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This is a skill fight. No amping, Chi, no Batsuit or enhanced clothing. Just plain ole hand to hand. Who wins? This is pre reboot Batman.

The Fist is like the only character ever above the BatCapDevilKidSpace-Pun tier.

You could put that whole tier against him, and he'd come out on top

So Iron Fist with a skill cap?

He still wins

I'd be interested in knowing how some posters determine differences in skill among highly skilled combatants.

Originally posted by namorsubby
I'd be interested in knowing how some posters determine differences in skill among highly skilled combatants.
Didn't you know?? By bias. This is KMC bro..

Originally posted by namorsubby
I'd be interested in knowing how some posters determine differences in skill among highly skilled combatants. do you mean cross companies? In company its feats but cross company I use it more as a check mark unless the skills make them have a physical edge

Probably around the same. I'm just basing this off of Bruce stalemating 3Boot Val in the air and his fight with classic Val.

Bruce

Originally posted by Golgo13
Probably around the same. I'm just basing this off of Bruce stalemating 3Boot Val in the air and his fight with classic Val.

Classic Val kicked his ass.

Originally posted by cdtm
Classic Val kicked his ass.

Not as easily as I would have liked. It wasn't an ownage. Val definitely looked superior.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Not as easily as I would have liked. It wasn't an ownage. Val definitely looked superior.

Batman was amped then, fueled by his hate of Superman.

"Clark thinks KK is better... I'm going to prove the stupid farmboy wrong." Not the exact quote, but that's what he meant

Has anyone read this ?

Originally posted by Magic Joe
Has anyone read this ?

Yeah.

What about it?

Originally posted by cdtm
Yeah.

What about it?

Who had the upper hand? Is it cannon ?

Iron Fist wins... Batman wouldn't even be in MARVEL's Top 10

Originally posted by Magic Joe
Who had the upper hand? Is it cannon ?

It's canon, and they had two fights. That's the start of their first one.

I'll post the scans in a bit.

Originally posted by Tony Stark
Iron Fist wins... Batman wouldn't even be in MARVEL's Top 10

Why is that?

Originally posted by cdtm
It's canon, and they had two fights. That's the start of their first one.

I'll post the scans in a bit.

Thanks

First fight, from Heroes for Hire v1 11

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/CDTM3000/HeroesForHire11p05_zps35292d25.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/CDTM3000/HeroesForHire11p08_zps40f331cd.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/CDTM3000/HeroesForHire11p09_zps1f7c99e6.jpg



Second fight, H4H v1 19

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/CDTM3000/HeroesForHire19p15_zps66e4103d.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/CDTM3000/HeroesForHire19p17_zps6cca42b9.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/CDTM3000/HeroesForHire19p19_zpse364780e.jpg


I love Cat, but he's almost like a completely different person between their first and second fights, and Ostrander wrote both of them. I don't think I've ever seen him as cynically mercenary as he was in 19.

Either way, it's pretty impressive for Danny to beat him without the use of the IF, because Cat managed to fight Shang Chi to a draw on three occasions in the 1970's when he was virtually unbeatable, and I can't think of any particularly bad showings in his very limited number of appearances.

Thank you cdtm...Now I can look up the issues

Originally posted by Magic Joe
Thank you cdtm...Now I can look up the issues

I'd definitely recommend the series. Ostrander's usually a safe bet as a writer, and he did good work on h4h. Danny and Cage in particular looked great, compared to other stories they were put in (Like that story with the New Warriors, where they shoehorn in Wolverine as a partner for no real reason..)

Plus, there's a priceless moment where Deadpool makes fun of Danny's ballet slippers, and for the rest of the series he starts wearing green boots instead.

Originally posted by cdtm


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/CDTM3000/HeroesForHire19p15_zps66e4103d.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/CDTM3000/HeroesForHire19p17_zps6cca42b9.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/CDTM3000/HeroesForHire19p19_zpse364780e.jpg




This is my favorite look for Iron Fist, wish it stuck around.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Why is that?


Ummmmmmmmm... He's not a skilled enough fighter.

Originally posted by Tony Stark
Ummmmmmmmm... He's not a skilled enough fighter. Your phucking stupid

Batman wins, and decisively.

