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King Thor

VS

The Spectre

Spectre wins.
He would probably redirect KT's eyebeams or flat out tank them like he did the OE.

Originally posted by Sundipped
Spectre wins.
He would probably redirect KT's eyebeams or flat out tank them like he did the OE.

Thor has complete mastery over the Odin-force here so his offense capabilities are significant.

Spectre would wipe his @$$ with any version of Thor.

Originally posted by zopzop
Spectre would wipe his @$$ with any version of Thor.

This

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Thor has complete mastery over the Odin-force here so his offense capabilities are significant.

Wrath of God>>>>Odin Force mastery

Originally posted by Sundipped
Wrath of God>>>>Odin Force mastery

The Spectre can't render judgement on gods so there is a limitation.

How much so is the question.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
The Spectre can't render judgement on gods so there is a limitation.

How much so is the question.
Judgement? He could have put the smack down on COIE Anti-Monitor at the height of his power if he wanted to (as outright stated on panel). He'd crush ANY VERSION OF THOR.

Originally posted by zopzop
Judgement? He could have put the smack down on COIE Anti-Monitor at the height of his power if he wanted to (as outright stated on panel). He'd crush ANY VERSION OF THOR.

Well that depends of course. Spectre fluctuates a lot and beings on King Thor's level, have given him trouble in the past.

If you're using the incarnation that fought the Anti-Monitor at the end then yea, no Thor is any sort of challenge. But IIRC, Spectre was getting a ton of amps at that point.

Spectre's average showings would win. His lowest, he would lose.

Originally posted by zopzop
Spectre would wipe his @$$ with any version of Thor.

Depends on the Spectre, too, to be fair.

That said, Spectre clearly wins.

Spectre without any amp fought ZH Parallax who was able to create most of the infinite universe and fighting spectre drained him of all that energy.

http://i.imgur.com/MLEz6Tw.jpg

He can channel the power of presence itself.

http://i.imgur.com/qv6zjMY.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/mHGFtHl.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Ui30UKw.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/f9GxZWI.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/jEstuit.jpg

Create a new creation.

http://i.imgur.com/AsTJAiU.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/TNzgCjN.jpg


Fight Micahael Demiurgos himself although he lost.

http://i.imgur.com/ppJJdWv.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/bO4UVPq.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/VbGa2S7.jpg

Combine Odin, RKT and all of asgard and he would still wreck all of them with ease.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Spectre without any amp fought ZH Parallax who was able to create most of the infinite universe and fighting spectre drained him of all that energy.

http://i.imgur.com/MLEz6Tw.jpg

He can channel the power of presence itself.

http://i.imgur.com/qv6zjMY.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/mHGFtHl.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Ui30UKw.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/f9GxZWI.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/jEstuit.jpg

Create a new creation.

http://i.imgur.com/AsTJAiU.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/TNzgCjN.jpg


Fight Micahael Demiurgos himself although he lost.

http://i.imgur.com/ppJJdWv.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/bO4UVPq.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/VbGa2S7.jpg

Combine Odin, RKT and all of asgard and he would still wreck all of them with ease.

He didn't wreck Shazam inside the Rock of Eternity with ease, so he's not going to wreck Odin/RKT/Asgard with ease depending on the incarnation.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Depends on the Spectre, too, to be fair.

That said, Spectre clearly wins.
What version of Spectre would lose to ****ing King Thor who was a bruiser for the most of his run?

Originally posted by abhilegend
What version of Spectre would lose to ****ing King Thor who was a bruiser for the most of his run?

A bruiser?

Most of the time, King Thor directly used the Odin Force as he was unworthy of Mjolnir. I suggest rereading Jurgens' run if you think King Thor was a simply "bruiser" for the majority of his run.

King Thor wins.

Spectre

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
He didn't wreck Shazam inside the Rock of Eternity with ease, so he's not going to wreck Odin/RKT/Asgard with ease depending on the incarnation.
Yet he wrecked Nabu with ease and the same with Thunderbolt and destroyed so many magic users that Alex Luthor created a new multiverse using that magical energy.

That only shows just how much of a beast Shazam is inside ROE.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
A bruiser?

