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H/P doomsday vs king thor

BFR is the only option.

Other wise it's a win for HP Doomsday.

Originally posted by ToughMind
BFR is the only option.

Other wise it's a win for HP Doomsday.

Agreed.

King Thor stomps.

King Thor with out too much trouble.

Thors Hammer Wins

Bfr is off.

Originally posted by Boss16
Bfr is off. Good point.

King Thor really easily.

King Thor

Originally posted by carver9
King Thor stomps. you wanna rethink that...HP DD treated Darkseid like a ragdoll

Originally posted by Starscream M
you wanna rethink that...HP DD treated Darkseid like a ragdoll

King Thor beat the Destroyer with a single hit and ripped Cap shield to shreds. Destroyer>Darkseid.

Originally posted by carver9
King Thor beat the Destroyer with a single hit and ripped Cap shield to shreds. Destroyer>Darkseid. how is he beating DD?

Originally posted by Starscream M
how is he beating DD?

By being more powerful.

...........

Thor rapes.

Thor molests him. I don't think it will be rape.

KT for the win.

KT wins.

KT wrecks. spite

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/King%20Thor/DefeatsDesak22.jpg

Except Doomsday doesn't get a neat ol Amulet that makes him immune to Thor's powers.

King Thor rapes.

DD is far faster than KT. KT would have a hard time attacking.
DD heals instantly. KT would lose progress several times.
DD adapts to any opponent that can't kill him instantly, that's his intent.
DD has bony protrusions that could mortally injure KT at any instant

Originally posted by h1a8
DD is far faster than KT. KT would have a hard time attacking.
DD heals instantly. KT would lose progress several times.
DD adapts to any opponent that can't kill him instantly, that's his intent. Wrong.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Wrong.
If any of my statements are wrong then prove them wrong. That's called debating. Saying wrong is called trolling.

Originally posted by h1a8
If any of my statements are wrong then prove them wrong. That's called debating. Saying wrong is called trolling. Everything you said is wrong. You need to read up before debating.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Everything you said is wrong. You need to read up before debating. again you are trolling. If you are going to comment on what I said then you have to debate.

I gave reasoning of why I think dd wins. If you disagree with any reasoning then point it out and explain why or just ignore.

Originally posted by h1a8
again you are trolling. If you are going to comment on what I said then you have to debate.

I gave reasoning of why I think dd wins. If you disagree with any reasoning then point it out and explain why or just ignore. DD isn't fast and is caught by many attacks in the arc. You didn't read it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
DD isn't fast and is caught by many attacks in the arc. You didn't read it. dd is much faster than Thor. His combat speed rivals Superman himself. Most attacks that hit him were just as fast if not faster. Plus PIS is found in comics. Using low showings or PIS showings doesn't take away what a character is able to do in a forum fight. Especially under the full capacity rule.

Originally posted by h1a8
dd is much faster than Thor. His combat speed rivals Superman himself. Most attacks that hit him were just as fast if not faster. Plus PIS is found in comics. Using low showings or PIS showings doesn't take away what a character is able to do in a forum fight. Especially under the full capacity rule. No, it doesn't. Thor is too powerful for Dd. Hammer toss takes care of DD.

Time stop.
Eyebeams capable of rolfstomping adamantium and Cap's shield.
Mjolnir toss capable of one shot killing a Desak occupied Destroyer (Desak's gimmick was that he was designed to kill gods and grow immune to their power, yet King Thor was powerful enough to just not give a shit).

King Thor beats the crap out of him.

H/P Doomsday was shredding Imperiex Probes left and right. The only thing that was able to stop him was Imperiex himself by hitting him with Entropy itself. The only thing that has outright kill H/P DD.

This is not an easy fight for either fighters, but to say Thor easily beats him is asinine.

Thor's best chance is to BFR DD. If not, outright kill him like Imperiex did, and if he can't, DD would just evolve and kill him.

Or by blasting him with enough force that destroyed two of some of the most durable things in comics.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Or by blasting him with enough force that destroyed two of some of the most durable things in comics.
Jurgens' superman was able to withstand adamantium cutting lasers much less his doomsday.

shifty

Originally posted by abhilegend
Jurgens' superman was able to withstand adamantium cutting lasers much less his doomsday.

shifty

Jurgens' King Thor would defecate on both.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Or by blasting him with enough force that destroyed two of some of the most durable things in comics.

That's all fine and dandy, but DD survived Darkseid Omega Beams, this was a Darkseid that had few low showings.

Took and evolve from hits from a Superman that was amp by a mother box and still kept coming.

Evolve to a point of being able to rip the Radiant in half, took chronal energy blast from Waverider and kept coming for more.

DD doesn't tired, he doesn't get hungry, nor fatigues. All those plays out in him winning this fight.

Unless Thor bfr him, or one hit kill him, DD wins this fight.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Jurgens' King Thor would defecate on both.
Eh, not really. Its about even. Darkseid vaporized missiles which superman couldn't even damage at less than full power and Doomsday tanked OB suckershot at full power. King Thor is powerful, but he isn't anywhere near Imperiex's power to kill Doomsday. BTW Doomsday's bones endured entropy itself, King Thor isn't melting them or something.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Eh, not really. Its about even. Darkseid vaporized missiles which superman couldn't even damage at less than full power and Doomsday tanked OB suckershot at full power. King Thor is powerful, but he isn't anywhere near Imperiex's power to kill Doomsday. BTW Doomsday's bones endured entropy itself, King Thor isn't melting them or something.



It's true that his bones survived the blast from Imperiex, so if Thor can muster a blast just as strong, he wins.

Though i don't see Thor being able to do that.

Has king thor ever time stopped?

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Has king thor ever time stopped?
Yes, but its not a complete game changer. Waverider has better time manipulation than KT and Doomsday adapted to his chronal energies quite easily.

Wouldn't the adaption against Waverider's chronal powers render Thor's time manip moot in this instance?

Originally posted by Epicurus
Wouldn't the adaption against Waverider's chronal powers render Thor's time manip moot in this instance?
Eh, I can see the argument about that attack not being time stop or something. But yes, it should.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Time stop.
Eyebeams capable of rolfstomping adamantium and Cap's shield.
Mjolnir toss capable of one shot killing a Desak occupied Destroyer (Desak's gimmick was that he was designed to kill gods and grow immune to their power, yet King Thor was powerful enough to just not give a shit).

King Thor beats the crap out of him. I wager those missiles that Superman couldn't put a scratch on is in the vicinity of those durable objects that Thor damaged. At half power the OB vaporized them. Thor never vaporized those objects and they were smaller. At full power DD tanked the OB. So it's fair to say that Thor isn't doing anything to DD energy projection wise.

Time stop is an option but something tells me that Thor isn't going to fight like that.

I'd like to see you prove that those missiles were as durable as Cap's shield.

Does anybody have feats that proves their character is faster/stronger/or more durable.

Originally posted by Silent Master
I'd like to see you prove that those missiles were as durable as Cap's shield. I said in the vicinity. Bronze is in the vicinity as steel although steel is stronger. superman has strength feats on par or above anything caps shield has faced. At less than half power the OB vaporized those missiles. That means that at full power the OB can vaporize something several times more durable. And the OB can damage (not vaporize) something many times more durable than those missiles.

DD tanked that attack without damage. That means he can withstand an attack multiple times more powerful. That means DD can survive an attack many many times more durable than those missiles.

All of Superman's might and no damage whatsoever -> a material at least in thevvicinity as Cap's shield.

Fine, I'd like to see you prove that their durability was in the vicinity of Cap's shield.

Thor.

Thor

Random missiles Darkseid vaporized are being cited as durable or more durable as Cap's shield, adamantium, and the Destroyer Armor?

lawl

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Random missiles Darkseid vaporized are being cited as durable or more durable as Cap's shield, adamantium, and the Destroyer Armor?

lawl H1 has argued that that is above anything Thanos has ever done.

I suspect he's doing the same here with King Thor

ugggh

King Thor's most powerful attack would have bounced harmlessly off those missiles tbh

I'd like to see Doomsday up against those eye beams. It won't be as bad as what happened with Imperiex though.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Random missiles Darkseid vaporized are being cited as durable or more durable as Cap's shield, adamantium, and the Destroyer Armor?

lawl Jake it's not like you to troll the thread. No one even claimed that. Please read my last posts to know what'sgoing on.

Originally posted by SquallX
H/P Doomsday was shredding Imperiex Probes left and right. The only thing that was able to stop him was Imperiex himself by hitting him with Entropy itself. The only thing that has outright kill H/P DD.

This is not an easy fight for either fighters, but to say Thor easily beats him is asinine.

Thor's best chance is to BFR DD. If not, outright kill him like Imperiex did, and if he can't, DD would just evolve and kill him. Thor wins, easily. Doomsday and Superman would be child's play to this Thor.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Eh, not really. Its about even. Darkseid vaporized missiles which superman couldn't even damage at less than full power and Doomsday tanked OB suckershot at full power. King Thor is powerful, but he isn't anywhere near Imperiex's power to kill Doomsday. BTW Doomsday's bones endured entropy itself, King Thor isn't melting them or something.

Why not ? Imperiex easily killed him and Thor beheaded the Destroyer armor. Thor easily wins.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Fine, I'd like to see you prove that their durability was in the vicinity of Cap's shield. I did. Here it is again

1. Superman has strength feats in the vicinity of the shit Cap shield has faced.

2. All of Superman's might and no damage whatsoever -> material in the vicinity of cap's shield.

Originally posted by h1a8
I did. Here it is again

1. Superman has strength feats in the vicinity of the shit Cap shield has faced.

2. All of Superman's might and no damage whatsoever -> material in the vicinity of cap's shield.

Except, Superman has zero strength feats to suggest that he can damage Cap's shield, so try again.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Except, Superman has zero strength feats to suggest that he can damage Cap's shield, so try again.

Superman could break that shield in two and you know it

Originally posted by Silent Master
Except, Superman has zero strength feats to suggest that he can damage Cap's shield, so try again. yet caps shield has 0 durability feats to suggest than it can withstand a force twice of Superman's might.

Originally posted by h1a8
yet caps shield has 0 durability feats to suggest than it can withstand a force twice of Superman's might.

Except for all the times it's withstood hits from top tiers, including Gladiator. Now, prove the missiles have the durability you're claiming.

Originally posted by Supra
Superman could break that shield in two and you know it

Not on his best day.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Except for all the times it's withstood hits from top tiers, including Gladiator. Now, prove the missiles have the durability you're claiming.



Not on his best day. withstanding hits from top tiers doesn't mean it can withstand hits from a being twice the strength of Superman. It doesn't mean it could withstand hits from Superman himself.

Originally posted by h1a8
withstanding hits from top tiers doesn't mean it can withstand hits from a being twice the strength of Superman. It doesn't mean it could withstand hits from Superman himself.

Prove the missiles have the durability you're claiming

Originally posted by Silent Master
Prove the missiles have the durability you're claiming

I did.
Here is a different and more detailed version.

