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Tony Stark is present when the alien fleet from Independence Day invades. He must defeat them.

Stark has his all the suits/tech/gadgets from IM3, his pal Brody and Jarvis. He receives no help from Will Smith or Goldblum. Can Stark figure out a way around the shields and defeat the alien fleet?

Stark wins

Maybe.

Not even a maybe.

Stark ftw

Not really a cakewalk, man. Goldblum stumbled upon how to lower their shields, and he was guessing. Stark is smart, but how smart? Unless he lucks out the way dude did in ID4, he has his work cut out for him. Shields>Everything in IM's arsenal.

Originally posted by The Fat Rambo
Can Stark figure out a way around the shields and defeat the alien fleet?

Nope.

Stark figures out everything Goldblum's character (David) figures out, including the virus that takes down the shields, in 10 minutes. On top of this, Stark's virus causes all of the ships to change their atmosphere systems to become toxic for all the aliens but still safe for humans. Stark then harvests the technology from the ships and adapts it for his uses. Then he makes it better.


He discovers the invasion and mitigates it in about 10 minutes. He then does everything else over 2 weeks in a montage.


Gwyneth Paltrow is still hot.

Going by feats, David >>>> Stark in computer science.

That cat was able to create a virus that was boh compatible with and took down an advanced (from his POV) and utterly alien operating system in a very short amount of time. With a 1996 PowerBook 5300 no less.

Jarvis might be a game-changer though.

Gwyneth is indeed still hot.

IDK if Stark can do this. He'll have to evade dozens of smaller enemy ships single-handedly while simultaneously taking down the mile-long one. And that's just one mile-long ship. and let's not forget that Farmer Spud had to die to take one down. As far as taking down the mothership, the only reason Goldblum and Smith got as far as they did to plant the virus was because they snuck on another alien ship. IDK about Stark just flying into the mothership with no resistance whatsoever. He couldn't even handle the Chitauri invasion until he got "assistance" with a nuke (which won't work here). I don't see how he's taking on this far greater alien threat.

A lot of people polishing Stark's Iron Man in this thread.

Originally posted by Kazenji
Stark wins

Originally posted by The Fat Rambo
Shields>Everything in IM's arsenal.

This



A fleet of alien spaceships with unpentreable shields against Iron Man?

Nothing he has in his arsenal can penetrate those alien shields. His tri beam was completely ineffective again the giant beasts in Avengers. Infact Jarvis told him they will lost power before they penetrate that armor.

Tri Beams are the most powerful thing on his arsenal and Stark was getting his ass handed to him by the Chitari.

Stark is out numbered and outgunned to a fleet of shielded alien ships..

With Prep, Jarvis Wins

Originally posted by XanatosForever
A lot of people polishing Stark's Iron Man in this thread. I guess Kaz wants to see Junior RDJ

Originally posted by Lestov16
I guess Kaz wants to see Junior RDJ

Go back to keep looking up teen Kiefer Sutherland you homo.

How long did it take Jarvis to break into Sheilds database? Hours by being directly implanted remotely into the system..

Iron would not last 5 seconds against that invincible army of shield alien warships. Who's armor is vastly superior then his not even counting the shields

Originally posted by XanatosForever
A lot of people polishing Stark's Iron Man in this thread. Indeed. Stark has no way to reach the mother ship. He also has no way of infecting it with a virus. Wifi, someone said? Lol, wifi aint reachign that far into space. And if it did, would it penetrate the hull of the mother ship? Nope. Also, how is Stark gonna destroy the mother ship?

He literally has no way of infecting the mother ship with the virus. The shields stay up and IM gets raped.

Jarvis or no Jarvis, prep or no prep, he has zero chance.

Originally posted by Robtard
Going by feats, David >>>> Stark in computer science.


No, not even close. Analyzing the decay of a signal and discovering that the decay had a negative linear growth is a math feat, not a computer science feat. A very simplistic math feat, at that.


Creating malware that causes a system failing DDoS is not a high-end hacking feat, either. He could have just created a buffer overflow which is something script kiddies can do. The bulk of the computer science was done by the researchers in Area 51 over decades. David just used their knowledge to create and deliver an obvious malware payload. Not so obvious to a sentient species that is used to living in almost a pure communist system where creating malware like that would cause harm to everyone: it is likely their species purged such thinking from their society thousands or millions of years ago because it was implied that this is what the alien species did to survive (took over planets, consumed their resources, and moved on).


Originally posted by Robtard
Jarvis might be a game-changer though.

This is correct. Jarvis appears to be able to pass any Turing Test and then some.

Additionally, Stark created the HUD in his Ironman suit in addition to the AI that interfaces and operates his suit...almost overnight.


Originally posted by Robtard
Gwyneth is indeed still hot.

She's still very fit, too. As you know, I like fit chicks.

Jarvis has no time, Iron Dies Hard

Originally posted by The Fat Rambo
Indeed. Stark has no way to reach the mother ship. He also has no way of infecting it with a virus. Wifi, someone said? Lol, wifi aint reachign that far into space. And if it did, would it penetrate the hull of the mother ship? Nope. Also, how is Stark gonna destroy the mother ship?

He literally has no way of infecting the mother ship with the virus. The shields stay up and IM gets raped.

Jarvis or no Jarvis, prep or no prep, he has zero chance.

He can barley make it out of orbit, n people think he can make it into space..

Great post!

Even with Shields Down he gets wrecked, that armor on the ships is insane. And there are way to many. He gets wrecked.

Originally posted by The Fat Rambo
wifi aint reachign that far into space.

lol


Radio signals are what make up Wi-fi. Radio signals most certainly can and do make it to space. We can detect radio signals billions upon billions of miles away. Freshman college students can and do conduct homework assignments where they detect little ol' Betty's Wi-fi signal hundreds of miles away. The reason they cannot detect it further? The curvature of the earth is getting in the way! haha

And the aliens seem to be able to communicate with each other, just fine: yes, signals can and will penetrate their hull as their communication network was the primary delivery medium for David's virus. David just uploaded it to the mother-ship because he's not smart enough to uplink through the communication network.

What David did was like walking into a highly secured Server room and attaching a USB stick directly to a server rather than using a remote terminal to do the same. He's just a weak hacker.


Something Tony Stark is not. Tony has shown multiple times that he's probably second to none when it comes to his hacking, cracking, and infiltration skills.

Originally posted by dadudemon
lol


Radio signals are what make up Wi-fi. Radio signals most certainly can and do make it to space. We can detect radio signals billions upon billions of miles away. Freshman college students can and do conduct homework assignments where they detect little ol' Betty's Wi-fi signal hundreds of miles away. The reason they cannot detect it further? The curvature of the earth is getting in the way! haha

And the aliens seem to be able to communicate with each other, just fine: yes, signals can and will penetrate their hull as their communication network was the primary delivery medium for David's virus. David just uploaded it to the mother-ship because he's not smart enough to uplink through the communication network.

What David did was like walking into a highly secured Server room and attaching a USB stick directly to a server rather than using a remote terminal to do the same. He's just a weak hacker.