Most of the time, King Thor directly used the Odin Force as he was unworthy of Mjolnir. I suggest rereading Jurgens' run if you think King Thor was a simply "bruiser" for the majority of his run.
Yup, a bruiser. Even in the end he only used mjolnir as a blunt object to behead Desak Destroyer. What is that supposed to do against Spectre? Can King Thor fight Michael too and force him to say he's a formidable opponent? I don't think even you would say that.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yet he wrecked Nabu with ease and the same with Thunderbolt and destroyed so many magic users that Alex Luthor created a new multiverse using that magical energy.

That only shows just how much of a beast Shazam is inside ROE. Cap marvel with his amp wiped his ass with Spectre.

Nabu wanted to die to speed up the next age so the Spectre would be reigned in. Quit ignoring the context thread after thread.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yet he wrecked Nabu with ease and the same with Thunderbolt and destroyed so many magic users that Alex Luthor created a new multiverse using that magical energy.

That only shows just how much of a beast Shazam is inside ROE.

Black Adam provided the final ingredient for Alex's machine, that's it. Black Adam's and the Power of Shazam isn't a multiversal power...except maybe in the eyes of Big C.

Given that Shazam has pretty much shit for feats in comparison to Odin under his own power, I find it dubious at the least that Spectre would easily wreck Odin + RKT + all of Asgard when he struggled with Shazam inside of the RoE. He can certainly win, but he doesn't spite stomp them unless he's at around his best.

Plus Shazam was incredibly weakened from just fighting off Mordru. And yea, Shazam is no Odin so I'm not sure why someone would be against the idea that the All-Father or even King Thor doing about as well.

I mean, didn't Captain Marvel hold off the Spectre for a long time by himself at some point in that event? Like I said, he fluctuates a lot.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Black Adam provided the final ingredient for Alex's machine, that's it. Black Adam's and the Power of Shazam isn't a multiversal power...except maybe in the eyes of Big C.

Given that Shazam has pretty much shit for feats in comparison to Odin under his own power, I find it dubious at the least that Spectre would easily wreck Odin + RKT + all of Asgard when he struggled with Shazam inside of the RoE. He can certainly win, but he doesn't spite stomp them unless he's at around his best.
Adam merely provided the link to that raw magical energy since he was connected to shazam's energy in that wild magic. Alex outright said that Spectre provided the magical power to fuel the multiversal creation. DOV spectre was a beast.



Feats? Thunderbolt himself has better feats than KT could ever hope to have. Shazam doesn't have space cheese feats like Odin but his performance against Spectre in DOV shits on anything Odin has done in hierarchical order. Who is the most powerful being Odin has defeated who is as powerful as spectre?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Plus Shazam was incredibly weakened from just fighting off Mordru. And yea, Shazam is no Odin so I'm not sure why someone would be against the idea that the All-Father or even King Thor doing about as well.

I mean, didn't Captain Marvel hold off the Spectre for a long time by himself at some point in that event? Like I said, he fluctuates a lot.

Cap was amped by all the magic in the world or universe. Forget which one. He was beyond someone like King Thor in that respect.

Cap was amped by magic from across the universe. Roid Rage Billy was beating the phuck out of Spectre.

Yeah look at how spectre is such a weak feeb, owning Thunderbolt like shit.

http://imgur.com/iaUmyb5
http://imgur.com/CiSTLrp

Just two halves of Thunderbolt fighting nearly destroyed creation in Morrison's JLA.

What has a Thunderbolt done?

When he was amped by the Earth's magic he was beating up Spectre, at the end there both of them were practically drained. I'm referring to before the amp. I remember Marvel holding his own for some time.

You know, Captain Marvel was beating up the Spectre with punches that were said to pack the force of a small atomic bomb. I don't really think that means anything but I'm just putting it out there before a certain someone begins to lowball. Just want to make it clear its all relative.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Adam merely provided the link to that raw magical energy since he was connected to shazam's energy in that wild magic. Alex outright said that Spectre provided the magical power to fuel the multiversal creation. DOV spectre was a beast.



Feats? Thunderbolt himself has better feats than KT could ever hope to have. Shazam doesn't have space cheese feats like Odin but his performance against Spectre in DOV shits on anything Odin has done in hierarchical order. Who is the most powerful being Odin has defeated who is as powerful as spectre?

