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Preboot versions. Who wins?

Superman wins.

Its cyborg superman carver.

Hmm.. As much as I love Henshaw, he was never really equal to Superman. I mean, Eradicator messed him up pretty badly, and Supes came pretty close to one shot KOing Eradicator a few times (And completely manhandled him during that storyline when Brainiac had the world convinced Superman's body was still in his tomb.)

In a straight fight, I think Orion could take him either physically, or with burst of Astro Force.

Originally posted by cdtm
Hmm.. As much as I love Henshaw, he was never really equal to Superman. I mean, Eradicator messed him up pretty badly, and Supes came pretty close to one shot KOing Eradicator a few times (And completely manhandled him during that storyline when Brainiac had the world convinced Superman's body was still in his tomb.)

In a straight fight, I think Orion could take him either physically, or with burst of Astro Force.
When did superman nearly oneshot KO erad? Also Hank beat eradicator, steel, superboy and supergirl together.

Originally posted by abhilegend
When did superman nearly oneshot KO erad? Also Hank beat eradicator, steel, superboy and supergirl together.

When Dr. David Conner merged with him. Superman assumes he's gone rogue again, and opens up with some punches that have him dazed and seriously slurring his speech, like he's barely holding onto consciousness.

And that's true, but even if we assume that wasn't a low end showing for Eradicator (Superboy and Steel being gimped by Superboys weakness to energy, and Steel having a mechanical suit he could exploit), what Darkseid did to Cyborg Superman in Hunter/Prey proves he's nowhere near Supermans weight class.

Actually, what Superman did to Henshaw at the end of Return of Superman proves that.

While Orion has showings where he can hold his own against him, like Death of the New Gods and his fight against a Dominus manipulated Superman, where he wasn't in his right mind and more brutal than normal.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Its cyborg superman carver.

I know.

Originally posted by cdtm
When Dr. David Conner merged with him. Superman assumes he's gone rogue again, and opens up with some punches that have him dazed and seriously slurring his speech, like he's barely holding onto consciousness. No, he didn't.

What weakness exploitation? You mean the same omega beams that stunned H/P Doomsday and superman got burned by just being near them when they struck Henshaw in a WEAKENED condition?

Where Henshaw was weakened by kryptonite?

He has showings where he gets his ass handed to him compared to superman too, like when Doomsday knocked his ass out and then owned him along with manjobber in one minute while Superman let Doomsday wail on him for like 15 punches and was still standing or when Brainiac oneshotted him and Lightray together only for Superman to beat the shit out of brainiac. Oh and Superman was holding massively against Orion in KOTW as he didn't want to hurt anybody and did the same against him in DOTNG.

I see your love extends to all things associated with the S....

I go for Orion. Unless they're in an area with lots of machines, the kryptonian robotics is more vulnerable than cloned flesh.

Astro Force at wide angle should do a number on him.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I see your love extends to all things associated with the S....
Cyborg is a beast.

uhuhOriginally posted by Q99
I go for Orion. Unless they're in an area with lots of machines, the kryptonian robotics is more vulnerable than cloned flesh.

Astro Force at wide angle should do a number on him.
Its opposite actually.

Also he can heal himself as shown when Parallax blew a hole in his chest.

Well in this match, I prefer Orion. He seems more manly. And he can pull that Astro Harness look off. Whereas Hank should think about maybe having a cropped hair look, who is he fooling with that half-head of hair?

Orin is physically superior to Cyborg-Superman, but I think I'd have to give Cy the win with his healing(the Parallax and Doomsday clone examples were impressive), ability to produce weapons for specific foes and that he very well could disable Orion's gear. Cy also should have a speed advantage, but I dunno if he's competent with super speed. I don't think he needs it anyways though.

orion does this:
http://s5d1.turboimagehost.com/t1/19367069_01.jpg http://s5d1.turboimagehost.com/t1/19367071_02.jpg

GAIM OVAH!!!

Henshaw wins...

Orion, hard.

Originally posted by Galan007
orion does this:
http://s5d1.turboimagehost.com/t1/19367069_01.jpg http://s5d1.turboimagehost.com/t1/19367071_02.jpg

GAIM OVAH!!!
Orion isn't strong enough to do that.

Got proof?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Got proof?
Yep, he is weaker than Superman.

How much weaker does he have to be in order to fail at replicating that feat?

I'm weaker than Arnie, but if the feat is lifting 2kg weights, I can replicate it.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
How much weaker does he have to be in order to fail at replicating that feat?

