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DS via OE.

Darkseid literally gets destroyed, badly.

Darkseid destroys the featless god. because stomping hulk is a high herald - low trans feat and nothing more.

Originally posted by JuggernautMania
Darkseid destroys the featless god. because stomping hulk is a high herald - low trans feat and nothing more.
For what it's worth he also humiliated a team of Avengers that consisted of : Thor (cursed though), Spectrum, Namor, She-Hulk, and Black Knight.

Originally posted by zopzop
For what it's worth he also humiliated a team of Avengers that consisted of : Thor (cursed though), Spectrum, Namor, She-Hulk, and Black Knight.

funny that you bring that up because that exact team humiliated him and he got physically molested by she hulk and namor. and he fought thor on an even ground for a while thats not a skyfather performance at all.

Zeus

Originally posted by guy222
Zeus Lose

yeah

Originally posted by JuggernautMania
funny that you bring that up because that exact team humiliated him and he got physically molested by she hulk and namor. and he fought thor on an even ground for a while thats not a skyfather performance at all.
True but the fight ended with them unconscious at his feet.
http://s17.postimg.org/ju2j8usjv/2412242_avengers285_10.jpg

Originally posted by zopzop
True but the fight ended with them unconscious at his feet.

of course it should have ended that way i mean they are basically a bunch of low heralds and thor being their strongest guy. most trans levelers would destroy them far easier than zeus did to be honest.

Nice Zeus

weakest god ever is probably Marvel Ares followed by Raiden from Mortal Kombat.

Originally posted by JuggernautMania
Darkseid destroys the featless god. because stomping hulk is a high herald - low trans feat and nothing more.

Lol. Hulk, especially under Pak, would have beaten Darkseid into paste in close combat. And I'm not even trying to be funny or anything. That's how the shit would have gone down. Hulk would have beaten the shit out of him.

I'd also have given Hulk arguably the best odds of any herald for tanking the Omega Effect. That was BEFORE it became a variation of heat vision and very meh.

His Superman is nowhere near his Hulk in terms of power unfortunately (Or I guess fortunately depending on how you look at it). Still an apparent match for Darkseid in might, or will be in the near future. Which I guess says a bit as to how his Hulk/Darkseid fight would look like.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Lol. Hulk, especially under Pak, would have beaten Darkseid into paste.

And I'm not even trying to be funny or anything. That's how the shit would have gone down.

His Superman is nowhere near his Hulk in terms of power unfortunately (Or I guess fortunately depending on how you look at it). Still an apparent match for Darkseid in might, or will be in the future.

thats only your opinion. hulk can never stand to high herald and up who actually use his powers and doesnt go rocky with him.

Zeus

Darkseid, rather easily.

Originally posted by JuggernautMania
thats only your opinion. hulk can never stand to high herald and up who actually use his powers and doesnt go rocky with him.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Darkseid, rather easily.

What's up buddy? How has things been? Been a while since I've seen you online.

Originally posted by JuggernautMania
thats only your opinion. hulk can never stand to high herald and up who actually use his powers and doesnt go rocky with him.

Is this trolling or a joke or something? Hulk is almost certainly the physical strongest being this side of Zeus (And yes, that includes Juggernaut, Darkseid, Orion, Thor, Superman and Wonder Woman).

For sure

Zeus

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Lol. Hulk, especially under Pak, would have beaten Darkseid into paste in close combat. And I'm not even trying to be funny or anything. That's how the shit would have gone down. Hulk would have beaten the shit out of him.

I just could not respond to this one, because I disagree too much with it. But respectfully, even though you are saying you are not kidding I can't believe you.

Come on Pak got DS to casually destroy a couple of planets on his introductory story and on top of that he says that Superman is the only one strong enough to match him physically, then to put a cherry on the top PAK gets power girl saying that she can destroy the earth just by TALKING and Superman being able to handle her. While he got HULK for over 5 years to build him up to world breaker mode and that is his HULK going all out. That right there it tells you his point of view of who will win, so apparently in Pak's eyes Hulk has to reach WB mode in order to bust a planet something that by Pak's writing Darkseid can do casually.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I'd also have given Hulk arguably the best odds of any herald for tanking the Omega Effect. That was BEFORE it became a variation of heat vision and very meh.

His Superman is nowhere near his Hulk in terms of power unfortunately (Or I guess fortunately depending on how you look at it). Still an apparent match for Darkseid in might, or will be in the near future. Which I guess says a bit as to how his Hulk/Darkseid fight would look like.

Nah! Just look at his Superman challenging physically Darkseid and power girl while not even going all out.
When he decides to write Superman all out the same way he wrote Hulk all out, it will look bad for Hulk fans.

In any case Pak's Zeus as shown in the hulk comics vs Pak's DS, I think his DS wins

Zeus beats him to near death worse than DD did

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
I just could not respond to this one, because I disagree too much with it. But respectfully, even though you are saying you are not kidding I can't believe you.

Come on Pak got DS to casually destroy a couple of planets on his introductory story and on top of that he says that Superman is the only one strong enough to match him physically, then to put a cherry on the top PAK gets power girl saying that she can destroy the earth just by TALKING and Superman being able to handle her. While he got HULK for over 5 years to build him up to world breaker mode and that is his HULK going all out. That right there it tells you his point of view of who will win, so apparently in Pak's eyes Hulk has to reach WB mode in order to bust a planet something that by Pak's writing Darkseid can do casually.



Nah! Just look at his Superman challenging physically Darkseid and power girl while not even going all out.
When he decides to write Superman all out the same way he wrote Hulk all out, it will look bad for Hulk fans.

In any case Pak's Zeus as shown in the hulk comics vs Pak's DS, I think his DS wins


All of this is just wrong and Powergirl wasn't even attacking Superman during the moment it was stated she could crack the world. Then they was talking about energy output with Powergirl, had nothing to do with her physically destroying the planet. She was taken out by a freaking boulder, not impressed and Pak wouldn't have had Hulk taken out with something so lightly. Please continue.

Originally posted by carver9
All of this is just wrong and Powergirl wasn't even attacking Superman during the moment it was stated she could crack the world. Please continue.

You see is as easy as having a character building up for 5 years to crack a planet and then having a couple of characters who can do it casually all this under his own writing.

It doesn't take a scientist to know in a universe the dials go up to 11 and is not in Marvel.

But if you believe is the other way, be my guest, it would not be the first time nor the last time that you are wrong my friend.

Lol. The premature wanking here is a bit much.. Did you guys even read that recent issue of Bats/Supers?

There's context involved...

hysterical

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
You see is as easy as having a character building up for 5 years to crack a planet and then having a couple of characters who can do it casually all this under his own writing.

