Uncuffed Wonder Woman vs Superman

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carver9
DCNU of both. Who wins?

Rage.Of.Olympus
Wonder Woman wins.

That actually feels weird to type lol.

psycho gundam
inb4abigail

-Pr-
lol, oh Carver...

carver9
Really Pr? Who else can I pit her against.?

pym-ftw
Diana

h1a8
WW

quanchi112
WW wins.

guy222
Di

Diesldude
Superman.

SamZED
Cuffed Wonder Woman... droolio

Golgo13
What is uncuffed WW? Sounds kinky. stick out tongue

SquallX
Originally posted by Golgo13
What is uncuffed WW? Sounds kinky. stick out tongue

That's when she takes off her bracers.

mighty adam
WATS dcun WW feats. Has she beat of fought anybody on the level of dcun supes, he'l, etc.

SquallX
Originally posted by mighty adam
WATS dcun WW feats. Has she beat of fought anybody on the level of dcun supes, he'l, etc.

Took on Zod and Faora and made it looked easy, while kal got his ass kicked by them both with a broken arm to seal the deal.

bluewaterrider
Originally posted by Golgo13


What is "uncuffed" WW?

Sounds ...


mmm

I shouldn't encourage this, but, believe it or not, in the present DCnU series, the first time we see Diana free of those bracelets is actually in a bedroom ...


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Source: Wonder Woman #1, Volume 6
Writer: Brian Azzarello
Penciller: Cliff Chiang
Date: November 2011
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http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Wonder_Woman_Vol_4_1

StiltmanFTW
laughing out loud

bluewaterrider
Originally posted by SquallX


on Zod and Faora and made it easy ...

Kal ...



It's worth noting, too, that the Faora/Zod engagement was done while Diana was cuffed, not uncuffed.

She was, in other words, operating at her lower, standard levels of physical strength and power, not the higher ones being suggested here by the thread starter.


For the sake of argument, though, I now feel the obligation to point out the following:

1. Zod and Faora are not yet fully versed in the use of their Kryptonian superpowers.

2. Kal was being double-teamed. Diana was too, of course, but she's had formal fight training, presumably even in melee fighting,
where one person must go against a group of people, not just fight one on one. Kal hasn't.

3. Diana, compared to yellow-sunned Kryptonians, has crap for durability.
Note that she feels the need to defend against Zod's heat vision attack with her sword and takes care to avoid getting hit even while she actively grapples and fistcuffs her opponents. She can't necessarily take what she's able to dish out.



Still, that engagement with the 2 superpowered Kryptonians was impressive.

Diana seems physically stronger than Faora even when Faora uses two hands to try to wrestle Wondy's sword from her,
and subdued Faora in their second "round" to the degree that Diana was able to toss Faora aside one-handed after Zod negotiated for her.

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Source: Superman/Wonder Woman #5, Volume 1
Writer: Charles Soule
Pencillers: Tony S. Daniel and Matt Banning
Date, Official: April 2014 (actual month of 1st release was February 2014)
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http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Superman/Wonder_Woman_Vol_1_5

abhilegend
Superman. Orion outperformed her against First Born while she was uncuffed.

http://i.imgur.com/4dwvs4v.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/YxCutHf.jpg

Compared to getting taken out by a simple divebomb.

http://i.imgur.com/q5FYgQa.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/vT56Vy0.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/SCnRjYk.jpg

Even War did better than her.

http://i.imgur.com/NL3y8Ml.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/LBFh5z8.jpg
But beating a random featless goddess Artemis who she beat while being cuffed too and getting her shit pushed in by First Born worse than Orion means she wins against Superman. Oh KMC.

laughing out loudOriginally posted by SquallX
Took on Zod and Faora and made it looked easy, while kal got his ass kicked by them both with a broken arm to seal the deal.
Skills. Not strength/strength/durability. She wasn't even punched once. Wonder Woman isn't getting a straight up win against Superman in comics, forget about it.

Epicurus
^Not sure exactly what you're trying to prove using those scans, but claiming that Orion and War "did better" then her when the most damage on-panel was done by Diana herself(a single cold-clock from her bloodied his jaw up as opposed to Orion doing his eye-gouge and War doing virtually no damage) is....odd to say the least.

abhilegend
Originally posted by Epicurus
^Not sure exactly what you're trying to prove using those scans, but claiming that Orion and War "did better" then her when the most damage on-panel was done by Diana herself(a single cold-clock from her bloodied his jaw up as opposed to Orion doing his eye-gouge and War doing virtually no damage) is....odd to say the least.
Orion took several attacks from FB and kept on coming, she was laid out in a single attack. Bloodying FB is no big deal, Ares drew blood here too.

http://i.imgur.com/kdXp0mY.jpg

Hooray, he beats superman too!!!!

