Thanos with CC vs Kubik

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eaebiakuya
Thanos with Cosmic Cube vs Kubik. Who wins This fight ?

zopzop
Thanos.

kgkg
This is not even a fight.

eaebiakuya
Then Thanos could hold the 616 universe in his hands with the CC ?

operator616
^ The universe Kubik held in his hand, was a pocket one. Cool feat nonetheless.

It was also stated that a battle between Kubik and Super Adaptoid (who copied his power), would destroy infinite universes and dimensions.

eaebiakuya
This is a pocket universe ?

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/10/102593/3528553-02.png

operator616
^ Yes, that's the retconned Beyond-realm, which Kubik is holding. It was retconned into a pocket universe.
Anyway....evidence:

OHOTMU Master Edition/v3:

http://i.imgur.com/IXTcUPn.jpg?1

History of MU:

http://i.imgur.com/tCjlhJN.jpg?2

Wolverine Encyclopedia v2:

http://i.imgur.com/c7pLJzG.jpg?1

.....All refer to it as a pocket universe.

That's not to say Thanos > Kubik, despite that a cube harnessed to its full potential (which Thanos did, but wasn't able to adjust to his omnipotent state) should be > Kubik if we take into consideration the feats performed by the cube in later stories.

But the Thanos/Cube story happened in the mid 70s, and all Thanos displayed was universal power.

CatL18
I thought even half cube aka Beyonder or Moleculeman create universe, destroy universes, affect entie multiverse. Isn't it stated in secret wars 2?
so,Can Full potential cube like kubik destroy entire multiverse?
But, Celestials is infinitely more powerful than Cube being, can everyone above Cube being destroy infiite multiverse?

operator616
Originally posted by CatL18
I thought even half cube aka Beyonder or Moleculeman create universe, destroy universes, affect entie multiverse. Isn't it stated in secret wars 2?


At the time of Secret Wars 2, Owen and Beyonder weren't cube beings. Beyonder was an embodiment of a multiverse which dwarfed the mainstream multiverse (and hence why he was millions times more powerful than the MU cosmic hierarchy at the time). While Owen was imbued with radiation (which made him the most powerful being in the multiverse) ..........due to an experiment which opened the pinhole into the Beyond-realm.

Later, The Beyonder/Owen were retconned into half cube beings. And their origins were retconned. Owen's accidental experiment caused him to be imbued with the (part of) reality-warping energies of a cosmic cube, and another part, gained sentience as the Beyonder.

As cube beings (after their development from the cosmic cube), yes they were able to warp universes (it happened in Fantastic Four Annual #27). But this feat is heavily underestimated. Owen and the Beyonder (as cube beings) actually managed to warp reality on a trans-multiversal scale, meaning they affected realities beyond even the multiverse:

http://i.imgur.com/q62Fo2m.jpg?1

And that's not all there is to it. This fight of Owen/Beyonder gave the Time Variance Authority (which functions on an omniversal scale), massive problems:

http://i.imgur.com/TxUwWpL.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/sFImOE4.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Hcujjm4.jpg

Confirmation that it caused the TVA problems (Marvel Encyclopedia: FF)

http://i.imgur.com/xHBywSq.jpg?1

Note: The Galactus that caused them problems was an omniversal affair as well.

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Thing is, the hall of Chronometry (where the TVA monitors all the timelines of the omniverse) is literally as big as the omniverse (FF #353):

http://i.imgur.com/b7b2ZoS.jpg?1

2006 handbook says: The Hall of Chronomtery is as large as the omniverse:

http://i.imgur.com/TDJuAJh.jpg?1

So imo, The Beyonder/Owen battle (as cube beings) was in all likelihood, omniversal scale. Because Trans-multiversal means they affected realities beyond the multiverse, and considering that it was able to cause TVA massive problems (who work on an omniversal scale), this is the likely outcome, imo.

Originally posted by CatL18

so,Can Full potential cube like kubik destroy entire multiverse?


Full potential cube like Kubik...........??

Anyway, Kubik's battle with Super-adaptoid (who copied his power) was said to be able to destroy infinite universes and dimensions in Avengers v1 #290:

http://i.imgur.com/rrkTX7f.jpg?1

Originally posted by CatL18
But, Celestials is infinitely more powerful than Cube being, can everyone above Cube being destroy infiite multiverse?

No. Just because Celestials were stated to be above Kosmos and Kubik, who's potentially capable of destroying the multiverse (and possibly beyond), which is a very high showing, doesn't mean they can easily destroy the mutiverse, either. Though a recent arc has them as the creators of the whole multiverse. But on the other hand, that in itself is a high showing, and the Celestials have quite several low showings themselves.

Epicurus
Kubik.