It doesn't take a scientist to know in a universe the dials go up to 11 and is not in Marvel.

Hulk recent fts poops on DCNU Superman fts just like Hyperions AND Thor ft does as well. You bringing up non fts doesn't change this.

I did

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Lol. The premature wanking here is a bit much.. Did you guys even read that recent issue of Bats/Supers?

There's context involved...

hysterical

A lot of context.

But no context in the Darkseid origin. That one has no context at all.

Also my friend don't forget that Hulks feats do also have context.

Just realize that Pak is pitting Superman against "World breakers" so... yeah.

In any case back on topic.

I think DS wins

DS is stronger and has the OE. He wins. It's not hard.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Is this trolling or a joke or something? Hulk is almost certainly the physical strongest being this side of Zeus (And yes, that includes Juggernaut, Darkseid, Orion, Thor, Superman and Wonder Woman).

Physically? he is probably stronger than the high heralds, however someone like darkseid even physically will just pimp slap him. but overall power? he will get destroyed by preety much most high heralds who will use their powers on him without holding back and thats a fact.

Heh, under Pak Zeus got taken out by a ****ing spear to the shoulder.

crylaugh

Zeus top feat is beating Hulk with easy. its a trans level feat.

Originally posted by JuggernautMania
Physically? he is probably stronger than the high heralds, however someone like darkseid even physically will just pimp slap him. but overall power? he will get destroyed by preety much most high heralds who will use their powers on him without holding back and thats a fact.

Who has Darkseid Pimp slapped for you to say this?.

Superman.

Ds will beat Zeus ***** out supes and and punch hulk into the moon. The marvel ass eating is still strong on these forums I see.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman.

After Superman took an attack from Imperiex?

Originally posted by carver9
After Superman took an attack from Imperiex?
Nah, Darkseid just pimpslapped Superman like an insect in Superman Confidential and has overpowered Orion with one hand.

1. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Supermanconfidential08_17.jpg
2. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Supermanconfidential08_18.jpg
3. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Supermanconfidential08_19.jpg
4. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Supermanconfidential08_20.jpg

Originally posted by abhilegend
Nah, Darkseid just pimpslapped Superman like an insect in Superman Confidential and has overpowered Orion with one hand.

Scans?

Originally posted by carver9
Who has Darkseid Pimp slapped for you to say this?.

Superman and thats enough.

Originally posted by JuggernautMania
Superman and thats enough.

A weakened Superman but ok.

Zeus still

Originally posted by JuggernautMania
Zeus top feat is beating Hulk with easy. its a trans level feat. Using nothing but physical force.

zeus is not a ****in brute. what about his actual powers?

also. while he was indeed amped, pat said it was most of zeus power that took down galactus. yes Galactus

Galactus considers zeus a Skyfather in tearms of power.

Originally posted by carver9
Scans?
Just posted. Another pimpslap.

1. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Cosmic_Odyssey_TPB_031.jpg
2. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Cosmic_Odyssey_TPB_032.jpg

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
You see is as easy as having a character building up for 5 years to crack a planet and then having a couple of characters who can do it casually all this under his own writing.

It doesn't take a scientist to know in a universe the dials go up to 11 and is not in Marvel.

But if you believe is the other way, be my guest, it would not be the first time nor the last time that you are wrong my friend. this is frankly obviously intentional ignorance

like one destruction moment is an actual plot driven event, the other an introduction after a reboot. both characters do the same thing but you wanna make one lesser somehow by ignoring simple facts

Originally posted by abhilegend
Just posted. Another pimpslap.

1. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Cosmic_Odyssey_TPB_031.jpg
2. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Cosmic_Odyssey_TPB_032.jpg huh

magic loogie did it

Originally posted by abhilegend
Just posted. Another pimpslap.

1. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Cosmic_Odyssey_TPB_031.jpg
2. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Cosmic_Odyssey_TPB_032.jpg

Superman was ok after the pimp after the pimp slap.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
huh

magic loogie did it
Who?Originally posted by carver9
Superman was ok after the pimp after the pimp slap.
I know right. His durability is ****ing insane. That doesn't means Darkseid's strength is unimpressive somehow. I can't recall many beings who can manhandle Orion with a single hand.

http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/?action=view&current=TheLegion029-18.jpg

For record, Zeus in Warrior Madness was restrained by a weakened Thor and She-Hulk.

http://i.imgur.com/qgdku1S.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/kjaNv1Y.jpg

Zeus is in no way stronger than Darkseid and Darkseid's power feats shit on anything he has done.

Darkseid.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Who? where's the slap? for all you know he could have punched him with a fist that shot out of his dick

Originally posted by psycho gundam
where's the slap? for all you know he could have punched him with a fist that shot out of his dick
Does it really matter? The sequence was to show that Darkseid was above Superman in strength.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Does it really matter? The sequence was to show that Darkseid was above Superman in strength. if "it doesn't matter", then so is orion

http://i59.tinypic.com/rri99i.jpg


http://i61.tinypic.com/6zo7dy.jpg

Oh the lowballing of Darkseid continues

Originally posted by psycho gundam
if "it doesn't matter", then so is orion

http://i59.tinypic.com/rri99i.jpg


http://i61.tinypic.com/6zo7dy.jpg
Orion holding Superman back by both arms behind for a panel means he is stronger? The difference between that and Zeus was that they held him far longer and he was beyond reasoning at that point while Superman immediately listened to Lightray and stopped fighting. But that's just an interpretation, let Darkseid himself tell who is stronger.

http://i.imgur.com/NUN6EXV.jpg

"Not even Orion."

But its not Superman/Orion thread and your poor attempt of baiting is duly noted.

who's bating whom?

all i did was point out how there was no slap to be seen and that restraining someone doesn't mean everything. take from that what you will

Originally posted by psycho gundam
who's bating whom?

all i did was point out how there was no slap to be seen and that restraining someone doesn't mean everything. take from that what you will
You are the one baiting, rather poorly I might add.

Restraining someone who is totally mad and fighting with all he has while someone tells that to hold him is a sign that they overpowered him in strength. What you posted is Superman charging at Darkseid and Orion interrupting him, Hal has done that, Alan physically stopped him once.

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/th_Superman676020.jpg

That doesn't means he was stronger there. Or was he Gundam?

DS is a powerhouse written properly

Originally posted by abhilegend
You are the one baiting, rather poorly I might add.

Restraining someone who is totally mad and fighting with all he has while someone tells that to hold him is a sign that they overpowered him in strength. What you posted is Superman charging at Darkseid and Orion interrupting him, Hal has done that, Alan physically stopped him once.

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/th_Superman676020.jpg

That doesn't means he was stronger there. Or was he Gundam? what is this post attempting to do?