1. Cap's shield has never endured the might of something twice Superman's might.
Thus it's durability is lower than twice Superman's might by default.

2. Superman, using all of his might couldn't even scratch the missiles.

3. At less than half power, the OB vaporized the missiles proving that at full power the OB is more than 5 times more power than Superman's might. Note: vaporizing something takes more than a thousand times more power than just damaging something.

Conclusion:
It follows that Cap's shield is weaker than those missiles in durability. But I'm giving Cap's shield the benefit of the doubt since it is well known. So those missiles are close to the durability to Cap's shield.

So your real stance is that the shield is weaker, I'd love to see you prove that with actual feats and not more of your retarded speculation.

Is H1 arguing that the Omega Beams can vaporize Captain America's shield?



Fyi, Superman, especially at the level he was at during Hunter Prey mini wouldn't scratch the shield either.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Is H1 arguing that the Omega Beams can vaporize Captain America's shield?



Actually, he's arguing that they would vaporize the shield even at less than half power.

He also said Superman would break Cap shield in half. Dont know how he get away with all the thing he states on the forum. Seem like he has an impenetrable force field around his body.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
ugggh

Originally posted by Silent Master
Actually, he's arguing that they would vaporize the shield even at less than half power.

Smh.

The missiles were shrugging off his heat vision because they were built to withstand re-entry. He couldn't slow them down because they were too big and too fast. This is just for some perspective as to Superman's state.

Superman wouldn't have done shit to the shield either. Neither would the Omega Beams.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Is H1 arguing that the Omega Beams can vaporize Captain America's shield?



Fyi, Superman, especially at the level he was at during Hunter Prey mini wouldn't scratch the shield either.

Why won't it? At less than half power it vaporized two giant objects that Superman couldn't put a scratch on. Thus the OB shown was more than a million times more power than Superman himself. Is the shield a million times more powerful than Superman? Hell no!

Originally posted by Silent Master
So your real stance is that the shield is weaker, I'd love to see you prove that with actual feats and not more of your retarded speculation.

I did prove it. I said the shield has no feats of withstanding forces more than twice the power of Superman. This proves it.

H1's definition of "provong something" is to make an assertion and then shift the burden of proof onto others.

Don't really know why people still fall for this.

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd247/kjs1982/Astro-Harness/AstroForceBlocksOmegaBeams1.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/6/67877/1913132-jla185_24.jpg

http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/228/takingomegabeams6thoy8.jpg
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/7701/takingomegabeams29nanh6.jpg
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/1788/takingomegabeams37fizd5.jpg
http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/4177/takingomegabeams44rgcj7.jpg
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/5721/takingomegabeams51xlqs4.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/33308/1529972-pis.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/2532/990736-supermanbatman01328jq.jpg

ETC.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd247/kjs1982/Astro-Harness/AstroForceBlocksOmegaBeams1.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/6/67877/1913132-jla185_24.jpg

http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/228/takingomegabeams6thoy8.jpg
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/7701/takingomegabeams29nanh6.jpg
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/1788/takingomegabeams37fizd5.jpg
http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/4177/takingomegabeams44rgcj7.jpg
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/5721/takingomegabeams51xlqs4.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/33308/1529972-pis.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/2532/990736-supermanbatman01328jq.jpg

ETC.

Originally posted by h1a8
I did prove it. I said the shield has no feats of withstanding forces more than twice the power of Superman. This proves it.

No, you made unsupported statements, you in no way proved that the OB being more powerful than that version of Superman means that the missiles were as/more durable than the shield.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd247/kjs1982/Astro-Harness/AstroForceBlocksOmegaBeams1.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/6/67877/1913132-jla185_24.jpg

http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/228/takingomegabeams6thoy8.jpg
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/7701/takingomegabeams29nanh6.jpg
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/1788/takingomegabeams37fizd5.jpg
http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/4177/takingomegabeams44rgcj7.jpg
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/5721/takingomegabeams51xlqs4.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/33308/1529972-pis.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/2532/990736-supermanbatman01328jq.jpg

ETC.

http://i.imgur.com/bkwKq.gif

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
http://i.imgur.com/bkwKq.gif

Originally posted by Silent Master
No, you made unsupported statements, you in no way proved that the OB being more powerful than that version of Superman means that the missiles were as/more durable than the shield.

I proved that the power of the OB was more than a million times more powerful than that version of Superman.

You haven't gave any feats to the shield tanking shit that's beyond twice the power of that Superman.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
H1's definition of "provong something" is to make an assertion and then shift the burden of proof onto others.

Don't really know why people still fall for this.

You didn't read the entire exchange between me and silent master. Silent and others claimed Cap's shield is far more durable than those missiles by implication. They claimed the durability of Cap's shield without proof. So the burden is on them.

Plus if an object doesn't have the feats then we can't give it the durability beyond what it has shown? I explained that the shield doesn't have any feats to warrant it being more durable than a being with twice the power of Superman can't damage. Thus by default we can't give it a higher durability. So where's the shift at?

Originally posted by h1a8
I proved that the power of the OB was more than a million times more powerful than that version of Superman.

No, you didn't.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd247/kjs1982/Astro-Harness/AstroForceBlocksOmegaBeams1.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/6/67877/1913132-jla185_24.jpg

http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/228/takingomegabeams6thoy8.jpg
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/7701/takingomegabeams29nanh6.jpg
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/1788/takingomegabeams37fizd5.jpg
http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/4177/takingomegabeams44rgcj7.jpg
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/5721/takingomegabeams51xlqs4.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/33308/1529972-pis.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/2532/990736-supermanbatman01328jq.jpg

ETC. Now you are trolling. You are using examples from a different comic while I'm arguing the strength of the OB from the very same comic DD experienced them in. You are trolling because you have many times argued the power of an attack based off what it did in the very same comic.

So in the HP comic we clearly see the power of those OB. DD tanked the very same OB at full power.

Originally posted by h1a8
Now you are trolling. You are using examples from a different comic while I'm arguing the strength of the OB from the very same comic DD experienced them in. You are trolling because you have many times argued the power of an attack based off what it did in the very same comic.

So in the HP comic we clearly see the power of those OB. DD tanked the very same OB at full power.

It doesn't work like that buddy. We dont base things off of a single comic. You dont make your own rules here.

Originally posted by Silent Master
No, you didn't.

To vaporize something vs. just damage it a little requires more than hundreds of thousands of times more power. The OB was at less than half power. So that implies it is more than millions of times more powerful than Superman in that arc.

Originally posted by h1a8
To vaporize something vs. just damage it a little requires more than hundreds of thousands of times more power. The OB was at less than half power. So that implies it is more than millions of times more powerful than Superman in that arc.

Where is this stated in the comic?

Originally posted by carver9
It doesn't work like that buddy. We dont base things off of a single comic. You dont make your own rules here.

You are confused. We are arguing how powerful the OB was in that particular arc. We are not arguing how powerful they would be in a forum fight (which is totally different).

Originally posted by Silent Master
Where is this stated in the comic? It's common sense. To vaporize something requires many magnitudes more power than just damaging it a little.

Originally posted by h1a8
It's common sense. To vaporize something requires many magnitudes more power than just damaging it a little.

I'll ask again, where was this stated in the comic?

Originally posted by h1a8
You are confused. We are arguing how powerful the OB was in that particular arc. We are not arguing how powerful they would be in a forum fight (which is totally different).

I'm not confused...we dont base things off of single showings. Example, WWH; we wouldn't base his power level off of a single comic, we use everything as a whole throughout the WWH arc and after if its the same Hulk. Now again, stop making your own rules.

The exact same comic as the one Darkseid vaporized his missiles.

Darkseid had recovered more power at this point in time, if not at full power, and he hit Cyborg Superman with both of his beams:
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/HaCsAHunter-Prey-02-40.jpg
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/HaCsAHunter-Prey-02-41.jpg
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/HaCsAHunter-Prey-02-42.jpg

According to what I'm reading here, Cyborg Superman is at least 2 million times more durable than the missiles, and the OB's were putting out a million times more power than Superman.

Of course, Darkseid destroyed Cyborg Superman taking up a likely weaker body, but he did tank a more powerful attack than what the missiles took initially.



Because as we know, Cyborg Superman is just the meaning of durability. Notice how Superman was ripping apart his shoulder while holding Cyborg up just by grabbing him

You can start reporting h1

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
The exact same comic as the one Darkseid vaporized his missiles.

Darkseid had recovered more power at this point in time, if not at full power, and he hit Cyborg Superman with both of his beams:
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/HaCsAHunter-Prey-02-40.jpg
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/HaCsAHunter-Prey-02-41.jpg
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/HaCsAHunter-Prey-02-42.jpg

According to what I'm reading here, Cyborg Superman is at least 2 million times more durable than the missiles, and the OB's were putting out a million times more power than Superman.

Of course, Darkseid destroyed Cyborg Superman taking up a likely weaker body, but he did tank a more powerful attack than what the missiles took initially.



Because as we know, Cyborg Superman is just the meaning of durability.


this should cover it. I'm saving this post by the way.

In case it got missed:
http://i41.tinypic.com/2u6e0dw.jpg



This is the same guy who took both of the OBs while the missiles only were able to take one and got vaporized. And Darkseid was pretty weakened when he destroyed the missiles.
Which means there is no possible argument that Darkseid hit the missiles with more force.

Cyborg >>>>>>> Missiles >> Cap's shield.

Which means Superman could just grab and crush Cap's shield.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
In case it got missed:
http://i41.tinypic.com/2u6e0dw.jpg



This is the same guy who took both of the OBs while the missiles only were able to take one and got vaporized. And Darkseid was pretty weakened when he destroyed the missiles.
Which means there is no possible argument that Darkseid hit the missiles with more force.

Cyborg >>>>>>> Missiles >> Cap's shield.

Which means Superman could just grab and crush Cap's shield.

With this post, it proves that H1 is a genius.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
The exact same comic as the one Darkseid vaporized his missiles.

Darkseid had recovered more power at this point in time, if not at full power, and he hit Cyborg Superman with both of his beams:
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/HaCsAHunter-Prey-02-40.jpg
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/HaCsAHunter-Prey-02-41.jpg
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/HaCsAHunter-Prey-02-42.jpg

According to what I'm reading here, Cyborg Superman is at least 2 million times more durable than the missiles, and the OB's were putting out a million times more power than Superman.

Of course, Darkseid destroyed Cyborg Superman taking up a likely weaker body, but he did tank a more powerful attack than what the missiles took initially.



Because as we know, Cyborg Superman is just the meaning of durability. Notice how Superman was ripping apart his shoulder while holding Cyborg up just by grabbing him

You can start reporting h1 I knew you or someone was going to post that eventually. What took you so long? I saw that years ago. The problem lies in the evidence that DS was weakened when initially striking Henshaw. But then again, Superman didn't even get hit and his arms were burning up. That means the attack was magnitudes more powerful on Henshaw than Superman. So again, that feat is a durability feat for Henshaw.

