doing logic. Notice how the chains didn't break? Well, Supergirl breaks his chain.

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/Comparing/Heroes/Supergirl/Miscellaneous/th_TEEN-TITANS_V3_50-PG26.jpg

Even if you believe Lobo legitimately won and Supergirl was lying about letting him win and don't think breaking the chain means anything, arm wrestling for 2 hours means he's not that much stronger than her. And by your very own estimates, Lobo is way, way, way, WAY stronger than Wonder Woman, thus putting Supergirl far, far above Wonder Woman. By your own math.

Going to backtrack or concede Supergirl rapestomps?

1. What was the force keeping the object in the air?
2. The scene doesn't make sense. It even says that Lobo doesnt do logical. Thus the feat is not quantifiable scientifically due to some magical nature of the feat. Yes magical!
3. Characters fluctuate in power from comic to comic. Thing can struggle lifting 100 tons one scene and knock a tremendous amount of blood from WWH in one blow. Gladiator can bash a planet in one scene and fight Colossus for an extended period of time. Drax can rip out a core of a star and bash a planet to pieces and then get manhandled by Mar-Vell.
So it is faulty to equate a character's highest feat with any other showing.
Otherwise, I can say Lobo is weak since he hurt his hand on Darkseid's face where some others didn't.

I bet you something nice that WW can make Lobo struggle in an arm wrestling match if it ever happened.

Delta1938

Originally posted by h1a8
1. What was the force keeping the object in the air?

Check 2.

Originally posted by h1a8
2. The scene doesn't make sense. It even says that Lobo doesnt do logical. Thus the feat is not quantifiable scientifically due to some magical nature of the feat. Yes magical!

That's the point. Your nitpicking is like a physicist complaining about all the inaccuracies in a Sci-Fi or Action movie. Have a little ****ing suspension of disbelief for a minute.

Originally posted by h1a8
3. Characters fluctuate in power from comic to comic. Thing can struggle lifting 100 tons one scene and knock a tremendous amount of blood from WWH in one blow. Gladiator can bash a planet in one scene and fight Colossus for an extended period of time. Drax can rip out a core of a star and bash a planet to pieces and then get manhandled by Mar-Vell.
So it is faulty to equate a character's highest feat with any other showing.
Otherwise, I can say Lobo is weak since he hurt his hand on Darkseid's face where some others didn't.

Hey, guess what? Comics don't work the way you think they do!! But put down those pills!! No need to kill yourself!!

Originally posted by h1a8
I bet you something nice that WW can make Lobo struggle in an arm wrestling match if it ever happened.

Based on what? Pure assumption? By your very own admittance, Wonder Woman is not even one full Earth weight in strength but between one Moon weight and one Earth weight. We actually do have on panel Supergirl stalemating Lobo for 2 hours in arm wrestling therefore she has the strength of roughly one stellar mass, which is many, many times one full Earth weight.

StiltmanFTW

Originally posted by h1a8
2. The scene doesn't make sense. It even says that Lobo doesnt do logical. Thus the feat is not quantifiable scientifically due to some magical nature of the feat. Yes magical!

Toonforce. Lobo's strength level is really absurd sometimes:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/24320/1859023-1517269_scan_loboeatingcity_super.jpg

Originally posted by h1a8
3. Characters fluctuate in power from comic to comic. Thing can struggle lifting 100 tons one scene and knock a tremendous amount of blood from WWH in one blow.

Read WWH first before referencing anything from it.

h1a8

Originally posted by Delta1938
Check 2.

That's the point. Your nitpicking is like a physicist complaining about all the inaccuracies in a Sci-Fi or Action movie. Have a little ****ing suspension of disbelief for a minute.

Hey, guess what? Comics don't work the way you think they do!! But put down those pills!! No need to kill yourself!!

Based on what? Pure assumption? By your very own admittance, Wonder Woman is not even one full Earth weight in strength but between one Moon weight and one Earth weight. We actually do have on panel Supergirl stalemating Lobo for 2 hours in arm wrestling therefore she has the strength of roughly one stellar mass, which is many, many times one full Earth weight.