I'm weaker than Arnie, but if the feat is lifting 2kg weights, I can replicate it.
Enough to say he can't punch through Cyborg's body.

Well, you're obv holding back on knowledge I am not privy to.

That Orion isn't as strong as Superman? I thought that was common knowledge. Superman doing something doesn't means Orion can do it.

No, that the stress tolerances of Cyborg Superman's body were beyond Orion's strength levels.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
No, that the stress tolerances of Cyborg Superman's body were beyond Orion's strength levels.
He has taken Superman's punches just fine before. And Eradicator, Hal, Guardians etc. And he can heal pretty much anything orion can do to him.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Orion isn't strong enough to do that.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/6/67877/2412021-countdown2p18.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/6/67877/2412022-countdown2p19.jpg

Yes, but Cyborg has his 'S' forcefield.

Lol.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Orion isn't strong enough to do that. He ripped through Darkseid who is a lot more impressive than Cyborg. That strength feat makes this one look quite inferior. Henshaw better not piss Orion off.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
No, that the stress tolerances of Cyborg Superman's body were beyond Orion's strength levels. especially considering that superman pierced henshaw's body with what looked like fairly minimal effort.

Pre-Reboot Orion was stronger than Superman, only a no holding back Supes could suprass him. Cyborg Superman vs Orion would go 6-7/10 for Orion because he wouldn't hesitate to kill.

Originally posted by Galan007
especially considering that superman pierced henshaw's body with what looked like fairly minimal effort. Yeah, it looked really easy for him. Superman also never showed the strength to rip Darkseid's heart out.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/6/67877/2412021-countdown2p18.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/6/67877/2412022-countdown2p19.jpg
Not his usual appearance. There he was matching Darkseid in strength when there are several examples of Darkseid overpowering him or Orion stating he isn't as strong as Darkseid.Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Pre-Reboot Orion was stronger than Superman, only a no holding back Supes could suprass him. Cyborg Superman vs Orion would go 6-7/10 for Orion because he wouldn't hesitate to kill.
Orion stronger than Superman? In his dreams perhaps. Look what Doomsday did to him or Brainiac did.

Orion.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Not his usual appearance. There he was matching Darkseid in strength when there are several examples of Darkseid overpowering him or Orion stating he isn't as strong as Darkseid.


If Orion can rip out Darkseid's heart from his chest, he can surely rip out Cyborg superman's central node.
That is unless Orion was amped there to match Darkseid's strength.

Originally posted by Diesldude
If Orion can rip out Darkseid's heart from his chest, he can surely rip out Cyborg superman's central node.
That is unless Orion was amped there to match Darkseid's strength.
He was amped there, no doubt about it. There are too many instances of Darkseid manhandling Orion or his equal in strength Kalibak. For example.

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/th_TheLegion029-18.jpg

Or Orion admitting he isn't as strong as Darkseid.

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/th_jkfw-09-10.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/th_jkfw-09-13.jpg

Or Darkseid stating Superman rivals him in strength while Orion gets on that level because of his savagery.

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/th_Scangstas-DOTNG2-p18.jpg

And Superman has knowledge about Cyborg's body structure, Orion doesn't. Its very doubtful he is going after his central node which frankly doesn't makes any sense at all.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Not his usual appearance. There he was matching Darkseid in strength when there are several examples of Darkseid overpowering him or Orion stating he isn't as strong as Darkseid.
Orion stronger than Superman? In his dreams perhaps. Look what Doomsday did to him or Brainiac did.

In a way Orion has dynamic strength too. Like Hulk or Thor. So imho he starts out stronger and can match Superman for a long time before Superman reaches the level where few can follow him.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
In a way Orion has dynamic strength too. Like Hulk or Thor. So imho he starts out stronger and can match Superman for a long time before Superman reaches the level where few can follow him.
No, he doesn't. Even Byrne Superman was deemed stronger than Orion/Kalibak. Orion can hang with Superman due to his sheer savagery but he is certainly weaker than Superman. Like here, Brainiac oneshots Orion/Lightray with telekinesis.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16388362/ActionComics705p22.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16382814/ManOfSteel40p02.jpg.html

Then he merges with a portion of his power which was used to create a mental creation of Superman's exact double (it was tested to be superman's equal repeatedly and even went toe to toe with superman) to be even more powerful.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16392533/AdventuresOfSuperman519p04.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16392534/AdventuresOfSuperman519p05.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16392535/AdventuresOfSuperman519p06.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16392536/AdventuresOfSuperman519p07.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16391650/AdventuresOfSuperman519p11.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16391651/AdventuresOfSuperman519p12.jpg.html

Superman straight up beats the shit out of him and overpowers him.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16391652/AdventuresOfSuperman519p13.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16391653/AdventuresOfSuperman519p14.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16391654/AdventuresOfSuperman519p15.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16391655/AdventuresOfSuperman519p16.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16391657/AdventuresOfSuperman519p17.jpg.html

Dynamic strength.

