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This is the show Heroes. Peter and Sykar take on Earth hero's (we always use the latest versions of each character).

Who wins?

Peter and Sylar are at full power. This is during the time both had complete control of their powers.

Team 2 stomps.

I don't know. Didn't Sylar and Peter eventually have the power to stop time?

The most powerful weapon they have is lighting which is not going to do a thing against either of them

We are talking about Thor and Superman here

This is not even a threat to them.

Can't stop time without a head

If superman wasn't so fast team 1 would have a chance.

It really depends on which version of Heroes this is. As several versions of Peter can manip time and set off nukes.

Originally posted by Supra
The most powerful weapon they have is lighting which is not going to do a thing against either of them

We are talking about Thor and Superman here

This is not even a threat to them.

No, they can set off nukes, transmutation, etc, etc...

Originally posted by KingD19
It really depends on which version of Heroes this is. As several versions of Peter can manip time and set off nukes.

This is them at their most powerful. Didn't they gain Super speed at one point (the guy with the knives who combat speed poops on anything Superman has shown outside of flight).

Peter survived blowing up. And against current versions that's all it would take. Peter solo's

Originally posted by Dramatic Gecko
Peter survived blowing up. And against current versions that's all it would take. Peter solo's

No Peter does not solo. Nothing he has hurts Thor. Peter gets a hammer up his ass. Man of Steel takes them into the space as he snaps their necks right off their lifeless bodies.

Your comparing some TV sub mutants to Thor and Superman, they lose.

This belongs in the All versus forum as Peter and Skylar are not form any movie.

Originally posted by Supra
No Peter does not solo. Nothing he has hurts Thor. Peter gets a hammer up his ass.
I know for a fact that mos superman cannot survive a nuke. I do not know about thor. I know he's not strong enough to hold his ground. He'll be thrown back for miles. But will he come flying back a few seconds later? Tell me if he does and I'll agree Thor wins.

Originally posted by Dramatic Gecko
I know for a fact that mos superman cannot survive a nuke. I do not know about thor. I know he's not strong enough to hold his ground. He'll be thrown back for miles. But will he come flying back a few seconds later? Tell me if he does and I'll agree Thor wins.

Nukes, lmao, who's got nukes? Neither one of them is going down, They are brawlers who don't give up, you might want to watch Thor, Thor 2 and Avengers again and watch what hulk can do, then you might wanna go rewatch man of steel.

This is the wrong forum anyways. This goes in All versus, carver you should know that.

Originally posted by Supra
Nukes, lmao, who's got nukes? Neither one of them is going down, They are brawlers who don't give up, you might want to watch Thor, Thor 2 and Avengers again and watch what hulk can do, then you might wanna go rewatch man of steel.

This is the wrong forum anyways. This goes in All versus, carver you should know that.
Syla and peter are both nuclear. And I watched all these films and I'll tell ya. Man of Steel was crappy and Super man was so underpowered easily defeated by nuke. I've seen all the thors too but still unsure about his power. But the way I see it Captain America hit Loki pretty good (didn't do much but still visibly effecting him) and then Loki can do about that same degree of damage to Thor. Seeing that makes me wonder if THor can survive a nuke. If you know tell me and I'll admit that THor will proceed to make Peter and Syla his bitches.

Originally posted by Supra
No Peter does not solo. Nothing he has hurts Thor. Peter gets a hammer up his ass. Man of Steel takes them into the space as he snaps their necks right off their lifeless bodies.

Your comparing some TV sub mutants to Thor and Superman, they lose.

This belongs in the All versus forum as Peter and Skylar are not form any movie.

Neither Superman nor Thor can do anything if time stops for them. Superman may have superspeed but this is MOS if I'm correct, and he's not faster than the speed of thought which is what either Sylar or Peter needs to stop time.

Yeah, they can stop time. Set off nukes, high level electrocution, transmutation, a few powers that are iffy like causing things to melt or people to shatter, ice manipulation, and super speed. At their most powerful, it's the Heroes fight to lose.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Neither Superman nor Thor can do anything if time stops for them. Superman may have superspeed but this is MOS if I'm correct, and he's not faster than the speed of thought which is what either Sylar or Peter needs to stop time. Originally posted by KingD19
Yeah, they can stop time. Set off nukes, high level electrocution, transmutation, a few powers that are iffy like causing things to melt or people to shatter, ice manipulation, and super speed. At their most powerful, it's the Heroes fight to lose.