Something Tony Stark is not. Tony has shown multiple times that he's probably second to none when it comes to his hacking, cracking, and infiltration skills.

You think they can hack into the Aliens Ship Remotely while Stark is getting blasted to kingdom come by 1000 ships?

If Tony works with the military like David Levinson did, he shouldn't have any trouble...but if IM attacks head-on...he'll get owned.

Originally posted by Silent Master
If Tony works with the military like David Levinson did, he shouldn't have any trouble...but if IM attacks head-on...he'll get owned.

Even if he gets the shields down, Stark Gets wasted by 10,000 alien ships blasting him.

Originally posted by Supra
You think they can hack into the Aliens Ship Remotely while Stark is getting blasted to kingdom come by 1000 ships? Nope. the sheer number of alien craft (that are just as fast and manueverable as any suit Tony has), even without shields, will be overwhelming. There were hundreds, if not thousands of fighters within each mother ship.


Also, lol at comparing the strength of our wifi to the strength of the signals coming from the Mother ship. Epic lol. I mean it's not like they were all more advanced than us and stuff.

Originally posted by Supra
Even if he gets the shields down, Stark Gets wasted by 10,000 alien ships blasting him. This.


And no, he's not getting the shields down.

Originally posted by The Fat Rambo
Nope. the sheer number of alien craft (that are just as fast and manueverable as any suit Tony has), even without shields, will be overwhelming. There were hundreds, if not thousands of fighters within each mother ship.


Also, lol at comparing the strength of our wifi to the strength of the signals coming from the Mother ship. Epic lol. I mean it's not like they were all more advanced than us and stuff.

They are just grasping for straws that ghost them.

Wifi didn't even exist in that movie, Tony Cant fly in space in the new movies to implant the virus and all the prep fails

Aliens Win

More lol at people trying to make out David is smarter then Tony.

Originally posted by Supra

Wifi didn't even exist in that movie, Tony Cant fly in space in the new movies to implant the virus and all the prep fails


But he did have a suit for space flight.

Originally posted by The Fat Rambo



This may come as a shock to you but...


IEEE 802.11 standards did not exist in 1996 when ID4 was created.

The ID4 authors did not have a frame of reference at all for anything like Wi-fi because it simply did not exist as a standard, yet. Tony has that benefit and he seems to make quite a bit of use of wireless communication technologies including wireless hacking.





Read my original post.

What happens is, Tony Stark remotely uploads a similar virus to David's. Except it takes in less than 10 minutes to create and upload it and for it to take affect unlike David's which took hours.

On top of that, the Virus disables all of the ships making all of that beautiful technology useless.

Originally posted by dadudemon
This may come as a shock to you but...


IEEE 802.11 standards did not exist in 1996 when ID4 was created.

The ID4 authors did not have a frame of reference at all for anything like Wi-fi because it simply did not exist as a standard, yet. Tony has that benefit and he seems to make quite a bit of use of wireless communication technologies including wireless hacking.




Dude he fails and even if he doesn't they own him in the battle and wipe out the earth

How did he hack Shield? Manually being on the ship. He can't reach the mothership. He fails

Superior force in this case defeats superior thinking.

Originally posted by Supra
Dude he fails and even if he doesn't they own him in the battle and wipe out the earth

How did he hack Shield? Manually being on the ship. He can't reach the mothership. He fails

Superior force in this case defeats superior thinking.

No, the things I said are what happen.

Originally posted by Supra
Even if he gets the shields down, Stark Gets wasted by 10,000 alien ships blasting him.

Did you miss the part where I said if he works with the military like David did?

Originally posted by Silent Master
Did you miss the part where I said if he works with the military like David did?

Nope, Tell me how he gets up to the mothership and gets the virus planted? The shields block telecommunications and radio waves as well as everything else. Remember?

Originally posted by dadudemon
No, the things I said are what happen.

Your wifi isn't penetrating those shields. Tony could not even break the barrier on the tessaract. Jarvis said its unbreachable meaning neither him nor tony could breach it.

Originally posted by Supra
They are just grasping for straws that ghost them.

Wifi didn't even exist in that movie, Tony Cant fly in space in the new movies to implant the virus and all the prep fails

Aliens Win Pretty much. "Tony Stark wins because he's my hero, and....Just cuz..."...He's gonna make an uber wifi signal, then he's gonna aim it at the mother ship, THROUGH the thick ass hull, hack it, THEN he and his suits, outnumbered and outgunned 1,000 to 1, are gonna pwn tens of thousands of alien fighters, THEN destroy the dozen/s of landing craft, THEN fly into outer space, enter the mother ship, and destroy it.

Originally posted by Supra
Your wifi isn't penetrating those shields. Tony could not even break the barrier on the tessaract. Jarvis said its unbreachable meaning neither him nor tony could breach it. Not to mention the hull of the mother ship. Hell, people sometimes have trouble gettingn a wifi signal in a NYC subway.

Originally posted by Supra
Nope, Tell me how he gets up to the mothership and gets the virus planted? The shields block telecommunications and radio waves as well as everything else. Remember?

The same way David did.

Originally posted by Silent Master
The same way David did.

Originally posted by Supra


What, you don't think that Tony is capable of flying the ship from Area 51?

Originally posted by Silent Master
What, you don't think that Tony is capable of flying the ship from Area 51?

Nope, He can barley fly his own suit. Now he's gonna fly a Alien Spaceship?

Cmon..he needs will smith and he does not have will smith

Originally posted by Supra
Nope, He can barley fly his own suit. Now he's gonna fly a Alien Spaceship?




derp?

Originally posted by Kazenji


derp?

It's Supra.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Did you miss the part where I said if he works with the military like David did? That kind of negates the thread

Originally posted by dadudemon
This may come as a shock to you but...


IEEE 802.11 standards did not exist in 1996 when ID4 was created.

The ID4 authors did not have a frame of reference at all for anything like Wi-fi because it simply did not exist as a standard, yet. Tony has that benefit and he seems to make quite a bit of use of wireless communication technologies including wireless hacking.





Read my original post.

What happens is, Tony Stark remotely uploads a similar virus to David's. Except it takes in less than 10 minutes to create and upload it and for it to take affect unlike David's which took hours.

On top of that, the Virus disables all of the ships making all of that beautiful technology useless. Prove the mothership will be susceptible to a "WiFi attack"

Originally posted by Lestov16
That kind of negates the thread

Not really, the OP only stated that he doesn't get help from Smith and Jeff's characters, he said nothing about the rest of the planet.

Originally posted by Silent Master
It's Supra.

He probably hasn't even seen the Iron Man movies or doesn't remember much of them.

Even when considering how ridiculously stupid as the Aliens were in ID4 I think their numbers are to much for Iron Man. I don't think it's even a question if Stark could figure out a way around the Aliens shields but I don't think he would have time. He would be to busy retreating from the endless onslaught of Alien ships. Unless he has time to prepare he doesn't stand a chance. I'm sure with time to prepare there wouldn't even be a battle. As dude pointed out, the Aliens from ID4 have such a gaping weakness. Once Tony and Jarvis calibrated a proper virus all Tony has to do is get it delivered to the mother ships database. Now, how easy can Tony do this I think is another question. If he has to go to Space and deliver the virus manually he may have trouble, but if goldblum can figure it out, Stark certainly can.

