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Who wins? The duo or Thanos!!!

Classic Strange has beaten The Inbetweener, Shuma Gorath, and held out against Warlock with the IG.

Strange is enough.

^ He's beaten the Inbetweener only through invoking Master/Order. In their second encounter, Strange got stomped and this trick of his, will never work again.

He was amped in his encounter against Shuma Gorath in Strange Tales v2, unless you're referring to Marvel Knights 4, which was in 2005 and can't exactly be considered as classic.

Warlock was more like toying with Strange, who came prepped with all his artifacts, and Warlock was using the gems one by one and not in unison.

Dr. Strange has exhibited telepathic resistance that negates that form of attack from Thanos.

Dr. Strange has shields that could measure up against the energy based attacks of Thanos.

Strange has more offense and versatility on his side.

Thanos destroys them every............ single............... time.

Originally posted by operator616
^ He's beaten the Inbetweener only through invoking Master/Order. In their second encounter, Strange got stomped and this trick of his, will never work again.

He was amped in his encounter against Shuma Gorath in Strange Tales v2, unless you're referring to Marvel Knights 4, which was in 2005 and can't exactly be considered as classic.

Warlock was more like toying with Strange, who came prepped with all his artifacts, and Warlock was using the gems one by one and not in unison.


I like u

He's good.

i thought most of the strange myths had been suitably busted. several times. alas.....

anywho, ebony maw would beg to differ on the tp front. not sure what constantine's recent feats include, but strange could barely handle bb's scream. thanos took 3 and got a torn uniform for it. minus bfr not sure how these 2 could take him out unless constantine is really packing some cosmic level mojo.

Constantine backstabs and sacrifices Strange, gaining the power necessary to defeat Thanos.

hmm, THAT would be cool.

Originally posted by leonidas
i thought most of the strange myths had been suitably busted. several times. alas.....

anywho, ebony maw would beg to differ on the tp front

Dr. Strange had a telepathic battle with Moondragon when she had the mind Gem.

That is a myth as well?

oh no, it happened. but with the mind gem she couldn't even take out ss, so, meh. dracula did better tp-wise against ss than moondragon did.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Classic Strange has beaten The Inbetweener, Shuma Gorath, and held out against Warlock with the IG.

Strange is enough. Dr Strange has all ready admitted he lacks the power to beat Thanos

Originally posted by Insane Titan
Dr Strange has all ready admitted he lacks the power to beat Thanos

"Classic Strange" has?

When?

It would be very surprising given who he has faced and defeated.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Dr. Strange had a telepathic battle with Moondragon when she had the mind Gem.

That is a myth as well? when was this ? Because if you're talking about Infinty Abyss she didn't have the gem

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
"Classic Strange" has?

When?

It would be very surprising given who he has faced and defeated. yeah classic Strange has during HOTU.

Most people Strange has beaten was with prep and people like Surfer and Thor have held their own against him

Originally posted by Insane Titan
yeah classic Strange has during HOTU.

That wouldn't qualify as "Classic" Strange.

Thor admitted that the entire Avengers team had no shot at beating Dr.Strange.

Aaah, the good old days!

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
That wouldn't qualify as "Classic" Strange. of course it would , he was still sorcerer supreme then plus that story is years old.

strange is powerful, no one is questioning that. his use of prep and his ability to call on pis makes it difficult to gauge the full extent of his power in straight up battles though and most of his most highly touted feats have a lot of context behind them. he also (even the classic version) has low feats to balance out the high end ones. there is no way he's beating thanos 1on1, not without plot help. as for thor--before he even received the gem in blood and thunder, while he was dealing with the valkyrie, he handled strange easily. in a straight up battle, i would take thor over classic strange more often than not--especially given the amount of trouble we've seen loki or even amora give strange.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Dr. Strange had a telepathic battle with Moondragon when she had the mind Gem.

That is a myth as well?

......Yes.

she never had the mind gem in Infinity Abyss #3 (and im pretty sure that's what you're referring to, because that's the only one).

Captain Marvel v1 #31, Thanos defeated Moondragon in telepathy, just as well. With smaller effort than Strange did:

http://i.imgur.com/Tdx8ayc.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ceNccLJ.jpg

Originally posted by operator616
......Yes.

she never had the mind gem in Infinity Abyss #3 (and im pretty sure that's what you're referring to, because that's the only one).

Captain Marvel v1 #31, Thanos defeated Moondragon in telepathy, just as well. With smaller effort than Strange did:

http://i.imgur.com/Tdx8ayc.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ceNccLJ.jpg

wait, wait, i think i must have mixed up the battles. argh, stupid gems. can't keep track of when someone had them and when they didn't....

^ Well, i remember very well that after Warlock & the infinity watch ended, and the whole Rune and Ultraverse affair started, which was in the mid 90s, that's where she lost the gem (to Rune). Infinity Abyss was 7 years after that, so if we consider that, it's impossible for Moondragon to have possessed the gem at that time. And it was never shown on panel anyways.

Originally posted by operator616
......Yes.

she never had the mind gem in Infinity Abyss #3 (and im pretty sure that's what you're referring to, because that's the only one).