Cut it out with the Time Stop, its getting old, if thats your only argument to the win its lame.

Other then time control, they lost hard.

Originally posted by FrothByte
and he's not faster than the speed of thought He's much faster than the speed of thought.

The average fully formed talk takes between .35-.5 seconds to form.

In that time someone going the speed of sound can move 191 meters.

Superman is hundreds of times the speed of sound.

That said I know dick all about Heroes so hey.

Originally posted by Supra
Cut it out with the Time Stop, its getting old, if thats your only argument to the win its lame.

Other then time control, they lost hard.

So you believe Superman and Thor can shrug off full force Nukes that are powerful enough to destroy cities? And lol at cut it out. It's a valid tactic and one they use all the time plus is highly effective. That'd be like me saying, "Cut it out with Thor using Mjolnir. That's stupid."

And as fast as Superman is, he won't speedblitz from the beginning, and the time stop comes with teleportation as well.

Originally posted by KingD19
So you believe Superman and Thor can shrug off full force Nukes that are powerful enough to destroy cities? And lol at cut it out. It's a valid tactic and one they use all the time plus is highly effective. That'd be like me saying, "Cut it out with Thor using Mjolnir. That's stupid."

And as fast as Superman is, he won't speedblitz from the beginning, and the time stop comes with teleportation as well.

How is their teleporting going to save them except them running away.

Man of Steel and Thor utterly wrecks them, have you lost your mind dude?

Originally posted by Supra
How is their teleporting going to save them except them running away.

Man of Steel and Thor utterly wrecks them, have you lost your mind dude?

Teleporting around the battlefield means that even Superman won't be able to keep up with them if they're smart about it. As fast as he is, instantaneous is faster.

And like I said, Time Stop/Nuke. It's an easy combo that will work.

Originally posted by KingD19
Teleporting around the battlefield means that even Superman won't be able to keep up with them if they're smart about it. As fast as he is, instantaneous is faster.

And like I said, Time Stop/Nuke. It's an easy combo that will work.

Your exaggerating that teleportation, its not a quick combat teleport and you know that. They never fought anyone like Thor or Superman, they fought weaker mutants, Hulk and Thor fought and Kal-El fought his superiors in numbers.

Peter at his best has at least blur level speed and is possibly faster if he interacted with Zoe.(Who herself is so fast that people stand still in her perception)

And with Peter and Sylar it is quick combat teleportation. They do it easily and with much more skill than Hiro. However, it isn't necessary to be quick combat teleportation. They'd stop time as soon as the fight starts. That's pretty much all they did when they had that power. And with both Supes and THor frozen, they're free to experiment on what works and what doesn't.

If it wasn't these two, and if they didn't have the combo of powers they did, there's no way I'd go for them, but they're a bad matchup.

Originally posted by KingD19
Peter at his best has at least blur level speed and is possibly faster if he interacted with Zoe.(Who herself is so fast that people stand still in her perception)

And with Peter and Sylar it is quick combat teleportation. They do it easily and with much more skill than Hiro. However, it isn't necessary to be quick combat teleportation. They'd stop time as soon as the fight starts. That's pretty much all they did when they had that power. And with both Supes and THor frozen, they're free to experiment on what works and what doesn't.

If it wasn't these two, and if they didn't have the combo of powers they did, there's no way I'd go for them, but they're a bad matchup.

Heimdel broke through freezing with little problems, Man of Steel and Thor would have zero problems with freezing. Lex Luthor tried to freeze Superman and he laughed at it.

I don't mean with ice. I mean frozen in time. Something neither of them have defense against.

What a lame thread. But your eyes magnificence.

Hey guys these guys can freeze time a kill superman and thor!

Without time freeze they lose hard.

I just said that. Without time freeze they lose. But they have it, and you can't change that, so stop whining about it and debate.

Do they have an answer to being frozen in time and nuked in the face? If so present one please.

Originally posted by KingD19
I just said that. Without time freeze they lose. But they have it, and you can't change that, so stop whining about it and debate.

Do they have an answer to being frozen in time and nuked in the face? If so present one please.

Its a spite thread then and I had no clue they could freeze time until it was brought up. No they cant win if time is frozen. I'm done talking about this, its a pointless thread in the wrong forum.