These are the scenes AFTER DS destroyed the missiles when he gained back his full power
http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/1371/itgi.jpg

http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/5457/vt3v.jpg

http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/8034/mu0s.jpg

So when DS struck Henshaw at first he was not at full power but it was still magnitudes more powerful than Superman himself. But at full power DS vaporized him as shown.

Now I wonder what that post could be... let's click it shall we.

As you've previously made clear, him shooting the missiles was only with one beam each. Which means that he had to have hit Cyborg Superman with twice as much power.

What happened later was irrelevant. Considering there is no conceivable argument that he could have hit Henshaw with less power.

However, Henshaw already got hit with beams, and switched his body into random tech. Which would have likely made him weaker. But the real kicker here however, is that he didn't actually destroy Henshaw anyway. He trapped him in a ball:
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/HaCsAHunter-Prey-03-02.jpg
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/HaCsAHunter-Prey-03-03.jpg

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Supermanv2104-21.jpg
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Supermanv2104-22.jpg

So yes, please tell me how him hitting Henshaw with all of his might even if he did destroy him equates into a somewhat weakened Darkseid destroying missiles with "half his power".
Fact is Henshaw tanked the initial attack that was twice as powerful as the ones he hit the missiles with.

And Henshaw in no way has ever even came close to being as durable as Captain America's shield.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Now I wonder what that post could be... let's click it shall we.

As you've previously made clear, him shooting the missiles was only with one beam each. Which means that he had to have hit Cyborg Superman with twice as much power.

What happened later was irrelevant. Considering there is no conceivable argument that he could have hit Henshaw with less power.

However, Henshaw already got hit with beams, and switched his body into random tech. Which would have likely made him weaker. But the real kicker here however, is that he didn't actually destroy Henshaw anyway. He trapped him in a ball:
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/HaCsAHunter-Prey-03-02.jpg
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/HaCsAHunter-Prey-03-03.jpg

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Supermanv2104-21.jpg
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Supermanv2104-22.jpg

So yes, please tell me how him hitting Henshaw with all of his might even if he did destroy him equates into a somewhat weakened Darkseid destroying missiles with "half his power".
Fact is Henshaw tanked the initial attack that was twice as powerful as the ones he hit the missiles with.

And Henshaw in no way has ever even came close to being as durable as Captain America's shield.

Why would Henshaw purposely weaken himself to fight Superman? That makes no sense. DS destroyed Henshaw in entirety, his modified self and original (which is found inside the modified self as shown on panel). DS wasn't at full power AFTER firing on the missiles and before hitting Henshaw initially. Otherwise he would have been destroyed just like the final time DS hit him. What's to explain the entire chain of events in a logical manner, Henshaw purposely weakened himself or DS was strong then got weaker then got back stronger? DS destroys missiles, fails to vaporize Henshaw, succeeds in vaporizing Henshaw.

DS trapped his consciousness in the sphere. That means he vaporized (same as deconstructed completely) all of his matter first.

I know Henshaw isn't as durable as Cap's shield. I'm just grossly going overboard to prove that the missiles where in the vicinity as Cap's shield.
Remember my true stance is that the missiles is less durable but within the vicinity of Cap's shield. This is based off the fact that Superman couldn't do jack shit to them using all of his might.

I see you are completely directing this in a way that diverts attention away from the fact that Henshaw initially tanked something more powerful than the missiles took.
Apparently all that's relevant is the second OB's Cyborg took. As opposed to the attack that's at roughly the same power at roughly the same distance as the one he hit the missiles and Cyborg with.
Explain to me exactly how the second attack is relevant though to your previous points, please do this.

Why would a body he randomly threw together with random apokalips tech be as durable? Especially after he created this because he got hit by the Omega Beams.

Also, so your argument is that DS was strong, weakened himself by firing at the missiles, and then powered himself up by hitting Cyborg Superman the first time?
That makes no sense at all.
Darkseid was either weakened when he fired the beams against the missiles, or he was at near full power. Either or doesn't make a difference. He did not get weaker between those two blasts however.

And then his consciousness suddenly pops out an entire Cyborg Superman apparently instantly. No where was it stated Cyborg was vaporized.

So you're admitting to trolling in other words?

How can you admit that Henshaw isn't as durable as Cap's shield, but maintain that those missiles are anywhere in the vicinity? Also, you've utterly defeated your entire point by admitting that Henshaw isn't as durable btw.
Back to the actual point, as opposed to your diversion about him trapping Cyborg, Cyborg tanked an attack twice as powerful as the one that destroyed the missiles. Considering that all your logic should hold true (ie, vaporizing makes thousands of times more durable), that would make Cyborg Superman thousands of times more durable than the missiles. Considering you admitted to Henshaw being less durable than the shield, you have no point at all.

Let's repeat your logic though to make sure.
Vaporizing something takes a thousand times more force than damaging it.
The missiles were more durable than Superman could output and this makes them more durable than Cap's shield.
He vaporized the missiles with half the power he hit Henshaw with.
Henshaw was still fully functional.
Which using your logic, Henshaw was thousands of times more durable than the missiles.
You admitted Henshaw is less durable than the shield.
Which means the missiles are at least a thousand times less durable than the shield using entirely your logic.

Concession accepted.

Also, since you continue to ignore this. The attack he hit Cyborg with was twice as powerful as the attack he hit the missiles with, yes or no?

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
I see you are completely directing this in a way that diverts attention away from the fact that Henshaw initially tanked something more powerful than the missiles took.
Apparently all that's relevant is the second OB's Cyborg took. As opposed to the attack that's at roughly the same power at roughly the same distance as the one he hit the missiles and Cyborg with.
Explain to me exactly how the second attack is relevant though to your previous points, please do this.

Why would a body he randomly threw together with random apokalips tech be as durable? Especially after he created this because he got hit by the Omega Beams.

Also, so your argument is that DS was strong, weakened himself by firing at the missiles, and then powered himself up by hitting Cyborg Superman the first time?
That makes no sense at all.
Darkseid was either weakened when he fired the beams against the missiles, or he was at near full power. Either or doesn't make a difference. He did not get weaker between those two blasts however.

And then his consciousness suddenly pops out an entire Cyborg Superman apparently instantly. No where was it stated Cyborg was vaporized.

So you're admitting to trolling in other words?

How can you admit that Henshaw isn't as durable as Cap's shield, but maintain that those missiles are anywhere in the vicinity? Also, you've utterly defeated your entire point by admitting that Henshaw isn't as durable btw.
Back to the actual point, as opposed to your diversion about him trapping Cyborg, Cyborg tanked an attack twice as powerful as the one that destroyed the missiles. Considering that all your logic should hold true (ie, vaporizing makes thousands of times more durable), that would make Cyborg Superman thousands of times more durable than the missiles. Considering you admitted to Henshaw being less durable than the shield, you have no point at all.

Let's repeat your logic though to make sure.
Vaporizing something takes a thousand times more force than damaging it.
The missiles were more durable than Superman could output and this makes them more durable than Cap's shield.
He vaporized the missiles with half the power he hit Henshaw with.
Henshaw was still fully functional.
Which using your logic, Henshaw was thousands of times more durable than the missiles.
You admitted Henshaw is less durable than the shield.
Which means the missiles are at least a thousand times less durable than the shield using entirely your logic.

Concession accepted.

Also, since you continue to ignore this. The attack he hit Cyborg with was twice as powerful as the attack he hit the missiles with, yes or no?
You claim and believe Cyborg was hit with a more powerful OB than the missiles were hit with. I rebutt that so how is it a concession?

You didn't read my post well. You so quick to insinuate trolling. I said DS completely deconstructed Cyborg to put his consciousness in the tiny sphere. This is equivalent to vaporizing since that is also matter deconstruction. DS in the past has completely vaporized beings only to bring them back later. Maybe he recreates their body from his power. This is plausible. We have on panel evidence supporting that theory since the comic explicitly says "consciousness". The writer would have said, "For in this small sphere rests the Cyborg" if that was the case. But he said "consciousness". Also it says, "But my omega beans actually placed his LIFE FORCE here." A life force is like a spirit or soul or consciousness. That means Cyborg's body was completely deconstructed and thus he must has recreated his body.

Now as far as the OB

We have two possibilities
1. DS weakened himself after destroying the missiles so that the OB was weaker on Henshaw than those missiles.
2. DS didn't weaken after the missiles and thus Henshaw purposely made himself weaker.

Let's analyze each.
2. makes no moral sense (to purposely weaken oneself) and it makes no logical sense because it is contradicted by the fact that the original cyborg himself was inside the large machine construction. Both were destroyed.

1. makes moral sense and is logically plausible and backed by history of showings of DS bringing beings back.

And this is why I have you on ignore. Why I'm reading your posts is anyone's guess.

You aren't refuting it though. All you're doing is pointing to a different scene, with what you yourself have stated is a more powerful attack. While completely ignoring the other scene with the same strength of attack but doubled.

Again, him trapping Cyborg has nothing to do with anything. Even if he completely vaporized him while also trapping him in a ball, how is that relevant to the other scene? Considering that was without a doubt Darkseid at his peak of his power and almost a point blank blast, and he hit with double the beams, that just means he hit him way way harder than he hit the missiles. All your point could possibly be is that he hit Cyborg harder the second time. Which has nothing to do with the missiles at all.
But I see you can't actually prove he was vaporized so there's no need to stick with a scene that happened after he got hit and shifted into a random tech body. Hell, it took two hits to do this anyway.

It was never even hinted at him weakening himself after hitting the missiles. And considering he said he was at full power like 6 pages after firing on Cyborg, that is a complete impossibility.

2 doesn't even exist though. You are completely glossing over the fact that he initially took the same hit the missiles did, but with double the beams. If these are the only multiple choices you can come up with, then you might need to think a little bit harder.



There is absolutely without a shadow of a doubt no proof at all that Darkseid weakened himself firing on the missiles. This is completely made up by you.
And even if he did, he made it to full power about 6 pages after firing on Cyborg so he couldn't have been that weakened. And barely being weakened but still hitting with twice as much power would still have it outputting more force than the force each individual missile took.

But anyway, let's click on some posts shall we?
Originally posted by h1a8
To vaporize something vs. just damage it a little requires more than hundreds of thousands of times more power. The OB was at less than half power. So that implies it is more than millions of times more powerful than Superman in that arc. Originally posted by h1a8 Why won't it? At less than half power it vaporized two giant objects that Superman couldn't put a scratch on. Thus the OB shown was more than a million times more power than Superman himself. Is the shield a million times more powerful than Superman? Hell no!


He vaporized the missiles, but couldn't vaporize Cyborg with twice the attack. Which means that Cyborg is thousands of times more durable than the missiles.
Following your logic.

And here's you saying that Cyborg isn't more durable than Cap's shield:
Originally posted by h1a8
I know Henshaw isn't as durable as Cap's shield.