This is my favorite Zeus showing of all though, getting his shit pushed in by some random trolls and dying from the heat of sun.

http://i.imgur.com/l4rqJiL.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/HpBm0Bz.jpg

Originally posted by psycho gundam
what is this post attempting to do?
Just laughing at you?

Darkseid wins. At his best, Darkseid is a cosmic abstract and on average, he's portrayed as being a higher end skyfather.

Originally posted by abhilegend
This is my favorite Zeus showing of all though, getting his shit pushed in by some random trolls and dying from the heat of sun.

http://i.imgur.com/l4rqJiL.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/HpBm0Bz.jpg


Abhi, I don't think that's a "real" showing. It was Thing telling a story to some kids.

If isn't a real showing. I thought ABHI was doing it for the laughs.

Originally posted by zopzop
Abhi, I don't think that's a "real" showing. It was Thing telling a story to some kids.
I don't know about that, Thing doesn't know enough about the greek pantheons. It was never stated that the story was false, y'know.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I don't know about that, Thing doesn't know enough about the greek pantheons. It was never stated that the story was false, y'know.
I think on Comicvine or CBR Forums someone posted the end where it's just Thing "telling tall tales" to a bunch of kids. Adding to that, I don't think this incident is mentioned in Zeus' handbook entry.

Originally posted by zopzop
I think on Comicvine or CBR Forums someone posted the end where it's just Thing "telling tall tales" to a bunch of kids. Adding to that, I don't think this incident is mentioned in Zeus' handbook entry.
He is telling the kids a story in the very same page. But its not like some character hasn't told a story to kids before in comics. We can't just ignore a showing because of that reason unless there are some very outlandish things occurring in the story. Take King Thor's fight with Gardener and repairing of the moon, it was Volstagg telling a story to the kids and its quite true.

Originally posted by abhilegend
He is telling the kids a story in the very same page. But its not like some character hasn't told a story to kids before in comics. We can't just ignore a showing because of that reason unless there are some very outlandish things occurring in the story. Take King Thor's fight with Gardener and repairing of the moon, it was Volstagg telling a story to the kids and its quite true.
Can anyone get their hands on the handbook entry and confirm what they said on CBR/Comicvine (that's it absent from there)?

That would lend more proof to it being a tall tale.

Originally posted by zopzop
Can anyone get their hands on the handbook entry and confirm what they said on CBR/Comicvine (that's it absent from there)?

That would lend more proof to it being a tall tale.
I will wait.

Why not attempt to low ball the hell out of Zeus in order to make Darkseid look better? Wait I think that's happening right now. Let's however not go into the Darkseid scene where he runs from machine gun fire. My guess is that if we can prove that Darkseid could beat Zeus, we can also justify placing Orion, and Superman above him as well. After all, didn't Darkseid lose to both, and from his own words said that Superman was a peer to him in power?

This is just sad...

What are Zeus best showings? What are DS best showings? Are they comparable?
That's how I would look at it.
That's why I say DS wins.

So we're arguing about a character who routinely gets his @ss beaten by Superman of all people versus a sky father? **shakes head**

Originally posted by tkitna
So we're arguing about a character who routinely gets his @ss beaten by Superman of all people versus a sky father? **shakes head** He's only lost to superman like three times. Blatantly ignoring all of Darkseid's regular showings and only counting his lesser showings doesn't make Zeus any closer to winning this fight.

Actually Superman has only beat him once on his own. The second time he had help from Wonder Woman/super girl and he was sun amping.

Skyfather>DS

Well let's all remember, Darkseid not only enslaved the Greek Gods not once, but twice and went across the universe killing and absorbing all the alien gods taking their powers.

Yep

Zeus

I agree

Originally posted by zopzop
Can anyone get their hands on the handbook entry and confirm what they said on CBR/Comicvine (that's it absent from there)?

That would lend more proof to it being a tall tale.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I will wait.

I can confirm that the showing is real/exists, and not just some tale.

So, a 2007 handbook (Olympus' entry) confirms that the 3 beasts/giants did in fact invade Olympus:

http://i.imgur.com/t9UBAIo.jpg?1

Same ones who were featured in Marvel Two-in-one #44:

Y'Androgg:

http://i.imgur.com/wpWZxVM.jpg?1

Manduu:

http://i.imgur.com/usVLv71.jpg?1

Krokarr:

http://i.imgur.com/GVOJGK3.jpg?4

Making it real, without a doubt.

(ive got further confirmation, if zop is gonna try and deny this)

Anyway, this isn't exactly a surprise for someone like Zeus (he isn't that impressive).

Yippee

Superman............Superman...............Superman........... who cares about superman this is not a superman thread,how quickly this turned into a superman thread.

1. get superman outta this ****ing thread.

2. Drakseid vs D.C zeus wins

3. Darkseid vs marvel zeus loses


Just because she-hulk and a weak version of thor heald zeus for a few moments dosent mean they are stronger then he is. Zeus literally destroyed hulk effortlessly...........context folks.

No more Supes references in thread starter thread

Originally posted by zeel
Superman............Superman...............Superman........... who cares about superman this is not a superman thread,how quickly this turned into a superman thread.

1. get superman outta this ****ing thread.

2. Drakseid vs D.C zeus wins

3. Darkseid vs marvel zeus loses


Just because she-hulk and a weak version of thor heald zeus for a few moments dosent mean they are stronger then he is. Zeus literally destroyed hulk effortlessly...........context folks. It was with great effort that Zeus beat Hulk. Effortlessly would be with a gesture or something to that level.
But DS is stronger than that version of Hulk as well.

lmao

Zeus' beard>

Originally posted by Stoic
Why not attempt to low ball the hell out of Zeus in order to make Darkseid look better? Wait I think that's happening right now. Let's however not go into the Darkseid scene where he runs from machine gun fire. My guess is that if we can prove that Darkseid could beat Zeus, we can also justify placing Orion, and Superman above him as well. After all, didn't Darkseid lose to both, and from his own words said that Superman was a peer to him in power?
When did Darkseid ran from machine gun fire? That's not as bad as going down to a spear anyway. Also Darkseid admitted that Superman was his peer in strength. Zeus shat his pants when mindless hulk invaded Olympus and declared Hercules was stronger than him.Originally posted by pym-ftw
This is just sad...
SMH.Originally posted by tkitna
So we're arguing about a character who routinely gets his @ss beaten by Superman of all people versus a sky father? **shakes head**
Heh, this is just sad. Both Darkseid and Highfather are skyfathers since they are the head of their respective pantheons. Skyfather is a title, not a notion of power. What feat Zeus has that can compare to Darkseid creating entire universes, giving enough power to destroy 1/5th of universes, destroying superman in h2h easily, trapping entire LOSH by a gesture, manhandling Orion like a child and destroying entire universe just because he left the timeline to a different time?