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/Scangstas-DOTNG2-p15.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/Scangstas-DOTNG2-p16.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/Scangstas-DOTNG2-p18.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/Scangstas-DOTNG2-p19.jpg

Man, if anyone who reads this fight believes it was meant to show inferiority on Orion's part in comparison to Superman, they have terrible reading comprehension.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Or Darkseid stating Superman rivals him in strength while Orion gets on that level because of his savagery.

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/th_Scangstas-DOTNG2-p18.jpg

It doesn't say that.

Edit.. the scan is too big.. LOL..

You have some good scans there abhi.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/Scangstas-DOTNG2-p15.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/Scangstas-DOTNG2-p16.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/Scangstas-DOTNG2-p18.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/Scangstas-DOTNG2-p19.jpg

Man, if anyone who reads this fight believes it was meant to show inferiority on Orion's part in comparison to Superman, they have terrible reading comprehension.
Reading narration helps. Darkseid compared Superman to himself and stated Orion has infinite rage and we know Darkseid is stronger than Orion. Also Superman's punches were tossing Orion around, Superman took Orion's punch flush to the chin and wasn't even moved.




Also under the same writer Superman dominated an amped Infinity Man, someone who is conclusively stronger than Orion.

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/th_DeathOfTheNewGods07b.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/th_DeathOfTheNewGods07c.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/th_DeathOfTheNewGods07d.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/th_DeathOfTheNewGods07e.jpg

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/im_powerstrength1.jpg

So pardon me your idiocy.

All these scans.....none of which convince me that Orion is top weak to just rip his heart out.

That he's weaker than Superman, sure. Don't worry Anhi your precious hero is still top dog.

But like I said, just because Arnie is way stronger than me, doesn't mean we both can't lift a 2kg weight.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
All these scans.....none of which convince me that Orion is top weak to just rip his heart out.

That he's weaker than Superman, sure. Don't worry Anhi your precious hero is still top dog.

But like I said, just because Arnie is way stronger than me, doesn't mean we both can't lift a 2kg weight.
Cyborg is as strong as Byrne Superman having his DNA. Can Orion rip Byrne Superman's heart out? I doubt it.

Is he asDURABLE as Byrne Superman?

Sure he is. Here superman says that his metal parts are invulnerable and his flesh mimics his own.

http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/villains/ManOfSteel052j.jpg

So if they're invulnerable...how is Superman later able to casually, CASUALLY, mid sentence, just reach in and rip his module out? Can't be THAT invulnerable.

I understand if Superman was struggling, or at least, putting some effort into it. Not to mention, in the scan you posted, that's a hugely amped Kryptonite -X Superman, no?

Orion.

Hank is tough, but his biggest draw is his ability to resurrect from scratch(IMO) Superman being Superman he owned the shit out of Hank(not the first time mind you) and happened to grab some core or whatever.the.**** that was.

Would Orion know what to tear off? Who knows. I think he could certainly punch through though.

Such a shitty showing for hank though, LOL. Poor poor Hank. That arc was so shitty. Which kind of sucks because the build up was legit.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So if they're invulnerable...how is Superman later able to casually, CASUALLY, mid sentence, just reach in and rip his module out? Can't be THAT invulnerable.

I understand if Superman was struggling, or at least, putting some effort into it. Not to mention, in the scan you posted, that's a hugely amped Kryptonite -X Superman, no?
He is superman, he does shit like that regularly. He has punched through hank's body before.

http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Speed/combat/superman082a.jpg

Can't see Orion doing the same, just pages before that all out Eradicator couldn't much to hank.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16777832/lastsonvscyborg_1.JPG.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16777833/lastsonvscyborg_2.JPG.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16777834/lastsonvscyborg_3.JPG.html

No, its from Trial of Superman which was long after Kryptonite-X story.