Captain Marvel v1 #31, Thanos defeated Moondragon in telepathy, just as well. With smaller effort than Strange did:

http://i.imgur.com/Tdx8ayc.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ceNccLJ.jpg
He had the ccu in that fight, didn't he?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Constantine backstabs and sacrifices Strange, gaining the power necessary to defeat Thanos. werent you the one to bring up the synchronicty wave? what can thanos do against that assuming we're calling vertigo John classic considering he's consistently been the same character aging in real time with demon blood to slow it down. But he definitely has been aging

Originally posted by abhilegend
He had the ccu in that fight, didn't he?

Yes, that doesn't mean he used it, though. It was definitely just a telepathic battle. Throughout the story, it's made pretty clear when Thanos is using the cosmic cube, and when he isn't.

If he was using the cosmic cube do you honestly think Thanos couldn't just end the battle within one second? here's the following page and Thanos made it quite clear that any thought of his, became reality:

http://i.imgur.com/7cZ2My8.jpg

im 100% sure that he wasn't utilizing the cube against Moondragon.

If anything it outright says: A mind war. That should be clear enough.

Originally posted by operator616
Yes, that doesn't mean he used it, though. It was definitely just a telepathic battle. Throughout the story, it's made pretty clear when Thanos is using the cosmic cube, and when he isn't.

If he was using the cosmic cube do you honestly think Thanos couldn't just end the battle within one second? here's the following page and Thanos made it quite clear that any thought of his, became reality:

http://i.imgur.com/7cZ2My8.jpg

im 100% sure that he wasn't utilizing the cube against Moondragon.

If anything it outright says: A mind war. That should be clear enough.
Yeah that's what I thought too. If Thanos was using the cube, he would have stomped her instantly. But the actual TP battle was close, with Thanos edging her out and winning. I doubt Moondragon's TP is powerful enough to just barely lose to a cube user.

Originally posted by operator616
Yes, that doesn't mean he used it, though. It was definitely just a telepathic battle. Throughout the story, it's made pretty clear when Thanos is using the cosmic cube, and when he isn't.

If he was using the cosmic cube do you honestly think Thanos couldn't just end the battle within one second? here's the following page and Thanos made it quite clear that any thought of his, became reality:

http://i.imgur.com/7cZ2My8.jpg

im 100% sure that he wasn't utilizing the cube against Moondragon.

If anything it outright says: A mind war. That should be clear enough.
But that's the thing, he was toying with the people. Here Cap flat out says so.

http://imgur.com/93Y3iAa

Cosmic Cube enhances all the powers of the beings that wield it, it doesn't have to be spelled out when someone is using it or not.

Why wouldn't Thanos use the cube if he had it in his possession? Doesn't make sense. The ft isn't usable imo.

Originally posted by operator616
Yes, that doesn't mean he used it, though. It was definitely just a telepathic battle. Throughout the story, it's made pretty clear when Thanos is using the cosmic cube, and when he isn't.

If he was using the cosmic cube do you honestly think Thanos couldn't just end the battle within one second? here's the following page and Thanos made it quite clear that any thought of his, became reality:

http://i.imgur.com/7cZ2My8.jpg

im 100% sure that he wasn't utilizing the cube against Moondragon.

If anything it outright says: A mind war. That should be clear enough. He definitely was not using the cube there.

Originally posted by abhilegend
But that's the thing, he was toying with the people. Here Cap flat out says so.

http://imgur.com/93Y3iAa

Cosmic Cube enhances all the powers of the beings that wield it, it doesn't have to be spelled out when someone is using it or not.

That's not the case here. Tell me, what do you think the point of Moondragon assaulting him?

Before the Moondragon scene, Captain Marvel and the others attack Thanos and he loses the Cube for a while and tries to regain it:

http://i.imgur.com/PnWY6no.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/AA6h02W.jpg

Directly after those scans comes Moondragon scans (which i posted), and before Thanos has the chance to ever utilize the cube, Moondragon engages him in a telepathic battle.

Just because Thanos had the cube in his hand, doesn't mean he's using it (you should know that). Like here, when Thanos had the cube in his hand, yet he lost it after he slipped:

http://i.imgur.com/FNdp6R8.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Renlo8F.jpg

It's made pretty clear when Thanos is using the cube and when he doesn't. Like this for example:

http://i.imgur.com/wwuuJX6.jpg?1

Or this:

http://i.imgur.com/vY1BrBI.jpg?1

The cube glows, to indicate that it's in use.

I don't think it's even arguable, tbh.

Im curious to know though: You really do believe that Moondragon's telepathy is strong enough to resist an artifact which merged Thanos with the entire universe in an instant...?

Originally posted by operator616
That's not the case here. Tell me, what do you think the point of Moondragon assaulting him?

Before the Moondragon scene, Captain Marvel and the others attack Thanos and he loses the Cube for a while and tries to regain it:

http://i.imgur.com/PnWY6no.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/AA6h02W.jpg

Directly after those scans comes Moondragon scans (which i posted), and before Thanos has the chance to ever utilize the cube, Moondragon engages him in a telepathic battle.

Just because Thanos had the cube in his hand, doesn't mean he's using it (you should know that). Like here, when Thanos had the cube in his hand, yet he lost it after he slipped:

http://i.imgur.com/FNdp6R8.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Renlo8F.jpg

It's made pretty clear when Thanos is using the cube and when he doesn't. Like this for example:

http://i.imgur.com/wwuuJX6.jpg?1

Or this:

http://i.imgur.com/vY1BrBI.jpg?1

The cube glows, to indicate that it's in use.

I don't think it's even arguable, tbh.