I didn't make the thread, but it would have been a spite thread either way. Either the aliens would be too strong, or the Heroes would have unfair powers.

And it's really the nukes that allow them to win. 2 nukes going off in your face at the same time will kill both of them.

And don't be childish. You've made spite threads before, everybody has.

Originally posted by KingD19
I didn't make the thread, but it would have been a spite thread either way. Either the aliens would be too strong, or the Heroes would have unfair powers.

And it's really the nukes that allow them to win. 2 nukes going off in your face at the same time will kill both of them.

And don't be childish. You've made spite threads before, everybody has.

If I had known it was spite I would not have entertained the post or posted in it. And I don't know what spite threads I have made. I usual try my very best not too, and if it is I request it to be closed after posters tell me its spite.

I'm just saying, it's spite regardless. Would you have done the same if they didn't have all their powers and Thor and Supes were normal? You didn't seem to be claiming spite when you didn't know about the time stop and nukes.

Originally posted by KingD19
I'm just saying, it's spite regardless. Would you have done the same if they didn't have all their powers and Thor and Supes were normal? You didn't seem to be claiming spite when you didn't know about the time stop and nukes.

Im over it.

Peter and Sylar can copy Kal's abilities.

they're both teleporting Precog's too.

Originally posted by marwash22
Peter and Sylar can copy Kal's abilities.

Nope, Kal El is not a mutant. He is an Alien.

They aren't mutants. They're people with powers. And there's nothing that says they can't copy Supe and Thor's power. I'd forgotten all about that.

Considering they showed no limits before.

I could argue it, but I don't feel like it, so whatever.

stop time > hands through brain via phasing.

gg.

Originally posted by KingD19
They aren't mutants. They're people with powers. And there's nothing that says they can't copy Supe and Thor's power. I'd forgotten all about that.

Considering they showed no limits before.

What powers are they going to copy from Thor, they are not worthy.

doesn't matter.

Supes and Thor are gonna get hands through their dome pieces.

Originally posted by marwash22
I could argue it, but I don't feel like it, so whatever.

stop time > hands through brain via phasing.

gg.

Good strategy. Also, your sig has been creeping me out forever. Just wanted to throw that out.



Originally posted by Supra
What powers are they going to copy from Thor, they are not worthy.

Strength enough to go h2h with Hulk? Durability?

THey could similarly copy Clark's powers.

And their worth has nothing to do with copying powers, only wielding Mjolnir.

Originally posted by marwash22
doesn't matter.

Supes and Thor are gonna get hands through their dome pieces.

Yall think they can absorb their powers now, you guys brought it up right? How do they absorb Thors powers since they come from the Hammer and Armor only...

Originally posted by KingD19
Good strategy. Also, your sig has been creeping me out forever. Just wanted to throw that out.





Strength enough to go h2h with Hulk? Durability?

THey could similarly copy Clark's powers.

And their worth has nothing to do with copying powers, only wielding Mjolnir.

Nope Clarks powers come from the Sun. They cannot absorb his powers.

Originally posted by Supra
Heimdel broke through freezing with little problems, Man of Steel and Thor would have zero problems with freezing. Lex Luthor tried to freeze Superman and he laughed at it. 4K0LB9hCa_Q


peep 2:25

Originally posted by Supra
Nope Clarks powers come from the Sun. They cannot absorb his powers. lolwut.

Clark's powers come from his genetics/physiology.

Don't be a Quan, dude. His powers are fueled by the sun, but they are because he's Kryptonian.

Originally posted by Supra
Yall think they can absorb their powers now, you guys brought it up right? How do they absorb Thors powers since they come from the Hammer and Armor only...

His powers don't come from Mjolnir. Otherwise he wouldn't have been able to fight Hulk without it. All Mjolnir does is let him fly and generate lightning.

His powers come from the Sun Marwash. You really want to debate that?

Originally posted by Supra
Yall think they can absorb their powers now, you guys brought it up right? How do they absorb Thors powers since they come from the Hammer and Armor only...

Movie Thor's powers do not come from Mjolnir.

Originally posted by KingD19
His powers don't come from Mjolnir. Otherwise he wouldn't have been able to fight Hulk without it. All Mjolnir does is let him fly and generate lightning.

His powers come from being worthy. Hence he lost them and Mjolnir when he was un worthy.