Which would make the missiles thousands of times less durable than the shield as well.


Same power output, but only in the case of Cyborg the beams weren't split (which is why you think they were half power):
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/HaCsAHunter-Prey-02-40.jpg
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/HaCsAHunter-Prey-02-41.jpg
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/HaCsAHunter-Prey-02-42.jpg

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/HaCsAHunter-Prey-02-38.jpg


You think he was weakened. But unless you have proof that he was weakened to a point where he was half his original power, that would make the attack Cyborg took more powerful.
Actually, even if you did have proof that Darkseid was at half power, that would still make Henshaw thousands of times more durable since he would have taken the same attack the missiles took, but he wasn't vaporized. Your logic. In fact, following your logic, Darkseid would have had to be thousands of times weaker than when he fired on the missiles for it to have even been the same level of attack.
Your logic again. Really smooth stuff.

You trying to desperately point to a different scene doesn't change the fact that Cyborg completely tanked an attack twice as powerful as the one each missile took. According to your logic, Cyborg just got vaporized by an attack thousands of times more powerful than the one he initially tanked (yeah), so that can't possibly be relevant to the missiles.

It boils down to you admitting Henshaw is less durable than the shield. Henshaw only being damaged by an attack that was twice as powerful as the beams that vaporized the missiles. And therefore following your logic, the missiles were two times THOUSANDS of times less durable than the shield.

Your logic is an utter mess.

An absolute fact is that Henshaw was more durable than the missiles by taking the OB's in any capacity within the same story. Refute this.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
And this is why I have you on ignore. Why I'm reading your posts is anyone's guess.

You aren't refuting it though. All you're doing is pointing to a different scene, with what you yourself have stated is a more powerful attack. While completely ignoring the other scene with the same strength of attack but doubled.

Again, him trapping Cyborg has nothing to do with anything. Even if he completely vaporized him while also trapping him in a ball, how is that relevant to the other scene? Considering that was without a doubt Darkseid at his peak of his power and almost a point blank blast, and he hit with double the beams, that just means he hit him way way harder than he hit the missiles. All your point could possibly be is that he hit Cyborg harder the second time. Which has nothing to do with the missiles at all.
But I see you can't actually prove he was vaporized so there's no need to stick with a scene that happened after he got hit and shifted into a random tech body. Hell, it took two hits to do this anyway.

It was never even hinted at him weakening himself after hitting the missiles. And considering he said he was at full power like 6 pages after firing on Cyborg, that is a complete impossibility.

2 doesn't even exist though. You are completely glossing over the fact that he initially took the same hit the missiles did, but with double the beams. If these are the only multiple choices you can come up with, then you might need to think a little bit harder.



There is absolutely without a shadow of a doubt no proof at all that Darkseid weakened himself firing on the missiles. This is completely made up by you.
And even if he did, he made it to full power about 6 pages after firing on Cyborg so he couldn't have been that weakened. And barely being weakened but still hitting with twice as much power would still have it outputting more force than the force each individual missile took.

But anyway, let's click on some posts shall we?



He vaporized the missiles, but couldn't vaporize Cyborg with twice the attack. Which means that Cyborg is thousands of times more durable than the missiles.
Following your logic.

And here's you saying that Cyborg isn't more durable than Cap's shield:


Which would make the missiles thousands of times less durable than the shield as well.


Same power output, but only in the case of Cyborg the beams weren't split (which is why you think they were half power):
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/HaCsAHunter-Prey-02-40.jpg
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/HaCsAHunter-Prey-02-41.jpg
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/HaCsAHunter-Prey-02-42.jpg

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/HaCsAHunter-Prey-02-38.jpg


You think he was weakened. But unless you have proof that he was weakened to a point where he was half his original power, that would make the attack Cyborg took more powerful.
Actually, even if you did have proof that Darkseid was at half power, that would still make Henshaw thousands of times more durable since he would have taken the same attack the missiles took, but he wasn't vaporized. Your logic. In fact, following your logic, Darkseid would have had to be thousands of times weaker than when he fired on the missiles for it to have even been the same level of attack.
Your logic again. Really smooth stuff.

You trying to desperately point to a different scene doesn't change the fact that Cyborg completely tanked an attack twice as powerful as the one each missile took. According to your logic, Cyborg just got vaporized by an attack thousands of times more powerful than the one he initially tanked (yeah), so that can't possibly be relevant to the missiles.

It boils down to you admitting Henshaw is less durable than the shield. Henshaw only being damaged by an attack that was twice as powerful as the beams that vaporized the missiles. And therefore following your logic, the missiles were two times THOUSANDS of times less durable than the shield.

Your logic is an utter mess.

An absolute fact is that Henshaw was more durable than the missiles by taking the OB's in any capacity within the same story. Refute this.

Why type so much? Just be more concise and clear. And stop with the veiled posting and say what you mean.

The bottom line is you are saying Cyborg resisted twice the power as that which hit the missiles, while I'm refuting that. This is what we should be debating. Most of your post is begging the question and assuming it is true before it is proven to be in order to make further conclusions. Let's get that part straight and then we can move on.

Well, we have at least two theories.
1. OB was weaker against Cyborg initially than against the missiles (which is my stance).
2. OB was same or less in the missiles as the initial strike on Cyborg but stronger on final Cyborg (your stance).

With 1. there are no contradictions anywhere. Cyborg isn't thousands of times more durable than Superman can damage while at the same time is able to be damaged by Superman.

With 2. we get the contradiction mentioned above. Also we get that DD tanked the very same attack that ended Cyborg (since both DS was at full power and at point blank range).

I did prove Cyborg got vaporized. What is your definition of vaporized? DS completely deconstructed Cyborg's being. That's equivalent to vaporizing something but only more.

And how would it be an impossibility when DS fired on Cyborg immediately after the missiles. He didn't get a chance to fully recharge at all. Two OB in a row or in succession? But DS got a much longer time to recharge while Superman was battling Cyborg. I said Cyborg is less durable than the shield because it would be PIS if he wasn't.

Bottomline: What are you really trying to say? I'm not sure you even know. Why be veiled in your responses. Make a stance or claim. What is your explanation on why Cyborg resisted an attack thousands of times more powerful than Superman? Are you claiming that DD wasn't hit with a force over thousands of times more powerful than Superman himself? Let's cut to the chase and end all of this unnecessary writing.

So, you don't like words, and you choose to feign (...) stupidity in a way that allows you to ignore the blatant point of my post, as well as ignore everything about it, and make up every excuse in the book? Well, let's try this another way.

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/HaCsAHunter-Prey-02-40.jpg
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/HaCsAHunter-Prey-02-41.jpg
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/HaCsAHunter-Prey-02-42.jpg

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/HaCsAHunter-Prey-02-38.jpg

Henshaw took a blast twice as powerful as the missiles took and was relatively fine. According to your logic that would make him thousands of times more durable than the missiles.
Also according to you logic, Darkseid would have to be weakened by thousands of times for Henshaw to take that blast and only be damaged.

How on Earth could Henshaw possibly be less durable than the missiles?


Also, my point is that the missiles aren't as durable as Cap's Shield or even close. Feigning stupidity doesn't make that less blatant.

But yes, missiles with only one feat against Bryne Superman are as durable as Cap's Shield... I don't even know how you haven't been reported yet for that basis.



And this is shifting my entire premise to use exclusively your logic too. No outside showings. Thousands of times vaporization, etc. And you're still arguing. Hilarious.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
So, you don't like words, and you choose to feign (...) stupidity in a way that allows you to ignore the blatant point of my post, as well as ignore everything about it, and make up every excuse in the book? Well, let's try this another way.

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/HaCsAHunter-Prey-02-40.jpg
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/HaCsAHunter-Prey-02-41.jpg
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/HaCsAHunter-Prey-02-42.jpg

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/HaCsAHunter-Prey-02-38.jpg

Henshaw took a blast twice as powerful as the missiles took and was relatively fine. According to your logic that would make him thousands of times more durable than the missiles.
Also according to you logic, Darkseid would have to be weakened by thousands of times for Henshaw to take that blast and only be damaged.

How on Earth could Henshaw possibly be less durable than the missiles?


Also, my point is that the missiles aren't as durable as Cap's Shield or even close. Feigning stupidity doesn't make that less blatant.

But yes, missiles with only one feat against Bryne Superman are as durable as Cap's Shield... I don't even know how you haven't been reported yet for that basis.



And this is shifting my entire premise to use exclusively your logic too. No outside showings. Thousands of times vaporization, etc. And you're still arguing. Hilarious.

I didn't ignore anything you said. I addressed every single thing. EVERYTHING!
You are choosing to ignore what I said without really refuting it. You keep claiming that Henshaw took a blast twice that of the missiles. I refuted that. Rebut my refutation if you disagree. That's how you debate.


I don't see why you don't get it. If we accept that Cyborg survived a power greater than the missiles then that means he is more durable than the missiles and that Superman is not powerful enough to damage him at all. But this is contradicted by the fact that Superman is powerful enough to damage Cyborg. So how can your logic be correct? Your scenario gives a logical impossibility while mine gives a plausible possibility within the suspension of disbelief.

You are pretty stupid. I just noticed this. You do not know how to debate clearly. And you are guilty of not understanding a logical post. Also I said the missiles were in the vicinity of cap's shield (like WW is in the vicinity of Superman's strength). Although I showed at most the missiles are more durable, I accept that they are somewhat less because everyone will have a phucking fit if the missiles were actually more durable. Heaven forbid.

Just because someone doesn't follow a famous religion doesn't mean they are trolling. "Oh the shield is of ungodly durability because it is famous as hell and been in comics a long time and was spoke of being indestructible. Whoever says something is more durable than it is trolling." Yet the shield has never tanked physical attacks twice as powerful as Superman. If it did then you debate by giving feats of shit the shield tanked. There are literally thousands of comics. 99.999% of the world haven't read them all. Trolling is knowing the obvious truth and still arguing against it.

Did Darkseid should Cyborg before or after the missiles?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Did Darkseid should Cyborg before or after the missiles?

He shot Cyborg immediately after the missiles. It was like a double fire. I think it was stated somewhere that DS needs to recharge after firing OBs.

Originally posted by h1a8
He shot Cyborg immediately after the missiles. It was like a double fire. I think it was stated somewhere that DS needs to recharge after firing OBs.

I honestly don't remember but I can definitely think of some comics where he's fired off continuous Omega Beams or even twice in a row without being weakened.

But this is all moot. Wasn't it pointed out that Darkseid was continually regaining his strength after the Doomsday beating? Then Cyborg Superman wasn't hit with only two beams, they packed more power.

You did not address everything, and you barely addressed anything at all. You ignored the entire post to get to your two scenarios and acted like that's all that could exist. And then you blatantly said you wanted to cut to the chase and end this unnecessary writing.

