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Yep. Republicans don't care about the poor and the disabled so they take some of their food money away. That's pretty harsh.

Obama's such a socialist!

Originally posted by Nemesis X
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/01/republicans-won-food-stamps-farm-bill

Yep. Republicans don't care about the poor and the disabled so they take some of their food money away. That's pretty harsh.

Yup, that's not a totally emotional and illogical reaction at all. While I'm for foodstamps, just like I am for welfare, there has been an onslaught of abuse for those two programs. Now I'm not sure I would have slashed food stamps but I definitely would have increased some kind of oversight for both programs and added a harsh penalty for abuse.

There's always someone to blame. MAyhaps someone needs to look at the bigger picture. =-/

Originally posted by psmith81992
Yup, that's not a totally emotional and illogical reaction at all. While I'm for foodstamps, just like I am for welfare, there has been an onslaught of abuse for those two programs. Now I'm not sure I would have slashed food stamps but I definitely would have increased some kind of oversight for both programs and added a harsh penalty for abuse.

Republicans are willing to sacrifice social welfare for tax cuts on the rich and war spending. Why are these phuckbags still in office?

Originally posted by Firefly218
Republicans are willing to sacrifice social welfare for tax cuts on the rich and war spending. Why are these phuckbags still in office?

Because your characterization of the situation is wrong. You are buying into propaganda. Nether Republicans or Demarcates are for the poor.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Because your characterization of the situation is wrong. You are buying into propaganda. Nether Republicans or Demarcates are for the poor. B-b-but Obama said... hope, and... and change! a-and...

I'm still waiting for my free health care and above-average paying federal job.

Move to Canada? You f*cking Commie.

I have free health care.

It's amazing. awepedo

I have a Medicare card... Go Australia.

...

I envy you people and your socialist benefits. If I snapped my leg in half tomorrow I'd have to buy discount popsicle sticks just to bind it.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I have free health care.

It's amazing. awepedo

Me too, and that's pretty much where the good things that can be said about it end.

Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
Me too, and that's pretty much where the good things that can be said about it end.

lol


I think I would prefer France's overall quality of healthcare mixed in with the US's top-notch healthcare services and professionals.

Originally posted by dadudemon
lol


I think I would prefer France's overall quality of healthcare mixed in with the US's top-notch healthcare services and professionals.

I quite like Japan's healthcare system.

I'm sure this will fix all the nation's problems. Or some. Actually, probably none.

I don't even know what my health care is. I just have card that says you need to put my organs back inside.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Because your characterization of the situation is wrong. You are buying into propaganda. Nether Republicans or Demarcates are for the poor.

Democrats tried to pass welfare extensions, but they were blocked by the republican house. It's not propaganda, it's common knowledge that the right wing platform is against too many "entitlement" programs.

BTW, the democrats have to care about the poor. That's where their votes come from.

My characterization of the situation is spot on

I have a friend who makes more money than I do and who lives with his parents who's on food stamps because it's so damn easy for just about anyone to apply for them and get them.

Originally posted by Firefly218
Democrats tried to pass welfare extensions, but they were blocked by the republican house. It's not propaganda, it's common knowledge that the right wing platform is against too many "entitlement" programs.

BTW, the democrats have to care about the poor. That's where their votes come from.

My characterization of the situation is spot on

If the poor stopped voting for Democrats, they would be dropped like a hot potato by the Democrats.

The welfare extension is far more complex than the way Democrats like to propagandize.

The only argument against welfare extension is the welfare fraud that takes place. Republicans are fine when rich corporations take advantage of tax loop holes, but when a poor person takes advantage of food stamps to eat its an atrocity.

The poor people vote for democrats because they are in favor of social welfare and higher taxes on the rich.

Originally posted by Firefly218
The only argument against welfare extension is the welfare fraud that takes place. Republicans are fine when rich corporations take advantage of tax loop holes, but when a poor person takes advantage of food stamps to eat its an atrocity.

The poor people vote for democrats because they are in favor of social welfare and higher taxes on the rich.

This is all fantasy. Propaganda that has been spoon fed to people like you for all of your life.

I don't believe any of it!

What do you believe?

I am for slashing Food Stamps. I like my socially unequal lessers to be rail-thin, so that the police defending my rights to own means of production/living can better detain them when they protest.

Originally posted by Firefly218
What do you believe?

The Demarcates are not poor, and they do not get their funding from the poor. They are rich, and they get their funding from the rich. When they say they want to tax the rich, they are lying to you.

Both Demarcates and Republicans are for the rich. I think the Demarcates are just better liars.

http://www.bolgernow.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Mitt-Romney-funny-bet-300x273.png

Also, Democrats, while similarly rich and not as different from Republicans as many think, still pander to the lower income bracket and lower-middle because they champion social programs more than the Republicans. The Republicans, however, have become more and more about fear mongering, and pander to the old and the conservative, both of who can't stand the idea of changes.

But until Colbert runs for office, just can't bring myself to vote.