Oh wait, just because he's a marvel skyfather he doesn't need feats, right? Ares has punched his teeth out.

http://i44.tinypic.com/33ueiys.jpg

http://i44.tinypic.com/30w2rt3.jpg

That's more embarrasing than anything Superman has done to Darkseid.

Originally posted by zeel
Superman............Superman...............Superman........... who cares about superman this is not a superman thread,how quickly this turned into a superman thread.

1. get superman outta this ****ing thread.

2. Drakseid vs D.C zeus wins

3. Darkseid vs marvel zeus loses


Just because she-hulk and a weak version of thor heald zeus for a few moments dosent mean they are stronger then he is. Zeus literally destroyed hulk effortlessly...........context folks.
That single showing erases every showing of Zeus ever? GTFO.

Originally posted by abhilegend
That single showing erases every showing of Zeus ever? GTFO.
Considering that it was far more recent, it certainly does override the She-Hulk showing.

Originally posted by Epicurus
Considering that it was far more recent, it certainly does override the She-Hulk showing.
It was Thor AND She-Hulk. I don't think why Thor+She-Hulk can't be stronger than that version of Hulk.

Originally posted by abhilegend
It was Thor AND She-Hulk. I don't think why Thor+She-Hulk can't be stronger than that version of Hulk.
Wasn't that Masterson Thor?

That's a pretty strong leap in logic right there, assuming that Thor and She-Hulk can easilyrestrain a being who can beat the crap out of WWH as easily as a grown man beats a little kid.

Because I for one don't buy that Thor+She-Hulk>>>>>>>WWHulk in terms of physical strength.

Originally posted by Epicurus
Wasn't that Masterson Thor?

That's a pretty strong leap in logic right there, assuming that Thor and She-Hulk can easilyrestrain a being who can beat the crap out of WWH as easily as a grown man beats a little kid.

Because I for one don't buy that Thor+She-Hulk>>>>>>>WWHulk in terms of physical strength.
Nah, regular Thor, albeit with brittle bones.

You are using a circular logic. Thor and She-Hulk already restrained a maddened Zeus, it wasn't like he was holding back and WWH got beat the shit out of him. That already proves Thor+She-Hulk>>WWH. He also nearly killed Hercules in three attacks just pages ago.

Why not? Even Pak wrote that Thor hits almost as hard as Hulk.

http://i.imgur.com/dYngPKN.jpg

Just two issues ago before Hulk/Zeus fight BTW.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Nah, regular Thor, albeit with brittle bones.

You are using a circular logic. Thor and She-Hulk already restrained a maddened Zeus, it wasn't like he was holding back and WWH got beat the shit out of him. That already proves Thor+She-Hulk>>WWH. He also nearly killed Hercules in three attacks just pages ago.

Why not? Even Pak wrote that Thor hits almost as hard as Hulk.

http://i.imgur.com/dYngPKN.jpg

Just two issues ago before Hulk/Zeus fight BTW.
Lol, no it doesn't.

If anything, you using a decades old low showing to claim that it applies to the more recent incarnation of Zeus who can beat the crap out of WWH as easily as a prime Muhammad Ali would smack up Justin Bieber, is a disingenuous way of comparing feats from different eras.

Isn't that a scan from Planet Hulk(or one its misc tie-ins)? Wasn't Hulk weakened in that arc? Or at least operating below optimal levels.

Originally posted by Epicurus
Lol, no it doesn't.

If anything, you using a decades old low showing to claim that it applies to the more recent incarnation of Zeus who can beat the crap out of WWH as easily as a prime Muhammad Ali would smack up Justin Bieber, is a disingenuous way of comparing feats from different eras.

Isn't that a scan from Planet Hulk(or one its misc tie-ins)? Wasn't Hulk weakened in that arc? Or at least operating below optimal levels.

Not too mention Zeus had an argument with Odin during the Fear Itself event.The same Odin who manipulated Surtur's Universal Fire capable of destroying a universe.Multiversal if Surtur succeeded in using the nexus of realities in Celtic Otherworld.Zeus is at least a peer to Odin.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/105551/2325604-2030702_zeus_and_odin.jpg

Originally posted by Epicurus
Lol, no it doesn't.

If anything, you using a decades old low showing to claim that it applies to the more recent incarnation of Zeus who can beat the crap out of WWH as easily as a prime Muhammad Ali would smack up Justin Bieber, is a disingenuous way of comparing feats from different eras.

Isn't that a scan from Planet Hulk(or one its misc tie-ins)? Wasn't Hulk weakened in that arc? Or at least operating below optimal levels.
Of course it does.

What low showing? He came across above heralds by a very large gap and when pissed knocked out the whole Avengers team with a single blast.

Heh, the same modern day incarnation of Zeus who got dropped by a spear and Ares punching his teeth out? Because this happened when mindless Hulk invaded Olympus under the same writer.

http://i.imgur.com/PzxOJRB.jpg

Zeus shat his pants in fear and prayed that Hercules might come and save his ass. The same happened when Mikaboshi came and he prayed that Ares comes and saves his ass. Compared to that the showing in Avengers 284-285 might as well be his best showing ever.

Nope, its from IH 620 where Hulk was fully powered.

Originally posted by Igniz
Not too mention Zeus had an argument with Odin during the Fear Itself event.The same Odin who manipulated Surtur's Universal Fire capable of destroying a universe.Multiversal if Surtur succeeded in using the nexus of realities in Celtic Otherworld.Zeus is at least a peer to Odin.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/105551/2325604-2030702_zeus_and_odin.jpg
facepalm

Since when making an argument and standing doing nothing is a feat? Thor did the same in the same event and even took several shots from Odin.

Originally posted by abhilegend
facepalm

Since when making an argument and standing doing nothing is a feat? Thor did the same in the same event and even took several shots from Odin.

Post a scan of Thor's and Odin's argument shaking the world.I must have missed that part.Didn't you read the part were Zeus and Odin was shaking with rage?And that their rage shook the world likewise.Even Mephisto didn't want to be there.This was only an argument were cooler heads didn't prevail.Dormammu in his rage almost destroyed the Dark Dimension.

http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/igniz5/The%20Dread%20Dormammu/DormammusRage2.jpg

And Dormammu is also a peer to both Zeus and Odin BTW.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Of course it does.

What low showing? He came across above heralds by a very large gap and when pissed knocked out the whole Avengers team with a single blast.