Have you not seen the movies now?

Originally posted by Silent Master
Movie Thor's powers do not come from Mjolnir.

They come from being worthy including weilding Mjolnir

Originally posted by marwash22
lolwut.

Clark's powers come from his genetics/physiology.

This goes down as the worlds stupidest post, hey guys Kal-El's powers now do not come from the sun.

facepalm

Superman's powers come from his body being a solar battery. Peter and Sylar can copy the part of Superman's dna that allows his body to absorb and convert solar energy.

genetics is what the entire premise of the show is based on.

Originally posted by marwash22
facepalm

Superman's powers come from his body being a solar battery. Peter and Sylar can copy the part of Superman's dna that allows his body to absorb and convert solar energy.

His powers come from the sun, Lets make a new thread on the right topic then and see who agrees with your claim

lol. if you wanna embarrass yourself, go right ahead.

it would be less painful for you to simply open up a wiki page in a new tab tho.

how can someone who clearly likes a character so much not know the first thing about how his abilities work?

Originally posted by Supra
They come from being worthy including weilding Mjolnir

No they don't, or did you forget that Thor had those powers before Odin placed the enchantment on Mjolnir? Being worthy only allowed him to regain his natural abilities.

Originally posted by Silent Master
No they don't, or did you forget that Thor had those powers before Odin placed the enchantment on Mjolnir? Being worthy only allowed him to regain his natural abilities.

Quit confusing comic book feats vs movie feats. He lost his power and regained them by being worthy.

Odin being the most powerful Asgardian in existence stripped Thor of everything. He even said so when he did it. He wanted him to see how hard life was. Thor had his powers before when he was born.


And like Marwash says, Clark's powers are genetic. Kryptonians naturally become god-like when exposed to yellow sun radiation. And are normal in red sun radiation. It's not the sun that gives him his powers, the sun is just an energy source. A wall charger doesn't make a phone work. It just charges it so it can work.

soooooooooooooooo, Supra, you agree that Peter and Sylar win this fight, correct?

Originally posted by KingD19
A wall charger doesn't make a phone work. It just charges it so it can work. lol, great analogy.

Hahaha. I literally just looked over at my phone.

Originally posted by Supra
Quit confusing comic book feats vs movie feats. He lost his power and regained them by being worthy.

Key words, his powers

Originally posted by Supra
Quit confusing comic book feats vs movie feats. He lost his power and regained them by being worthy.
He was talking about movie Odin, you silly goose. Did you not even watch Thor?

Originally posted by Supra
Quit confusing comic book feats vs movie feats. He lost his power and regained them by being worthy.

The powers were Thor's, Odin just removed them via magic and then placed an enchantment on Mjolnir so that Thor could get them back if he changed.

You keep forgetting that Thor had the powers long before Odin placed that enchantment.

Originally posted by Supra
Nope Clarks powers come from the Sun. They cannot absorb his powers.

Originally posted by Supra
This goes down as the worlds stupidest post

Sylar not needed. Peter's relevant powers:

1. Time Travel / Time Stop
2. Teleportation
3. Flight
4. Super Speed
5. Phasing as evasive and offensive weapon
6. Kamikaze Nuke
7. Power Mimicry
8. Telepathy

Peter cannot lose.

yeah, Peter could just make Supes and Thor fight each other.


Peter and Sylar have a bunch of ways to win.

Here's a fun one...

stop time > turn Thor and Supes into Gold > Disintegrates life-sized golden Thor and Superman statues.

It's not even Kamikaze at this point. They can consciously blow up and not be hurt. And Costa Verde shows how big of an explosion they can make. 200,000 people dead.

i forget, did Peter ever acquire Haitians negation power?

He was exposed to them, but never showed them off. But this version should be able to use them.

Originally posted by marwash22
i forget, did Peter ever acquire Haitians negation power?

I don't think that would be possible (logically speaking). Because his own mimicry power would be blocked when in proximity. But maybe the Haitian's power needs to be exerted to be active? If so, Peter could just walk near by while he is asleep/unconscious.

Now did Peter ever get the puppet master's powers? That would be another power that could solo by itself.

You know that show was pretty decent.

Haitian has to activate his powers for them to work.

And he can do more than just negate powers. He can erase memories and make people fall unconscious.

Yeah but the sun's here, so the Haitian would be useless.