I've already refuted everything you've stated though. And you are still ignoring 3/4's of what I say in every post. Even in this post you are still ignoring the fact that going ENTIRELY BY YOUR LOGIC the missiles are way less durable than Henshaw. And you've repeatedly ignored this throughout. It's blatant hypocrisy and you won't even pretend you previous stated this.

Thank you for giving me a reason to report you.

But the missiles aren't even close, though, that's the problem. The fact that they got destroyed by something that would harmlessly bounce off Cap's shield shows they were nowhere close. The fact that Henshaw almost tanked an attack twice as powerful a page or so later proves they are nowhere near Cap's shield.

But you are trolling. You troll every thread. That's all you do. You choose to go against what the majority says in an effort to piss off everyone in every single thread.
And it isn't a simple case of saying something is more durable. It's you saying missile casings that have only one showing is more durable... that got utterly vaporised by an attack Cyborg tanked is trolling.

But sure, you want a feat of a being at least twice as strong as Superman? Especially that Superman? From a guy who's both halves were destroying reality?
http://i44.tinypic.com/fut4zc.jpg


But Cyborg did tank an attack greater than what the missiles took. And you keep ignoring why. You are blatantly ignoring it here as well. Your own logic says Henshaw is more durable. Everything about what you previously stated points to you thinking Henshaw would be more durable. You completely changed your argument on a dime.

And all Superman did was try and slow them down, while only hitting them with HV once, and a punch once. HV didn't work because it was apparently colder than re-entry (high end Superman apparently), and one punch didn't work.
And I've repeatedly posted one punch from Superman not doing much against Cyborg who just got hit with the Omega Beams:
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/HaCsAHunter-Prey-02-42.jpg

And here's Cyborg taking a full on attack from Superman when Superman wasn't being pushed back by a rocket and it causing no visible damage:
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/235/superman108p12st7.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/235/superman108p13jg5.jpg/

And all Superman said was that it was too tough to punch through, not to damage when he hit it one single time while being pushed back by the rocket:
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/HaCsAHunter-Prey-02-37.jpg

A punch when Superman is flying at you >>> a punch where Superman is being pushed back.

Cyborg has the same feats as the missiles. And he took the OB's better than them when they were twice as powerful. There is no possibility that Cyborg is not more durable. Both Cyborg and the missiles can take one attack from Superman without much damage. That doesn't mean much.

Cyborg >>> the missiles. Cyborg <<<<< Cap's shield






And also your previous logic of THOUSANDS OF TIMES. Like Jesus, way to completely drop that point when it doesn't favor your position anymore.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I honestly don't remember but I can definitely think of some comics where he's fired off continuous Omega Beams or even twice in a row without being weakened.

But this is all moot. Wasn't it pointed out that Darkseid was continually regaining his strength after the Doomsday beating? Then Cyborg Superman wasn't hit with only two beams, they packed more power. He said he was at full power exactly 5 pages after he fired on Henshaw. 3 pages after it hit Henshaw. Or, the next time we see Darkseid, he is at full power after a short walk to Henshaw. Must have been a power walk

So apparently Darkseid was strong, weakened himself, and then got to full power 5 pages later...

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
He said he was at full power exactly 5 pages after he fired on Henshaw. 3 pages after it hit Henshaw.

So apparently Darkseid was strong, weakened himself, and then got to full power 5 pages later...

Lol.

Then yea, this is open and shut.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Lol.

Then yea, this is open and shut. Made even worse by H1's logic:


Originally posted by Originally posted by h1a8
To vaporize something vs. just damage it a little requires more than hundreds of thousands of times more power. The OB was at less than half power. So that implies it is more than millions of times more powerful than Superman in that arc. Originally posted by Originally posted by h1a8
Why won't it? At less than half power it vaporized two giant objects that Superman couldn't put a scratch on. Thus the OB shown was more than a million times more power than Superman himself. Is the shield a million times more powerful than Superman? Hell no! Originally posted by Originally posted by h1a8
I know Henshaw isn't as durable as Cap's shield.

Which means he thinks Darkseid would have to be weakened thousands (millions) of times to only damage Henshaw a little and for the missiles to be more durable than Henshaw, and for the missiles to be what he believes more durable than Cap's Shield. But he's willing to sacrifice his argument and say they're only a little less durable than Cap's Shield.

But he certainly wants to drop that point entirely...

We're also supposed to take that showing in a vacuum and pretend stuff like this doesn't exist:
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd247/kjs1982/Astro-Harness/AstroForceBlocksOmegaBeams1.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/6/67877/1913132-jla185_24.jpg

http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/228/takingomegabeams6thoy8.jpg
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/7701/takingomegabeams29nanh6.jpg
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/1788/takingomegabeams37fizd5.jpg
http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/4177/takingomegabeams44rgcj7.jpg
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/5721/takingomegabeams51xlqs4.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/33308/1529972-pis.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/2532/990736-supermanbatman01328jq.jpg

ETC.

Superman is a millions times more durable/powerful than Superman apparently.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
You did not address everything, and you barely addressed anything at all. You ignored the entire post to get to your two scenarios and acted like that's all that could exist. And then you blatantly said you wanted to cut to the chase and end this unnecessary writing.

I've already refuted everything you've stated though. And you are still ignoring 3/4's of what I say in every post. Even in this post you are still ignoring the fact that going ENTIRELY BY YOUR LOGIC the missiles are way less durable than Henshaw. And you've repeatedly ignored this throughout. It's blatant hypocrisy and you won't even pretend you previous stated this.

Thank you for giving me a reason to report you.

How, by my logic, are the missiles way less durable than Henshaw when I'm arguing that the beams that hit henshaw were less in power? You keep repeating that without understanding me. You are begging the question here, assuming the beams that hit Henshaw is more powerful than the one that hit the missiles. Let's assume this. So Superman couldn't damage the missiles using all of his might. And Henshaw tanked an attack that destroyed the missiles. Thus Superman can't damage Cyborg using all of his might. This is a contradiction and thus a logical impossibility. Thus the assumption is wrong and the beams that hit Henshaw wasn't as powerful as the ones that his the missiles.

Inbetweener? Please give more details. What are his strength feats?



Able to withstand re-entry heat doesn't prove the minimum heat the missiles can withstand.
But now you are debating. What took you so long? You accuse someone of trolling when you are not supporting your position well. I don't argue against clear logic. So you thus showed that Henshaw is durable enough to withstand punches from Superman (although Superman punched chips from him) without being much damaged and is possibly as durable against blunt force as those missiles. But what about HV? Superman damaged him with HV though and thus my point still holds


I agree a punch from Superman flying at you is more powerful than a punch going backwards. But Superman can still punch while going backwards through tank armor steel like it is made of tissue paper. But I don't see any damage done to the missiles by his punch. In the next page the panel shows no damage. But it doesn't matter as I said above that Cyborg could possibly have equal or greater durability against blunt force as the missiles. I don't have a problem with that. Using a different comic huh? That's cool. But in the HP comic Superman actually damaged Cyborg with HV. Anyway I covered this above already.

My original point was that the missiles were in the vicinity as Cap's shield in durability. You actually helped me prove that arguing the blunt durability of Cyborg. Superman can tear through tank steel like tissue paper, through titanium alloy like it's nothing, etc. But couldn't damage the missiles with a single non holding back punch? That means the missiles were above Superman's durability to some degree, even if it was just one punch. Being above Superman in durability automatically places an object at least in the vicinity of Cap's shield but not necessarily equal or above the shield.
IMO, I would say that Cap's shield is at most 2x more durable than the missiles in blunt force.


Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I honestly don't remember but I can definitely think of some comics where he's fired off continuous Omega Beams or even twice in a row without being weakened.

But this is all moot. Wasn't it pointed out that Darkseid was continually regaining his strength after the Doomsday beating? Then Cyborg Superman wasn't hit with only two beams, they packed more power.
I remember a scene where DS had to recharge to fire another beam.

It wasn't mentioned that at all.
The final attack on Cyborg was definitely more powerful than the initial attack. But me and Bran is debating whether the initial attack on Cyborg packed more or equal power than the attack on the missiles.

This will be my last post on the subject since it's utterly retarded.
3 pages where something gets evaporated by something that would harmlessly bounce of Cap's shield makes it almost as durable as Cap's shield.

This is the type of shit we're supposed to just swallow. Anyway, back to not clicking your posts after this. A happier time.

Originally posted by h1a8
How, by my logic, are the missiles way less durable than Henshaw when I'm arguing that the beams that hit henshaw were less in power? You keep repeating that without understanding me.
Because you have a complete and utter LACK OF PROOF to say he was weaker than when he fired on the missiles.
There's not even a hint to say he was weaker when he fired against Henshaw. Darkseid was at full power 6 pages after he fired at Henshaw, which further goes against you point.
You are stating that the beams were less power with no hint of proof.

If this were me claiming this you wouldn't accept the slightest bit of it without a scan, yet all you're doing is claiming things when all the proof goes against it.

And that's not all:

Because you've repeatedly claimed the OB's he fired on the missiles were at half power because they were split. Which would mean Darkseid would have to have his power cut in half to fire with the same force as he did against Henshaw as he did against each individual rocket.
You know, because he hit Henshaw with BOTH of the beams?

And last of all, because you've claimed that to vaporise something as opposed to just damage it would require thousands of times the force it would be to simply damage something. So even if Darkseid was weakened by half, Henshaw would still be seen as well above the missiles in durability seeing as he "tanked" an attack that was "millions of times Superman" in the comic, while the missiles got vaporised at half the power.


You're trolling right now, plain and simple. Everything you have previously said when you were pumping the rockets up that appeared in comics for three pages goes completely against the missiles being more durable than Henshaw. And now that Henshaw was brought up, you completely dropped all your logic. Now it no longer takes thousands to millions of times more force to vaporise something than it does to damage something? Which as you're well aware would make Henshaw the same amount more durable than the rockets.

You have no point at all. And that's before everything you've previously said about the rockets when Henshaw wasn't factored in.

Henshaw took an attack twice as powerful as the rockets took. Fact. You claiming he didn't means nothing at all.

Originally posted by h1a8
You are begging the question here, assuming the beams that hit Henshaw is more powerful than the one that hit the missiles. Let's assume this. So Superman couldn't damage the missiles using all of his might. And Henshaw tanked an attack that destroyed the missiles. Thus Superman can't damage Cyborg using all of his might. This is a contradiction and thus a logical impossibility. Thus the assumption is wrong and the beams that hit Henshaw wasn't as powerful as the ones that his the missiles. We don't have to assume. It's correct. Every bit of logic you posted previously says this. The fact that no proof exists that Darkseid was weakened proves this. You're living in fantasy la la land.

Except Henshaw could probably tank like 10 of the punches in a row that Superman threw at the missiles before he started feeling it. Same with the tiny blasts of possible HV. Hell, Bryne Superman could probably destroy those missiles if they were on the ground and not forcing him back if he threw more than one punch.

But at your logic that it doesn't count. You don't like it, it doesn't count in other words.