Im curious to know though: You really do believe that Moondragon's telepathy is strong enough to resist an artifact which merged Thanos with the entire universe in an instant...?
I'm seriously disappointed in you. Starlin himself recounted that scene two issues later.

http://i.imgur.com/sh14WK4.jpg

Do you see how even before he became the universe, he had the "infinite" power? I hope you do because this "cube glows so thanos was using it and shit" is pretty hilarious. For what its worth we see the cube faintly glowing here too.

http://i.imgur.com/fSSUKhl.jpg

This "arguing over minutia" shit is pretty annoying. Thanos had the CCU when he beat Moondragon and that should be the end of argument. Its like arguing The Hood beat Xavier on his own in TP when he had the mind gem and he didn't even knew he was using it.

^ O.....K.

Sorry to disappoint you, but this scan from the beginning of issue #33 is completely irrelevant. Because where did i ever claim that the cube's power was not infinite before Thanos' grand transformation??? Right, i didn't. I was merely saying that if Thanos held it, it doesn't mean he's using it.....which should be obvious for everyone reading the story.

Nice, so you left out the next panel where it shows that the cube is not glowing in his right hand:

http://i.imgur.com/xykiFqO.jpg?1

ey, pay attention instead of resorting to unwaranted insults.

The fact that you believe that "thanos holding the cosmic cube = thanos using the cube" is ridiculous. Because that's not the case at all.

Still waiting for this part, though:

Originally posted by operator616

Im curious to know though: You really do believe that Moondragon's telepathy is strong enough to resist an artifact which merged Thanos with the entire universe in an instant...?

Let's see you answer that.

On panel it was stated that there was a "struggle" and time was actually taken to seek anything in the subconscious that could be used for an advantage. With the cube in effect, this should've been a rape as soon as they engaged. Not really surprising Thanos can do this on his own though because she failed against Strange relatively easily + she failed against Surfer when she had the MG.

Originally posted by operator616
^ O.....K.

Sorry to disappoint you, but this scan from the beginning of issue #33 is completely irrelevant. Because where did i ever claim that the cube's power was not infinite before Thanos' grand transformation??? Right, i didn't. I was merely saying that if Thanos held it, it doesn't mean he's using it.....which should be obvious for everyone reading the story. That's not what happened. AT ALL. Thanos was merely playing with everyone there, he wasn't using his own powers though. He was using CCU as the panel shows where Moondragon is also present as captured when Thanos captured her via beating her in TP. Its totally relevant.

So he was using it for nothing in one panel and not using it in the next? What was he doing with it in the panel I posted though?

Insults? What insults?

Of course its ridiculous.

That's where this coms in.

http://imgur.com/93Y3iAa

Because marvel was knocking around Thanos' actual form with CCU. Mar-vell for skyfather level!!!!

Originally posted by Sundipped
On panel it was stated that there was a "struggle" and time was actually taken to seek anything in the subconscious that could be used for an advantage. With the cube in effect, this should've been a rape as soon as they engaged. Not really surprising Thanos can do this on his own though because she failed against Strange relatively easily + she failed against Surfer when she had the MG.
And then Starlin had thanos use her to create a TP link for galactus because he couldn't do it on his own. Moondragon didn't have the gem against Strange and she didn't want to harm Surfer. Spider-man tanked her TP bolts too and then she sent Xavier into a coma in the same arc. It was made clear that she didn't want to harm the heroes who rebelled against Goddess.

^ i know Moondragon didn't have the gem vs Strange and links aren't that impressive. If anything it makes Thanos achieving victory over MD using his own power more reasonable. Surfer resisted while she was amped and Strange broke her as well.

I think we can all agree that if the cube was used, the battle wouldn't have lasted the couple panels that it did.

Originally posted by abhilegend
That's not what happened. AT ALL. Thanos was merely playing with everyone there, he wasn't using his own powers though. He was using CCU as the panel shows where Moondragon is also present as captured when Thanos captured her via beating her in TP. Its totally relevant.

So he was using it for nothing in one panel and not using it in the next? What was he doing with it in the panel I posted though?

Insults? What insults?

Of course its ridiculous.

That's where this coms in.

http://imgur.com/93Y3iAa

Because marvel was knocking around Thanos' actual form with CCU. Mar-vell for skyfather level!!!! You don't ever answer his questions directly because you know it shows your position to be utterly ridiculous. Thanos didn't use the cube against her in the mind war.

Originally posted by Sundipped
^ i know Moondragon didn't have the gem vs Strange and links aren't that impressive. If anything it makes Thanos achieving victory over MD using his own power more reasonable. Surfer resisted while she was amped and Strange broke her as well.

I think we can all agree that if the cube was used, the battle wouldn't have lasted the couple panels that it did.
That was because Thanos was playing as Mar-Vell revealed later. Thanos with CCU vs Captain Mar-Vell shouldn't last one panel. It occurred for several pages.

^Yeah he pretty much played with everybody. Marvel was only really evading a Thanos who got the cube knocked out his hand but as it turns out, it was almost as if he had the cube when he inevitably wound up one shotting Marvel but that's something Thanos is fully capable of on his own.

Originally posted by Sundipped
^Yeah he pretty much played with everybody. Marvel was only really evading a Thanos who got the cube knocked out his hand but as it turns out, it was almost as if he had the cube when he inevitably wound up one shotting Marvel but that's something Thanos is fully capable of on his own.
The thing is Thanos isn't strong enough to toy with moonie in psi as Starlin himself wrote her as being better in TP than Thanos later. Thanos was using CCU for that.