Originally posted by Placidity


Now did Peter ever get the puppet master's powers? That would be another power that could solo by itself.

puppet master's powers were awesome, but iirc, they could be overpowered. I don't think he was able to hold Sylar for very long.

now that i think about it, Haitian had trouble holding Arthur due to the vast assortment of powers he had. Though, i suppose if you applied it to Superman, you'd only be suppressing one ability. hard to say.

Originally posted by Placidity


You know that show was pretty decent. yah, even when it got bad, it was still pretty good; it was the closest thing to a live action X-Men series we've had since "Mutant X", which wasn't bad either.

Originally posted by Supra
His powers come from being worthy. Hence he lost them and Mjolnir when he was un worthy.

Have you not seen the movies now?

He lost his powers because Odin removed them. Thor doesn't have some sort of enchantment that makes him lose his powers everytime he's not worthy. lol. Odin took away his powers, and gave him a test of being worthy before he could get it back. It was a one-time deal.

WTF is going on in this thread?

http://i.imgur.com/9JO91ta.gif

so im guessing movie supes and thor aren't equal to comic sentry?

Now THAT came out of nowhere...

Originally posted by maxivitopowe
so im guessing movie supes and thor aren't equal to comic sentry?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Now THAT came out of nowhere... Originally posted by carver9

Sylar & Peter vs Sentry

Comic book characters versus movie characters is always bad. Especially Herald level characters. When you have comic low Heralds like Terrax surviving in black holes while weakened and destroying planets, that alone should tell you how bad of an idea it is. When you have low Heralds like Binary destroying suns, that again should tell you it's a bad idea. Don't make threads like that because when it comes to high showings, movies always lose.

Great attempt at promoting your thread.

I'm not gonna bite.

Originally posted by carver9
Comic book characters versus movie characters is always bad. Especially Herald level characters. When you have comic low Heralds like Terrax surviving in black holes while weakened and destroying planets, that alone should tell you how bad of an idea it is. When you have low Heralds like Binary destroying suns, that again should tell you it's a bad idea. Don't make threads like that because when it comes to high showings, movies always lose.

In addition, Sylar/Peter are limited to their Season 1 iterations.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
In addition, Sylar/Peter are limited to their Season 1 iterations.

Not just season 1 but the entire seasons.

Sylar and Peter ftw.

I'm however interested in which Superman we are using.

Latest movie Superman.

Cool, thanks Carver. I stand by my previous statement then.

Originally posted by marwash22
facepalm

Superman's powers come from his body being a solar battery. Peter and Sylar can copy the part of Superman's dna that allows his body to absorb and convert solar energy.

genetics is what the entire premise of the show is based on.

^This.

So you're telling me... Pete will become as strong as Superman when they meet? PETER SWEEPS!!!

Peter can stop time and turn them into icicles, or have Sylar turn them into gold. If that doesn't work, Peter and Sylar can go double-nuclear as a last resort. This is considering of course that they can tag Superman/Thor before they speedblitz.

neither Thor or Superman are faster than thought.

this thread is dead.

Originally posted by marwash22
neither Thor or Superman are faster than thought.

this thread is dead. You don't even know how fast thought is.

Superman is definitely faster than thought. Thor may or may not be, considering how fast his hammer flew in the second movie.

i know it's faster than Kal or Thor moved in their respective movies.

so yeah, unless they start the fight arms length from each other, the gap is not being closed before Sylar and/or Peter and stop time.

the thread is dead, Neme, and it has a dnr. ahah

Just a nit pick, but Sylar never had chronokinesis

Originally posted by marwash22
i know it's faster than Kal or Thor moved in their respective movies.

so yeah, unless they start the fight arms length from each other, the gap is not being closed before Sylar and/or Peter and stop time.

the thread is dead, Neme, and it has a dnr. ahah Superman could clear over 100 meters in the time it took a man to form a thought assuming he were only the speed of sound.

In reality, he's about, oh hundreds of times faster.

thoughts are ftl, even if you factor in the time it takes to act on those thoughts and reduce it to 1/100 the speed of light, Sylar and Peter can stop time much faster than it takes Superman (who can break the sound barrier) to reach them from across the battlefield. Originally posted by Lestov16
Just a nit pick, but Sylar never had chronokinesis Peter does, and Sylar can copy it from Peter.

also, it only takes one of them to stop time, so it doesn't matter if Sylar has it.