Ironfist

..loses.

Yes, Batman loses.

Originally posted by Tony Stark
Ummmmmmmmm... He's not a skilled enough fighter.

What are you basing this off of? Please elaborate? For someone who stalemated Val, I think he's on the same level or close.

Originally posted by Golgo13
What are you basing this off of? Please elaborate? For someone who stalemated Val, I think he's on the same level or close.


Val had the better showing fight skills wise IMO.

Originally posted by Tony Stark
Val had the better showing fight skills wise IMO.

I'm talking 3boot Val here. In Brave and the Bold. Both were on equal footing, while Val looked a smidge better. The same Val who crushed glacier and easily dodged Ultraboy and one-shotted Colossal Boy.

10 MARVEL fighters that are IMO more skilled than Batman in no specific order:

Iron Fist, Task Master, Black Panther, Daredevil, Deadpool, Wolverine, Cap, Gamora, Shang-Chi, Zemo

I could add more but, won't...

Originally posted by Tony Stark
10 MARVEL fighters that are IMO more skilled than Batman in no specific order:

Iron Fist, Task Master, Black Panther, Daredevil, Deadpool, Wolverine, Cap, Gamora, Shang-Chi, Zemo

I could add more but, won't...

Your phucking stupid

Originally posted by God Cloth Seiya
Your phucking stupid





I'm NOT exactly concerned about what you have to say on the matter. You've been wearing your Batman Underoos for 43 days straight.

Originally posted by Tony Stark
10 MARVEL fighters that are IMO more skilled than Batman in no specific order:

Iron Fist, Task Master, Black Panther, Daredevil, Deadpool, Wolverine, Cap, Gamora, Shang-Chi, Zemo

I could add more but, won't...

Nah.

Originally posted by God Cloth Seiya
Your phucking stupid

You just noticed that now?

Originally posted by Tony Stark
10 MARVEL fighters that are IMO more skilled than Batman in no specific order:

Iron Fist, Task Master, Black Panther, Daredevil, Deadpool, Wolverine, Cap, Gamora, Shang-Chi, Zemo

I could add more but, won't...

Go ahead and prove that hilariously goofy claim.

Only Cap can even be argued to be more skilled in HTH. IF due to chi.

Zemo?! Bwahahahaha!

Originally posted by panthergod
Go ahead and prove that hilariously goofy claim.

Only Cap can even be argued to be more skilled in HTH. IF due to chi.

Zemo?! Bwahahahaha!


Ever opened up a non DC comic book before? There's actually another company called MARVEL Comics. You should check them out.

And you can go ahead and prove that my claim isn't valid.

Originally posted by Tony Stark
Ever opened up a non DC comic book before? There's actually another company called MARVEL Comics. You should check them out.

And you can go ahead and prove that my claim isn't valid.


How so?

Originally posted by Tony Stark
Ever opened up a non DC comic book before? There's actually another company called MARVEL Comics. You should check them out.

And you can go ahead and prove that my claim isn't valid.

So you have zero evidence whatsoever for that clownish position. Thats all you had to say.

Originally posted by Tony Stark
10 MARVEL fighters that are IMO more skilled than Batman in no specific order:

Iron Fist, Task Master, Black Panther, Daredevil, Deadpool, Wolverine, Cap, Gamora, Shang-Chi, Zemo

I could add more but, won't...

Originally posted by panthergod
So you have zero evidence whatsoever for that clownish position. Thats all you had to say.


OK... I'll make it easy for you. Which of my list Iron Fist, Task Master, Black Panther, Daredevil, Deadpool, Wolverine, Cap, Gamora, Shang-Chi, Zemo is The Joker going to KO?

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-wsCC_CRGQis/UnG60Fr4KuI/AAAAAAAAOO8/YV0sZ2Cr5dg/s640/Batman25120005.jpg

lol

Based upon the parameters set out in the OP, shouldn't the title of this thread be 'Danny Rand vs Bruce Wayne'?

To quote Mindset:

Without his chi, Iron Fist would be DEAD.

And besides, the feats we can draw from gets reduced to zero. Vs The Cat, Shang Chi, Davos, or Shao Lao all happened without the Iron Fist, but try proving he didn't chi amp..