Originally posted by h1a8
Inbetweener? Please give more details. What are his strength feats? He was at half the strength as he was when he stalemated Galactus in pretty much almost exclusively h2h.

But yes, ask for feats when maintaining the position that Darkseid was weakened after firing on the rockets based on absolutely no on panel proof.



Originally posted by h1a8

Able to withstand re-entry heat doesn't prove the minimum heat the missiles can withstand.
But now you are debating. What took you so long? You accuse someone of trolling when you are not supporting your position well. I don't argue against clear logic. So you thus showed that Henshaw is durable enough to withstand punches from Superman (although Superman punched chips from him) without being much damaged and is possibly as durable against blunt force as those missiles. But what about HV? Superman damaged him with HV though and thus my point still holds It doesn't. It also doesn't allow us to make up a no limits fallacy. All the rockets were stated to withstand was the heat of re-entry. Nothing more, nothing less. Superman fired a tiny blast (if he even fired a blast because it wasn't even shown, and he could have been theorizing) and knew it wouldn't work because the missiles were designed to withstand the heat of re-entry. And Superman even said he had no chance because they were designed to withstand re-entry.

Considering you have contradicted yourself at numerous turns, and have dropped all previous logic while having no proof, I don't think you have an idea what debating actually is.

I've completely ripped your point to shreds multiple times. You aren't even supporting your stance at all besides saying "nuh uh", so spare me the talk of supporting stances.

But your points up to this point have never been about HV. It's only been about strength. Let's talk about supporting stances, shall we?
Originally posted by h1a8
Why won't it? At less than half power it vaporized two giant objects that Superman couldn't put a scratch on. Thus the OB shown was more than a million times more power than Superman himself. Is the shield a million times more powerful than Superman? Hell no!

Originally posted by h1a8
Yet the shield has never tanked physical attacks twice as powerful as Superman. If it did then you debate by giving feats of shit the shield tanked. There are literally thousands of comics. 99.999% of the world haven't read them all. Trolling is knowing the obvious truth and still arguing against it.


But yes, shift your entire argument to Superman's HV at the time, because that was so impressive. It wasn't even above the heat of re-entry in that comic. Color me impressed that it would be relevant in a topic about Cap's shield.

Originally posted by h1a8
I agree a punch from Superman flying at you is more powerful than a punch going backwards. But Superman can still punch while going backwards through tank armor steel like it is made of tissue paper. But I don't see any damage done to the missiles by his punch. In the next page the panel shows no damage. But it doesn't matter as I said above that Cyborg could possibly have equal or greater durability against blunt force as the missiles. I don't have a problem with that. Using a different comic huh? That's cool. But in the HP comic Superman actually damaged Cyborg with HV. Anyway I covered this above already.

My original point was that the missiles were in the vicinity as Cap's shield in durability. You actually helped me prove that arguing the blunt durability of Cyborg. Superman can tear through tank steel like tissue paper, through titanium alloy like it's nothing, etc. But couldn't damage the missiles with a single non holding back punch? That means the missiles were above Superman's durability to some degree, even if it was just one punch. Being above Superman in durability automatically places an object at least in the vicinity of Cap's shield but not necessarily equal or above the shield.
IMO, I would say that Cap's shield is at most 2x more durable than the missiles in blunt force.
Why would you even bring up tank armor? That's not impressive at all when talking about this level.

If Cyborg has greater blunt force durability than the missiles, then you've defeated your entire point. Jesus Christ. That's all you've been talking about until you rapidly shifted your point. It's only been about Superman's strength. ONLY.

Superman damaged Cyborg right after he got hit by the Omega Beams. You must value the Omega Beams less than you think if you figure the attack value doesn't stack. And this was actually a huge blast of HV as opposed to the HV he possibly fired against the rockets.

Also, uh yes, I'm using a different comic. If your logic is applicable to rockets because of a weak punch Superman threw, then it's also applicable to haymaker flying punches from Superman. In fact you even reinforce that in this very post as you defend taking Superman's punches as some sort of indication as being about Cap's shield level.
I don't give a shit about different comics contrary to whatever the hell type of logic you're pushing. And the fact that I've proven what you're saying as made up, I see no harm actually using comic history. Boo hoo if you don't read comics, and boo hoo if I goes against your half baked ideas.



They are not because Cyborg Superman is way more durable, and they've only withstood two attacks and then got destroyed by half the power of something Hank ****ing Henshaw withstood.

I still fail to see your point with Superman destroying metals that get destroyed constantly in the real world. That in no way helps your point as much as you think it does. Tell me more about Superman punching through tanks though.

No where in those pages was Superman stated to be "not holding back" either. And considering he was getting pushed back at rapid speeds, it couldn't have possibly been anywhere near his full strength even if he was going all out.

And taking one punch from Superman doesn't mean you're anywhere near as durable as Superman either. Nor was that Superman anywhere near as durable as Cap's shield either. Jesus Christ. Your amount of logic leaps and blatantly making shit up is astounding.
Also, good job changing your logic again.

But yes, let's use your logic again, and I'm sure you'll love this:
Here is Wonder Woman damaging a way more durable Superman than Bryne Superman which apparently means she damaged something more durable than Cap's Shield?
http://i477.photobucket.com/albums/rr138/fangirl102/Superman_v2_211_2005_Team-DCP_pg13.jpg

With a shield none the less.

We've established WW damaged something that is way more durable than Bryne Superman which is around Cap's shield, but who else?

Here is Bryne level Superman actually stating he's not holding back landing a huge punch on the Creeper and doing no damage:
http://i43.tinypic.com/20uzo8n.jpg

Oops, how'd this get in here?
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/3/32599/1439983-1344606_the_creeper__05_19.jpg

So, WW hits had enough to damage something that at that stage is likely more durable than Cap's shield, and the Creeper is as durable as Superman and is in the vicinity of Cap's shield? What else can we dig up using your logic? Well, let's see.

Here is Superman engaging in a brawl with Kilowog which is doing no damage to Kilowog:
http://i43.tinypic.com/2d0j1xu.jpg
http://i42.tinypic.com/2h3ygw5.jpg

Apparently this would make Kilowog many times more durable than Cap's shield since Supeman was slightly pissed, took quite a few punches, and Superman was vastly more powerful than he was in HP.

Oh yeah, HV. Well, since that apparently means a lot, here's Aquaman taking a blast of HV relatively well from a more powerful Superman. Cap's shield level of durability too?
(Superman was wearing a lead suit which made him immune to K-nite)
http://i41.tinypic.com/6iywar.jpg
http://i43.tinypic.com/2r4hlj4.jpg

I could go through more. I could go through OWAW where Superman has trouble damaging Imperiex Probes with multiple punches, starts ripping through them, and then goes back to have trouble damaging them. Which goes to show taking one punch from Superman doesn't prove they're more durable than him, and his strength can differ depending on what he puts into them.

And I know what you're thinking. "Buh it wasn't from HP". No, and it doesn't have to be. If your logic is applicable here, then it should be applicable in the next thread. And people that take full on punches from a more powerful Superman should be more durable than taking one punch that wasn't stated to be going all out, and when Superman was on the backfoot.

If a missile is more durable or around the durability of Cap's shield because Superman hit it once, then you better believe a vastly more powerful Superman hitting Kilowog multiple times would have a way better claim to that. But we know that's false, so that's why we don't claim it. Or real people do anyway. Not spambots.



With that said, 2000 and onward Superman would have dismantled both of those missiles without an issue. As indicated by him matching a full powered Darkseid multiple times, and even matching his OBs. Darkseid was vastly more powerful than Superman back then. I have no issues with that. But as proven as time went on the gap got very small if he was even more powerful than Superman at all. But for some reason that's not relevant. We're just supposed to treat a weaker Superman as some sort of God when we know for a fact that he is currently around Darkseid level.

In other words, I've only been toying with your "HP exists in a bubble" idea. It's retarded that we're supposed to forget showings exist where Darkseid shows he can not break Cap's shield. Darkseid was not stronger back then. Darkseid was not as his strongest back then.
3 comic showings are apparently all of Darkseid's appearances. Forget the hundreds of other appearances where he didn't destroy missiles...

Originally posted by h1a8
I remember a scene where DS had to recharge to fire another beam.

Whether or not that has actually occurred, I highly doubt you remember such a scene happening.

Although it's funny you would say such a thing because you're vehemently against bringing up anything from outside HP. Although you also don't like being consistent either considering how many times you changed your mind.


Oh, let's make a recap though of some hilarious contradictions:

You stated taking one punch from Bryne Superman means you're about as durable as Superman which also mean you're about as durable as Cap's shield.
You talked about the shield never taking more than twice the physical attacks than Superman output (though now it's just Superman being as durable as the shield)

You stated Darkseid hit the missiles at half power.
You stated that it takes thousands of more times the power to vaporise something than to simple damage it.
You state Darkseid was millions of times more powerful than Superman a page before he fired on Henshaw
Henshaw survived that first attack just fine.

You stated Cyborg Superman isn't as durable as Cap's shied.
You stated Cyborg Superman is more durable in blunt force than the missiles, or around there
You stated the shield has never taken more than twice the physical force than Superman
You still maintain that the missiles were around as durable as Cap's shield

You stated that other comics don't count except Hunter Prey.
Yet you maintain that Superman was about as durable as Cap's shield and twice his force could break the shield.
But if we're only using Hunter Prey, how could we possibly say anything Superman did was impressive? How is Superman as durable as Cap's Shield based on that series?

You've repeatedly asked for proof.
You have not posted any actual proof, and you maintain that Darkseid was weakened after hitting the missiles... even though it was never stated, and he was at full power 6 pages later.

You keep saying I'm not reading your posts well.
You keep changing and dropping your previous points.

You stated Superman's physical force were what mattered.
You now maintain that his HV which was useless against something that could survive re-entry is now what mattered.

You stated not to use other comics outside HP.
You think it was stated in a comic outside HP that Darkseid needs to recharge after firing his OBs.

There's probably more, but I stopped remembering some of the shit you claimed.





At the end of the day, the rockets appeared in three pages total in the history of comics. They took one blast of HV that was apparently less than the heat of re-entry. They took one punch from Superman rapidly being pushed back. And then they got destroyed by half of the power of Darkeid's OBs.
That is nowhere near enough to prove it's anywhere near the durability of something that has tanked full attacks from Thor, Hulk, and pretty much every other hero in Marvel. And considering Darkseid's attacks have been deflected by less than Cap's shield, it's not a possibility at all.

This should not be a discussion. Especially considering it's a God Damned missile casing that's meant to be destroyed when it blows up. Especially when it got vaporised. Especially when Superman couldn't have been hitting it that hard. Especially when Superman was way weaker than he is now.
3 pages. 3 attacks. It was vaporised by the same attack fragile Hank Henshaw took relatively well.

Simply no.

Ahh. I feel like this thread has finally been cleansed a bit. Well done Bran.