Originally posted by Silent Master
The same way David did. David had an alien craft that ALLOWED him to enter the ship and dock with it. Explain how IM ENTERS the mother ship. And no more of this wifi BS.

Originally posted by The Fat Rambo
David had an alien craft that ALLOWED him to enter the ship and dock with it. Explain how IM ENTERS the mother ship. And no more of this wifi BS.

By using the alien craft.

Originally posted by Silent Master
By using the alien craft. Is this before or after he is blown to bits trying to take down one of the mile long ships and their massive armada. How is he getting the alien craft?

Originally posted by Lestov16
Is this before or after he is blown to bits trying to take down one of the mile long ships and their massive armada. How is he getting the alien craft?

Did you miss my first post?

Originally posted by dadudemon
No, not even close. Analyzing the decay of a signal and discovering that the decay had a negative linear growth is a math feat, not a computer science feat. A very simplistic math feat, at that.


Creating malware that causes a system failing DDoS is not a high-end hacking feat, either. He could have just created a buffer overflow which is something script kiddies can do. The bulk of the computer science was done by the researchers in Area 51 over decades. David just used their knowledge to create and deliver an obvious malware payload. Not so obvious to a sentient species that is used to living in almost a pure communist system where creating malware like that would cause harm to everyone: it is likely their species purged such thinking from their society thousands or millions of years ago because it was implied that this is what the alien species did to survive (took over planets, consumed their resources, and moved on).


Was not talking about his finding of the decaying signal. My comment was directed at David's hacking/virus creating feats.

That is incorrect and here's why:

It was David who did it all and from scratch. The ship was effectively turned off since 1947 until the aliens arrived. Data said something like "we could repair the physical damage, but we could not replicate their power source". The US government conceivably only had access into the ships systems for a couple days or so.

We're talking about hacking into and adapting to an advanced and utterly alien (ie not human) software and he did it with an older MacBook in a very short amount of time.

Originally posted by Kazenji
More lol at people trying to make out David is smarter then Tony.

Stark builds flying war machines and creates miniature nuclear reactors .....while David is good with computers.....

Originally posted by Kazenji
He probably hasn't even seen the Iron Man movies or doesn't remember much of them.

More lies

LOL at this Stark wankage. I would expect better from all of you (except Kandy Kaz). Stark and the rest of the Avengers were on the verge of getting their shit wrecked until a nuke came into play, and that was against some humanoids with hoverpads. Hilarious how all the IM fanboys seem to ignore how the phuck he's getting past this:

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1. How the phuck is he getting past that entire alien armada single-handedly?

2.WTF does IM have in his arsenal equal to the missile Spud detonated in the mile-long ship?

I demand screenfeats.

The Chitari wrecked the avengers

Yet Iron Man is supposed to take down a threat who could probably WTFpwn the Chituari with one mile-long ship. But IM is supposed to stop all of them all over the world. And take down the mothership.

Oh no, wait, I'm sorry. Silent Master already conceded that he'll need help, so yeah. IM can't do it. Silly IM fanboys

Originally posted by Lestov16
Yet Iron Man is supposed to take down a threat who could probably WTFpwn the Chituari with one mile-long ship. But IM is supposed to stop all of them all over the world. And take down the mothership.

Oh no, wait, I'm sorry. Silent Master already conceded that he'll need help, so yeah. IM can't do it. Silly IM fanboys


What do you mean I conceded? my first post in this thread stated that he'd lose unless he worked with the military like David did, so it's not like I've made any biased claims or was wanking Iron-man.

If he gets a pilot similar to Smith he could get into the mother ship just like Smith and David did--remember after it went in, autopilot guided it to the parking spot. I think he could figure out the same solution. this is a guy who looks at a giant table model of a town and sees a pattern that his dead father left him and somehow uses it to build a new element on the periodic table (that all the world physicists and chemists had failed to do, or even close to do I presume) that he then uses to prevent arc reactor poisoning, lol. That's some heavy stuff. His computer knowledge would have to be off the charts also to have build Jarvis and all his other stuff. All-around unequaled genius (except maybe Reed Richards...maybe).

Originally posted by K-Dog
If he gets a pilot similar to Smith he could get into the mother ship just like Smith and David did--remember after it went in, autopilot guided it to the parking spot. I think he could figure out the same solution. this is a guy who looks at a giant table model of a town and sees a pattern that his dead father left him and somehow uses it to build a new element on the periodic table (that all the world physicists and chemists had failed to do, or even close to do I presume) that he then uses to prevent arc reactor poisoning, lol. That's some heavy stuff. His computer knowledge would have to be off the charts also to have build Jarvis and all his other stuff. All-around unequaled genius (except maybe Reed Richards...maybe).

Best unbiased post of Stark. Excellent work +1 Rep

To create a virtual living AI is beyond anything

Tony> Reed

Originally posted by Lestov16
LOL at this Stark wankage. I would expect better from all of you (except Kandy Kaz). s.

You seriously want to play that game do you?.....the old name calling card

Originally posted by Supra
Best unbiased post of Stark. Excellent work +1 Rep

To create a virtual living AI is beyond anything

Tony> Reed

Now who's flip flopping troll

Originally posted by Kazenji
You seriously want to play that game do you?.....the old name calling card



Now who's flip flopping troll
Asshat

Originally posted by Supra
Asshat


You know all about being that.

Doesn't change anything stark gets wasted

Originally posted by Kazenji
You know all about being that.

luca_blightundead

Originally posted by Silent Master
By using the alien craft. Ahahahhaaaa, hell, why not just use an X Wing? Or his death star?

Originally posted by Supra
luca_blightundead

Yeah that's one of my email

whats yours?......asshatUranus?

Originally posted by Kazenji
Yeah that's one of my email

whats yours?......asshatUranus?

nope its [email protected]

Originally posted by The Fat Rambo
Ahahahhaaaa, hell, why not just use an X Wing? Or his death star?

Are you claiming that Tony or one of the dozens of military people are incapable of flying the ship?

Originally posted by Silent Master
Are you claiming that Tony or one of the dozens of military people are incapable of flying the ship?

Tony could not fly that Aircraft.

Prove it.

Originally posted by Kazenji
Prove it.

Prove he can fly any aircraft or starship.

No, Don't send question back at me...you answer it.

Originally posted by Supra
Tony could not fly that Aircraft.

Even if true, there are still dozens of pilots on the base or hell, he could have his AI fly it.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Even if true, there are still dozens of pilots on the base or hell, he could have his AI fly it.

Show us Jarvis flying anything on his own..

Will Smith was a born pilot awaiting approval to Nasa..

Originally posted by Supra
Show us Jarvis flying anything on his own..

Will Smith was a born pilot awaiting approval to Nasa..

We see Jarvis running machines in pretty much every movie Iron-man has been in, so why exactly wouldn't it be able to control the ship?