So.....either Superman was talking crap (i.e. for a reporter, he has no idea what the word 'invulnerable' means) OR it was hyperbole?

Eradicator and his BS lol. Kryptonite passing through him translated into repowering Superman. Hm. Does kryptonite weaken Hank? I always wondered about that. And this question has nothing to do with this fight/thread. I never quite got it. So like...I just assumed the kryptonite was weakening Hank, and Superman getting the sudden urge/powerup/plot made him capable of doing the shit he did before the K starte effin' up too.

Meh.

On if Orion can punch through Cy, maybe, but his "central node" thing was just bullshit. That contradicts everything about Cy before.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Eradicator and his BS lol. Kryptonite passing through him translated into repowering Superman. Hm. Does kryptonite weaken Hank? I always wondered about that. And this question has nothing to do with this fight/thread. I never quite got it. So like...I just assumed the kryptonite was weakening Hank, and Superman getting the sudden urge/powerup/plot made him capable of doing the shit he did before the K starte effin' up too.

Meh.

Eradicator is a powerful matter and energy manipulator. Him "filtering" it or "altering" it or whatever so it powered and re-energized Superman isn't really out of the realm of possibility if he's changing the energy(whether the radiation directly or transmuting the Kryptonite matter).

And I have no idea if they've touched on Kryptonite effecting Hank or not. Logically it would since his biological parts are just a clone of Superman, but I can't remember them ever actually going there. I haven't read all his appearances, but I think I've read a good chunk of them.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So.....either Superman was talking crap (i.e. for a reporter, he has no idea what the word 'invulnerable' means) OR it was hyperbole?
Does it matter? You asked if he is as durable as Byrne Superman and I posted proof by Superman's own words.Originally posted by Zack Fair
Eradicator and his BS lol. Kryptonite passing through him translated into repowering Superman. Hm. Does kryptonite weaken Hank? I always wondered about that. And this question has nothing to do with this fight/thread. I never quite got it. So like...I just assumed the kryptonite was weakening Hank, and Superman getting the sudden urge/powerup/plot made him capable of doing the shit he did before the K starte effin' up too.

Meh.
It started weakening his biological parts but Superman punched through his metal side.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Does it matter? You asked if he is as durable as Byrne Superman and I posted proof by Superman's own words.
It started weakening his biological parts but Superman punched through his metal side.

Yes, it does, because all you've posted is proof that Superman doesn't know what the word invulnerable means.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yes, it does, because all you've posted is proof that Superman doesn't know what the word invulnerable means.

Or.....the word is relative. huhu

Lol. So Henshaw USED to be 'invulnerable', but now that he had a new body (so more recent depictions), this new body is more....vulnerable?

After all, he is constantly building new bodies dependent on the materials at hand.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yes, it does, because all you've posted is proof that Superman doesn't know what the word invulnerable means.
facepalm

What?

Do YOU know what invulnerable means?

Thought I'd point-out in COUNTDOWN when Orion rips-out Darkseid's heart, he previously brought-up the whole son will kill the father thing, and said Darkseid's own heart was "fire-pit enough to fulfill the prophecy!!" It could be Orin talking shit, but looked to me like it was Orion accomplishing it because he was destined to kill Darkseid. Whether he was amped(he was stalemating Darksied in a strength lock) due to something related to the prophecy or it was similar to Drax ripping-out Thanos' heart, it just doesn't feel like that would apply to a fight with anybody BUT Darkseid.

Originally posted by Delta1938
Thought I'd point-out in COUNTDOWN when Orion rips-out Darkseid's heart, he previously brought-up the whole son will kill the father thing, and said Darkseid's own heart was "fire-pit enough to fulfill the prophecy!!" It could be Orin talking shit, but looked to me like it was Orion accomplishing it because he was destined to kill Darkseid. Whether he was amped(he was stalemating Darksied in a strength lock) due to something related to the prophecy or it was similar to Drax ripping-out Thanos' heart, it just doesn't feel like that would apply to a fight with anybody BUT Darkseid.
I'd say it was definitely reminiscent of the Drax/Thanos incident.

Under normal circumstances, I would expect Superman to one-shot Orion 10 out of 10 times in a forum fight. Don't see why the same can't be said of Cyborg Superman.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
What?

Do YOU know what invulnerable means?
Nobody is totally invulnerable. Its all relative.

It'll be worse once Hank takes control of the Asstro Harness (not a typo).

Originally posted by Epicurus
I'd say it was definitely reminiscent of the Drax/Thanos incident.