Spectre was manipulated into weakening the current age of magic and ushering in the new age of magic. Context. If Spectre didn't go apeshit, that plan would have never have panned out.

You honestly think Shazam in the RoE shits on anything Odin has done? He gave a good fight and lost. And he was prepared for Spectre, too. So unless you can prove that the RoE offers more power to Shazam than all of Asgard (not even factoring in RKT) can give to Odin, I'm just going to laugh this off as nonsense. Shazam has hardly any combat feats or even space cheese feats under his own power, let alone on the scale of Odin.

I don't think anyone remotely objective would ever put the Wizard Shazam over Odin.

Spectre wins this fight. Depending on which version this is, he either wins with ease or with some level of difficulty. Anybody that thinks that thor wins is either ignorant, delusional, or just plain stupid.

Originally posted by Golgo13
What has a Thunderbolt done?

It's been a while, but he was uber during Morrison's JLA. A rogue thunderbolt imprisoned Spectre and a battle between the two was dangerous to Earth's dimension. IIRC they were bigger then Earth at one point.

Although tbf, none of that is beyond Odin, on a high showing anyways.

Of course, once he got on the JSA, he became a lot more....ineffective. For example, Black Adam was beating the shit out of a JSA team that included the Thunderbolt.

Comics fluctuate a lot, but these obscure mystical entities are just flat out weird.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Spectre was manipulated into weakening the current age of magic and ushering in the new age of magic. Context. If Spectre didn't go apeshit, that plan would have never have panned out.

You honestly think Shazam in the RoE shits on anything Odin has done? He gave a good fight and lost. And he was prepared for Spectre, too. So unless you can prove that the RoE offers more power to Shazam than all of Asgard (not even factoring in RKT) can give to Odin, I'm just going to laugh this off as nonsense. Shazam has hardly any combat feats or even space cheese feats under his own power, let alone on the scale of Odin.

I don't think anyone remotely objective would ever put the Wizard Shazam over Odin.
That's not the low point when the manipulator was Eclipso himself. Spectre provided the raw magic by killing and destroying the ninth age of magic which provided fuel to creating a new multiverse. Feats are feats Jake. Nobody but the Presence himself could stop his rampage.

You are arguing in cycles now. Shazam is more powerful because he stalemated and even downed Spectre for a moment when Spectre was nigh-impossible to stop by everyone else and shitstomping everybody else in skyfather tier. You could provide a similar feat for Odin if you like, but I doubt it. There has been no comparison between Shazam and Odin which I could think of, so comparing feats when Odin has appeared in 9000 comics and Shazam hasn't is worthless.

Anybody with a common sense would put Shazam's fight with Spectre above Odin's paygrade.

Originally posted by deathslash
Spectre wins this fight. Depending on which version this is, he either wins with ease or with some level of difficulty. Anybody that thinks that thor wins is either ignorant, delusional, or just plain stupid.

Wow, wow, wow.

It's perfectly fine if you think Spectre wins, or even stomps but thinking Thor can win is ignorant, delusional, or just plain stupid? Spectre's track record is far from spotless.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah look at how spectre is such a weak feeb, owning Thunderbolt like shit.

http://imgur.com/iaUmyb5
http://imgur.com/CiSTLrp

Just two halves of Thunderbolt fighting nearly destroyed creation in Morrison's JLA. Originally posted by abhilegend
Spectre spitestomps this feeb. No space cheese feats at all. Right Jake? In one thread space cheese doesn't matter in another it does. Hmmm.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
It's been a while, but he was uber during Morrison's JLA. A rogue thunderbolt imprisoned Spectre and a battle between the two was dangerous to Earth's dimension. IIRC they were bigger then Earth at one point.

Although tbf, none of that is beyond Odin, on a high showing anyways.

Of course, once he got on the JSA, he became a lot more....ineffective. For example, Black Adam was beating the shit out of a JSA team that included the Thunderbolt.

Comics fluctuate a lot, but these obscure mystical entities are just flat out weird. Didn't thunderbolt oneshot Mordru?

Originally posted by deathslash
Spectre wins this fight. Depending on which version this is, he either wins with ease or with some level of difficulty. Anybody that thinks that thor wins is either ignorant, delusional, or just plain stupid.
Yeah, everytime spectre goes on a rampage its upto Presence or a plot device weapon in Spear of Destiny stops him. By the way Thorbags argue you would think that Odin is presence level or something.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Wow, wow, wow.

