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Who wins and why?

I've always thought this would be a fantastic match.

Juggernaut is immune (for most intents and purposes) to physical damage.
But powerful magical attacks can harm him.

Black Adam uses primarily physical attack options.
But he can charge his fists with raw magic. The result is a pseudo-magical physical attack- at Superman Class levels.

So the real question is...

Do Black Adam's magically charged fists "qualify" as a powerful enough magical attack to bypass Cyttorak's Invulnerability Enchantment?
I'm a bit torn on this. Arguments can be made for both sides.

Thoughts?

Good fight. Gotta go with Adam because of his speed and versatility edge.

Im not sure Adam could reliably even hurt Juggernaut with his strikes, and while it might take a long time for Juggs to hit him back, those hits will hurt, and allow future hits to be more and more common. Juggernaut wins here after a long fight.

Adam would BFR Juggs until Cyttorrak gets bored of getting him back into the fight. Then he'd grant Adam the Cyttorrak gem for being a Superior avatar.

Then Adam somehow will still be stomped by Superman.

Has Adam ever tried to BFR anyone?

Adam will punch Juggernaut into the Sun.
Juggernaut can't escape from the Sun.

I highly doubt that will work.

Originally posted by CatL18
Adam will punch Juggernaut into the Sun.
Juggernaut can't escape from the Sun.

100% canon.

Adam by BFR

If he does not go for the BFR it comes down to if BA`s magic strikes can affect Juggy.. it is quite inconsistent what kind of magic it takes. Mjolnir can`t do it for instance. If he can then Cain gets steamrolled, if not then Juggs eventually destroys him.

I always look at it as a character always has the option to bfr. They may not go for it right away depending on their basic knowledge of the opponent prior to the fight or their character (like Thor's warrior mindset to fight). But if they are not making any progress and see no way of winning then it is a viable option, unless the character is utterly retarded.

Cain has only ever been BFR'd by exotic means. No one's ever done it through purely physical force before.

Even when Skaar did it, Cain was in the air so his unstoppability wasn't in effect, and he had to charge up an Old Strong punch to do it.

Hulk casually BFR him during WWH.

The Old power shouldn't ever register on Juggs level of power to begin with, so the fact Skaar had to charge its meaningless.

Originally posted by KingD19
Cain has only ever been BFR'd by exotic means. No one's ever done it through purely physical force before.

Even when Skaar did it, Cain was in the air so his unstoppability wasn't in effect, and he had to charge up an Old Strong punch to do it. Onslaught did it. Juggs can easily be thrown to space, or another city at least. He doesn't even weigh a half of ton.

By moving out of the way and letting his unstoppability keep him going. You act like Hulk just socked him into that lake.

And Skaar has hit Hulk with 100 Trillion Tons of Force after a good Old Power charge. Charge time is not meaningless in this instance. And the hit didn't hurt him, it just packed enough force to launch a man whose merely 900lbs into orbit. But the fact that Skaar knocked him into orbit from ground level shows how strong that hit was.

Onslaught did bfr him though. TK punched him across some states.

Originally posted by KingD19
By moving out of the way and letting his unstoppability keep him going. You act like Hulk just socked him into that lake.

And Skaar has hit Hulk with 100 Trillion Tons of Force after a good Old Power charge. Charge time is not meaningless in this instance. And the hit didn't hurt him, it just packed enough force to launch a man whose merely 900lbs into orbit. But the fact that Skaar knocked him into orbit from ground level shows how strong that hit was. I'm not saying that someone can easily bfr once Juggs is moving. He isn't always moving. There are spots where he isn't moving and can be easily hit or picked up and thrown away. Actually, Juggs has been picked up and thrown several times in comics. He was also hit away several times too. He doesn't have to bfred to space. Another city would suffice since he can't get back in time.

Originally posted by KingD19
By moving out of the way and letting his unstoppability keep him going. You act like Hulk just socked him into that lake.

And Skaar has hit Hulk with 100 Trillion Tons of Force after a good Old Power charge. Charge time is not meaningless in this instance. And the hit didn't hurt him, it just packed enough force to launch a man whose merely 900lbs into orbit. But the fact that Skaar knocked him into orbit from ground level shows how strong that hit was.

Eh, we're not going to act as if Skaar is carrying 100 trillion tons powers every time he's touching the ground.

By your own admission, Hulk pulles something that Black Adam who is much faster can easily replicate. The example of Onslaught has been brought in too...

They fight to a manly stalemate. They have a good fight and end up being friends because they're so evenly matched.

Originally posted by Bentley
Eh, we're not going to act as if Skaar is carrying 100 trillion tons powers every time he's touching the ground.

By your own admission, Hulk pulles something that Black Adam who is much faster can easily replicate. The example of Onslaught has been brought in too...

I never said it was the same punch or that he could pull that off all the time. But Cain was falling for a good while and gave him plenty of time to cock his arm back and charge up. Because just like we're not going to say Skaar can hit with x100,000,000,000,000 tons of force all willy nilly, we're not going to see he can casually punch someone into orbit.

And the only reason Hulk could pull that move off is because they were locked up in a pushing match.

As for Onslaught. Onslaught doesn't even make any sense. But he did send him flying with TK, which at that point Cain had no defense against and the fight was off panel anyway so we don't even know what happened.

Originally posted by jaxthejester
So the real question is...

Do Black Adam's magically charged fists "qualify" as a powerful enough magical attack to bypass Cyttorak's Invulnerability Enchantment?

Thought about it, too. Not sure.

Black Adam rips Juggernaut's face off

Originally posted by KingD19
I never said it was the same punch or that he could pull that off all the time. But Cain was falling for a good while and gave him plenty of time to cock his arm back and charge up. Because just like we're not going to say Skaar can hit with x100,000,000,000,000 tons of force all willy nilly, we're not going to see he can casually punch someone into orbit.

Ah, yes of course, I'm not saying Skaar could've pulled it off without the Old power. What I'm saying is that Black Adam is more than capable of sending someone of Cain's size into orbit on his own power, which is true.

Originally posted by KingD19
And the only reason Hulk could pull that move off is because they were locked up in a pushing match.

How do you figure? Hulk only needed to grab Juggs when he had any forward momentum and pull him into that direction.


Originally posted by KingD19
As for Onslaught. Onslaught doesn't even make any sense. But he did send him flying with TK, which at that point Cain had no defense against and the fight was off panel anyway so we don't even know what happened.

One way or another, it stands as an occasion in which Cain was clearly bfr'd. Which is a feat that as been replicated several times since by purely physical means.

bfr is a copout

Originally posted by psycho gundam
bfr is a copout

BA is a wuss like that awesr

Wisdom of Zehuti will tell him to use BFR.

So all together who would get majority?

BA ic has a better chance of breaking himself on Huffy than bfr.

Originally posted by Bentley
Hulk casually BFR him during WWH. To be fair though, that is one of the most clear-cut examples of PIS ever.

Juggernaut apparently can't stop running once he starts, and putting him in a lake is apparently sufficient to get him out of the fight? Sure Pak, whatever you say, lol.

^Juggs can't swim lol
But seriously BA only option is bfr