Heh, the same modern day incarnation of Zeus who got dropped by a spear and Ares punching his teeth out? Because this happened when mindless Hulk invaded Olympus under the same writer.

http://i.imgur.com/PzxOJRB.jpg

Zeus shat his pants in fear and prayed that Hercules might come and save his ass. The same happened when Mikaboshi came and he prayed that Ares comes and saves his ass. Compared to that the showing in Avengers 284-285 might as well be his best showing ever.

Nope, its from IH 620 where Hulk was fully powered.
No it doesn't.

The one where She-Hulk is able to restrain one of his arms.

Much, much previous to the encounter with the Hulk.

And if we're going on about referring Mikaboshi, let's not conveniently forget that a Mikaboshi-possessed Zeus laid Galactus on his ass utilizing what was, per Pak himself, mostly his own power.

Originally posted by Igniz
Post a scan of Thor's and Odin's argument shaking the world.I must have missed that part.Didn't you read the part were Zeus and Odin was shaking with rage?And that their rage shook the world likewise.Even Mephisto didn't want to be there.This was only an argument were cooler heads didn't prevail.Dormammu in his rage almost destroyed the Dark Dimension.

http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/igniz5/The%20Dread%20Dormammu/DormammusRage2.jpg

And Dormammu is also a peer to both Zeus and Odin BTW.
You took that flowery dialogue seriously? SMH.

Anyway Dormammu's feats don't apply to Zeus just because he is called a peer. Darkseid has created entire universes, a random new god has created universes if you're trying to play that kind of feats.Originally posted by Epicurus
No it doesn't.

The one where She-Hulk is able to restrain one of his arms.

Much, much previous to the encounter with the Hulk.

And if we're going on about referring Mikaboshi, let's not conveniently forget that a Mikaboshi-possessed Zeus laid Galactus on his ass utilizing what was, per Pak himself, mostly his own power.

Of course it does.

So? Shulkie restrained Thor for a few moments a few issues later. Its not inconceivable that she can restrain one of his arms.

Referenced in IH 622 and Zeus got no upgrades in between.

Pak has said many things in interviews, including the famous "only Galactus can beat WWH" bit. What actually happened was that Zeus' body was possessed by CK and it wasn't Zeus at all.

@Abhi
If those Zeus showings are in context, it's not looking good for him.

His only hope is if that Odin/Zeus throwdown in Fear Itself really is a fight, like I've been saying, and not just some metaphysical representation of them arguing (like other posters have been saying).

Just damn.

Originally posted by abhilegend
You took that flowery dialogue seriously? SMH.

Why not?Odin planning to burn the earth is actually bad for Zeus since Olympus is on earth.Zeus had the right to argue against Odin's plan.I think New Olympus was in new york harbor at the time.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Anyway Dormammu's feats don't apply to Zeus just because he is called a peer. Darkseid has created entire universes, a random new god has created universes if you're trying to play that kind of feats.

Darkseid's and the New Gods feats of creating universes are shit if they can't do it in fights.I create universes too you know.And I do it while fighting

http://i1040.photobucket.com/albums/b410/cloh1/igniz.jpg

But I wouldn't say I can beat the like of Zeus or Odin since my rage can't destroy the world

Originally posted by abhilegend
Of course it does.

So? Shulkie restrained Thor for a few moments a few issues later. Its not inconceivable that she can restrain one of his arms.

Referenced in IH 622 and Zeus got no upgrades in between.

Pak has said many things in interviews, including the famous "only Galactus can beat WWH" bit. What actually happened was that Zeus' body was possessed by CK and it wasn't Zeus at all.
It really doesn't.

Considering the massive power gap between a herald level character like Thor, and a meta level character like She-Hulk(barring those 4th wall shenanigans), that's essentially a PIS feat. Which, per forum rules, doesn't count. Though issue #s for said feat, just to make sure you're not forgetting some important bit of context would be nice.

Which still makes it a much previous feat.

Pak's hyperbolic commentary is wholly different from him actually extrapolating upon a feat written in a comic by himself. His cbr interview is no different from Hickman clarifying that Adult Franklin Richards didn't die in the battle against the Mad Celestials on formspring.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Darkseid has created entire universes, a random new god has created universes if you're trying to play that kind of feats.
Unquantifiable hyperbole on Mr Miracle's part doesn't count as them creating universes. If you want, we can get a mod ruling on whether New Gods on average operate at universal levels or not. Though the premise itself is fairly ridiculous to speak of.

Originally posted by Igniz
Why not?Odin planning to burn the earth is actually bad for Zeus since Olympus is on earth.Zeus had the right to argue against Odin's plan.I think New Olympus was in new york harbor at the time.



Darkseid's and the New Gods feats of creating universes are shit if they can't do it in fights.I create universes too you know.And I do it while fighting

http://i1040.photobucket.com/albums/b410/cloh1/igniz.jpg

But I wouldn't say I can beat the like of Zeus or Odin since my rage can't destroy the world
Why? Because its just that. They were in a different dimension which was created by LT himself.

You are seriously using yourself as an argument? GTFO.Originally posted by Epicurus
It really doesn't.

Considering the massive power gap between a herald level character like Thor, and a meta level character like She-Hulk(barring those 4th wall shenanigans), that's essentially a PIS feat. Which, per forum rules, doesn't count. Though issue #s for said feat, just to make sure you're not forgetting some important bit of context would be nice.

Which still makes it a much previous feat.

Pak's hyperbolic commentary is wholly different from him actually extrapolating upon a feat written in a comic by himself. His cbr interview is no different from Hickman clarifying that Adult Franklin Richards didn't die in the battle against the Mad Celestials on formspring.
You could say that a hundred times and it wouldn't matter.

PIS? Hahaha. Shulkie beat the shit out of him too. Now all that is PIS too?

And? Did he get a upgrade?

You're mistaking Pak's interviews as a canon fact. Zeus was never there.

Originally posted by Epicurus
Unquantifiable hyperbole on Mr Miracle's part doesn't count as them creating universes. If you want, we can get a mod ruling on whether New Gods on average operate at universal levels or not. Though the premise itself is fairly ridiculous to speak of.
Hahaha. Now you're accusing Mr. Miracle's words seeing an action as hyperbole but accepting Pak's words in an interview as gospel?



How about this where Darkseid create multiple realities.

1. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/SevenSoldiers_MisterMiracle03_13.jpg
2. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/SevenSoldiers_MisterMiracle03_14.jpg
3. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/SevenSoldiers_MisterMiracle03_15.jpg
4. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/SevenSoldiers_MisterMiracle03_16.jpg
5. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/SevenSoldiers_MisterMiracle03_17.jpg
6. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/SevenSoldiers_MisterMiracle04_12.jpg
7. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/SevenSoldiers_MisterMiracle04_13.jpg
8. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/SevenSoldiers_MisterMiracle04_14.jpg
9. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/SevenSoldiers_MisterMiracle04_15.jpg
10. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/SevenSoldiers_MisterMiracle04_16.jpg
11. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/SevenSoldiers_MisterMiracle04_17.jpg

Or here as Darkseid gives 1/5th of powerto destroy a universe.

1. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Cosmic_Odyssey_TPB_171.jpg
2. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Cosmic_Odyssey_TPB_172.jpg
3. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Cosmic_Odyssey_TPB_173.jpg
4. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Cosmic_Odyssey_TPB_174.jpg
5. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Cosmic_Odyssey_TPB_175.jpg
6. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Cosmic_Odyssey_TPB_176.jpg

Or just removing Darkseid from timeline destroys the whole universe.

1. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/TheLegion029-01.jpg
2. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/TheLegion029-02.jpg
3. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/TheLegion029-03.jpg
4. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/TheLegion029-09.jpg
5. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/TheLegion029-12.jpg

How many of those feats are PIS?

Originally posted by abhilegend
You could say that a hundred times and it wouldn't matter.

PIS? Hahaha. Shulkie beat the shit out of him too. Now all that is PIS too?

And? Did he get a upgrade?

You're mistaking Pak's interviews as a canon fact. Zeus was never there.

Incorrect.

PIS feats are not allowed per forum rules. Please try and adhere to them for a change.

More recent showing overrides Hulk's supposed superiority over him.

That is blatantly false, considering that we see Zeus being used as a meatsuit to perform said feat.
Originally posted by abhilegend

Hahaha. Now you're accusing Mr. Miracle's words seeing an action as hyperbole but accepting Pak's words in an interview as gospel?



How about this where Darkseid create multiple realities.

1. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/SevenSoldiers_MisterMiracle03_13.jpg
2. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/SevenSoldiers_MisterMiracle03_14.jpg
3. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/SevenSoldiers_MisterMiracle03_15.jpg
4. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/SevenSoldiers_MisterMiracle03_16.jpg
5. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/SevenSoldiers_MisterMiracle03_17.jpg
6. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/SevenSoldiers_MisterMiracle04_12.jpg
7. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/SevenSoldiers_MisterMiracle04_13.jpg
8. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/SevenSoldiers_MisterMiracle04_14.jpg
9. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/SevenSoldiers_MisterMiracle04_15.jpg
10. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/SevenSoldiers_MisterMiracle04_16.jpg
11. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/SevenSoldiers_MisterMiracle04_17.jpg

Or here as Darkseid gives 1/5th of powerto destroy a universe.

1. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Cosmic_Odyssey_TPB_171.jpg
2. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Cosmic_Odyssey_TPB_172.jpg
3. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Cosmic_Odyssey_TPB_173.jpg
4. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Cosmic_Odyssey_TPB_174.jpg
5. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Cosmic_Odyssey_TPB_175.jpg
6. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Cosmic_Odyssey_TPB_176.jpg

Or just removing Darkseid from timeline destroys the whole universe.

1. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/TheLegion029-01.jpg
2. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/TheLegion029-02.jpg
3. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/TheLegion029-03.jpg
4. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/TheLegion029-09.jpg
5. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/TheLegion029-12.jpg

How many of those feats are PIS?
Omega Sanction. The context of which has been pointed out to you before.

Lol, so him having a connection to the might of the Anti-Life entity is him providing his own personal power for the destruction of that dimension? Not to mention that High-Father/Orion acting as similar conduits to the power of the SOurce and Etrigan tapping into primal forces normally beyond the scope of Dr Fate's abilities is a detail not worth leaving out when presenting such grandiose, yet make-believe feats.

I am not even going to bother with that last showing, since temporal alterations now count as legit universal feats. Everyday Cyclops/Scott Summers is universal going by this logic. Part of established canon.

Originally posted by Epicurus
Incorrect. nope.

And who said they are PIS? Shulkie has affected Thor several times.

And the spear's superiority?

Doesn't mean it was his power.

Omega sanction IS a power of Darkseid. Its like saying MJOLNIR.

Yes. It was outright stated.

Heh, your lowballing is cute.

One day you will learn the difference between a decision making another future reality never coming into fruition and between an already existing universe being destroyed by someone. One day perhaps.

Zeus FTW.

Darkseid is, IMHO, roughly on par with Thanos. Zeus is roughly on par with Odin.

Who would of thought it Abhi lowballing , don't know why ppl bother with him he's h1 lvl

Originally posted by jaxthejester
Zeus FTW.

Darkseid is, IMHO, roughly on par with Thanos. Zeus is roughly on par with Odin.

I wouldn't consider Darkseid Thanos level. Honestly think he is below by some notches.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
Who would of thought it Abhi lowballing , don't know why ppl bother with him he's h1 lvl
Or people highballing Zeus by a single feat out of his fifty year history?

Never change nihilist.

Man you guys can be immature as phuck

Originally posted by abhilegend
Or people highballing Zeus by a single feat out of his fifty year history?

Never change nihilist. I don't care what others are doing in this thread, you do this routine in every thread any cry about others doing it.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
I don't care what others are doing in this thread, you do this routine in every thread any cry about others doing it.
Of course you do. But I'd rather not indulge in your pissing contests.

Stay on topic all so the thread doesn't get closed

Originally posted by guy222
Stay on topic all so the thread doesn't get closed just tell them to grow up no point being nice

Originally posted by abhilegend
Of course you do. But I'd rather not indulge in your pissing contests. no pissing contest at all, just the simple facts that you lowball in every thread

Yeah I don't see why people are getting upset that abhilegend is lowballing and then a second later they lowball Darkseid themselves.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Yeah I don't see why people are getting upset that abhilegend is lowballing and then a second later they lowball Darkseid themselves. show me where I've lowballed Darkseid

Originally posted by -K-M-
Yeah I don't see why people are getting upset that abhilegend is lowballing and then a second later they lowball Darkseid themselves.
But is Abhi even lowballing?

I still can't believe the Thing/Hercules team-up was canon and not a story Thing was telling to some kids. That's a horrible showing for Zeus. Then you have Ares putting him on his @$$. Zeus getting impaled by a spear. Etc...