Under normal circumstances, I would expect Superman to one-shot Orion 10 out of 10 times in a forum fight. Don't see why the same can't be said of Cyborg Superman.
Wut? I don't think Superman can oneshot Orion under normal circumstances. Sure he did it once but that's not his average against Orion. This is going to be a good fight but I favor Hank 6/10.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Nobody is totally invulnerable. Its all relative.

So....your scan didn't show much, lol. Which brings me back to the original point.

Are the stress tolerances of Hank's body beyond what Orion can dish out, considering the casual nature of Superman's chest punching?

Originally posted by Epicurus
I'd say it was definitely reminiscent of the Drax/Thanos incident.

Under normal circumstances, I would expect Superman to one-shot Orion 10 out of 10 times in a forum fight. Don't see why the same can't be said of Cyborg Superman.

huh What makes you think Superman would one-shot Orion every single time?

And Cy generally isn't as strong as Superman or as formidable in hand-to-hand combat(unless it's his Sinestro Corps days and he's amping with all those Power Rings). He tends to make-up for it with his body morphing to make weapons and his technopathy. I could so see him creating a weapon specifically attuned to Orion to one-shot him, possibly even altering his heat vision to hurt Orion(he has done shit like that, although the only time I can think of off the top of my head was Superman-Blue, so might not be the same for physical beings), but not sure if I'd see Cy one-shotting Orion through pure strength.

Originally posted by Delta1938
huh What makes you think Superman would one-shot Orion every single time?

And Cy generally isn't as strong as Superman or as formidable in hand-to-hand combat(unless it's his Sinestro Corps days and he's amping with all those Power Rings). He tends to make-up for it with his body morphing to make weapons and his technopathy. I could so see him creating a weapon specifically attuned to Orion to one-shot him, possibly even altering his heat vision to hurt Orion(he has done shit like that, although the only time I can think of off the top of my head was Superman-Blue, so might not be the same for physical beings), but not sure if I'd see Cy one-shotting Orion through pure strength.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Wut? I don't think Superman can oneshot Orion under normal circumstances. Sure he did it once but that's not his average against Orion. This is going to be a good fight but I favor Hank 6/10.
Because of the numerous instances where Superman has come across as being either directly or indirectly superior to him. Under forum fight conditions, I would clearly give Superman 10/10 win against Orion. Opinions vary.

Anyways, me giving Hank the definitive edge against Orion has less to do with the near Superman-level physicality and more to do with(as Delta1938 pointed out) with his more exotic abilities specifically the technopathy.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So....your scan didn't show much, lol. Which brings me back to the original point.

Are the stress tolerances of Hank's body beyond what Orion can dish out, considering the casual nature of Superman's chest punching?
Because as Superman says Hank's skin mimics his own skin. Can orion punch through kryptonian durability? I don't think so.Originally posted by Epicurus
Because of the numerous instances where Superman has come across as being either directly or indirectly superior to him. Under forum fight conditions, I would clearly give Superman 10/10 win against Orion. Opinions vary.

Anyways, me giving Hank the definitive edge against Orion has less to do with the near Superman-level physicality and more to do with(as Delta1938 pointed out) with his more exotic abilities specifically the technopathy.
Ok.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Because as Superman says Hank's skin mimics his own skin. Can orion punch through kryptonian durability? I don't think so.
Ok.

Except his chest isn't covered by skin? Even if it was, there are sides which aren't?

Originally posted by Epicurus
Because of the numerous instances where Superman has come across as being either directly or indirectly superior to him. Under forum fight conditions, I would clearly give Superman 10/10 win against Orion. Opinions vary.

Anyways, me giving Hank the definitive edge against Orion has less to do with the near Superman-level physicality and more to do with(as Delta1938 pointed out) with his more exotic abilities specifically the technopathy.

Yeah, Superman is physically superior to Orion, but Orion seems to be closer to being called Superman's physical equal than anybody else. I guess if Superman went all-out every single time, Superman would one-shot for at least the majority. 10/10 if he used his speed(whether just to hit Orion before he could react, or to amp his striking power as well). But the actual rule of "to the best of their ability" or however it is is contradictory and confusing considering the arguments not just posters but mods have made about "that's not how they normally fight" and "that's not their average." So, eh. srug

And your--

Originally posted by Epicurus
Under normal circumstances, I would expect Superman to one-shot Orion 10 out of 10 times in a forum fight. Don't see why the same can't be said of Cyborg Superman.