You'd think. But I doubt my posts have any effect.





Anyway, King Thor wins. He's just too big of a brute. Especially now that the guy can fire beams that make Gorr rethink his life while he's propelled light years away

Originally posted by Branlor Swift


Oh, let's make a recap though of some hilarious contradictions:

You stated taking one punch from Bryne Superman means you're about as durable as Superman which also mean you're about as durable as Cap's shield.
You talked about the shield never taking more than twice the physical attacks than Superman output (though now it's just Superman being as durable as the shield)

And this is where you are trolling by lying on purpose. I never said such things nor implied them. You are twisting my arguments on purpose and this is trolling. Taking a punch "without any damage" from "all of Superman's might" means that an object is "at least in the vicinity" of Cap's shield in blunt force durability. "In the vicinity" could very much mean 50% less as I explained in the last post.



Half the power he hit DD with. Yes "at least" thousands of times more power. DS beams was that powerful and not DS himself. Again, I already proven that Henshaw took a lesser power than that the missiles took. This is where you troll again. It's becoming a habit from you.


See your argument fails due to the fact Cyborg experienced less power than that of the missiles. That fact destroys everything you are saying. Don't you see? That's why I said you should start there. Then you can make your leaps of logic against me. I don't believe Cyborg is more durable against blunt force than the missiles. He was damaged by Superman's punch a little bit as I posted. But I said he "might" be.




More trolling from you.
I didn't say other comics don't count. They count when arguing the power level a character will have in a FORUM FIGHT. They don't count when arguing the power level a character HAD in a PARTICULAR COMIC. You know this, because you have countless times used such logic to show what a character (such as Thanos) was operating at due to what happened in the SAME COMIC.



I proved it by showing a contradiction. If you assume something that leads you to a contradiction then the assumption is wrong. This is basic logic.





More trolling. I said being able to survive re-entry doesn't proof maximum ability. It proves minimum. Iron man is built to survive re-entry; that isn't the maximum he can take though.

I mentioned the recharge issue to create a plausible reason of why DS could have been weakened after the missiles. The "why" is actually irrelevant since it is true.

More trolling. The missiles can withstand a MINIMUM of re-entry heat. Although Superman was moving backwards the missiles were moving with him and thus the relative velocity was 0. This is equivalent to striking a non moving object. DS OB power was awesome in that comic. Taking hits from Thor, Hulk, etc. doesn't prove anything as they are less than twice more powerful than Superman. DS OB being deflected by Cap's shield isn't usable.

Of course the missiles are meant to be destroyed. I never claimed they were indestructible. Obviously they were powerful enough to destroy the planet. So the power inside of them were sufficient in not only destroying the casing but also the planet itself. And a final troll by you, again Henshaw took a lesser power than the missiles did as I proven.

Guys, please get back to the topic.

KT (and any skyfather level character) obliterates every version of Doomsday....

I believe DD wins by being much faster than KT. I see DD ripping KT to shreds with his protrusions. I see DD healing and adapting to KT's attacks on the fly.

KT wins easily, the guy can destroy Cap's shield with an eye blast and Cap's shield >>>>>Doomsday's durability.

KT, far to brutal and powerful for Doomsday to cope with.

Originally posted by Silent Master
KT wins easily, the guy can destroy Cap's shield with an eye blast and Cap's shield >>>>>Doomsday's durability. Durability is a function of thickness. Caps shield is thin but pound for pound more durable than DD, while DD is much thicker and bigger and thus more durable as a whole. KT, at best, damages his top layer of flesh but DD heals and adapts to the blast. And this is if DD doesn't blitz him right away.

Also, by the logic of Bran, we have those eye beams failing to disintegrate cap's skeleton in the same comic.

Originally posted by h1a8
Durability is a function of thickness. Caps shield is thin but pound for pound more durable than DD, while DD is much thicker and bigger and thus more durable as a whole.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
what's the problem? A thin sheet of adamantium is easier to destroy than a block of adamantium

Originally posted by h1a8
Durability is a function of thickness. Caps shield is thin but pound for pound more durable than DD, while DD is much thicker and bigger and thus more durable as a whole. KT, at best, damages his top layer of flesh but DD heals and adapts to the blast. And this is if DD doesn't blitz him right away.

Also, by the logic of Bran, we have those eye beams failing to disintegrate cap's skeleton in the same comic.


The above post isn't even close to being true.

Originally posted by h1a8
what's the problem? A thin sheet of adamantium is easier to destroy than a block of adamantium

You are not factoring in the part Vibranium plays in the shield's durability.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
You are not factoring in the part Vibranium plays in the shield's durability. that helps absorbs impact from physical strikes, not necessarily from burning energy attacks. DD tanks energy attacks without any damage like a beast.

Originally posted by Silent Master
The above post isn't even close to being true.

Durability is a function of thickness. A thin sheet of metal is easier to damage than a solid block of it.

Bryne's Superman's durability was once compared to miles of steel thick.

Originally posted by h1a8
Durability is a function of thickness. A thin sheet of metal is easier to damage than a solid block of it.

Bryne's Superman's durability was once compared to miles of steel thick.

Doomsday isn't made up of the same material as Cap's shield, so him being thicker/larger in no way proves that he's more durable over all like you claimed.

Originally posted by Badabing
Guys, please get back to the topic. Yeah, I was getting sick of thoroughly trouncing h1.




Back on the topic of Thor vs Doomsday...
The most powerful attack Doomsday took was the OBs. Which have been proven to bounce off "current" Superman, and other things.

However, he did get damaged by a random Kryptonian Sword. Which would have just bounced off Cap's shied, so we can rule out him being more durable than Cap's shield:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/HaCsAHunter-Prey-03-30.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/HaCsAHunter-Prey-03-31.jpg



Now on the other end of the spectrum, here's Cap's shield being effortlessly shattered. Doomsday has never output this type of power, nor has he shown the ability to tank this sort of power:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Page020.jpg

And here's Thor using his Odin Power on a being who is straight up immune to it's effects:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Page_020.jpg

There's two other scenes where Thor damages him a little with fully unleashed blasts, but then Desak overrides it immediately. But really, Desak is pretty much immune to the Odin Power on its own.

Now here is to show that Destroyer was more powerful than Desak:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/thorPage_014.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/thorPage_015.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/thorPage_016.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Page_017.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Page_018.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Page_019.jpg

Here is them merging together and what they became:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Page_023.jpg

And considering all of Desak's power comes from the jewel (not to mention he merged with him), that means that there was no question he was undoubtedly more powerful than merely the Destroyer Armor or Desak separately.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Page_005.jpg

Now, here's the kicker. As soon as Thor picks up Mjolnir he beheads this hybrid Destroyer/Desak combo with one throw. Overcoming the Destroyer's durability. Overcoming Desak's immunity to his power. And overcoming Desak's durability as well.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Page_014.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Page_015.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Page_016.jpg

Now, however long afterwards, Thor can casually fire a blast from Mjolnir that sends Gorr flying light years, when this is the first time in 900 years he's used the Odinforce (along with his indestructible Destroyer arm):
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Thor-GodofThunder009-006.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Thor-GodofThunder009-007.jpg


Doomsday has about as much chance as just one Greenman has at maneuvering Superman's cape

http://i39.tinypic.com/289v4ly.gif

R.I.P. H1

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Yeah, I was getting sick of thoroughly trouncing h1.




Back on the topic of Thor vs Doomsday...
The most powerful attack Doomsday took was the OBs. Which have been proven to bounce off "current" Superman, and other things.

However, he did get damaged by a random Kryptonian Sword. Which would have just bounced off Cap's shied, so we can rule out him being more durable than Cap's shield:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/HaCsAHunter-Prey-03-30.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/HaCsAHunter-Prey-03-31.jpg

Who's more powerful is irrelevant since we are discussing durability. More powerful doesn't mean more durable. But I don't see the point anyway.


If Desak was immune to Odin's power then he wouldn't got beheaded. This is a contradiction. Thus either he wasn't immune (hyperbole) or it was just the blunt force of the hammer that did him in and not the Odin force. In other words, Mjolnir, by pure force alone, overpowered the Destroyer's armor and Desaks head which is impressive. Anyway Thor became worthy due to wanting to change everything and seeing the error of his ways. That means he couldn't pick Mjolnir up prior. So are we using KT after he became worthy again (since it was Desak and not DD that led to him being worthy)? If so then that is a viable tactic by Thor to win.

But the problem here is DD is fast as hell. He's not just going to sit back and always let that happen and say "how?". He would be blitzing the shit out of Thor. And please don't let DD send one of these out at Thor's head before he can flinch.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800x600q90/827/41ye.jpg


Well I didn't think alternate future versions of characters were usable, as per the Gladiator example. I argue that's not the same KT since his arm is not missing at all and has an eyepatch.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Yeah, I was getting sick of thoroughly trouncing h1.




Back on the topic of Thor vs Doomsday...
The most powerful attack Doomsday took was the OBs. Which have been proven to bounce off "current" Superman, and other things.

However, he did get damaged by a random Kryptonian Sword. Which would have just bounced off Cap's shied, so we can rule out him being more durable than Cap's shield:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/HaCsAHunter-Prey-03-30.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/HaCsAHunter-Prey-03-31.jpg



Now on the other end of the spectrum, here's Cap's shield being effortlessly shattered. Doomsday has never output this type of power, nor has he shown the ability to tank this sort of power:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Page020.jpg

And here's Thor using his Odin Power on a being who is straight up immune to it's effects:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Page_020.jpg

There's two other scenes where Thor damages him a little with fully unleashed blasts, but then Desak overrides it immediately. But really, Desak is pretty much immune to the Odin Power on its own.

Now here is to show that Destroyer was more powerful than Desak:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/thorPage_014.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/thorPage_015.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/thorPage_016.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Page_017.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Page_018.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Page_019.jpg

Here is them merging together and what they became:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Page_023.jpg

And considering all of Desak's power comes from the jewel (not to mention he merged with him), that means that there was no question he was undoubtedly more powerful than merely the Destroyer Armor or Desak separately.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Page_005.jpg

Now, here's the kicker. As soon as Thor picks up Mjolnir he beheads this hybrid Destroyer/Desak combo with one throw. Overcoming the Destroyer's durability. Overcoming Desak's immunity to his power. And overcoming Desak's durability as well.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Page_014.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Page_015.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Page_016.jpg

Now, however long afterwards, Thor can casually fire a blast from Mjolnir that sends Gorr flying light years, when this is the first time in 900 years he's used the Odinforce (along with his indestructible Destroyer arm):
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Thor-GodofThunder009-006.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Thor-GodofThunder009-007.jpg


Doomsday has about as much chance as just one Greenman has at maneuvering Superman's cape

http://i39.tinypic.com/289v4ly.gif

This is ownage on many levels,king Thor rage stomps doomsday period! King Thor has dd beat in every Way possible

Originally posted by h1a8
Who's more powerful is irrelevant since we are discussing durability. More powerful doesn't mean more durable. But I don't see the point anyway.