Like I said, it was just a nitpick.

Originally posted by marwash22
thoughts are ftl No they aren't. Why would you even say something so brain-dead stupid?

https://www.science.smith.edu/departments/NeuroSci/courses/bio330/pdf/94CurrBiolTovee.pdf

This is the fastest I've ever seen the speed of thought clocked. Let's used the low end: Twenty milliseconds.

In that time, something going the speed of sound could go a little under seven meters.

Multiply that by a hundred and you still wouldn't have Superman's speed.

Originally posted by marwash22
thoughts are ftl Seriously though, do you actually believe this?

That's physically impossible.

Originally posted by NemeBro
https://www.science.smith.edu/departments/NeuroSci/courses/bio330/pdf/94CurrBiolTovee.pdf

This is the fastest I've ever seen the speed of thought clocked. Let's used the low end: Twenty milliseconds.

In that time, something going the speed of sound could go a little under seven meters.

Multiply that by a hundred and you still wouldn't have Superman's speed.

But can Supes move that fast at the drop of a hat?

His full speed?

Probably not.

Fast enough to clear a distance of ten feet (IIRC the standard starting distance) before they think?

Yes.

Keep in mind that I'm not even saying Superman wins. I know very little about Heroes. I am just debating this specific point because I'm bored.

Well if you did know anything about Heroes you probably would have pointed out by now that none of the characters actually stop time, they just slow it down dramatically. When Hiro runs into someone with superspeed, she can run around at normal pace because of this despite everyone else being statues.

Daphne herself was so fast that people stood still when she moved and she's crossed the world in moments, and when she got her powers boosted, she ran faster than the speed of light and ran through time. She was also temporarily frozen, but she was already in motion and Hiro couldn't fully stop time then. If she's not in motion, she's stuck like everyone else.

Peter however can stop time.

Superman needs to first THINK of an action before doing it. So regardless of how fast he is, he still needs to think first before acting. Peter can stop time as soon as he thinks it. It's instantaneous.

Originally posted by NemeBro
His full speed?

Probably not.

Fast enough to clear a distance of ten feet (IIRC the standard starting distance) before they think?

Yes.

Keep in mind that I'm not even saying Superman wins. I know very little about Heroes. I am just debating this specific point because I'm bored.

The distance isn't 10 ft...much further than that.

There's also the fact that as fast as MoS is, his flight seems to take a while to start. Most of the time he took off, it was at least a few seconds before he was moving. Even when he was fighting Zod.

Also, they can survive a punch from Superman. Also, whats the fastest combat speed Superman shown on panel. Not them flying around, combat speed.

Superman would speed blitz and win. Peter and Sylar would be able to take it if it wasn't for that. I hope nobody forgot about the power peter got from that kid when Hiro got brain cancer. He could give or take life.

It's not in MoS character to speedblitz though. He barely learned how to fly in the movie, and the only person really blitzing was Faora.

Originally posted by BlackZero30x
Superman would speed blitz and win. Peter and Sylar would be able to take it if it wasn't for that. I hope nobody forgot about the power peter got from that kid when Hiro got brain cancer. He could give or take life.

Who did MOS speed blitz?

Originally posted by BlackZero30x
Superman would speed blitz and win.

This is arguable. Not saying it's impossible, but more proof is needed.

Originally posted by BlackZero30x
Peter and Sylar would be able to take it if it wasn't for that. I hope nobody forgot about the power peter got from that kid when Hiro got brain cancer. He could give or take life.

What? What episode was that? I saw all 5 seasons when they aired on TV and I don't recall that episode.

Originally posted by KingD19
Daphne herself was so fast that people stood still when she moved and she's crossed the world in moments, and when she got her powers boosted, she ran faster than the speed of light and ran through time. She was also temporarily frozen, but she was already in motion and Hiro couldn't fully stop time then. If she's not in motion, she's stuck like everyone else.

Peter however can stop time.

When the **** did all that happen? Was that Ando boosting her?

Either way, without a boost shes not as fast as Superman.

Originally posted by Nephthys
When the **** did all that happen? Was that Ando boosting her?

Either way, without a boost shes not as fast as Superman.


Running through time she was boosted by Ando yeah. But she's moved fast enough on her own that people are pretty much frozen in place while she's doing her thing. She's even stated that seconds/minutes are like hours to her.