I can easily use ABC logic to prove A>A.
For example, I can go through powergirl to achieve it.

Characters fluctuate in power from comic to comic. There is no fixed levels. Lobo hurt his hands by hitting DS for crying out loud. That alone proves it.

Diana always seems to do well against Supergirl or powergirl. Thus they can't be that much stronger than her if at all.

So again, you haven't proven that Kara is stronger.

h1a8

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Toonforce. Lobo's strength level is really absurd sometimes:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/24320/1859023-1517269_scan_loboeatingcity_super.jpg

Read WWH first before referencing anything from it. I did. Everything I said is spot on. Thing hit a good deal of blood from WWH. WWH was much more durable than Savage Hulk according to Logan and by the fact he was a lot stronger. Thing never really hit blood from a weaker Hulk. Once Thing failed to even affect Hulk with his best punch.

Delta1938

Originally posted by h1a8
I can easily use ABC logic to prove A>A.
For example, I can go through powergirl to achieve it.

Characters fluctuate in power from comic to comic. There is no fixed levels. Diana always seems to do well against Supergirl or powergirl. Thus they can't be that much stronger than her if at all.

Lobo hurt his hands by hitting DS for crying out loud. That alone proves it.

So again, you haven't proven that Kara is stronger.

Actually that won't work for you because Power Girl has shown to be stronger. In this very topic. Wonder Woman wins a regular fight because more skilled, but it doesn't mean she's stronger.

You arguing this doesn't change the fact that there's something in comics called a "hierarchy" and you totally dismissing fights 9 times out of 10 is incorrect and shows an insane inability to understand the very topic you debate.

Also I used to give you credit for at least being consistent, except when it comes to Spider-Man, but now you're devolving from someone I at least had some respect for over consistentcy in HOW you debate, regardless of how wrong it usually is, to someone who's now changing his tune when it suits him. As you'd normally not bring-up what you exclaim as "PIS!!!"

It's shit like this that convinces me you've never actually read a single comic in your life and only know them from seeing scans.

h1a8

Originally posted by Delta1938
Actually that won't work for you because Power Girl has shown to be stronger. In this very topic. Wonder Woman wins a regular fight because more skilled, but it doesn't mean she's stronger.

You arguing this doesn't change the fact that there's something in comics called a "hierarchy" and you totally dismissing fights 9 times out of 10 is incorrect and shows an insane inability to understand the very topic you debate.

Also I used to give you credit for at least being consistent, except when it comes to Spider-Man, but now you're devolving from someone I at least had some respect for over consistentcy in HOW you debate, regardless of how wrong it usually is, to someone who's now changing his tune when it suits him. As you'd normally not bring-up what you exclaim as "PIS!!!"

It's shit like this that convinces me you've never actually read a single comic in your life and only know them from seeing scans.

Actually it was shown in some scenes that WW is stronger than powergirl.
I'm very consistent. Unless I'm proven wrong. I'm true to myself as Thanos would say.

Skill can't overcome someone who is many times stronger than you. You simply wouldn't be able to affect them well enough.

h1a8

I never said WW is stronger. I even admitted that Kara is stronger. I'm just saying not by much. Most people here would agree with me

Delta1938

Originally posted by h1a8
Actually it was shown in some scenes that WW is stronger than powergirl.
I'm very consistent. Unless I'm proven wrong. I'm true to myself as Thanos would say.

Skill can't overcome someone who is many times stronger than you. You simply wouldn't be able to affect them well enough.

Well, I know after INFINITE CRISIS and Power Girl being Kryptonian again, she was beating on Wonder Woman with Diana saying, "She's AT LEAST as strong and fast as I am!!" before being all "Wait, I'm an Amazon, I need to actually fight like one" meaning the best you could argue from that is Wonder Woman is equal in strength. Power Girl has caught Wonder Woman's punch. Anything you have that isn't from before they made her a Kryptonian again?

I'm not seeing it anymore. Maybe you think so, but I'm no longer agreeing.

Skill can't overcome someone many times stronger than you? H1, meet Karate Kid. He says Hi--YAHHHHHHH!!!!