Colbert and Stewart for pres

If I could vote, that's where it would go.

http://www.eonline.com/eol_images/Entire_Site/2010931/300.colbert.cm.103110.jpg

Originally posted by Firefly218
Colbert and Stewart for pres

If I could vote, that's where it would go.

http://www.eonline.com/eol_images/Entire_Site/2010931/300.colbert.cm.103110.jpg

Hope you realize that they are not news. They are comedians.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
I have a friend who makes more money than I do and who lives with his parents who's on food stamps because it's so damn easy for just about anyone to apply for them and get them.
Kind of made me wish we had food stamps in Sweden. Free lunches every day.

Originally posted by Astner
Kind of made me wish we had food stamps in Sweden. Free lunches every day.
Not quite that good. From what I understand, he and his girlfriend would get them at the end of every month and would go splurge at Publix (common grocery store in Florida) when they got them. Ideally you're supposed to be able to ration them out over a month, but if you don't have a stable flow of income it isn't much. Again, from what I understand.

My mother was on food stamps back in the 80s when she was recently divorced and had 3 children, under 10, to raise. She tried it for a month or two. Hated it. Stopped using it. Worked her ass off until she got through college.

Originally posted by dadudemon
My mother was on food stamps back in the 80s when she was recently divorced and had 3 children, under 10, to raise. She tried it for a month or two. Hated it. Stopped using it. Worked her ass off until she got through college.




Respect man.

My mom got divorced and is raising me and my sis, and putting my brother through college. She absolutely refuses to use food stamps. More Americans should be like that

I see no reason why anyone in a bad financial situation should abstain from foodstamps out of some sense of pride, especially if they have children. Take whatever advantage you can get in life.

Heck, I've been making six figures (in USD) since last summer and I'm currently living with my parents without any expenses save for food, and I would take food stamps.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
I see no reason why anyone in a bad financial situation should abstain from foodstamps out of some sense of pride, especially if they have children. Take whatever advantage you can get in life.

For some people, the tax breaks and tuition breaks (including grants) are enough. They like to come halfway by working full time.

If you're more than capable of working and going to college, while having children, why take advantage of the system? Save that money for someone else.



It seems odd to you but what people like my and Firefly's mothers are doing (or did) is saving the money for those mothers (or fathers) that are in shittier situations. So maybe they have to work a bit harder than most people. If we're honest, that type of attitude is more communist than using the system because it saves the money for comrades that could use it more, haha.

slash this dick, DDM

edit- sprry sorry, I'm drunk.

Originally posted by dadudemon
If you're more than capable of working and going to college, while having children, why take advantage of the system? Save that money for someone else. This presupposes that you care about other people.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
This presupposes that you care about other people.

It's society which grants you freedoms and luxuries you otherwise wouldn't have. It is all members of society as a collective whole that allow for your success. It's only proper to give back when you're in a position to do so.

Edit: Then again, you were probably joking so this comment is irrelevant

Originally posted by Firefly218
It's society which grants you freedoms and luxuries you otherwise wouldn't have. It is all members of society as a collective whole that allow for your success. It's only proper to give back when you're in a position to do so.

Edit: Then again, you were probably joking so this comment is irrelevant

Giving is not the same as taking.

Taxes are reinvested into society. When people don't take advantage of government benefits or tax loopholes, it helps society as a whole. Those benefits can then go to people or companies that actually need them

Originally posted by Firefly218
Taxes are reinvested into society. When people don't take advantage of government benefits or tax loopholes, it helps society as a whole. Those benefits can then go to people or companies that actually need them

Still, the government takes the money from you.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Still, the government takes the money from you.

And gives it back in different ways.

Originally posted by Firefly218
And gives it back in different ways.

What a dreamer. They give it to their friends and rich supporters on both sides. We only get enough to keep us quiet.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
What a dreamer. They give it to their friends and rich supporters on both sides. We only get enough to keep us quiet. They ****ed up.

The goverment ****ed up.

I'd love to show the world how great I can be, but since I can't be all I can be because of other's greed, it's time for a bloody uprising.

That's a promise.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
What a dreamer. They give it to their friends and rich supporters on both sides. We only get enough to keep us quiet.

Are you seriously advocating for no taxes? Taxes are essential for the continued sustenance of government, without which there would be no government. Without government we can't have society, and therefore we can't enjoy the luxuries functioning society brings. I understand that our gov system isn't perfect, but it works a hell of a lot better then some of the other ones out there.

BTW, the gov spends a vast majority of our taxes on social welfare and military - not on supporters. The gov does however pass laws to fit their supporters agendas.

Originally posted by Firefly218
Are you seriously advocating for no taxes? Taxes are essential for the continued sustenance of government, without which there would be no government. Without government we can't have society, and therefore we can't enjoy the luxuries functioning society brings. I understand that our gov system isn't perfect, but it works a hell of a lot better then some of the other ones out there.

BTW, the gov spends a vast majority of our taxes on social welfare and military - not on supporters. The gov does however pass laws to fit their supporters agendas. The **** are you talking about?