All those scratch marks on the First Born are from regular Lions, it took him 7000 years to dig his way out from a deep pit, a tidal wave ended him etc:
http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16781390_06.jpg http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16781391_07.jpg http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16781392_09.jpg http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16781393_16.jpg http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16781394_17.jpg http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16781395_18.jpg http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16781396_19.jpg

Its clear that Azzarello is writing a completely different wonder woman than the rest and this uncuffed wonder woman is more powerful is based on nothing but mis-mashing the works of different writers. Heck, even he hadn't said that uncuffing makes her more powerful.

abhilegend
Also compare and contrast.

Even in the first scene Wonder Woman flung Artemis aside.

http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt19/Max_Eisenhardt/th_WonderWoman-Zone-003_zpsa680a568.jpghttp://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt19/Max_Eisenhardt/th_WonderWoman-Zone-004_zpscf0a31b6.jpghttp://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt19/Max_Eisenhardt/th_WonderWoman-Zone-007_zps29935406.jpg

And in the second fight, she doesn't overpower Artemis anywhere. Instead she beats her with, you got it, her skills.

http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt19/Max_Eisenhardt/th_WonderWoman-Zone-014_zpsa825490b.jpghttp://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt19/Max_Eisenhardt/th_WonderWoman-Zone-015_zps048e5c76.jpg

That isn't bigger than the relative performances of a serious Superman and Supergirl against H'el.


http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt19/Max_Eisenhardt/th_Supergirl-Zone-010_zps3783da2b.jpg


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Under the same writer Supergirl and Wonder Woman were direct peers and when she punched H'el, Kara was stronger than ever.

carver9
Originally posted by abhilegend
Orion took several attacks from FB and kept on coming, she was laid out in a single attack. Bloodying FB is no big deal, Ares drew blood here too.

http://i.imgur.com/kdXp0mY.jpg

Hooray, he beats superman too!!!!

All those scratch marks on the First Born are from regular Lions, it took him 7000 years to dig his way out from a deep pit, a tidal wave ended him etc:
http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16781390_06.jpg http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16781391_07.jpg http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16781392_09.jpg http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16781393_16.jpg http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16781394_17.jpg http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16781395_18.jpg http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16781396_19.jpg

Its clear that Azzarello is writing a completely different wonder woman than the rest and this uncuffed wonder woman is more powerful is based on nothing but mis-mashing the works of different writers. Heck, even he hadn't said that uncuffing makes her more powerful.


no expression didn't see anything wrong with this showing, at all. If anything, it is beastly.

-Pr-
So this thread turned out exactly as i'd expected.

Nice lowballing and exaggeration on both sides. Really.

80sBaby
Wonder Woman should win. She's close enough to Clark's physical level (if not above it) that her skill will make up the difference.

I might even give her a slight majority against him with her bracers on.

celeyhyga17
Wondy "uncuffed" really hasn't been all that impressive...

bluewaterrider
Originally posted by -Pr-


So this thread turned out exactly as I'd expected.

Nice lowballing and exaggeration on both sides. Really.




Discernible improvement in relative cordiality, though.

Attacks that would have been mono-focused in the very recent past have been, largely, levied on the board as a whole. At least so far.


Compare how intense and personal things got starting with the 4th post on the first page of the DCnU Strength ranking thread if you want to see a contrast.

SasuOna
First Born would absolutely wreck Superman so saying her uncuffed form did nothing to him isn't proving anything.
Wondy is a better fighter than Superman and she has better feats against people who have made Clark look like a chump

bluewaterrider
Originally posted by celeyhyga17


Wondy "uncuffed" really hasn't been all that impressive ...




I think this has been a device the writers were experimenting with.

Some things DO evolve over time, after all.


For instance, to use an example many people might be familiar with,
the Hulk, back in issue 181, debut of X-Men hero Wolverine,
lightly endured the slashing of Logan's claws, almost without notice.

They were something that seemed to annoy rather than truly hurt.


Fast forward 20 or 30 years.