Also Thanos had drained the CCU at that point in himself. Knocking it out of his hands didn't decrease his powers.

Thanos never used the cube to fight MD in the mental battle, it's made pretty clear by what MD say that he power is nothing to Thanos but mentally she can match him.

It's been made clear several time Thanos TP is stronger for instance during Imperative when she needs two other to handle him or in Annihilation when she TP blasts him and doesn't even phase him, he'll he just sighs and makes a smart ass remark

Pretty sure he didn't use the cube.

Originally posted by abhilegend
The thing is Thanos isn't strong enough to toy with moonie in psi as Starlin himself wrote her as being better in TP than Thanos later. Thanos was using CCU for that.

Also Thanos had drained the CCU at that point in himself. Knocking it out of his hands didn't decrease his powers.

MD only provided a link. Thanos tried to pry info out of Galactus on the mental plane after he was contacted but failed because Galactus is no slouch in that department himself.

Well you heard Marvel state that he was toying with them (Drax included) so that explains why he wasn't instantly obliterated.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
Thanos never used the cube to fight MD in the mental battle, it's made pretty clear by what MD say that he power is nothing to Thanos but mentally she can match him.

It's been made clear several time Thanos TP is stronger for instance during Imperative when she needs two other to handle him or in Annihilation when she TP blasts him and doesn't even phase him, he'll he just sighs and makes a smart ass remark
That makes his psi shields stronger than she could pierce. She IS a better telepath than him though.Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Pretty sure he didn't use the cube.
Of course he did. It was plainly stated here.

http://i.imgur.com/sh14WK4.jpg

You can see moondragon as one of the captives he used his infinite power to capture.

Originally posted by Sundipped
MD only provided a link. Thanos tried to pry info out of Galactus on the mental plane after he was contacted but failed because Galactus is no slouch in that department himself.

Well you heard Marvel state that he was toying with them (Drax included) so that explains why he wasn't instantly obliterated.
And why didn't Thanos contacted Galactus on his own if he's a better TP than moonie?

The same with moondragon. Thanos with CCU shouldn't struggle with moondragon.

Originally posted by abhilegend
That makes his psi shields stronger than she could pierce. She IS a better telepath than him though.
Of course he did. It was plainly stated here.

http://i.imgur.com/sh14WK4.jpg

You can see moondragon as one of the captives he used his infinite power to capture.


And why didn't Thanos contacted Galactus on his own if he's a better TP than moonie?

The same with moondragon. Thanos with CCU shouldn't struggle with moondragon. he was weakend during imperative and she still needed help and she still was t powerful enough to penetrate his mind during annihilation as he had to let her into his mind .

The scan you posted was after the mind battle when he had already won and had her under his control.

He used MD to create the mental plaine him a g Galactus met on, so he could focus all mental power on Galactus that's why only he appeared infront on Galactus

Originally posted by Insane Titan
he was weakend during imperative and she still needed help and she still was t powerful enough to penetrate his mind during annihilation as he had to let her into his mind .

The scan you posted was after the mind battle when he had already won and had her under his control.

He used MD to create the mental plaine him a g Galactus met on, so he could focus all mental power on Galactus that's why only he appeared infront on Galactus
She stated his psi-shields were strong. It wasn't a battle between two telepaths. Starlin wrote Thanos' mind being impenetrable to moondragon with mind gem in Infinity Watch too. Doesn't mean he is a better telepath than Moondragon with mind gem. He isn't a better telepath than Xavier whose aid he needed against Goddess.

That's not what happened. Thanos had the CCU against her and that's what was shown in the retelling.

I would like to see the scan where it was stated that he used Moondragon just to conserve his telepathy against Galactus. Its not in the comic I have.

This feat is not usable for Thanos. Not in the slightest.

Originally posted by Uriel005
werent you the one to bring up the synchronicty wave? what can thanos do against that assuming we're calling vertigo John classic considering he's consistently been the same character aging in real time with demon blood to slow it down. But he definitely has been aging

I did, and there's not much he can do, but John would still have to do a bit of legwork. My theory was one that fits the characters and would fit a Constantine story.

Originally posted by abhilegend
That was because Thanos was playing as Mar-Vell revealed later. Thanos with CCU vs Captain Mar-Vell shouldn't last one panel. It occurred for several pages.

Well that's because Mar- Vell is a sky father.

Con Jon tricks Strange into being right where he needs him to be Thanos's patsy.
He cons Thanos into using Strange as a conduit to steal vast magic power in a way that he has set up to betray death and lose Thanos her blessing.
Just when he senses Thanos no longer has Death protection he sticks him in the back with the blade he used to kill FoF in Greece, result is he ends up with the power of BOTH Strange and Thanos and Deaths blessing.

He walks off lighting another camel and gives the corps of all fallen behind him the finger.

That sounds like a usual Constantine plot line.

Originally posted by abhilegend
That's not what happened. AT ALL. Thanos was merely playing with everyone there, he wasn't using his own powers though. He was using CCU as the panel shows where Moondragon is also present as captured when Thanos captured her via beating her in TP. Its totally relevant.


Originally posted by abhilegend
That makes his psi shields stronger than she could pierce. She IS a better telepath than him though.
Of course he did. It was plainly stated here.

http://i.imgur.com/vex8zY5.jpg

You can see moondragon as one of the captives he used his infinite power to capture.