If Desak was immune to Odin's power then he wouldn't got beheaded. stopped reading cause anything that fallows has to be nothing more than further blatant denial simply to save face

Originally posted by psycho gundam
stopped reading cause anything that fallows has to be nothing more than further blatant denial simply to save face Can you stop trolling. I wrote relevant info after it. Debating is not personal. Who cares if who wins or loses a debate as long as the truth comes out? No such thing as save face.

This is gearing stupid, anybody with common sense and knowledgeable in comics knows that KT sh** stomps DD!!

Originally posted by h1a8
Can you stop trolling. I wrote relevant info after it. Debating is not personal. Who cares if who wins or loses a debate as long as the truth comes out? No such thing as save face. it's not trolling at all so spare the moderators this day. anyway, any fallow up to that quoted line other than "golly, i'm talking outta my ass again" is just saving face. your argument about durability was thoroughly defeated and had it's face submerged into an oily roadside puddle, you know the ones with the rainbow colours from the petrol? that shit.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
it's not trolling at all so spare the moderators this day. anyway, any fallow up to that quoted line other than "golly, i'm talking outta my ass again" is just saving face. your argument about durability was thoroughly defeated and had it's face submerged into an oily roadside puddle, you know the ones with the rainbow colours from the petrol? that shit. my argument about durability was won. The part you quoted wasn't discussing durability at all.

My argument is that dd as a whole is equal or more durable than caps shield. Thus he can take an energy attack from KT with minimal or no damage.

Where is the save face at?

You are trolling by flaming and also by saying false things on purpose.

KT owns DD , but not as bad as Bran just owned h1

Originally posted by Insane Titan
KT owns DD , but not as bad as Bran just owned h1

I find it rather funny that h1 actually thinks he won the durabaility argument, when in reality Bran utterly destroyed him.

Originally posted by Silent Master
I find it rather funny that h1 actually thinks he won the durabaility argument, when in reality Bran utterly destroyed him. that's how arrogant he is he flat out admitted he is never wrong as he's not bias

King Thor wins.

Originally posted by Silent Master
I find it rather funny that h1 actually thinks he won the durabaility argument, when in reality Bran utterly destroyed him.

You must didn't read my arguments. Bran used logic that lead to a contradiction. Thus his assumption was wrong. So how did he utterly destroy me when his argument is faulty?
Then the same logic of his argument can be applied to KT's blast where he failed to disintegrate Cap's skeleton. Thus Cap's skeleton is more durable than his shield.

Anyway DD tanks the shit out of KT's blasts for the very reasons I gave.
KT can indeed hurt or kill DD with a righteous hammer throw.
But we must answer the question of whether we are using worthy KT (since it was Desak in Destroyer's body that made him see the light and not DD).

If not, the DD wins easily.
If so, then DD can still win by blitzing KT and not giving him much of a chance to do a righteous throw. But KT would definitely win some this way.

Originally posted by h1a8
that helps absorbs impact from physical strikes, not necessarily from burning energy attacks. DD tanks energy attacks without any damage like a beast. Except that it does.

Originally posted by Mindset
Except that it does.

Except that iron is heat resistant to a degree. What proof we have that vibranium can resist heat SIGNIFICANTLY beyond tungsten or even iron? I can be wrong here I admit so be nice.

Originally posted by h1a8
Except that iron is heat resistant to a degree. What proof we have that vibranium can resist heat SIGNIFICANTLY beyond tungsten or even iron? I can be wrong here I admit so be nice.

Are you serious?

Originally posted by h1a8
my argument about durability was won. The part you quoted wasn't discussing durability at all.

My argument is that dd as a whole is equal or more durable than caps shield. Thus he can take an energy attack from KT with minimal or no damage.

Where is the save face at?

You are trolling by flaming and also by saying false things on purpose. lol?

this next part was delicious: Originally posted by h1a8
My argument is that dd as a whole is equal or more durable than caps shield. Thus he can take an energy attack from KT with minimal or no damage.

if you said "cap's bones" then maybe it would have been funny

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Page020.jpg

you've seen that picture at least 50 times on kmc

Well, I clicked some of the posts out of curiosity. lol at H1 winning any part. He ignored 2 out of 3 posts and instead created more contradictions while outright lying. Taking one post out of three and acting like it's in a bubble (like doing so in the comics) in the least important part doesn't do much. Especially when it's purely using your logic.

And his response to the proof of DD vs KT was straight up nothing. However, I'll highlight some things he brought up later.

In the meantime, he made a really great post that deserves recognition.

Originally posted by h1a8
Well I didn't think alternate future versions of characters were usable, as per the Gladiator example. I argue that's not the same KT since his arm is not missing at all and has an eyepatch.

Post of the year.

it'll stay strong till december 31st, 2014

*Family member from the army walks up to him at the airport with a band-aid on his left cheek*

H1: "My mom said to never talk to strangers"

Originally posted by h1a8
Except that iron is heat resistant to a degree. What proof we have that vibranium can resist heat SIGNIFICANTLY beyond tungsten or even iron? I can be wrong here I admit so be nice.

Lol. I don't get why you're so invested in Hunter Prey that you are willing to forgo any form of common sense.

What proof is there that Hunter Prey Doomsday can resist any attack that is mystical in origin?

h1a8, it's useless to keep on arguing your point.

HP Doomsday is among the most hated characters on this website that I've noticed for a while.

Only entropy could defeat HP Doomsday and this website makes HP Doomsday very beatable!

It's unbelievable.

King Thor's only chance is to BFR HP Doomsday and if he can't, he's not destroying HP Doomsday.

Originally posted by ToughMind
h1a8, it's useless to keep on arguing your point.

HP Doomsday is among the most hated characters on this website that I've noticed for a while.

Only entropy could defeat HP Doomsday and this website makes HP Doomsday very beatable!

It's unbelievable.

King Thor's only chance is to BFR HP Doomsday and if he can't, he's not destroying HP Doomsday. False. That is a misconception. Entropy stopped the process of him resurrecting. They weren't out to kill him again but take him off the map. Jurgens gave his opinion on what could take Doomsday out in a brawl anyway.

Originally posted by h1a8
You must didn't read my arguments. Bran used logic that lead to a contradiction. Thus his assumption was wrong. So how did he utterly destroy me when his argument is faulty?
Then the same logic of his argument can be applied to KT's blast where he failed to disintegrate Cap's skeleton. Thus Cap's skeleton is more durable than his shield.

Anyway DD tanks the shit out of KT's blasts for the very reasons I gave.
KT can indeed hurt or kill DD with a righteous hammer throw.
But we must answer the question of whether we are using worthy KT (since it was Desak in Destroyer's body that made him see the light and not DD).

If not, the DD wins easily.
If so, then DD can still win by blitzing KT and not giving him much of a chance to do a righteous throw. But KT would definitely win some this way.

I did read your arguments, however unlike you, I also read Bran's. You lost the durability argument.

Originally posted by Silent Master
I did read your arguments, however unlike you, I also read Bran's. You lost the durability argument. you can't lose a debate when another's argument leads to a contradiction.
This is common sense.



Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Lol. I don't get why you're so invested in Hunter Prey that you are willing to forgo any form of common sense.

What proof is there that Hunter Prey Doomsday can resist any attack that is mystical in origin? lack of proof doesn't mean he can't. It's all about the intentions of the writers. I'm pretty sure if dd has problems with mystical attacks then they would have mentioned or showcased it. But he did tanked several beings without a scratch whose power was of mystical origin.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
it'll stay strong till december 31st, 2014

*Family member from the army walks up to him at the airport with a band-aid on his left cheek*

H1: "My mom said to never talk to strangers"

Also, besides the fact that Doomsday has no feats where he actually blitzes anyone, Thor can react to him anyway.

Here is Thialfi removing everyone's weapons in a panel. There is quite a load of weapons there.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Thorv2072_19.jpg

Here is King Thor about to enter the Odinsleep, and after taking a sleeping elixir matching Thialfi in sword play for a page:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/thor74Page018.jpg

And although Doomsday may or may not have adapted past a timestop (although it seemed much more like TP), a timestop should still temporarily slow him down:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/thor79Page_018.jpg



Also, Desak was straight up said to be immune to Godly weapons.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/thor77Page_017.jpg

If we're under the assumption that Mjolnir that was created by Gods, and enchanted by the God ODIN's magic is not a Godly weapon, then I don't know what the **** we're supposed to believe. Not to mention all the times Desak was previously hit by Mjolnir to no real effect.
Fact is, the Destroyer armor assimilated with Desak, and was empowered by the jewel that gave all of Desak his powers. So not only was it at least as durable as Destroyer/Desak separately, but it was also "immune" to Mjolnir/Odinforce. And Thor still one shot killed it with a hammer throw after getting beat up for comic after comic by Desak.

Which is a little more impressive than simple durability. He had to overcome the immunity and the durability of Desakstroyer, and did with one shot which completely destroyed Destroyer's head.



Also, HP Doomsday's impressive speed and how dead anyone is if they get close to him besides getting hit by random army men and a humanoid being for the first half of the first book:
Radiant escaped his grasp easily
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/HaCsAHunter-Prey-03-09.jpg

He doesn't hit Superman once even though he's got his claws in him, which Superman just stood and watched:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/HaCsAHunter-Prey-03-19.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/HaCsAHunter-Prey-03-20.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/HaCsAHunter-Prey-03-21.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/HaCsAHunter-Prey-03-22.jpg

Concussed Superman with a broken arm knocking Doomsday around even though Doomsday got the drop on him:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/HaCsAHunter-Prey-03-37.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/HaCsAHunter-Prey-03-38.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/HaCsAHunter-Prey-03-39.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/HaCsAHunter-Prey-03-40.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/HaCsAHunter-Prey-03-41.jpg

Waverider is able to simply fly up and pluck his band from Doomsday:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/HaCsAHunter-Prey-03-43.jpg

Superman intercepts his jump while he was turned around, and then takes two punches from Doomsday to no real effect (the scans I showed of the sword cutting immediately follow this):
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/HaCsAHunter-Prey-03-26.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/HaCsAHunter-Prey-03-27-28.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/HaCsAHunter-Prey-03-29.jpg

Another interesting point, is that Doomsday's kneebone was broken off the entire first comic of HP from his "Death of Superman" fight, and didn't grow back until issue 3 (he wasn't seen in issue 2, but we can stow the talk of him simply growing it in a panel considering he didn't for a full issue). Which brings about questions of how quick he actually regenerates.
First time we see him in issue 1:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/DoomsdayHunterPrey1pg13.jpg

Last time:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/DoomsdayHunterPrey1pg49.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/DoomsdayHunterPrey1pg50.jpg


Call me crazy, but a guy who can destroy the Destroyer's head at range, and who at close range can one shot Cap's shield with his eyes among everything he could do with Mjolnir should have no issues dealing with Doomsday at close range.