Do you really think that the American government has any say in the matter???

They do one thing and one thing alone, suppress the majority's access to wealth. They have no say or free will in the matter because the shadow constitution does not allow this, they are controlled by the clandestine families who got ahead centuries ago.

What the Republic of America is, is the illusion of free-will for the immigrant's descendants present here.

Some of these descendants are let in to the family gene-pool due to genetic superiority, to keep the sanctity and worth of the clandestine empire strong.

I've pondered denying the offer, I don't have the capacity. No human of that cloth does.

Originally posted by dadudemon
For some people, the tax breaks and tuition breaks (including grants) are enough. They like to come halfway by working full time.

If you're more than capable of working and going to college, while having children, why take advantage of the system? Save that money for someone else.



It seems odd to you but what people like my and Firefly's mothers are doing (or did) is saving the money for those mothers (or fathers) that are in shittier situations. So maybe they have to work a bit harder than most people. If we're honest, that type of attitude is more communist than using the system because it saves the money for comrades that could use it more, haha.
I'm simply arguing that I don't see any nobility in someone who needs help refusing it just because there are other people who might need it relatively more, especially if food stamps could make their children's lives happier and healthier.

I don't know your or Firefly's mothers' exact situations, what kind of standard of living they were at, and so on, but if they were anywhere close to the poverty line, I don't see any shame in taking advantage of foodstamps--quite the opposite, I'd call it a shame if they refused that assistance out of some misguided principle.

I don't think what you're describing is "communist" at all, because what you're describing is based on individual welfare (albeit others' welfare, rather than your own) rather than collective welfare. If you were thinking like a communist, you'd be thinking "well, how can we make it so that we all get foodstamps?" I'd almost call your outlook on foodstamps a kind of extroverted or vicarious selfishness, or perhaps more accurately, self-sacrifice.

Originally posted by Firefly218
Are you seriously advocating for no taxes? Taxes are essential for the continued sustenance of government, without which there would be no government. Without government we can't have society, and therefore we can't enjoy the luxuries functioning society brings. I understand that our gov system isn't perfect, but it works a hell of a lot better then some of the other ones out there.

BTW, the gov spends a vast majority of our taxes on social welfare and military - not on supporters. The gov does however pass laws to fit their supporters agendas.

Taxes support the rich. However, it's not direct.

I want my taxes to go to my community, not to some fat cat back East. I'm libertarian in that way.

republicans are stupid. politicians are stupid.

Originally posted by IceBreaker2000
republicans are stupid. politicians are stupid.
But you left out Demarcates. You realized they are politicians too.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Taxes support the rich. However, it's not direct.

I want my taxes to go to my community, not to some fat cat back East. I'm libertarian in that way. Really? Only the rich use roads, bridges and parks? Police and firefighters will only help you if you make X amount of money per year? What's the semester tuition for public schooling again? Only the rich can apply for welfare?

What a baffling argument to make. There is not a single person living in this country who doesn't benefit from taxes.

Originally posted by Tzeentch
Really? Only the rich use roads, bridges and parks? Police and firefighters will only help you if you make X amount of money per year? What's the semester tuition for public schooling again? Only the rich can apply for welfare?

What a baffling argument to make. There is not a single person living in this country who doesn't benefit from taxes.

How you got that from what I said is even more baffling.

The idea that one political party is pure in heart and as good as angels while the other political party are evil demons, is a fallacy; a lie; a stupid thing to believe.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I want my taxes to go to my community, not to some fat cat back East. I'm libertarian in that way.

Taxes do go to your community, unless you think that your community doesn't directly and vastly benefit from any of the things I mentioned.

Originally posted by Tzeentch
Taxes do go to your community, unless you think that your community doesn't directly and vastly benefit from any of the things I mentioned.

I would rather that my money go to my community does not mean that no money goes to my community. How you are drawing these conclusions is beyond me.

Basic English dictates that "I want my money to go toward my community" is an implication that your money is not going toward your community.

If you don't want to use basic english, then by all means, please clarify what you mean when you say that you want your money to help your community.

Originally posted by Tzeentch
Basic English dictates that "I want my money to go toward my community" is an implication that your money is not going toward your community.

If you don't want to use basic english, then by all means, please clarify what you mean when you say that you want your money to help your community.

So, you have resorted to insults. You realize that when you loose the argument, you should just shut up.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
So, you have resorted to insults. You realize that when you loose the argument, you should just shut up.

I'm not trying to offend you, but you make absolutely no sense.

Yes most politicians prioritize their selves over the welfare of society, but that doesn't change the facts. It is illegal for politicians to use tax money for private purposes. ILLEGAL.

Also, taxes benefit the poor more than they benefit the rich. Which is why most rich people despise taxes.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
So, you have resorted to insults. You realize that when you loose the argument, you should just shut up. Are you going to clarify your point?

Originally posted by Tzeentch
Are you going to clarify your point? He's dyslexic, he's probably not reading correctly what you said. Or even accurately communicating his own intent.