What?

I already told you that that was a different case. In issue #31, Thanos loses the cube temporarily and tries to get it back, only to engage Moondy in a mind war. What the hell does that have to do with Thanos playing everyone after he merged with the universe?

Your scan shows Moondragon restrained with the others through the cosmic cube, which is true; because one page after Thanos' TP battle with Moondragon, he restrained her and the others through the cube:

http://i.imgur.com/hksjMav.jpg?1

Pay attention to the left side of the scan where we (partially) see Moondragon getting restrained by Thanos with the cube. And that's what your scan from issue 33 shows. Nothing contradictory at all.

So again: Your scan is totally, completely, and utterly irrelevant.

Originally posted by abhilegend

So he was using it for nothing in one panel and not using it in the next? What was he doing with it in the panel I posted though?


He was about to use it. When Moondragon engaged him in a mind war, he was unable to use it until he frees his mind. Clear and simple.


Originally posted by abhilegend

Insults? What insults?


Maybe not insults, but the hostility is definitely there.....for some reason.

Originally posted by abhilegend

That's where this coms in.

http://imgur.com/93Y3iAa

Because marvel was knocking around Thanos' actual form with CCU. Mar-vell for skyfather level!!!!

He did no such thing. Not sure where you're getting this idea from.

And how exactly does that answer my question? Don't avoid it, id like to hear you answer that. Because when you do, you'll realize how ridiculous it is (Thanos barely beating Moondragon in a telepathic battle enhanced by the cube, same cube, which merged him with the universe in an instant.........).

Basically there's no narration/statement/ anything saying that the cube enhanced Thanos, which makes sense considering that Moondragon barely holding her own against Thanos with the cube, isn't believable. So not only do you not have evidence to support your stance, but your argument doesn't make sense, to begin with.

Im done arguing about this topic, believe what you want.

Originally posted by Sundipped

I think we can all agree that if the cube was used, the battle wouldn't have lasted the couple panels that it did.



Cant believe some people can't see the obvious.

Originally posted by operator616
What?

I already told you that that was a different case. In what sense? Thanos got the cube back one panel before Moonie engaged him. I don't have to tell you how CCU works, do I? It grants people their wishes.

Heaven forbid someone thinks that he was using CCU in their Psi battle too. Starlin never wrote Thanos being a better psi than Moonie without CCU. That fact alone throws doubt over that feat.

So, what was the glow in that panel before moonie engaged him doing?

Heh.



Unable to? Where the **** was that stated?




Meh, that's how I sound most of the times. No hard feelings there bro.



From Starlin's own works? Why did Thanos needed Xavier, Moondragon and ****ing Sleepwalker to battle Goddess when he is above Moondragon already before he got an amp?

He was playing with her obviously. Its no more ridiculous than IG Thanos getting his shit kicked in by Earth's heroes or getting his head blown off by Quasar. There was no narration there either.

And neither was there a narration/statement/anything saying that Thanos wasn't using the cube there either. Anyway that's an ambiguous feat and you denying the obvious doesn't makes this non-ambiguous. If you like I can ask a mod about it.

The next time you bring up a feat from IG, I would ask where was the narration stating he was using IG. This entire discussion is laughable. No offense.

Originally posted by abhilegend
She stated his psi-shields were strong. It wasn't a battle between two telepaths. Starlin wrote Thanos' mind being impenetrable to moondragon with mind gem in Infinity Watch too. Doesn't mean he is a better telepath than Moondragon with mind gem. He isn't a better telepath than Xavier whose aid he needed against Goddess.

That's not what happened. Thanos had the CCU against her and that's what was shown in the retelling.

I would like to see the scan where it was stated that he used Moondragon just to conserve his telepathy against Galactus. Its not in the comic I have.

This feat is not usable for Thanos. Not in the slightest. She and the other two were in his mind in Imperative he forced them out.
Starlin never wrote that, Warlock made a rule when he was god that the gems couldnt be used on other Infinity Watch members thats why she couldnt see in. Thanos has telepathic feats to match Xavier, Charles has been TP punked by the likes of Apocalypse.

Yeah he had the cube but never used it or the battle would of been over instantly just like how easliy he captured kronos. Operator already put you straight on this

Are you kidding? Thanos even explains to Galactus all he has to do is blink and and he will meet on a pre arranged mental plaine.

Why do you honestly think only Thanos is seen before Galactus and trying overtake his mind, and Thanos is the only one that feels the effect of the mind battle.

It is you just do want Thanos to have any type of feats period.

Well, besides the current argument... lol at people thinking Strange could beat Thanos.

Constantine... I don't even know anymore.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Well, besides the current argument... lol at people thinking Strange could beat Thanos.

Constantine... I don't even know anymore.

He's always been a walking plot device, with an actual walking plot device power - now he's interacting with the greater DC universe, that's all.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
She and the other two were in his mind in Imperative he forced them out.
Starlin never wrote that, Warlock made a rule when he was god that the gems couldnt be used on other Infinity Watch members thats why she couldnt see in. Thanos has telepathic feats to match Xavier, Charles has been TP punked by the likes of Apocalypse.

Yeah he had the cube but never used it or the battle would of been over instantly just like how easliy he captured kronos. Operator already put you straight on this

Are you kidding? Thanos even explains to Galactus all he has to do is blink and and he will meet on a pre arranged mental plaine.