Logan's claws now score heavily, even on Greg Pak's powerful "World War" Hulk.

Hulk's toughness in battle has been gradually recast from a startling sort of durability to one of damage soak and metahuman healing ability.

Randomly, though, as in the case now of "Indestructible" Hulk, the writers "revert" back to original ideas, or, as might be more proper to term it,
"update" the character with elements from the past.


We have a parallel case here.

Note that there was a long-standing theme in the Wonder Woman mythos, that, if Diana's bracelets were ever removed,
she would become like a berserker, unchained.

The fact was sometimes used as a last ditch recourse to salvage a situation from what would otherwise be an absolutely certain defeat.
That dates back all the way to the 1940s.


Compare to what we see now:
Diana's opponent is a god, a child's life is in danger, few if any innocent bystanders are around, the situation is must-win,
only physical power will decide ... Wondy's "gloves" come off.

It is as if the writers wanted to pay homage to the creators of yesteryear, Easter-Egg longtime fans,
and provide an answer to ol' Sundip kid's trump card.

Then too, they even update it by giving Diana, quite in contrast to the past, ability to control the power she expresses, even in that heightened state.


Personally, I'm rather happy with the overall handling, accidental or not.
There's a great deal I'm finding wrong with the Wonder Woman series, but,
so far, this "uncuff" motif isn't one of them.

-Pr-
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Discernible improvement in relative cordiality, though.

Attacks that would have been mono-focused in the very recent past have been, largely, levied on the board as a whole. At least so far.


Compare how intense and personal things got starting with the 4th post on the first page of the DCnU Strength ranking thread if you want to see a contrast.

To be honest, it's more a "when it happens" than an if, sadly.

abhilegend
Originally posted by 80sBaby
Wonder Woman should win. She's close enough to Clark's physical level (if not above it) that her skill will make up the difference.

I might even give her a slight majority against him with her bracers on.
Then you'd be wrong.Originally posted by SasuOna
First Born would absolutely wreck Superman so saying her uncuffed form did nothing to him isn't proving anything.
Wondy is a better fighter than Superman and she has better feats against people who have made Clark look like a chump
There is only one example thus far and we already know that he's going to beat Doomsday who broke both her arms like twig. Not to mention, here is a direct example of him chumping her.

http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/15217447_111.jpg

Whether FB would beat Superman or not is totally irrelevant, wonder woman didn't beat him either. She just drew a little blood and was knocked out by a simple divebomb. Superman's peer Orion took several attacks and kept on coming. She is going to get bitchslapped again.

wink

abhilegend
Originally posted by carver9
no expression didn't see anything wrong with this showing, at all. If anything, it is beastly.
Heh, drawing a little blood is beastly but dropping H'el to his knees isn't?

Rage.Of.Olympus
I want to say Superman is he's the number one hero but the available evidence compels me to give it to Diana.

Their strength is on the same level regularly but she's far more skilled and if she brings her lasso and sword into the game, Clark doesn't have many counters. I'm assuming this dynamic will change sooner or later though.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Orion took several attacks from FB and kept on coming, she was laid out in a single attack. Bloodying FB is no big deal, Ares drew blood here too.

http://i.imgur.com/kdXp0mY.jpg

Hooray, he beats superman too!!!!

All those scratch marks on the First Born are from regular Lions, it took him 7000 years to dig his way out from a deep pit, a tidal wave ended him etc:
http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16781390_06.jpg http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16781391_07.jpg http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16781392_09.jpg http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16781393_16.jpg http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16781394_17.jpg http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16781395_18.jpg http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16781396_19.jpg

Its clear that Azzarello is writing a completely different wonder woman than the rest and this uncuffed wonder woman is more powerful is based on nothing but mis-mashing the works of different writers. Heck, even he hadn't said that uncuffing makes her more powerful.

Ares struck a downed and wounded First Born who was already bleeding from Diana's attacks. no expression

What is the point of all of those First Born scans? What exactly are you trying to prove? Do they have absolutely any point outside of blatant lowballing? We all know Wonder Woman's Universe operates on a more toned down level but that doesn't change anything relatively.

I don't even understand why a Superman mark like yourself would attempt to do something like this. First Born is a lot stronger then Wonder Woman who is more or less on par with Superman.

iscaremonkeys
LOL superman

80sBaby
Originally posted by abhilegend
Then you'd be wrong.


Doubt it.