Originally posted by Silent Master
We see Jarvis running machines in pretty much every movie Iron-man has been in, so why exactly wouldn't it be able to control the ship?



Running an automated assembly plant is a little different then flying a star ship from another planet isn't it? We need proof he can fly a ship before we can assume he can fly a starship

Originally posted by Silent Master
Are you claiming that Tony or one of the dozens of military people are incapable of flying the ship? Why are we even talking about the alien ship? It's not at Tony's disposal, as per the OP. It's Tony, Brody, Jarvis and all of Tony's suits/tech/gadgets. That's it. That was the point of my sarcasm in the post you quoted.


Also, what Supra just said.

Originally posted by The Fat Rambo
Why are we even talking about the alien ship? It's not at Tony's disposal, as per the OP. It's Tony, Brody, Jarvis and all of Tony's suits/tech/gadgets. That's it. That was the point of my sarcasm in the post you quoted.


Also, what Supra just said.

Your OP only barred Jeff and Will's characters from helping, you said nothing about everyone else in the movie and Supram is ignoring that Jarvis did more than just control an assembly plant.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Your OP only barred Jeff and Will's characters from helping, you said nothing about everyone else in the movie and Supram is ignoring that Jarvis did more than just control an assembly plant. The OP implies that it is just Stark and his resources. It does not say "Stark receives help from the military."

Deal with it.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Your OP only barred Jeff and Will's characters from helping, you said nothing about everyone else in the movie and Supram is ignoring that Jarvis did more than just control an assembly plant.

How is Tony Flying his Suit to the "mothership?"

Originally posted by The Fat Rambo
The OP implies that it is just Stark and his resources. It does not say "Stark receives help from the military."

Deal with it.

Again, the OP only bares 2 characters, that leaves the rest of the people in the movie fair game.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Again, the OP only bares 2 characters, that leaves the rest of the people in the movie fair game.

How does Tony Fly to the mothership when his suit cannot even leave orbit?

Originally posted by Supra
How does Tony Fly to the mothership when his suit cannot even leave orbit?

He has a space suit

think about it.

Originally posted by Kazenji
He has a space suit

think about it.

No he does not. Now your lying.

Originally posted by Supra
No he does not. Now your lying.

And you don't ?


Gemini armor (space suit)

http://marvel-movies.wikia.com/wiki/Iron_Man_(armor)

Originally posted by Kazenji
And you don't ?


Gemini armor (space suit)

http://marvel-movies.wikia.com/wiki/Iron_Man_(armor)

More lies or obfuscation

"Mark XXXIX: "Gemini" Suborbital Armor. Suit's external repulsors could propel it to escape velocity, just not fast enough to achieve orbit. Deployed by J.A.R.V.I.S. to Miami as per the "House Party" protocol in Iron Man 3."

Show me screen feats of him being able to fly in outpace in any movie. All I've seen is his armor losing power, icing and losing power when he crossed dimensions in Avengers taking that nuke up.

He cannot fly in space at all or break the record as he tried to do in Iron Man.

I accept you concession with your own proof that you didn't even read.

Thank you.

Now your starting to sound like Quanchi.

Originally posted by Kazenji
Now your starting to sound like Quanchi.

You just lost by providing me proof of your ignorance to read before you speak vigilante.

Originally posted by Kazenji
Now your starting to sound like Quanchi.

Only starting? You'll notice that he's also ignoring that Jarvis has controlled multiple armors..as according to him Jarvis is only able to control assembly line machines.

"Mark XXXIX: "Gemini" Suborbital Armor. Suit's external repulsors could propel it to escape velocity, just not fast enough to achieve orbit. Deployed by J.A.R.V.I.S. to Miami as per the "House Party" protocol in Iron Man 3."

So its not fast enough to do that, But it can be used in space.

Originally posted by Kazenji
So its not fast enough to do that, But it can be used in space.

No it cant, he lost power in space in avengers quit telling lies. You lost.

I'm talking about that Gemini suit, Jackass

not the one he had in the Avengers movie.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Again, the OP only bares 2 characters, that leaves the rest of the people in the movie fair game. That's not how it works here. Only persons/items/gear listed in the OP, or banned in the OP, count.


Also, the Mother Ship is shielded too. How does Stark get past that? Sick burn.

The only people banned are Jeff and Will's characters, that still leaves a planet full of people.

Originally posted by Kazenji
I'm talking about that Gemini suit, Jackass

not the one he had in the Avengers movie.

How does he get into space with space armor that can't even get him into space?

"Mark XXXIX: "Gemini" Suborbital Armor. Suit's external repulsors could propel it to escape velocity, just not fast enough to achieve orbit. Deployed by J.A.R.V.I.S. to Miami as per the "House Party" protocol in Iron Man 3."

Suborbital armor that cant get him into orbit..<Fail...


Show me screen shots of any of his armor working in space.

Originally posted by Silent Master
The only people banned are Jeff and Will's characters, that still leaves a planet full of people. Nah, what I said. My thread, my OP, my rules.

Your op only banned two characters, that leaves an entire planet full of people for Iron-man to work with.

^^hes baiting in all forums, just hit ignore like I did to make him a truly "silent master"

And you shall have peace.

DDM's wifi argument, as asinine as it sounds on the surface, is actually quite a plausible scenario in this particular thread.

Originally posted by Epicurus
DDM's wifi argument, as asinine as it sounds on the surface, is actually quite a plausible scenario in this particular thread.

Alien Shields>"wifi" which we still cant get right on this earth

This fool again

disgust

Originally posted by Kazenji
This fool again

disgust

How does he get into space with space armor that can't even get him into space?

"Mark XXXIX: "Gemini" Suborbital Armor. Suit's external repulsors could propel it to escape velocity, just not fast enough to achieve orbit. Deployed by J.A.R.V.I.S. to Miami as per the "House Party" protocol in Iron Man 3."

Suborbital armor that cant get him into orbit..<Fail...


Show me screen shots of any of his armor working in space.

Not going to answer it, Until you answer my one which you push back towards me.

Originally posted by Kazenji
Not going to answer it, Until you answer my one which you push back towards me.

I answered yours, his armor does not work in space, he has no screen feats to prove any of his armor works in space, his own "space armor" can't even get him into space or orbit.

Fail

Originally posted by Supra
Alien Shields>"wifi" which we still cant get right on this earth
Those alien shields were penetrated by a virus transmitted via Cold War era radio technology. Like you yourself, your argument fails as ever.

Originally posted by Kazenji
Not going to answer it, Until you answer my one which you push back towards me.

where is your question?

Up your arse.

Originally posted by Kazenji
Up your arse.

Man I love Australia, good times, free drinks and the women..epic!

But your only 12 years old.

Originally posted by Kazenji
But your only 12 years old.

Your whole argument failed just like you "space armor" which can't even make it into space.

Originally posted by The Fat Rambo
Tony Stark is present when the alien fleet from Independence Day invades. He must defeat them.

Stark has his all the suits/tech/gadgets from IM3, his pal Brody and Jarvis. He receives no help from Will Smith or Goldblum. Can Stark figure out a way around the shields and defeat the alien fleet?