Damn Abhi, you just ruined a character for me.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
show me where I've lowballed Darkseid

I wasn't even referencing you as you just started posting. However, you did just come in here claiming that Abh was lowballing and added nothing else to the debate. tsk tsk

Show me where I lowballed Darkseid mungi

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Show me where I lowballed Darkseid mungi

This is Darkseid's ball...this ball can not go any lower

http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/x/grunge-football-soccer-ball-falling-ground-19083881.jpg

No denying it, if you say otherwise you're not a comicbook fan and have ties to Al-Qaeda

The thing I find ironic about Zeus is that whenever he seems to have a low showing, its usually in a physical sense. Characters holding him back, spears, etc,,,. Its funny that he has so much more in his arsenal, but Marvel jobs him for some reason by throwing fists. I remember the early Hercules mini (I think it was then) when Zeus appeared before him somewhere and it was just his eyes and mouth with a glowing light. He yelled at Hercules with so much force that Hercules was scared shitless. Thats the way he should be portrayed all the time,,,like Odin in my opinion. I do admit that he has some crap showings though. Still think he has the means to beat Darkseid.

Originally posted by abhilegend
nope.

And who said they are PIS? Shulkie has affected Thor several times.

And the spear's superiority?

Doesn't mean it was his power.

Omega sanction IS a power of Darkseid. Its like saying MJOLNIR.

Yes. It was outright stated.

Heh, your lowballing is cute.

One day you will learn the difference between a decision making another future reality never coming into fruition and between an already existing universe being destroyed by someone. One day perhaps.
Yes.

Forums rules did. Every bit as PIS as She-Hulk herself struggling to overwhelm a thousand human-level Madroxes dogpiled on her.

Overridden by more recent canon.

Yes it does when the writer clarifies said scene to us in an off-panel interview.

The context has been pointed out to you before. Bfring them in an adaptive, self-morphing dimension doesn't count as him "making new realities".

Incorrect. Your scans highlight that Darkseid's connection to the AL entity is what enables him to be one of the conduits for Fate to tap into nigh-omnipotent sources of power.

More like pointing out context which is conveniently left out to put specific characters at power-levels which are several tiers beyond their own scale. The agenda behind which is probably obvious to anyone, lol.

One day you will learn the difference between looking at feats through fanboy goggles and objective analysis of scans. In the meantime, stick to disingenuous lowballing of some specific characters that you hate for no good reason.

his lowballing is legendary at this point. the dedication it takes to document all low feats, the passion involved in such en endeavor....no surprise the sun touching your skin is almost lethal

let me pray about this

Originally posted by -K-M-
I wasn't even referencing you as you just started posting. However, you did just come in here claiming that Abh was lowballing and added nothing else to the debate. tsk tsk go back and read earlier in the thread I gave my opinion, also stfu

lol

Originally posted by Insane Titan
go back and read earlier in the thread I gave my opinion, also stfu #rekt

Originally posted by Epicurus
It really doesn't.

Considering the massive power gap between a herald level character like Thor, and a meta level character like She-Hulk(barring those 4th wall shenanigans), that's essentially a PIS feat. Which, per forum rules, doesn't count. Though issue #s for said feat, just to make sure you're not forgetting some important bit of context would be nice.

If by context, do you mean the fact that Thor was under the influence of a mindbender chip (Three actually, unlike the other Avengers which he would have to actively resist controlling his own body as seen earlier)? Then sure, there is context involved:
http://s29.postimg.org/j8nxmnak3/Avengers297_09b.jpg

Originally posted by Epicurus
Yes. Nope.

No they didn't. You randomly stated that She-hulk affecting Thor several times are PIS. That's not how forum works.

Did Zeus survive a spear recently?

Nope. Interviews are non-usable by default by the same forum rules.

Nope, it had no context behind it. You just pulled that outta your ass. The new realities were directly referenced. Omega sanction was also powerful enough to destroy DCU when Bruce returned to present anyway. That alone is enough to shit on Zeus' whole history.

Where? Darkseid has acquired a tiny portion of ALE which was enough to destroy a solar system, not 1/5th of the universe.

What agenda? The characters performed those feats despite what tier KMC has them in. You're assigning a definite power level to comic characters based on their KMC tiers?

facepalm

Heh, so nothing but whining, whining and some more whining.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Nope.

No they didn't. You randomly stated that She-hulk affecting Thor several times are PIS. That's not how forum works.

Did Zeus survive a spear recently?

Nope. Interviews are non-usable by default by the same forum rules.

Nope, it had no context behind it. You just pulled that outta your ass. The new realities were directly referenced. Omega sanction was also powerful enough to destroy DCU when Bruce returned to present anyway. That alone is enough to shit on Zeus' whole history.

Where? Darkseid has acquired a tiny portion of ALE which was enough to destroy a solar system, not 1/5th of the universe.

What agenda? The characters performed those feats despite what tier KMC has them in. You're assigning a definite power level to comic characters based on their KMC tiers?

facepalm

Heh, so nothing but whining, whining and some more whining.
Yes.

It does. Though with the context which Rage recently posted, that showing in itself becomes invalid. Anyways, #s for said showings wherein the She-Hulk managed to get the best of Thor?

Overridden by him beating the crap out of Hulk.

Random interviews on random boards. CBR is far from a random board, and writers posting/interviewing on there is a fairly common phenomena.

Yes, it did. Read your own scans. If that doesn't point to the OS dimension simply molding itself to resemble the worse nightmare of its prisoners sort of deal, then you have some serious reading comprehension problems. I'd like #s for the OS destroying the DCU, since context being butchered and scans being completely misrepresented is a common habit of yours. Though, going by that logic, since the war between the French and British empires threatened the omniverse, therefore Marvel's colonial era armies alone>>>>Darkseid.

Acting as a conduit to the might of a being and using a tiny fraction of the same being are not one and the same. Though Orion/High-Father acting as similar conduits to the Source, and Etrigan tapping into primal mystical forces being ignored, and the feat itself being presented as if it was Darkseid himself who blew up that dimension is beyond the disingenuity which you have demonstrated in this thread so far.

The one which is so blatantly obvious every time you post low showings of Marvel characters affiliated with Superman's Marvel contemporaries like Thor/Hulk. And in turn, also post high showings(some of which are blatantly ooc and misinterpreted) of Superman-affiliated characters like the NGs.

Learn to present facts without tainting it with your haterade and bias. Maybe you'll even gain some respect from your contemporaries on this board./shrugs

Originally posted by Epicurus
the French and British empires threatened the omniverse,

We are powerful like that.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
his lowballing is legendary at this point. the dedication it takes to document all low feats, the passion involved in such en endeavor....no surprise the sun touching your skin is almost lethal

let me pray about this Good times.

Anyway, She-Hulk helping pull Zeus away after he pretty much one punches Hercules is a terrible showing, and must speak volumes about his strength in comparison to her:
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/Zeus/Avengers284_15b.jpg
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/Zeus/Avengers284_16b.jpg

Or... people are making issues about nothing... no, couldn't be.