--statement REALLY looks like you were arguing Cy on strength. But yeah, Cy is at the least strong enough to hang and his other powers should give him the edge. Disabling the Astro-Force Harness isn't the only thing he could do, he could actually have it attack Orion and entangle him before blowing-up. I wouldn't be shocked if Cy took-over Orion's Mother Box either.

On a side note I previously would've given Orion the majority in a pure hand-to-hand fight, but after seeing Cy's healing against classic Hal Parallax blasting holes in his chest, I'm not sure I would.

the bottom line here is that orion is undoubtedly capable of duplicating a strength feat that superman was able to preform easily.

superman is stronger than orion, but not THAT much stronger.

Originally posted by Delta1938
And your--



--statement REALLY looks like you were arguing Cy on strength. But yeah, Cy is at the least strong enough to hang and his other powers should give him the edge. Disabling the Astro-Force Harness isn't the only thing he could do, he could actually have it attack Orion and entangle him before blowing-up. I wouldn't be shocked if Cy took-over Orion's Mother Box either.

On a side note I previously would've given Orion the majority in a pure hand-to-hand fight, but after seeing Cy's healing against classic Hal Parallax blasting holes in his chest, I'm not sure I would.
I don't see that how that can be the case. I mentioned that I would give Superman a clear cut 10/10 majority against Orion, and the same should apparently be true of Henshaw imo. That's not me conflating their victories purely via strength.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Wut? I don't think Superman can oneshot Orion under normal circumstances. Sure he did it once but that's not his average against Orion. This is going to be a good fight but I favor Hank 6/10.
I still say Orion, but I can live with a 6/10...

When did Supes oneshot Orion? All I've seen is orion oneshotting Superman with the AF.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
When did Supes oneshot Orion? All I've seen is orion oneshotting Superman with the AF.
http://i.imgur.com/FGFWtqz.jpg

Then Superman spends some time fighting Lightray and Orion comes back.

http://i.imgur.com/dtEs2eR.jpg

"Orion's back in the game." Meaning he was out for some time.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So if they're invulnerable...how is Superman later able to casually, CASUALLY, mid sentence, just reach in and rip his module out? Can't be THAT invulnerable. That is the worst showing in Cyborg Superman's history - and one that doesn't even make sense. Cyborg Superman never had a central module, and considering the events and fights he's been through, and how thorough his body has been destroyed at times, he can't have one.

Originally posted by abhilegend
http://i.imgur.com/FGFWtqz.jpg

Then Superman spends some time fighting Lightray and Orion comes back.

http://i.imgur.com/dtEs2eR.jpg

"Orion's back in the game." Meaning he was out for some time.

It's all possible he wasn't KO'ed but hit so far away from his Astro Harness took sometime to get back as he can't fly.

Delta's sig is giving me a seizure.

Originally posted by Galan007
i should really do an orion respect thread.

Originally posted by -K-M-
It's all possible he wasn't KO'ed but hit so far away from his Astro Harness took sometime to get back as he can't fly.
Yeah, its possible. But "back in the game" means he was out of it for some time and Orion can call his harness with a thought.Originally posted by Galan007
well as that scene showed us: he does have one. deel wif et.



that's why superman said: "i have to get away from that maniac" after he'd already knocked orion away. if that one punch were enough to KO orion, supes wouldn't have still been concerned about putting distance between them, imo.

i should really do an orion respect thread.
That's what he said when he blew up Orion with that reactor too just one page later. And we know that Orion was KTFO at that point. Superman was overwhelmed and was constantly hiding from everyone.

Originally posted by Galan007
well as that scene showed us: he does have one. deel wif et.
http://i.imgur.com/QKbckM8.gif

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Delta's sig is giving me a seizure.
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8ert34tC31qg39ewo1_500.gif

Originally posted by Galan007
well as that scene showed us: he does have one. deel wif et.



that's why superman said: "i have to get away from that maniac" after he'd already knocked orion away. if that one punch were enough to KO orion, supes wouldn't have still been concerned about putting distance between them, imo.

i should really do an orion respect thread.
Do eet!!!

Originally posted by Galan007
i should really do an orion respect thread.

i used to have a ton of orion scans for just that purpose. but doing respect threads is a lot of f'n work. lol i still have lord knows how many sandman scans because one of these days i'll do a morpheus respect thread, or revamp the current one....one day....

oh, and i'd take borg, but only for a small majority.