End of thread,

Tony has space armor that can't even get him into space


"Mark XXXIX: "Gemini" Suborbital Armor. Suit's external repulsors could propel it to escape velocity, just not fast enough to achieve orbit. Deployed by J.A.R.V.I.S. to Miami as per the "House Party" protocol in Iron Man 3."

Suborbital armor that cant get him into orbit..<Fail...

They have no alien space ship capable of disguising there entry into the mothership.

Jarvis could not even shut down the tessaract shields as the shield was unbreachable.

Tessaract Alien Technology>Alien Shields>Jarvis, "wifi" or any other argument

No way to get to the mothership to implant the virus as they have no alien ship to do so

Humanity Loses.

Originally posted by Supra
End of thread,

Tony has space armor that can't even get him into space


"Mark XXXIX: "Gemini" Suborbital Armor. Suit's external repulsors could propel it to escape velocity, just not fast enough to achieve orbit. Deployed by J.A.R.V.I.S. to Miami as per the "House Party" protocol in Iron Man 3."

Suborbital armor that cant get him into orbit..<Fail...

They have no alien space ship capable of disguising there entry into the mothership.

Jarvis could not even shut down the tessaract shields as the shield was unbreachable.

Tessaract Alien Technology>Alien Shields>Jarvis, "wifi" or any other argument

No way to get to the mothership to implant the virus as they have no alien ship to do so

Humanity Loses. This.

Originally posted by Lestov16


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1. How the phuck is he getting past that entire alien armada single-handedly?

2.WTF does IM have in his arsenal equal to the missile Spud detonated in the mile-long ship?

I demand screenfeats.

I love it when IM fanboys ignore my indisputable arguments

Originally posted by Epicurus
Those alien shields were penetrated by a virus transmitted via Cold War era radio technology. Like you yourself, your argument fails as ever.

Actually, you're the failer here. How's he getting to the mothership? He doesn't even have armor that get go into space. Is he going to bypass all of the ships on Earth? How will he manage that? How's he sneaking on the mothership without an alien ship, which the OP barred?

And even if he takes down the mothership with wifi ( ), there will still be a platoon of these phuckers:
http://www.miraclesandinspiration.com/images/independence_day_ufo.jpg on Earth

How is he taking down the mile-long ships? It's not like Avengers where he (somehow? ) takes down the mothership and the rest fall too. Again, how's he taking down the mile-long ships? He doesn't have anything in his arsenal equal to the yield of the missile Farmer Spud kamikaze-ed into the mile long ship, and even if he did, he would probably die in the process, and there are still hundreds more ships all around the planet. Ergo, he loses.

Stop hanging around Kaz. You don't want to catch his epic case of fail.

Originally posted by Supra



Show me screen shots of any of his armor working in space.

The IM fanboys make asses out of u and me......but mainly themselves

Originally posted by Supra
You think they can hack into the Aliens Ship Remotely while Stark is getting blasted to kingdom come by 1000 ships?

Sure, if OP designed the thread conditions to be where thousands of ships, megaships, and the mothership are just hovering right over Stark's mansion, yeah, Stark would have no chance and the thread would be closed because it's clearly a spite thread at that point.

But I took the thread's opening post to mean that Stark gets the same conditions that David got: several days to analyze (if he needed it) and several days after the first attack.

This also isn't Stark in his Iron-man suit, like some old - west standoff, against the entire Alien forces: that's just a stupid match up and the thread would be closed because of "spite."

The opening post says, "Stark has his all the suits/tech/gadgets from IM3, his pal Brody and Jarvis. He receives no help from Will Smith or Goldblum. Can Stark figure out a way around the shields and defeat the alien fleet?" So I take it to mean David and Will Smith's character just don't exist in this thread and Stark has to basically defeat the aliens without David's or Will's insight.

In which case, yes, Stark could do what David did and then some.

OP, clarify: have I interpreted your thread conditions correctly? If I have not, then the thread should be closed because it is clearly spite.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Prove the mothership will be susceptible to a "WiFi attack"

No, you prove the Mothership is immune to a wireless networking attack.

Since the ships communicate with each other, wirelessly, they have a communication weakness and a medium by which Tony can deliver his malware payload.

Basically, are you forgetting that the only reason David's plan worked is because his malware payload, which he had no choice but to upload to the mothership because he lacked the technology and knowledge to attack the alien's wireless communication network, was wirelessly communicated to all the ships which disabled their shields?

No the burden of proof sits on those stating that the aliens have immunity to attacks to their wireless communication networks, which David explicitly proved was susceptible to attack in the film. Meaning, you have an uphill battle to prove they are immune to the very attack that took down their shields.

Originally posted by Robtard
Was not talking about his finding of the decaying signal. My comment was directed at David's hacking/virus creating feats.

That is incorrect and here's why:

It was David who did it all and from scratch. The ship was effectively turned off since 1947 until the aliens arrived. Data said something like "we could repair the physical damage, but we could not replicate their power source". The US government conceivably only had access into the ships systems for a couple days or so.

We're talking about hacking into and adapting to an advanced and utterly alien (ie not human) software and he did it with an older MacBook in a very short amount of time.

This is incorrect, as well. They had literally decades to analyze their systems and they did so. They got so good at analyzing and understanding their systems that they were able to repair that ship to a working state so functionally that it allowed the ship to make a fully functional trans-atmospheric trip into space.

That's well beyond just a couple of days of research: that's decades of analysis and reverse engineering. Or do you think just a couple of days is all it took to fabricate the parts to repair the ship and correctly integrate with their systems? In which case, I disagree.

Originally posted by dadudemon

No, you prove the Mothership is immune to a wireless networking attack.

Since the ships communicate with each other, wirelessly, they have a communication weakness and a medium by which Tony can deliver his malware payload.


Proof of this wireless communication system? I don't recall a scene in ID4 in which this system is shown. How is he going to access this system? A Google search? And proof that hacking the wireless communication system will somehow....make all of the ships blow up? If IM hacked into, say, SIPRNet, would he then have control over all of the USAF weapons and aircraft? Seems like you're making some logical leaps.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Proof of this wireless communication system?

Read the thread or watch the film again (for probably the 10th time...because we've all watched that film 10 times) and there's your answer.

Look over my posts in this thread if you want the answer more quickly.

How will he access it? Again, you act like he can hack their system as easy as he can do a google search. And again, how will hacking their communication system give him control over all of their systems. If somebody hacked my CB radio, would they suddenly have control over the entire truck, down to the windshield wipers? Again, prove hacking the communication system will somehow be the be-all end-all solution to the invasion.

Originally posted by Lestov16
How will he access it? Again, you act like he can hack their system as easy as he can do a google search. And again, how will hacking their communication system give him control over all of their systems. If somebody hacked my CB radio, would they suddenly have control over the entire truck, down to the windshield wipers? Again, prove hacking the communication system will somehow be the be-all end-all solution to the invasion.

Originally posted by dadudemon
No, you prove the Mothership is immune to a wireless networking attack.