It's perfectly fine if you think Spectre wins, or even stomps but thinking Thor can win is ignorant, delusional, or just plain stupid? Spectre's track record is far from spotless.

Yeah, Kent Nelson stalemated Spectre a few times. Although, I would rank Classic Fate on the level of Classic Strange.

Originally posted by deathslash
Didn't thunderbolt oneshot Mordru?

The other way around.

Originally posted by abhilegend
That's not the low point when the manipulator was Eclipso himself. Spectre provided the raw magic by killing and destroying the ninth age of magic which provided fuel to creating a new multiverse. Feats are feats Jake. Nobody but the Presence himself could stop his rampage.

You are arguing in cycles now. Shazam is more powerful because he stalemated and even downed Spectre for a moment when Spectre was nigh-impossible to stop by everyone else and shitstomping everybody else in skyfather tier. You could provide a similar feat for Odin if you like, but I doubt it. There has been no comparison between Shazam and Odin which I could think of, so comparing feats when Odin has appeared in 9000 comics and Shazam hasn't is worthless.

Anybody with a common sense would put Shazam's fight with Spectre above Odin's paygrade. False. Amped Cap could have stopped him.


That is horrible logic. Shazam used artifacts and was weakened. He almost defeated the Spectre save the magical absorption.


No one would. Odin is far above Shazam. Spectre has been depowered by mere mages before in day of judgment. We aren't ignoring everything else just because you really like dc characters.

clearly spectre has a far greater well of power from which to draw. it would take some sort of plot allowance for this to be any kind of actual battle--at least spectre in the classic sense.

This thread is becoming hilarious.

Spectre shit stomped Shazam inside the ROE and an amped Captain Marvel not to mention he overrode Shazams enchantment on Billy and put him to sleep. Even with no powers Shadowpact couldn't do anything to him. And this was a hostless Spectre whom most would rate on the low end. This incarnation on up to the high end shouldn't have too much trouble with KT.

Originally posted by abhilegend
That's not the low point when the manipulator was Eclipso himself. Spectre provided the raw magic by killing and destroying the ninth age of magic which provided fuel to creating a new multiverse. Feats are feats Jake. Nobody but the Presence himself could stop his rampage.

You are arguing in cycles now. Shazam is more powerful because he stalemated and even downed Spectre for a moment when Spectre was nigh-impossible to stop by everyone else and shitstomping everybody else in skyfather tier. You could provide a similar feat for Odin if you like, but I doubt it. There has been no comparison between Shazam and Odin which I could think of, so comparing feats when Odin has appeared in 9000 comics and Shazam hasn't is worthless.

Anybody with a common sense would put Shazam's fight with Spectre above Odin's paygrade.

So, we agree that Spectre being manipulated was part of a grand design, a design Alex Luthor played on? Good.

No, I'm not. You think Shazam with all of his artifacts inside the RoE make him more powerful than Odin and all of Asgard and RKT. That's ridiculous. And the fact that Shazam struggled against Spectre doesn't somehow make him better than Odin. That's asinine and then using Odin's more prolific appearances than Shazam's as evidence AGAINST Odin is even more so.

Fact is Shazam hasn't done jackshit to be on Odin's level normally, though his status often gives him the benefit of the doubt to some level. Shazam inside the RoE with random artifacts somehow being >>> Odin, all of Asgard (which Odin can amp off of) AND RKT isn't anything remotely feasible.

Originally posted by Sundipped
This thread is becoming hilarious.

Spectre shit stomped Shazam inside the ROE and an amped Captain Marvel not to mention he overrode Shazams enchantment on Billy and put him to sleep. Even with no powers Shadowpact couldn't do anything to him. And this was a hostless Spectre whom most would rate on the low end. This incarnation on up to the high end shouldn't have too much trouble with KT. No, he didn't. He used the magical absorption to defeat Shazam who was weakened right before the fight.


Spectre got his ass kicked by an amped Billy. Reread the story. Enchantress took the amp away so the Spectre got away by Eclipso saving him. You're unbelievably off.

King Thor beheads the Spectre.