Why do you honestly think only Thanos is seen before Galactus and trying overtake his mind, and Thanos is the only one that feels the effect of the mind battle.

It is you just do want Thanos to have any type of feats period.
So? People force telepaths out of their minds everytime in comics. Do you think Thanos is a better TP than moondragon with mind gem? When she asked why she couldn't see in his mind, his answer wasn't that he was a member of Watch. It was "I'm thanos". Warlock had Thanos as a contingency, he was never an official member. Also Apoc was amped on the energy of The Twelve. Did you somehow forgot that?

That's not a viable explanation here. Thanos vs Mar-vell should've ended in one panel, it didn't.

And that was done via moondragon's TP. Why use her when Thanos is a better TP? Why use Xavier, Moondragon and ****ing sleepwalker against Goddess?

Because Thanos used Moondragon to contact Galactus, that's where her job ended.

You are confusing me with h1.

Thanos did imply that Moondragon would destroy his mind if she wanted to when he let her read his mind during Annihilation.

At the cost of one of his own limbs, he could trap the Spectre.

Imagine what he could do if he sacrificed a magic user such as Strange?

With thanks to Galan.

http://imgur.com/qzATchC

Originally posted by leonidas
i thought most of the strange myths had been suitably busted. several times. alas.....



It's not that he couldn't hang with Thanos for a while, properly prepped and artifact-carrying. But yeah, he's in trouble in a drawn out fight.

@Abhi Originally posted by abhilegend
So? People force telepaths out of their minds everytime in comics.good for them, Thanos did it to 3 whilst he was weakend big difference. without it yes lol he was always a secret member of the watch, Warlock made it clear when he told people he had given the reality gem to someone but keep their ID secret. His mental powers werent amped iirc

Thanos toyed with Marvell, just like he did at the end of Death of Captain Marvell and when he brought him back to life using the reality gem.

are you just ignoring what i say on purpose? Thanos used her to create the mental enviroment him and Galactus fought on, if he was creating the place mentally they battled on and had a TP battle with Galactus at the same time he would of lost far quicker. because they attacked her on a metaphysical lvl thats why Thanos used the soul gem to try and penertrate the cosmic egg.

So you admit she didnt aid in the actual battle? you know Thanos has displayed TP powers reading Gamoras thoughts from another dimension.

nah bro you seem to be doing the same lately

^ Insane Titan boy you sure do have a lot of patience.

Originally posted by Sundipped
^ Insane Titan boy you sure do have a lot of patience. cheers, but lol you're kidding right?

Originally posted by abhilegend
In what sense?

In the sense that Thanos wasn't toying with Moondragon as opposed to when he achieved his Godhood .......which is pretty obvious. No one here is denying that Thanos was playing when achieved Godhood (merged with the universe), Warlock even confirmed that Thanos allowed Marvel to shatter it during Infinity Gauntlet #5. However, prior to that, his main goal was his grand transformation, he was not playing. Go re-read the comics and you'll figure it out for yourself.

If you're still gonna deny it, then provide evidence that he was toying (which you don't have).

Originally posted by abhilegend
Thanos got the cube back one panel before Moonie engaged him. I don't have to tell you how CCU works, do I? It grants people their wishes.


Totally didn't know that.

It grants people wishes yes, turns thought into reality. So you can see how Moondragon resisting that kind of power, is ridiculous to argue. And that's exactly what you're doing.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Heaven forbid someone thinks that he was using CCU in their Psi battle too. Starlin never wrote Thanos being a better psi than Moonie without CCU. That fact alone throws doubt over that feat.


Right, it's not like you yourself just referenced Moondragon with the mind gem unable to read Thanos' mind, which happened in Warlock and the infinity watch #8, written by Starlin. Nor does Thanos calling Moondragon for help against Galactus in his series, prove anything.....but that's really beside the point; we saw Thanos take down Moondragon through a mind war, no indication was given that he was using the cube (which makes sense as opposed to Thanos using the cube), Period.

And no, that particular showing doesn't prove that Thanos' telepathy > MG Moondragon, because nobody said he could actually beat her. (Not that i care that much for Thanos' telepathy or Moondragon's for that matter. I don't really care to debate characters below the skyfather tier, that's why this'll probably be my last post regarding this topic).

And Moondragon was always good. One example not written by Starlin would be mindraping an entire planet as shown in Avengers #219, under Jim Shooter....after which her mental abilities were restricted for a while.

Originally posted by abhilegend

He was playing with her obviously. Its no more ridiculous than IG Thanos getting his shit kicked in by Earth's heroes or getting his head blown off by Quasar. There was no narration there either.

And neither was there a narration/statement/anything saying that Thanos wasn't using the cube there either. Anyway that's an ambiguous feat and you denying the obvious doesn't makes this non-ambiguous. If you like I can ask a mod about it.


Addressed. Not going to keep repeating myself hundred times.

The burden of proof is on you to present evidence that Thanos was using the cube (which you failed to), and that he was merely toying (which you double-failed to). Not that the evidence actually exists.

Ask a mod if you wish.


Originally posted by abhilegend

From Starlin's own works? Why did Thanos needed Xavier, Moondragon and ****ing Sleepwalker to battle Goddess when he is above Moondragon already before he got an amp?


And why wouldn't he need an amp to fight the goddess? It was also Xavier, Thanos and Warlock who battled the Goddess.