Mr Master
Originally posted by operator616

Thing is, the hall of Chronometry (where the TVA monitors all the timelines of the omniverse) is literally as big as the omniverse (FF #353):

http://i.imgur.com/b7b2ZoS.jpg?1


In that cropped scan you can't really see Reed's question
which makes the answer versed as a question: "How large is the Omniverse"
tell us the TVA headquarters is as long as the omniverse.

http://s3d2.turboimagehost.com/t/17484622_TVA4.jpg

All the info posted was on point btw. smile

CatL18
Originally posted by operator616
No. Just because Celestials were stated to be above Kosmos and Kubik, who's potentially capable of destroying the multiverse (and possibly beyond), which is a very high showing, doesn't mean they can easily destroy the mutiverse, either. Though a recent arc has them as the creators of the whole multiverse. But on the other hand, that in itself is a high showing, and the Celestials have quite several low showings themselves.
Why? It is high showing. but isn't Celestials ranked above Cube Being in this forum?

operator616
^ You can't have everyone who's above cube beings, as multiversal destroyers, because that's ABC logic.

It's not about the forum, Kubik/Kosmos admitted that they're below the celestials (despite having better showings).

CatL18
Originally posted by operator616
^ You can't have everyone who's above cube beings, as multiversal destroyers, because that's ABC logic.

It's not about the forum, Kubik/Kosmos admitted that they're below the celestials (despite having better showings).
I have read any thread Celestials defeat kubik in this forum.and,I thought Kubik's statement have been often quoted in this forum.
indeed, it is ABC logic though.

Mr Master
Originally posted by CatL18

Why? It is high showing. but isn't Celestials ranked above Cube Being in this forum?
Celestials are only above Cube beings according a statement expressed by Kubik over 20 years ago.
(although in this story it was true)

It doesn't matter. Kubik is at best a universal power, and he's never done anything to prove otherwise,
so while it makes no sense why some Celestial was stated to be above him 20+ years ago,
we can turn a blind eye on this because imo it can be chalked up to an isolated incident.
(aside from Scathan, and recent revelations concerning certain
Celestials from the beginning of time, they have never done
anything that should even suggest they are above Kubik aside from that one story)

Thing is though, that Kosmos is/was not Beyonder's full power anyway, more of a prison.
When Beyonder's essence was extracted from Kosmos,
Kosmos began fading out of existence almost instantly while
Beyonder went on to battle unleashed Owen Reece (Evil MM) and proceeded to contributed in an omniversal feat over space-time-matter.

So, another perspective is that Celestials are above average Cube beings like a Kubik or Kosmos,
but they are below the two special Cube beings which are Owen and Beyonder.

Owen, because he was a human being who acquired Cube being power.

Beyonder, because originally he didn't nurtured properly. (his
energies slipped out of the Beyond Realm into the multiverse and
exploded into it's own universe in its own space he embodied.)
And since CCUs impose limitations on themselves upon reaching sentience (Cube being) we can see how/why Beyonder went overboard.

By the time he did enter a CCU, it was to become whole via Owen's share of the power.

Mr.SunKing
Originally posted by Mr Master
Celestials are only above Cube beings according a statement expressed by Kubik over 20 years ago.
(although in this story it was true)

It doesn't matter. Kubik is at best a universal power, and he's never done anything to prove otherwise,
so while it makes no sense why some Celestial was stated to be above him 20+ years ago,
we can turn a blind eye on this because imo it can be chalked up to an isolated incident.
(aside from Scathan, and recent revelations concerning certain
Celestials from the beginning of time, they have never done
anything that should even suggest they are above Kubik aside from that one story)

Thing is though, that Kosmos is/was not Beyonder's full power anyway, more of a prison.
When Beyonder's essence was extracted from Kosmos,
Kosmos began fading out of existence almost instantly while
Beyonder went on to battle unleashed Owen Reece (Evil MM) and proceeded to contributed in an omniversal feat over space-time-matter.

So, another perspective is that Celestials are above average Cube beings like a Kubik or Kosmos,
but they are below the two special Cube beings which are Owen and Beyonder.

Owen, because he was a human being who acquired Cube being power.

Beyonder, because originally he didn't nurtured properly. (his
energies slipped out of the Beyond Realm into the multiverse and
exploded into it's own universe in its own space he embodied.)
And since CCUs impose limitations on themselves upon reaching sentience (Cube being) we can see how/why Beyonder went overboard.

By the time he did enter a CCU, it was to become whole via Owen's share of the power.
Eh I can actually rock with that statement about Celestials being above average cube beings much like kubik and such, but below special cube beings such as Beyonder or MM, seems akin to the scenario with the Celestials being below eternity but Scathan being above such ( given special circumstances)

Mr.SunKing
quick question, so would cube beings like Beyonder and Owen be above the likes of eternity?

Marvel's cosmological hierarchy is kind of all over the place

Mr.SunKing
bump.

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