Originally posted by deathslash
Didn't thunderbolt oneshot Mordru?

Maybe. Although I do remember Mordru beating the Thunderbolt off-panel inside his lamp.

So like I said, they fluctuate. Odin doing well against the Spectre or even beating the shit out of the Thunderbolt is hardly some kind of impossible incident. At a certain threshold, anything is justified.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, he didn't. He used the magical absorption to defeat Shazam who was weakened right before the fight.


Spectre got his ass kicked by an amped Billy. Reread the story. Enchantress took the amp away so the Spectre got away by Eclipso saving him. You're unbelievably off.

King Thor beheads the Spectre.

Umm...magical absorption is fair game and Shazam being weakened sure would explain how he got brutally raped.

Not sure if serious......Billy was KTFO, Spectre was still conscious.

Mjolnir may not even reach Spectre after it's thrown. LOL

It should be noted, the Spectre has at points in his history been shown to be at a disadvantage when facing beings in their place of power. IIRC, the water elemental Maya was wrecking his ass once the fight got to her dimension.

He also wasn't quite at full power. Although Shazam was weakened from facing Mordru earlier. Anyways, here's the fight:
http://s22.postimg.org/w2u7yt04d/Day_of_Vengeance_06_09_Copy.jpghttp://s22.postimg.org/69ud2g1y5/Day_of_Vengeance_06_13_Copy.jpghttp://s22.postimg.org/jf9v8jvtp/Day_of_Vengeance_06_14_Copy.jpghttp://s22.postimg.org/xmzjx78il/Day_of_Vengeance_06_15_Copy.jpghttp://s22.postimg.org/4lv7nso2l/Day_of_Vengeance_06_16_Copy.jpghttp://s22.postimg.org/n1kqib8il/Day_of_Vengeance_06_17_Copy.jpghttp://s22.postimg.org/7hdcrrye5/Day_of_Vengeance_06_18_Copy.jpghttp://s22.postimg.org/r0hy14x5p/Day_of_Vengeance_06_19_Copy.jpghttp://s22.postimg.org/64vnpw0yl/Day_of_Vengeance_06_20_Copy.jpg

Also, arguing that Shazam is above Odin is ridiculous. Especially looking at his other performances. I think his greatest other relative feat is Billy saying he could kill Eclipso Superman with a few more Shazam bolts? Which is awesome but only to a certain level. After all, Superman has a weakness to magic and he had already hit Superman with NINE bolts. Of course he was probably holding back, at least I hope he was.

Originally posted by Sundipped
Umm...magical absorption is fair game and Shazam being weakened sure would explain how he got brutally raped.

Not sure if serious......Billy was KTFO, Spectre was still conscious.

Mjolnir may not even reach Spectre after it's thrown. LOL That is why he won. Shazam got the better of him and that is the only reason he won. He was also weakened. Context.


Billy's amp was taken away. Again, context. Read the issue. Spectre beat Marvel unamped. Not impressive.

Black Adam sure knocked the Spectre around. Try reading the story and quit ignoring the context.

Originally posted by Sundipped
Umm...magical absorption is fair game and Shazam being weakened sure would explain how he got brutally raped.

Not sure if serious......Billy was KTFO, Spectre was still conscious.

Mjolnir may not even reach Spectre after it's thrown. LOL

Because his power was cut off and unlike Spectre, his body wasn't use to channeling a certain amount of energy. When he was powered up, IIRC he was beating the crap out of Spectre and at the end, both of them were nearly drained. But like I said, Billy wasn't as experienced.

Where is the fight of Billy stalemating Spectre with no amp? Anybody have the scans?

Stalemating? It more like Thanos vs. Odin.

Originally posted by deathslash
Didn't thunderbolt oneshot Mordru?
Yup. Warped everything in creation to Ultra-humanite's version too.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Where is the fight of Billy stalemating Spectre with no amp? Anybody have the scans? Billy whipped his ass.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Stalemating? It more like Thanos vs. Odin. Watch yourself, boy.

That fight ended in a standstill.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Stalemating? It more like Thanos vs. Odin.

With no amp?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
So, we agree that Spectre being manipulated was part of a grand design, a design Alex Luthor played on? Good.