.....Also, that is relevant how exactly? You said that Marvel was knocking Thanos' universal/godly form and i said no such thing happened, so what does this response of yours have to do with anything?

Originally posted by abhilegend
This entire discussion is laughable.

Totally agree. It really is hilarious how you're trying to suggest Moondragon held her own against a Cube enhanced Thanos.

That's why ill stop entertaining this comedy right now.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
cheers, but lol you're kidding right?

I don't see how you, along with operator, can continue to go back and forth like this with abhi. That's what I meant.

Edit: Op's patience just ran out as well it seems.

Originally posted by Sundipped
I don't see how you, along with operator, can continue to go back and forth like this with abhi. That's what I meant.

Edit: Op's patience just ran out as well it seems. Im on my meds today so all is good lol

Originally posted by Insane Titan
@Abhi good for them, Thanos did it to 3 whilst he was weakend big difference. He must be better psi than her with gem too.

http://i.imgur.com/fXHrfy7.jpg

Yes but that's not what the reason she couldn't read his mind. They were. He was warping reality with just a residue of that power in Ages of Apocalypse.

And he toyed with Moonie too.

That's not what he said. He was surprised that Galactus knew of psychic combat at all. That's dodging the question.

I never said she did. Good heavens, that's like Psylocke level psi right there.

I don't. I am just seeing the facts for what they are.

Originally posted by operator616
In the sense that Thanos wasn't toying with Moondragon as opposed to when he achieved his Godhood .......which is pretty obvious. Is it? You aren't grasping that when Thanos held the cube in his hand, he still had the power. Later he just drained the power in himself. You are saying that the only way to use the cube is to drain the power in himself? C'mon buddy. I've read it several times. Thanks.

Wut?



Glad to inform you bro. What are friends for?

And that's exactly what happened, so the only conclusion is that Thanos was playing with her. Nope.



So now Thanos is a better telepath than Moondragon with mind gem?



We saw the cube glowing just before she engaged him which according to you means the cube was being used. So Thanos did use the cube against her. Your words brah.

Why not? You totally did not say that in the last post.

Context brah. She controlled some factions of the planet to maintain peace. It wasn't the entire planet.



Heh, that's what you're doing.

Already did. Not going to repeat myself.

Will do.




Why the need for Xavier? Moondragon casually put him in coma in the very same arc.

http://imageshack.us/a/img6/6476/n436.th.jpg http://imageshack.us/a/img5/426/x14i.th.jpg http://imageshack.us/a/img833/2971/a90z.th.jpg

Thanos should be easily above him in TP, right?

What?



Promises, Promises.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
He's always been a walking plot device, with an actual walking plot device power - now he's interacting with the greater DC universe, that's all.

What did you think of my little plot device idea? I thought it sounded in character for Con John

Here it is again

Originally posted by beatboks
What did you think of my little plot device idea? I thought it sounded in character for Con John

Here it is again

I liked it, I can see it being pretty accurate to a Hellblazer crossover. Perhaps a tad more guilt on John's part for depriving the world of the Sorceror Supreme, but hey, it's Marvel's world which suffers, not his. Needs must, and all that.

Let the others bicker over the telepathy showing. We know how it REALLY goes down....

Well, i honestly wasn't considering responding, but when you have Abhi accusing me of leaving out context, putting words in my mouth to make it seem like my argument is ridiculous, and randomly jumping from one point to another to undermine my argument,.....then i can't help but respond (hopefully this will be the last unless Abhi accuses me of some further context). And im going to leave the cube/Thanos argument aside, since Abhi is never going to concede. We all know that.

Originally posted by abhilegend

So now Thanos is a better telepath than Moondragon with mind gem?


Did you somehow miss the statement i made directly afterwards? Because i clearly said that Thanos isn't. Stop putting words in my mouth.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Why not?

Because MG Moondragon unable to read Thanos' mind doesn't prove that Thanos is capable of beating her. I didn't think this needs to be spelled out, apparently it did.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Context brah. She controlled some factions of the planet to maintain peace. It wasn't the entire planet.


Context....? Let's see this "context" shall we:

On Panel!
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Avengers #219:

http://i.imgur.com/frToV9R.jpg?1

"seized control over this entire world"


Handbook!
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OHOTMU v2 #9:

http://i.imgur.com/pRtwHX4.jpg?1

"Population of an entire world"

Index!
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Official Marvel Index to the Avengers #4 (offers a summary of the relevant issue):

http://i.imgur.com/zjZKZAd.jpg?1

"seized control of the planet"


Next time ask for scans instead of accusing me of "context".

Originally posted by abhilegend

Why the need for Xavier? Moondragon casually put him in coma in the very same arc.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/6/n436.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/5/x14i.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/833/a90z.jpg/

Thanos should be easily above him in TP, right?


So you just completely ignore the point and randomly jump to another, very nice.

You said that Thanos needed Xavier + Moondragon + Sleepwalker to battle the Goddess in IC #6.....which is false, Moondragon didn't, it was Xavier who amped Thanos in that instance.


Those scans of yours from IC #3 are irrelevant, Thanos needed an amp, ok, cool, what does this prove exactly? Nothing.

Stop accusing me of missing context when you're the one who's doing it, stop putting words in my mouth, stop randomly jumping from one point to another.......so im out. Have a nice day.