And while Supes is fast in flight, it takes time to build up that speed. He doesn't just instantly break the sound barrier. And he certainly doesn't fight that fast.

Originally posted by Nephthys
When the **** did all that happen? Was that Ando boosting her?


Yes. IIRC, Hiro was depowered and Ando, Daphne, and Matt used Ando's power boost to time travel.

Originally posted by Lestov16
This is arguable. Not saying it's impossible, but more proof is needed.



What? What episode was that? I saw all 5 seasons when they aired on TV and I don't recall that episode.

all 5?! Im unaware of a 5th season.

It was in season 4 episode 4 im pretty sure. Hiro is in the hospital for a brain tumor So peter and Mr. Bennet goes to find the kid that can grant life but it turns out that he can also take it. He Killed his parents and pets.

I confuse the seasons and the "chapters". My apologies

I must have missed that episode. Just another power Peter has at his advantage. I am still torn about whether a speedblitz will work.

Originally posted by KingD19
It's not in MoS character to speedblitz though. He barely learned how to fly in the movie, and the only person really blitzing was Faora.

I remember his final fight with ZOD was pretty fast but you raise a good point.

Originally posted by Lestov16
I confuse the seasons and the "chapters". My apologies

I must have missed that episode. Just another power Peter has at his advantage. I am still torn about whether a speedblitz will work.

lol its ok. I was just confused. Thought maybe I missed a season.

If Peter could freeze time then no I doubt it would. As mentioned above when Hiro froze time Daphene was still able to move because of her super speed but it just seemed like she was moving normal. If he got the time freeze off that is and as multiple people have reminded me MOS doesn't start a fight like that.

The fact that Foara was speedblitzing is (arguably) proof that a fellow Kryptonian like Supes can do it too.


*And please, no comments about "in character". That's a silly stipulation which only gimps a character.

Originally posted by BlackZero30x
all 5?! Im unaware of a 5th season.

It was in season 4 episode 4 im pretty sure. Hiro is in the hospital for a brain tumor So peter and Mr. Bennet goes to find the kid that can grant life but it turns out that he can also take it. He Killed his parents and pets.

I hate that episode...pretty sad. The kid end up getting killed because people feared him. They tied him to a truck and drove around with him.

Originally posted by BlackZero30x
lol its ok. I was just confused. Thought maybe I missed a season.

If Peter could freeze time then no I doubt it would. As mentioned above when Hiro froze time Daphene was still able to move because of her super speed but it just seemed like she was moving normal. If he got the time freeze off first that is but as Mutiple people have reminded me MOS doesn't start a fight like that.

Lol...Superman doesn't move close to her speed though. She was running across continents in no time. There is a different between combat speed and flight speed. At one point, didn't she run through time (with a lil help from hero).

Isn't that the episode where Sullivan sinks an entire police precinct in revenge for the lynching?

Originally posted by Lestov16
Isn't that the episode where Sullivan sinks an entire police precinct in revenge for the lynching?

Yeah, not the police station, he sunk the city.

Peter/Sylar win.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...Superman doesn't move close to her speed though. She was running across continents in no time. There is a different between combat speed and flight speed. At one point, didn't she run through time (with a lil help from hero).


Yeah that EP was sad.

Assuming Sups could move that fast, they would both be moving at "normal" speed and superman no longer has any advantage at all.

EDIT: @Lestov: Yeah Im pretty sure that happens right at the end of the episode.

Originally posted by carver9
Yeah, not the police station, he sunk the city.

Originally posted by BlackZero30x
@Lestov: Yeah Im pretty sure that happens right at the end of the episode.

Thanks. I remember now. I only saw IIRC the last 10 minutes of that episode. That's why I was unaware of the details.

Back to the debate, as I stated before, if Faora can speedblitz, Superman should be able to as well. The outcome depends on if Peter can stop time before Supes can reach him, and an argument can be made for either side. Like I said, I am torn here.

Keep in mind that Faora is a highly trained soldier, and she and Zod and Na-Mek developed their powers much faster and more efficiently than Clark. She blitzed him and had him on the ropes.

Also, when she blitzed those soldiers, they had time to react, just there was nothing they could do.