No, I'm not. You think Shazam with all of his artifacts inside the RoE make him more powerful than Odin and all of Asgard and RKT. That's ridiculous. And the fact that Shazam struggled against Spectre doesn't somehow make him better than Odin. That's asinine and then using Odin's more prolific appearances than Shazam's as evidence AGAINST Odin is even more so.

Fact is Shazam hasn't done jackshit to be on Odin's level normally, though his status often gives him the benefit of the doubt to some level. Shazam inside the RoE with random artifacts somehow being >>> Odin, all of Asgard (which Odin can amp off of) AND RKT isn't anything remotely feasible.
Odin got manipulated by Loki. Spectre getting manipulated by former wrath of god eclipso who knows more about spectre than anybody else isn't a low feat. He destroyed a multiversal level of magic users single handedly. That's a feat.

Again with circular argument. Give me a single feat of Odin stalemating or even downing a opponent who just shitstomped multiple skyfathers.

Nope. A weakened Shazam held off spectre. A weakened Odin was in danger of being killed by a pillow to the face by Malekith and got his shit pushed in by Surtur. Not to mention getting knocked out by an earthquake and shit. Odin's low feats are so ridiculous its not even funny.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Odin got manipulated by Loki. Spectre getting manipulated by former wrath of god eclipso who knows more about spectre than anybody else isn't a low feat. He destroyed a multiversal level of magic users single handedly. That's a feat.

Again with circular argument. Give me a single feat of Odin stalemating or even downing a opponent who just shitstomped multiple skyfathers.

Nope. A weakened Shazam held off spectre. A weakened Odin was in danger of being killed by a pillow to the face by Malekith and got his shit pushed in by Surtur. Not to mention getting knocked out by an earthquake and shit. Odin's low feats are so ridiculous its not even funny. Spectre thought he was destroying magic.

Loki is clever whereas the Spectre needs a host or else he gets rather loopy.



Weakened Shazam lost. Big whoop. He lost. Losing isn't a feat.

http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/16804256_Thor_V2_031-16.jpg http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/16804258_Thor_V2_031-17.jpg http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/16804259_Thor_V2_031-1819.jpg

Nothing as bad as this though. Omnipotent Odin got nearly killed by a pillow.

crylaugh

Originally posted by quanchi112
That is why he won. Shazam got the better of him and that is the only reason he won. He was also weakened. Context.


Billy's amp was taken away. Again, context. Read the issue. Spectre beat Marvel unamped. Not impressive.

Black Adam sure knocked the Spectre around. Try reading the story and quit ignoring the context.

All you got is excuses.
Shazam thought he got the better of him but still wound up dead.
Billy was left face down and too bad Enchantress couldn't keep channeling the amp for him. Still doesn't change the fact. Billy was supposed to be so close to finishing a weakened Spectre but couldn't even land any of his punches.

Originally posted by Sundipped
All you got is excuses.
Shazam thought he got the better of him but still wound up dead.
Billy was left face down and too bad Enchantress couldn't keep channeling the amp for him. Still doesn't change the fact. Billy was supposed to be so close to finishing a weakened Spectre but couldn't even land any of his punches. Yes, due to being weakened and absorbing magic.

The reason Spectre won is due to him losing the amp. That is why he lost it had nothing to do with anything the Spectre did it had to do with the Enchantress.

You ignored the context time and time again. Context is everything.

Odin was in the Odinsleep when Malekith tried to suffocate him and it didn't actually do anything.....

Spectre vs. Batman has more relevance in a thread then that.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Odin got manipulated by Loki. Spectre getting manipulated by former wrath of god eclipso who knows more about spectre than anybody else isn't a low feat. He destroyed a multiversal level of magic users single handedly. That's a feat.

Again with circular argument. Give me a single feat of Odin stalemating or even downing a opponent who just shitstomped multiple skyfathers.

Nope. A weakened Shazam held off spectre. A weakened Odin was in danger of being killed by a pillow to the face by Malekith and got his shit pushed in by Surtur. Not to mention getting knocked out by an earthquake and shit. Odin's low feats are so ridiculous its not even funny.



Did I say Spectre being manipulated was a low feat for Spectre or otherwise demeaning to him? All I said was that Spectre being manipulated played directly into Alexander Luthor's hands for his plan to recreate the multiverse. Reading and comprehending are your friends here, bud.