This could in no way be turned around and used against Superman considering he has never been "restrained" by weaker people.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
his lowballing is legendary at this point. the dedication it takes to document all low feats, the passion involved in such en endeavor....no surprise the sun touching your skin is almost lethal

let me pray about this
I pray about your baiting skills bro. What happened to you gundam?

DS is way above zeus. This is not even a contest.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
If by context, do you mean the fact that Thor was under the influence of a mindbender chip (Three actually, unlike the other Avengers which he would have to actively resist controlling his own body as seen earlier)? Then sure, there is context involved:
http://s29.postimg.org/j8nxmnak3/Avengers297_09b.jpg When he finally actually got free of the mindbender he felt free. In that scan he just went berserk, which seems to indicate it was still working on some level

But when just one was active Thor's muscles were rebelling against themselves:
http://i62.tinypic.com/2mhdf1l.jpg
http://i58.tinypic.com/16bj5gi.jpg

So naturally Thor was in top form and She-Hulk is just stronger, because this *not intended to be used as a* low feat has great relevance.

Heh, Bran doesn't know what he is doing, does he? Thor was momentarily freed by Kang overloading the mindbender circuitry and that's why he attacked Nebula.

http://s29.postimg.org/aqehib41h/Avengers297_09b.jpg

If anything She-Hulk was under the control of mindbenders at that point but her strength wasn't hampered. But somehow Thor being unable to coordinate his attack due to mindbenders just like Black Knight somehow means he was still under the control of the mindbenders and his strength was flagging.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
go back and read earlier in the thread I gave my opinion, also stfu

Awwww is someone upset? It's ok, it does get better

As I said earlier I wasn't referencing you, nor did I see your previous posts so that's a pretty good indication you weren't on my radar. So you got that going for you

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Good times.

Anyway, She-Hulk helping pull Zeus away after he pretty much one punches Hercules is a terrible showing, and must speak volumes about his strength in comparison to her:
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/Zeus/Avengers284_15b.jpg
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/Zeus/Avengers284_16b.jpg

Or... people are making issues about nothing... no, couldn't be.

This could in no way be turned around and used against Superman considering he has never been "restrained" by weaker people.
Just realized that I missed this post. In which case, this essentially ends any and all debate regarding Zeus being overpowered by a meta-level superhuman.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Heh, it was spelled out that Hal used ONLY his ring to create the universe and I've said it many times that Cap used Quantum Field, its more like you're butthurt than I somehow omitting the context.
Except for the part where said feat occurs within the Central Battery. Not counting the various instances wherein you represented the Cap feat as an example of how these universe-creating power-level showings should be taken with a grain of salt, you mean.

Originally posted by Epicurus
Yes. No.

You mean the context which makes She-hulk weakened rather than thor? Because Thor was freed of mindbenders at that point and Shulkie wasn't.

Heh, now I'm hating marvel characters in general? Keep going bro.

Go for it. Darkseid has enough universal feats already.

Why?


Without any kind of objection from you, it is. Concession Accepted bro.

Heh, what an utterly pointless point.

Insults? Ran out of arguments? Hahahaha.

Now you're actually taking another poster's arguments and projecting? Nice going there Quan.



] No, it shows him having that portion of power. "Some of the might of our own nemesis." If he was conduit, he would've channeled more than his portion of power.

Again this? You could repeat it as many times and it wouldn't make any difference. Highfather channeled Source's power, Etrigan did to primal mystic power but Darkseid provided power which he already had and now does as shown in DOTNG.


Hah, what? How did they provide more than Darkseid? What a shitty strawman though.

What? He has access to that power as shown in DOTNG. He has power shown to destroy 1/5th of universe permanently. What's hard to understand about that? Oh right.


So nothing but a "Mr Master" type pointless post. You've got to do better.


Hahaha, that's just teh most laughable thing I heard all day.

Which means nothing as it was stated that the ring was what created that universe. The ring wasn't supercharged or Hal used power of that battery. In fact he had totally forgotten he was in CPB at all. And what about it?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Heh, Bran doesn't know what he is doing, does he? Thor was momentarily freed by Kang overloading the mindbender circuitry and that's why he attacked Nebula.

http://s29.postimg.org/aqehib41h/Avengers297_09b.jpg

If anything She-Hulk was under the control of mindbenders at that point but her strength wasn't hampered. But somehow Thor being unable to coordinate his attack due to mindbenders just like Black Knight somehow means he was still under the control of the mindbenders and his strength was flagging.

Don't know why I clicked this, but there's a reason you're on ignore, so jokes on me I guess.

Like I said in my post, when Thor was actually freed as in the mindbenders stopped working completely, he felt free:
http://i60.tinypic.com/24owyv9.jpg

When Kang temporarily disrupted it, he went berserk, which seems to indicate it still worked on some level. And when it worked on some level, Thor was working against himself.

But oh no, obviously me comparing him being free to him being berserk indicates I missed the panel of Kang speaking. Thanks for pointing that out Master Secrets. Obviously my post wasn't referring to exactly that. Gee, I didn't know the context, and now you Abhi, master of context pointed that out to me!

Twisty Mctwist lies like always. Good to know some things only get worse with time.
Because Thor was actively fighting it, and She-Hulk wasn't. It's outright stated one wouldn't be able to contain him, which is why they put three on him. One only made him fight with himself and have him outright state that his muscles were rebelling against him. Show the scan of She-Hulk stating the same please or shut up with your false points.

Or are you trying to indicate in some way that She-Hulk knocking around a uncoordinated Thor who was weaker due to fighting the control is some sort of tell of Thor's strength as well as your lowballing of She-Hulk holding down Thor?

In that case, I'm sure PR would love to see how great your current argument is. If only there were some way to alert a mod to show how great a post is...

Though honestly it looks like you just found something you quickly skimmed over and said "Well, this will definitely help all my future arguments!"
So meh. But feel free to make a She-Hulk vs Thor strength comparison thread if you believe your scan and take on the events so much. You won't of course, but that's just you.
I'll help you out though if you do actually believe your arguments and your take of the events:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/newthread.php?s=&action=newthread&forumid=77

Not that this feat matters in the slightest considering Superman has been held back by Alan Scott of all people, so if that's legit, I fail to see how Shulk is a knock. Or is it time that people start posting Alan Scott holding back Superman like it makes some sort of point in threads?
And I have absolutely no idea what She-Hulk holding back Thor has to do with anything, but I'm going to assume it definitely is not lowballing.

Good on you guys for writing those long posts. I didn't read them as reading gives me cramps; but good on ya as my drive to debate like that is long gone

Originally posted by -K-M-
Good on you guys for writing those long posts. I didn't read them as reading gives me cramps; but good on ya as my drive to debate like that is long gone

Samsquanch vs Colossus thread incoming