I think you misunderstand how the burden of proof works, here: the burden is on you to prove that the aliens have specifically hardened their systems against such an attack (when a very similar attack already worked on their systems).


If you cannot provide evidence of their security mitigation, the attacks can and will work especially since Tony can and has shown hacking, even against systems are specifically hardened against such an attack, work.


Edit - Since David was able to upload a virus that took control of their systems, Tony will be able to do the same except to a much much greater degree. This is the justification for why Tony succeeds compared to David. David does not even come close to being the computer scientist or hacker that Tony is. You're also forgetting that Tony has a true AI system that appears to be self-aware that he built, himself.

So it goes from wireless communication system, to entire wireless network? Do they have an entire wireless network? I'll need screenfeats for proof.

I'm not asking if he can hack the communication system, because you've convinced me it's possible, but how will hacking their COMMUNICATION SYSTEM lead to an attack on their entire computer network?

Burden of proof is actually on you to prove that accessing their mere communication system will give access to their entire defense grid. Prove their communication system is even a part of their defense grid.

Originally posted by Lestov16
So it goes from wireless communication system, to entire wireless network? I'm not asking if he can hack the system, because you've convinced me it's possible, but how will hacking their COMMUNICATION SYSTEM lead to an attack on their entire computer network?

Burden of proof is actually on you to prove that accessing their mere communication system will give access to their entire defense grid.


No, the burden of proof is on your to prove that their system is hardened against that specific attack vector.


Still waiting for that evidence...


Edit - Are you aware how hardening information systems work? You literally have to harden your system to mitigate specific attack techniques. The aliens clearly did not have a firewall in place to prevent the propagation of a virus to all their ships. Since humans literally did not have an 802.11 standard (nor were they aware of how the alien ships communicated with each other except that it was radio waves (the signal was a radio signal or a microwave signal because that's what those satellite dishes detect...but it is usually radio waves)) or technology, they did not really have the devices in place that could be used to upload a virus to any ship or system. That's what David did when he "hooked up" to the mothership: he uploaded it to their system and pretty much took over their shield systems (remember, his virus also took over their OSDs by displaying that laughing skull...so he took over their video and audio, to some extent...which is pretty dang funny at how crappy their Information Systems Security was). In fact, there is 0 evidence of any type of security features to the alien's Information Systems...none...

In fact, security was so lax that a human was able to figure out their exact "attack launch" time. That's like getting the information on exactly when troops are going to do a secret strike. It would seem that the aliens have no concept of IT Security. They wouldn't need it as their culture appears to be a purely communistic culture where everything is shared (which is an old Sci-Fi idea of how almost purely spaceship dwelling societies would have to be in order to function).

Edit 2 - In fact, I'll concede the entire point if you can provide any evidence at all of the aliens having some sort of IT Security in place for their ships.


I already see an attack vector that could easily be used by Stark and Jarvis: the two-way handshake going on between that little spacecraft and the mothership proves that there is a synchronous (always-on) network connection between all ships and the mother ship. That two-way connection is problem #1 for the aliens and a malicious payload can (and was, in the film), delivered via that synchronous communication network between all ships.

The reason I am pretty sure that the aliens use Radio Waves for their communication (rather than microwaves) is it

1. Appears to be a blanket signal
2. Was picked up by human communication devices rather easily, and
3. Proximity to the source (the mothership) is what activated the little ship.

Those are all 3 signs of a radio-wave communication network where every node in the network has high-level system access and functions as a transceiver (because the shields got knocked out on all ships, not just the mothership, when malicious payload was uploaded).

Why the hell are you talking about what David did? IM can't replicate that because he can't sneak on the mothership. Prove the system David hacked into is the same as the wireless communication system IM would hack into.

You seem to be confused by my question. I'm not asking if he can hack into the communication system. I'm asking how will accessing their communication system get him to the defense grid David accessed? How do you know the communication system and the defense grid David accessed are even a part of the same network? It's like saying that if somebody hacked my phone's landline, they'd be able to shut off my microwave. Every electrical system is not a part of the same network.

Burden of proof is on you to prove hacking the communication system will give access to their entire network, mister mon.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Why the hell are you talking about what David did? IM can't replicate that because he can't sneak on the mothership.

I've already explained why. Read my posts again.

It is extremely important to understand what David did and how is plan worked to understand my points.


Jarvis is hacking the mothership and any ships, wirelessly, with ease.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Burden of proof is on you to prove hacking the communication system will give access to their entire network, mister mon.


That's not how IT Security works. When you're audited to see if your systems are secure, you prove that your systems can withstand specific attacks.


It is not the other way around. That makes no sense in the real world. lol


Edit - Prove that the alien's wireless network is hardened against unauthorized access attempts. lol

Prove that the aliens even have IT security in place. lol

Prove that the aliens even have an ACL (even if the ACL is not enforced). lol

Originally posted by dadudemon

I already see an attack vector that could easily be used by Stark and Jarvis

blabbity-blah

Once again, prove that this attack will do anything other than merely mess up the alien's communications. Prove that hacking their COMMUNICATION system will give access to their entire defense network and self-destruct their ships. All you've proven is that Tony can mess with their communications. That DEFINITELY is not enough to win here.

Originally posted by dadudemon



Edit - Prove that the alien's wireless network is hardened against unauthorized access attempts. lol

Prove that the aliens even have IT security in place. lol
https://fuuka.warosu.org/data/tg/img/0255/74/1371891885208.jpg

Originally posted by Lestov16
Once again, prove that this attack will do anything other than merely mess up the alien's communications. Prove that hacking their COMMUNICATION system will give access to their entire defense network and self-destruct their ships. All you've proven is that Tony can mess with their communications. That DEFINITELY is not enough to win here.

David already proved that: virus went to all ships, not just he mothership. Their network is insecure.


Now the ball is in your court to prove that the aliens have wireless security.




Let me make it more clear: David did not have any type of devices that could interface with their wireless network because, and I repeat: those technologies did not exist in 1996. lol


Stark not only has access to those technologies, he can fabricate his own even if they did not exist.



I'll keep asking you to prove that the aliens have any IT Security.

Originally posted by Lestov16
https://fuuka.warosu.org/data/tg/img/0255/74/1371891885208.jpg

I know you missed the point. It's okay: IT Security isn't for everyone.

It's like arguing with a wall
I'm done for the moment. I can't seem to talk any sense into you. Maybe Robtard can sooth this beastly stupidity. Godspeed to him.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Now the ball is in your court to prove that the aliens have wireless security.

Actually, the ball is in your court to prove their defense grid and wireless communication system are part of the same network. Hop to it, mon. smoke

tell it like it is DDM..

Do not support DDM's falsehoods, BruceShark.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Actually, the ball is in your court to prove their defense grid and wireless communication system are part of the same network. Hop to it, mon. smoke

I don't need to prove that, at all. There's no reason to assume that that is a requirement. That's just something you've made up to pretend it is even slightly a relevant point.