The fact that Odin shook the fabric of reality while weakened should speak for itself.

Lowballing? Really? Color me shocked. Malekith trying to suffocate Odin while he's actually deep in the Odinsleep is a poor example to bring up, too, btw, but I can't say I'm surprised. Surtur is on Odin's level to begin with, so Odin struggling with him isn't a low feat at all.

Except the explicit implication that he was in danger of dying.

Batman? Talk about ants bro.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Odin was in the Odinsleep when Malekith tried to suffocate him and it didn't actually do anything.....

Spectre vs. Batman has more relevance in a thread then that. Context has never been abhi's strong suit.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank


Did I say Spectre being manipulated was a low feat for Spectre or otherwise demeaning to him? All I said was that Spectre being manipulated played directly into Alexander Luthor's hands for his plan to recreate the multiverse. Reading and comprehending are your friends here, bud.

The fact that Odin shook the fabric of reality while weakened should speak for itself.

Lowballing? Really? Color me shocked. Malekith trying to suffocate Odin while he's actually deep in the Odinsleep is a poor example to bring up, too, btw, but I can't say I'm surprised. Surtur is on Odin's level to begin with, so Odin struggling with him isn't a low feat at all.
So why bring it at all? What's that supposed to mean in this discussion except you somehow demeaning the feat of Spectre killing multiversal level of magic users?

What's that supposed to mean? Shocking the fabric of reality is done by everyone and their mothers. I was asking for a feat where Odin beats anybody who was shitstomping skyfathers. Just draw a comparison, Shazam performed better than an amped on universe's magic Captain Marvel while weakened. That's above skyfather grade. I get that you don't have any feat for odin on that level. I totally do.

Bringing up Spectre's low feats is valid but Odin's low feats aren't? Yeah, surtur is on his level and Spectre is above that level. Shazam downed him for a moment, that's why its above Odin's paygrade.

So we know Odin can survive in space without an issue and yet someone brings up Malekith trying to suffocate him with a pillow. MAYBE it occurring during the Odin Sleep, a hibernation like state, might in fact have something to do with it.

I just see absolutely NO REASON to bring it up aside from explicitly trying to talk shit for the sake of it. I mean, it's not like anyone would be dumb enough to think it's in anyway relevant to a fight. Unless a severely weakened and drained Odin entered the Odin Sleep and someone came up on him with a pillow. But I don't think that's very likely in a fight.

It's not everyday you seem someone failing at lowballing.

Just like someone tried to use mordru weakening Shazam and atomic bombs to lowball spectre? Pot, kettle much rage?

I'm not surprised however, you were always the biggest hypocrite, whining crybaby I've ever seen.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Just like someone tried to use mordru weakening Shazam and atomic bombs to lowball spectre? Pot, kettle much rage?

I'm not surprised however, you were always the biggest hypocrite, whining crybaby I've ever seen. That was a fact relevant to that fight unlike your pillow smothering non combat feat.

In both these instances I've pointed out context. Noting that Shazam was weakened before his fight with Spectre:
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Untitled-Scanned-15-2.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Untitled-Scanned-16-4.jpg

Isn't lowballing. That's a fact. I noted Spectre's condition as well.

Also:
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
You know, Captain Marvel was beating up the Spectre with punches that were said to pack the force of a small atomic bomb. I don't really think that means anything but I'm just putting it out there before a certain someone begins to lowball. Just want to make it clear its all relative.

This was actually an attempt to prevent lowballing.

Well, whatever.

Still amazed we have two identical threads going

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Spectre was manipulated into weakening the current age of magic and ushering in the new age of magic. Context. If Spectre didn't go apeshit, that plan would have never have panned out.

You honestly think Shazam in the RoE shits on anything Odin has done? He gave a good fight and lost. And he was prepared for Spectre, too. So unless you can prove that the RoE offers more power to Shazam than all of Asgard (not even factoring in RKT) can give to Odin, I'm just going to laugh this off as nonsense. Shazam has hardly any combat feats or even space cheese feats under his own power, let alone on the scale of Odin.

I don't think anyone remotely objective would ever put the Wizard Shazam over Odin.