But Peter can easily stop time without even much effort.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Superman needs to first THINK of an action before doing it. So regardless of how fast he is, he still needs to think first before acting. Peter can stop time as soon as he thinks it. It's instantaneous. You are aware that Superman's several hundred mach speed also comes with superhuman speed of thought and perception, right?

Originally posted by Silent Master
Who did MOS speed blitz? Zod.

Well that sure was hard.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...Superman doesn't move close to her speed though. She was running across continents in no time. There is a different between combat speed and flight speed. At one point, didn't she run through time (with a lil help from hero). You mean like how Superman did the first time he began flying?

He circled near halfway across the globe in a few seconds.

Originally posted by NemeBro
You mean like how Superman did the first time he began flying?

He circled near halfway across the globe in a few seconds.

What part are you talking about and that's flight speed.

This is the stupidest thread in existence.


Time Stop wins, Superman gets his power from the Sun. And thats life.

Originally posted by carver9
What part are you talking about

The part where Superman flies thousands of miles in a few seconds.



And running speed isn't travel speed hurrrrr

Not that it matters simpleton.

Originally posted by NemeBro
The part where Superman flies thousands of miles in a few seconds.



And running speed isn't travel speed hurrrrr

Not that it matters simpleton.

And what part is that?

Running speed is a movement of limbs...flight is flight.

Originally posted by NemeBro
You are aware that Superman's several hundred mach speed also comes with superhuman speed of thought and perception, right?

Uhuh, sure dude. Give me proof of him having super fast thought process and I'll believe it. Until then, there's still a pause between him thinking and actually moving. His super speed is not instantaneous, unlike Peter's time stop.

The term speed bltiz is generally used to describe someone throwing attacks ie punches/kicks at above human level speed...I don't recall MOS Superman ever doing so.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Uhuh, sure dude. Give me proof of him having super fast thought process and I'll believe it. Until then, there's still a pause between him thinking and actually moving. His super speed is not instantaneous, unlike Peter's time stop. He can move and turn and perceive the world around him while moving hundreds of times faster than sound.

Wow that sure was hard.

Originally posted by Silent Master
The term speed bltiz is generally used to describe someone throwing attacks ie punches/kicks at above human level speed...I don't recall MOS Superman ever doing so. Like spearing Zod, pinning him to the ground, and beating the shit out of him at superspeed. This obviously never happened. Lol.

Originally posted by carver9
And what part is that?

Running speed is a movement of limbs...flight is flight. Not doing your work for you Carver.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Like spearing Zod, pinning him to the ground, and beating the shit out of him at superspeed. This obviously never happened. Lol.

If you watch MOS and 'think' whilst watching you'll notice that their not very fast nor very strong as they are hindered by large missiles and struggle to hold up oil rigs.

Reeve Superman however would own this fight as he can move so fast he can turn back time.

Originally posted by NemeBro
He can move and turn and perceive the world around him while moving hundreds of times faster than sound.

Wow that sure was hard.

Show me Superman zig zagging through the streets at high speed and I'll believe you. From what I've seen he was either flying through clear skies or smashing through buildings or running/flying/leaping in straight lines.

Originally posted by Dramatic Gecko
If you watch MOS and 'think' whilst watching you'll notice that their not very fast nor very strong as they are hindered by large missiles and struggle to hold up oil rigs.

Reeve Superman however would own this fight as he can move so fast he can turn back time. Faora was KO'd by a missile because her mask was destroyed.

The oil rig example is more valid, but it occurred before Superman came into his full might.

Originally posted by Silent Master
The term speed bltiz is generally used to describe someone throwing attacks ie punches/kicks at above human level speed...I don't recall MOS Superman ever doing so.

Then you need to re watch the movie cause your wrong.

By all means, post the youtube clips where MOS Superman is throwing superspeed punches/kicks.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Faora was KO'd by a missile because her mask was destroyed.

The oil rig example is more valid, but it occurred before Superman came into his full might.
Ok I'll pay that. But I didn't see anything to make me believe that Superman could conquer peter before he stops time... or Syla (whose will power was strong enough to break the puppet man's hold) uses telekinetic powers. Mos superman seemed only to break the sound barrier. Making him one of the slowest superman's I've seen.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Show me Superman zig zagging through the streets at high speed and I'll believe you. From what I've seen he was either flying through clear skies or smashing through buildings or running/flying/leaping in straight lines.

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We see it all throughout this video, particularly around 20 seconds in or so.