Originally posted by operator616
Well, i honestly wasn't considering responding, but when you have Abhi accusing me of leaving out context, putting words in my mouth to make it seem like my argument is ridiculous, and randomly jumping from one point to another to undermine my argument,.....then i can't help but respond (hopefully this will be the last unless Abhi accuses me of some further context). And im going to leave the cube/Thanos argument aside, since Abhi is never going to concede. We all know that.



Did you somehow miss the statement i made directly afterwards? Because i clearly said that Thanos isn't. Stop putting words in my mouth.



Because MG Moondragon unable to read Thanos' mind doesn't prove that Thanos is capable of beating her. I didn't think this needs to be spelled out, apparently it did.



Context....? Let's see this "context" shall we:

On Panel!
-----------

Avengers #219:

http://i.imgur.com/frToV9R.jpg?1

"seized control over this entire world"


Handbook!
-------------

OHOTMU v2 #9:

http://i.imgur.com/pRtwHX4.jpg?1

"Population of an entire world"

Index!
--------

Official Marvel Index to the Avengers #4 (offers a summary of the relevant issue):

http://i.imgur.com/zjZKZAd.jpg?1

"seized control of the planet"


Next time ask for scans instead of accusing me of "context".



So you just completely ignore the point and randomly jump to another, very nice.

You said that Thanos needed Xavier + Moondragon + Sleepwalker to battle the Goddess in IC #6.....which is false, Moondragon didn't, it was Xavier who amped Thanos in that instance.


Those scans of yours from IC #3 are irrelevant, Thanos needed an amp, ok, cool, what does this prove exactly? Nothing.

Stop accusing me of missing context when you're the one who's doing it, stop putting words in my mouth, stop randomly jumping from one point to another.......so im out. Have a nice day.

Originally posted by operator616
Well, i honestly wasn't considering responding, but when you have Abhi accusing me of leaving out context, putting words in my mouth to make it seem like my argument is ridiculous, and randomly jumping from one point to another to undermine my argument,.....then i can't help but respond (hopefully this will be the last unless Abhi accuses me of some further context). And im going to leave the cube/Thanos argument aside, since Abhi is never going to concede. We all know that. Then you don't know me very well. I would concede if your proof is concrete as I've done several times.



That was just sarcasm bro.









Oh really?

http://i.imgur.com/aguQpCA.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/U7qhzir.jpg


And next time act less condescendingly.



Not really.

Why need for such a lowly telepath when you are above someone like Moondragon.........before getting amped by Mistress Death?




Just posting a lot of scans. Which is important for winning a debate, I learned it from you and Master.

Stop acting like a petulant child. We all can be wrong, its nothing to be ashamed of.

Not interested in the rest of your post but regading the moondragon scans: You can't be serious by posting those scans. Because they literally prove nothing. NOTHING. Anyone who reads this thread would know this, so let them look for themselves.

Anywho.....On panel + bio + Index:

Originally posted by operator616

On Panel!
-----------

Avengers #219:

http://i.imgur.com/frToV9R.jpg?1

"seized control over this entire world"


Handbook!
-------------

OHOTMU v2 #9:

http://i.imgur.com/pRtwHX4.jpg?1

"Population of an entire world"

Index!
--------

Official Marvel Index to the Avengers #4 (offers a summary of the relevant issue):

http://i.imgur.com/zjZKZAd.jpg?1

"seized control of the planet"


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Originally posted by abhilegend
Then you don't know me very well. I would concede if your proof is concrete as I've done several times.


Just like in the Moondragon scans, right? You just posted scans that don't contradict anything, anything AT ALL. And ive presented on panel + Handbook + Index to support my stance..........i mean, if this is not enough for you, then what is????

Yeah, i think i know you very well by now.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Stop acting like a petulant child. We all can be wrong, its nothing to be ashamed of.

Okay? I never said otherwise.

Originally posted by operator616
Not interested in the rest of your post but regading the moondragon scans: You can't be serious by posting those scans. Because they literally prove nothing. NOTHING. Anyone who reads this thread would know this, so let them look for themselves.

Anywho.....On panel + bio + Index:



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Just like in the Moondragon scans, right? You just posted scans that don't contradict anything, anything AT ALL. And ive presented on panel + Handbook + Index to support my stance..........i mean, if this is not enough for you, then what is????

Yeah, i think i know you very well by now.



Okay? I never said otherwise.
Why? Because a statement from Thor supersedes comments from Moondragon herself that she didn't control the world but brought peace by controlling the various factions and their leaders? "An entire world" is just misleading, she never controlled the whole planet, its right there in the scans bro. I mean why don't you post the whole scan where Moondragon again talks how she brought peace to that world, not seized control of it.

http://i.imgur.com/x5eyQvG.jpg

How did she do that?

http://i.imgur.com/aguQpCA.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/U7qhzir.jpg

Cropping scans is fun, ain't it?

Originally posted by operator616
Not interested in the rest of your post but regading the moondragon scans: You can't be serious by posting those scans. Because they literally prove nothing. NOTHING. Anyone who reads this thread would know this, so let them look for themselves.

Anywho.....On panel + bio + Index:



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Just like in the Moondragon scans, right? You just posted scans that don't contradict anything, anything AT ALL. And ive presented on panel + Handbook + Index to support my stance..........i mean, if this is not enough for you, then what is????

Yeah, i think i know you very well by now.



Okay? I never said otherwise.