Regardless, it's already proven. For the third time, all ships were affected when David uploaded it to the mother ship: therefore, communications happen between all ships. Lemme make it more clear why your point is so dumb: you want me to pretend the systems are compartmentalized, firstly, and then you want me to prove that IT Security exists between each compartmentalized system when neither assumptions are shown on screen. You can't just make up stuff for me to argue against. That's not how debate works.*

It's like talking to an idiot: you simply do not understand why it is paramount to you prove the aliens have any form of security.


Go ahead: I'll wait for it. Prove that the aliens have any form of IT Security for their computing systems. Any.


*Here, I'll use your tactic. Lestov16, you need to prove that a toddler pressing any button inside the small ship won't send a signal to all the ships to explode. Until then, all ships have a self-destruct button that will cause all the ships in the fleet to explode. Prove that the aliens don't have that explode button in their ships.

Originally posted by dadudemon


Regardless, it's already proven. For the third time, all ships were affected when David uploaded it to the mother ship

Was David uploading it into the wireless communication system IM will be forced to use?
No

Originally posted by dadudemon
therefore, communications happen between all ships.

So IM can phuck with their communications. That doesn't mean he can control all of their ships.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Lemme make it more clear why your point is so dumb: you want me to pretend the systems are compartmentalized, firstly,

Prove that they aren't. You're the one making the stupid assumption that all of the alien defense systems are on the same network. Prove it.

Originally posted by dadudemon
and then you want me to prove that IT Security exists between each compartmentalized system when neither assumptions are shown on screen.

No. I just want you to demonstrate how accessing the communication system (the only wireless system we see) gives access to the entire defense grid.

Originally posted by dadudemon
You can't just make up stuff for me to argue against. That's not how debate works.*

I'm not making stuff up. You're the one who thinks that accessing the mere communication system will grant access to the entire network. You can't make assumptions. That's not how debates work

Originally posted by dadudemon
It's like talking to an idiot: you simply do not understand why it is paramount to you prove the aliens have any form of security.

You do not understand why it is paramount that you prove their entire defense grid can even be accessed through a mere communications system.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Go ahead: I'll wait for it. Prove that the aliens have any form of IT Security for their computing systems. Any.

Prove hacking a communications system grants control over the entire alien defense network.

Originally posted by dadudemon
*Here, I'll use your tactic. Lestov16, you need to prove that a toddler pressing any button inside the small ship won't send a signal to all the ships to explode. Until then, all ships have a self-destruct button that will cause all the ships in the fleet to explode. Prove that the aliens don't have that explode button in their ships.

Was an explode button seen in the ship Goldblum and Smith used? nope? Okay then. Was the entire alien defense grid shown to be accessed through a mere communications network? Nope? Okay then.

Let me use your tactic:

Iron Man has just hacked Verizon, giving control over some of the US's communications. Based on your logic, this is going to grant him the ability to turn on stoves, control garage doors, and turn on cars.

Burden's still on you to prove he can access their entire network through a mere communication system. I'll be waiting

End of thread,

Tony has space armor that can't even get him into space


"Mark XXXIX: "Gemini" Suborbital Armor. Suit's external repulsors could propel it to escape velocity, just not fast enough to achieve orbit. Deployed by J.A.R.V.I.S. to Miami as per the "House Party" protocol in Iron Man 3."

Suborbital armor that cant get him into orbit..<Fail...

They have no alien space ship capable of disguising there entry into the mothership.

Jarvis could not even shut down the tessaract shields as the shield was unbreachable.

Tessaract Alien Technology>Alien Shields>Jarvis, "wifi" or any other argument

Not even Jarvis could penetrate the shields

No way to get to the mothership to implant the virus as they have no alien ship to do so

Humanity Loses.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Was David uploading it into the wireless communication system IM will be forced to use?
No

Yes, that was the actual attack vector: it directly relied on that communication network to even work.

That's a moot point of yours, however: you must first prove that there is any security that Tony has to worry about: you haven't.


Originally posted by Lestov16
So IM can phuck with their communications. That doesn't mean he can control all of their ships.

Incorrect. He can do anything he wants with their ships.

The burden is on you to prove that they have security in place to prevent that. Remember, the only "intelligence" issue that the human race faced was just figuring out their systems: something Tony is definitely better at than David as Tony is literally the best engineer on earth and definitely and vastly eclipses David.



Originally posted by Lestov16
Prove that they aren't. You're the one making the stupid assumption that all of the alien defense systems are on the same network. Prove it.

Here is your problem: you want me to prove that he can get through their defense systems when the defenses systems don't even exist. You have no idea how logic works. Here is how your logic works:

Me: You cannot ride a unicorn because unicorns don't exist.

You: Unicorns buck when you get on their backs. You can't ride them because they buck.

Me: No, you cannot ride them because they do not exist.

You: Prove that a unicorn does not buck when you get on it, idiot!

Me: What in the actual f*ck.



Originally posted by Lestov16
I'm not making stuff up. You're the one who thinks that accessing the mere communication system will grant access to the entire network. You can't make assumptions. That's not how debates work

No, what I said. My assumption is what appeared on screen: no IT Security exists on the aliens spacecraft as none was exhibited.

You're clearly wrong. This is why arguments go on for pages and pages with you. You just make the same arguments over and over hoping to get a different input. You're clearly an argumentation idiot.




Originally posted by Lestov16
You do not understand why it is paramount that you prove their entire defense grid can even be accessed through a mere communications system.

First, you must prove that this "defense grid" exists. Then, if you can prove that this IT Security Defense Grid exists, then you must prove the nature of that IT Security system is hardened against unauthorized access attempts.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Prove hacking a communications system grants control over the entire alien defense network.

Did you watch the movie? Yes. David did it and took down their shields through their wireless communication system.



Originally posted by Lestov16
Was an explode button seen in the ship Goldblum and Smith used? nope? Okay then. Was the entire alien defense grid shown to be accessed through a mere communications network? Nope? Okay then.

Okay, so you now understand why your points are stupid as f*ck? Do you understand now why your arguments with people last pages and pages?

Good?

Originally posted by Lestov16
Let me use your tactic:

Iron Man has just hacked Verizon, giving control over some of the US's communications. Based on your logic, this is going to grant him the ability to turn on stoves, control garage doors, and turn on cars.

You didn't capture it properly.

In order for you to capture it properly, you'd have to make a point like this:

"Tony Stark can easily hack into Verizon's wireless data network which uses orthogonal Frequency-Division Multiple Access multiplexing algorithms of which, Tony Stark is aware. Any device using this network is now paired to Jarvis and can be remotely controlled by Jarvis using this same communication technology."*

Originally posted by Lestov16
Burden's still on you to prove he can access their entire network through a mere communication system. I'll be waiting

No, the burden is on your to prove that aliens have any sort of IT Security: they displayed none on screen. You lose by the golden rule.

Concede or I will embarrass you more.





Let me make it easier: Tony Stark is a hacker and the world's greatest computer scientist. He is so good that he has created computer technology that doesn't exist in our world. The aliens' systems will be easily accessed by Tony Stark and Jarvis because those systems have no IT Security to speak of, as seen on screen.