Well according to D.C. shazam is supposed to be 100 times more powerful in the ROE. Implied power I would think he should be well above odin but to date he has shown absolutely nothing to prove he's even in odin's league. Mordru shits on him like there's no tomorrow on top of that. Unfortunatly Shazam suffers from the same sickness that has befallen billy.


D.C. don't give to shits about him. And its sad casue he's one of my most favorite characters.

Originally posted by abhilegend
So why bring it at all? What's that supposed to mean in this discussion except you somehow demeaning the feat of Spectre killing multiversal level of magic users?

What's that supposed to mean? Shocking the fabric of reality is done by everyone and their mothers. I was asking for a feat where Odin beats anybody who was shitstomping skyfathers. Just draw a comparison, Shazam performed better than an amped on universe's magic Captain Marvel while weakened. That's above skyfather grade. I get that you don't have any feat for odin on that level. I totally do.

Bringing up Spectre's low feats is valid but Odin's low feats aren't? Yeah, surtur is on his level and Spectre is above that level. Shazam downed him for a moment, that's why its above Odin's paygrade.


Shazam was replenished by mordru before his fight with the specter, both billy and shazam did well against the specter, especially billy.

I don't know how shazam being weakened has anything to do with Spectre's power level which was firmly established at that point. If anything a weakened shazam doing that well and outperforming a universally amped captain marvel is ****ing beastly showing, but somehow Rage and other marvel fanboys think it shows Spectre was that weak. They are weirdly wired or something. If a weakened Odin downs Galactus or something, we will see how that means Odin is beastly not that Galactus is weak as shit.

Originally posted by zeel
Shazam was replenished by mordru before his fight with the specter, both billy and shazam did well against the specter, especially billy. No, he was not replenished. Originally posted by abhilegend
I don't know how shazam being weakened has anything to do with Spectre's power level which was firmly established at that point. If anything a weakened shazam doing that well and outperforming a universally amped captain marvel is ****ing beastly showing, but somehow Rage and other marvel fanboys think it shows Spectre was that weak. They are weirdly wired or something. If a weakened Odin downs Galactus or something, we will see how that means Odin is beastly not that Galactus is weak as shit. Shazam didn't outperform an amped Billy. Reread the fight.

Originally posted by Supra
Still amazed we have two identical threads going

They need to be shut down.

Originally posted by Golgo13
They need to be shut down. King Thor wins. Shut it down now.

Spectre wins.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Spectre wins. How ?

So, anyone have the scans of the Billy/Spectre battle?

Originally posted by Golgo13
So, anyone have the scans of the Billy/Spectre battle? ??

Anyone?

Originally posted by Golgo13
Anyone? ???

Anyone at all?

Originally posted by Golgo13
So, anyone have the scans of the Billy/Spectre battle? Here's Billy under his own power:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Billy/DayofVengeance0221.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Billy/DayofVengeance0222.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Billy/DayofVengeance0302.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Billy/DayofVengeance0303-04.jpg

Here's Billy being powered by just Enchantress (largely off panel):
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Billy/dayofv3-08.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Billy/dayofv3-15.jpg

And here's full Billiam:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Billy/dayofv3-20.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Billy/dayofv3-21.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Billy/dayofv4-07-08.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Billy/dayofv4-09.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Billy/dayofv4-10.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Billy/dayofv4-13.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Billy/dayofv4-16.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Billy/dayofv4-18.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Billy/dayofv4-20.jpg


That's all the on panel ones.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Anyone at all?

It is the day of rest.

Take it easy.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Here's Billy under his own power:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Billy/DayofVengeance0221.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Billy/DayofVengeance0222.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Billy/DayofVengeance0302.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Billy/DayofVengeance0303-04.jpg

Here's Billy being powered by just Enchantress (largely off panel):
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Billy/dayofv3-08.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Billy/dayofv3-15.jpg

And here's full Billiam:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Billy/dayofv3-20.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Billy/dayofv3-21.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Billy/dayofv4-07-08.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Billy/dayofv4-09.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Billy/dayofv4-10.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Billy/dayofv4-13.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Billy/dayofv4-16.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Billy/dayofv4-18.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Billy/dayofv4-20.jpg


That's all the on panel ones.

No wonder your a proud fan of Billy!

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
It is the day of rest.

Take it easy.

Never.

Bump