Delta1938

Originally posted by h1a8
I never said WW is stronger. I even admitted that Kara is stronger. I'm just saying not by much. Most people here would agree with me

Nope. You're not going to keep saying fights don't count, put an example of how strong you think Wonder Woman is, get proven by your own logic that you previously shown that Supergirl is a bazillion stephtrillion zillion times stronger, and then nitpick and backtrack all so you can simultaneously not concede Supergirl is way stronger(by your very logic) while trying to argue fights are irrelevant.

iceman24567

Isn't Wonder Woman known for beating people way stronger than her due to her skill? Same for Adam Warlock no expression

. WTF is h1 talking about

Delta1938

Originally posted by iceman24567
Isn't Wonder Woman known for beating people way stronger than her due to her skill? Same for Adam Warlock no expression

. WTF is h1 talking about

Yep. Another example, Orion was matching Darkseid hand-to-hand in his self titled series despite pretty consistently being manhandled easily, because of skill. To top it off, Darkseid showed some pretty good skill too, making the skill showing for Orion even better.

StiltmanFTW

Originally posted by h1a8
I did. Everything I said is spot on.

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Originally posted by h1a8

Thing hit a good deal of blood from WWH. WWH was much more durable than Savage Hulk according to Logan and by the fact he was a lot stronger. Thing never really hit blood from a weaker Hulk. Once Thing failed to even affect Hulk with his best punch.

I said it a million times, but your skull is thicker than the ones laced with adamantium.

WWH just got fried... by Storm and HT using his nova attack. Drawing blood from him in such state is not impressive at all.

We can say that Moon Knight has one-shotted Count Nefaria with a punch... if we ignore that Thor has struck him one panel before that.

h1a8

Originally posted by Delta1938
Nope. You're not going to keep saying fights don't count, put an example of how strong you think Wonder Woman is, get proven by your own logic that you previously shown that Supergirl is a bazillion stephtrillion zillion times stronger, and then nitpick and backtrack all so you can simultaneously not concede Supergirl is way stronger(by your very logic) while trying to argue fights are irrelevant. I never said fights don't count. I'm just saying you can't equate someone's highest feat with any other random showing. They are operating at different strength levels at different times.
Again, I can show WW being in the vicinity of Powergirl (if not stronger) and Powergirl being stronger than Kara. I can show Lobo being weak as shit. I can show Gladiator being strong as shit and then weak as shit. I can go on and on.

h1a8

Originally posted by iceman24567
Isn't Wonder Woman known for beating people way stronger than her due to her skill? Same for Adam Warlock no expression

. WTF is h1 talking about Learn to read. I say "MANY TIMES STRONGER", not "stronger".
If someone is 100 times stronger or more then the weaker simply can't affect the stronger without some serious PIS.

h1a8

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
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I said it a million times, but your skull is thicker than the ones laced with adamantium.

WWH just got fried... by Storm and HT using his nova attack. Drawing blood from him in such state is not impressive at all.

We can say that Moon Knight has one-shotted Count Nefaria with a punch... if we ignore that Thor has struck him one panel before that.
Hulk being attack doesn't lower his durability. That's super dumb. I didn't see any damage on WWH when Thing struck him. Thing hit blood from WWH, not koed him (BIG DIFFERENCE).

Most importantly, this stuff never happened. There is no such logic as you are using. The writer wasn't thinking about that when Thing struck WWH. The writer believed Thing had such power.

h1a8

Originally posted by Delta1938
Well, I know after INFINITE CRISIS and Power Girl being Kryptonian again, she was beating on Wonder Woman with Diana saying, "She's AT LEAST as strong and fast as I am!!" before being all "Wait, I'm an Amazon, I need to actually fight like one" meaning the best you could argue from that is Wonder Woman is equal in strength. Power Girl has caught Wonder Woman's punch. Anything you have that isn't from before they made her a Kryptonian again?

I'm not seeing it anymore. Maybe you think so, but I'm no longer agreeing.

Skill can't overcome someone many times stronger than you? H1, meet Karate Kid. He says Hi--YAHHHHHHH!!!!

Karate Kid is the exception. He has techniques that specializes the damaging things much more durable than him (chi power, etc.).