If you wish to dispute that the systems cannot be accessed by Tony and Jarvis, the burden of proof is on you to demonstrate that the systems have any sort of security hardening against any hackers (hint: it is not hacking if you do nothing to get access to systems...Your buddy posting a message with yoru facebook account because you left your computer logged on and with Facebook open, is not hacking: you just had no security in place).



*This is actually true. Verizon (or any major carrier) can remotely control any device on their network...which should scare the shit out of you or anyone who values their privacy.

End of thread,

Tony has space armor that can't even get him into space


"Mark XXXIX: "Gemini" Suborbital Armor. Suit's external repulsors could propel it to escape velocity, just not fast enough to achieve orbit. Deployed by J.A.R.V.I.S. to Miami as per the "House Party" protocol in Iron Man 3."

Suborbital armor that cant get him into orbit..<Fail...

They have no alien space ship capable of disguising there entry into the mothership.

Jarvis could not even shut down the tessaract shields as the shield was unbreachable.

Tessaract Alien Technology>Alien Shields>Jarvis, "wifi" or any other argument

Not even Jarvis or Repulsers could penetrate the shields, as he said its made of pure energy and unbreachable

No way to get to the mothership to implant the virus as they have no alien ship to do so

Humanity Loses.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Stark figures out everything Goldblum's character (David) figures out, including the virus that takes down the shields, in 10 minutes. On top of this, Stark's virus causes all of the ships to change their atmosphere systems to become toxic for all the aliens but still safe for humans. Stark then harvests the technology from the ships and adapts it for his uses. Then he makes it better.


He discovers the invasion and mitigates it in about 10 minutes. He then does everything else over 2 weeks in a montage.

He does this all without having to leave his lab.

The aliens all die horrible deaths and ID4 lasts 10 minutes.
/thread

Let's add another DDM-level assumption to the list:

Stark then sends a virus to the alien ship which turns all of their tech into Reeses Cups. Then he sends another virus which turns their fuel into chocolate ice cream.

Originally posted by dadudemon


Yet they have no way to get to the mothership to implant the virus

The more I think about this, the more I am confident Stark could pull it off. Some of the jet fighters survived the alien dogfight (which is PIS, but if they could, Ironman definitely could, and he would get up there and missle that sensitive spot). does he get there 10/10? No, but I bet he gets the majority. HOWEVER, the drunk cropduster will still get it blown up because he is still in the scenario, so technically we don't even need to worry if Stark can. So let's assume we definitely get past this point.
And concerning him flying--if I remember, all Will Smith had to do was use a steering wheel mostly. Remember how there was a simple "up and down" sticky note put on and at first it was upside down? Not that it was easy, but Stark is the ultimate aeronautical engineer and he has practiced in his suit a lot and would at least understand theory of flight. All he has to do is fly it up into space in a straight line--those things use some type of antigravity it looked like so he doesn't need to have the wings set right or have it going fast enough I wouldn't think. And when he gets there I believe he could have made the virus and all that.
Oh, forgive me if I forgot, but I don't remember the virus doing a whole lot cuz the main mission was to nuke the mothership, not just put a virus in it. The general said that they sent via morse code messages to other countries to tell them how to bring the other big ships down. I believe they still had to fly up and shoot them in that sensitive spot and probably took heavy casualties doing it. The virus may have kept communication down but were we ever led to believe it would keep either the fighter craft or the large craft from functioning with basic manual control? I just figured that it cut ship-to-ship communication and also destroyed the mothership for reinforcements and possibly a trip outta earth.

The more I think about it, all I saw the virus do was (PIS) cause the grip to loosen on David/ Will Smith's fighter ship and let them fly away. We don't even need a virus--Stark just needs to nuke the mother ship. Even if it is a suicide mission.

Originally posted by K-Dog
The more I think about this, the more I am confident Stark could pull it off. Some of the jet fighters survived the alien dogfight (which is PIS, but if they could, Ironman definitely could, and he would get up there and missle that sensitive spot). does he get there 10/10? No, but I bet he gets the majority.
And concerning him flying--if I remember, all Will Smith had to do was use a steering wheel mostly. Remember how there was a simple "up and down" sticky note put on and at first it was upside down? Not that it was easy, but Stark is the ultimate aeronautical engineer and he has practiced in his suit a lot and would at least understand theory of flight. All he has to do is fly it up into space in a straight line--those things use some type of antigravity it looked like so he doesn't need to have the wings set right or have it going fast enough I wouldn't think. And when he gets there I believe he could have made the virus and all that.
Oh, forgive me if I forgot, but I don't remember the virus doing a whole lot cuz the main mission was to nuke the mothership, not just put a virus in it. The general said that they sent via morse code messages to other countries to tell them how to bring the other big ships down. I believe they still had to fly up and shoot them in that sensitive spot and probably took heavy casualties doing it. The virus may have kept communication down but were we ever led to believe it would keep either the fighter craft or the large craft from functioning with basic manual control? I just figured that it cut ship-to-ship communication and also destroyed the mothership for reinforcements and possibly a trip outta earth.

The more I think about it, all I saw the virus do was (PIS) cause the grip to loosen on David/ Will Smith's fighter ship and let them fly away. We don't even need a virus--Stark just needs to nuke the mother ship. Even if it is a suicide mission.

He has no ability to reach the mothership by himself, with a suit or even a space shuttle.

Earth is Doomed

I concede the point to Lestov and Supra because I like both of them too much to continue arguing.


You guys are right: Iron-man doesn't stand a chance.

But destroying the mothership won't destroy the massive ships still down on Earth.

Originally posted by Supra
He has no ability to reach the mothership by himself, with a suit or even a space shuttle.

Earth is Doomed

Why (sorry if I missed an obvious point you made earlier)? He can just take the captured ship up like they did in the movie, assuming he has the ability or another guy can pilot it. And they are at Area 51, with some of the best test pilots anywhere--test pilots fly anything and everything.
And I bet those alien fighters have a lot of anti-crash protection built in--remember when the engineers removed the supports in the Area 51 hanger, and it's anti-gravity power allowed it to hover a couple of feet off the ground? I bet it would be hard to crash at a very low speed, until a person got the hang of flying it.

Originally posted by Lestov16
But destroying the mothership won't destroy the massive ships still down on Earth.

Correct. They have to be destroyed like the one we saw. The general said they were morse code messaging other parts of the world and the alien ships were coming down. It was all smiles and happiness at the end. We should assume the same thing will happen.

Originally posted by K-Dog
Why (sorry if I missed an obvious point you made earlier)? He can just take the captured ship up like they did in the movie, assuming he has the ability or another guy can pilot it. And they are at Area 51, with some of the best test pilots anywhere--test pilots fly anything and everything.

Read OP, there is no captured ship.

Earth is Doomed

Originally posted by Supra
Read OP, there is no captured ship.

Earth is Doomed

I was just assuming that 2 characters were taken out, and Stark was inserted.....and he had access to everything they did....hmm.....

Ok, let me interpret it this way.....he is in it....so are they....he just gets no help from them (like it says). He sits back and sips a few drinks with Miss Potts and watches everybody save earth without having to do anything.

The OP doesn't ban the captured ship, it just bans him getting help from Will and Jeff's characters.