Superman hasn't been shown to vastly out-power Diana while she has shown that her skills are capable of giving her the edge against opponents in his weight class.

This isn't Pre-Flashpoint we're talking about.

80sBaby
I'd also like to know when we started taking different writers into account for these showings?

zopzop
Superman.

abhilegend
Originally posted by 80sBaby
Doubt it.

Superman hasn't been shown to vastly out-power Diana while she has shown that her skills are capable of giving her the edge against opponents in his weight class.

This isn't Pre-Flashpoint we're talking about.
That's why he slapped her and took her out of the fight? Or when he rescued her from Darkseid and Ocean Master?

laughing out loudOriginally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I want to say Superman is he's the number one hero but the available evidence compels me to give it to Diana.

Their strength is on the same level regularly but she's far more skilled and if she brings her lasso and sword into the game, Clark doesn't have many counters. I'm assuming this dynamic will change sooner or later though.



Ares struck a downed and wounded First Born who was already bleeding from Diana's attacks. no expression

What is the point of all of those First Born scans? What exactly are you trying to prove? Do they have absolutely any point outside of blatant lowballing? We all know Wonder Woman's Universe operates on a more toned down level but that doesn't change anything relatively.

I don't even understand why a Superman mark like yourself would attempt to do something like this. First Born is a lot stronger then Wonder Woman who is more or less on par with Superman.
You mean the direct comparison making him more powerful than her at least four times in direct comparison?

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/11367812/SM-07-19.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/11367815/SM-07-20.jpg.html

http://i.imgur.com/KQC9Gds.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/4nGh91j.jpg

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/13067013/Superman_Annual-Zone-011.jpg.html

He IS more powerful than her. It has been made clear by Geoff Johns.

SM/WW is the outlier since Soule is writing a very OOC Superman in it


Hahaha, now one punch from WW which made FB bleed a little means he was wounded and downed? You are literally the worst. Guess you didn't see the scans where Ares stopped his punch and make him bleed more than Diana did.

How is she on par with Superman due to one showing under one writer?

To show Lions making him bleed. Diana is as strong as some lions it seems. And Azzarello is the only one who has shown that she gets some sort of power up, you can't use Soule's showings and overlap them on Azzarello's version.

Wonder Woman isn't on par with Superman in strength/power. That has been made clear under every writer save Soule.

Also Superman has already got out of her lasso and she doesn't use her sword on someone in character.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15217447/111.jpg.html

She isn't beating him in direct h2h. Now two way about it.

abhilegend
Originally posted by 80sBaby
I'd also like to know when we started taking different writers into account for these showings? Since always?

Rage.Of.Olympus
Originally posted by abhilegend
You mean the direct comparison making him more powerful than her at least four times in direct comparison?

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/11367812/SM-07-19.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/11367815/SM-07-20.jpg.html

http://i.imgur.com/KQC9Gds.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/4nGh91j.jpg

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/13067013/Superman_Annual-Zone-011.jpg.html

He IS more powerful than her. It has been made clear by Geoff Johns.

SM/WW is the outlier since Soule is writing a very OOC Superman in it

Yes, Superman is more powerful then -regular- Diana. He's more durable, probably has a strength edge and has other powers like heat vision. No one is really doubting that, at least I wasn't. That still doesn't mean he wins in a fight as some of their latest interactions have shown, especially against an unrestrained Wonder Woman.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Hahaha, now one punch from WW which made FB bleed a little means he was wounded and downed? You are literally the worst. Guess you didn't see the scans where Ares stopped his punch and make him bleed more than Diana did.

How is she on par with Superman due to one showing under one writer?

I misremembered him being on the ground but First Born was injured, already bleeding AND had beaten both Orion/Wonder Woman when Ares knocked him over and drew blood:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16502902/4566932.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16502904/1470551.jpg.html

And he didn't palm the punch or anything, more like misdirected it with superior skill. Not sure how that makes him look bad.

Yes, it's ME who's the worst, lol. That's why every person on two different boards things you're an irrational and dumb Superman fanboy, including the irrational and dumb Superman fanboys. laughing out loud

Originally posted by abhilegend
To show Lions making him bleed. Diana is as strong as some lions it seems. And Azzarello is the only one who has shown that she gets some sort of power up, you can't use Soule's showings and overlap them on Azzarello's version.

So blatant lowballing was the only purpose? Lions making a -young- first born bleed have no relevance here.

Do you even see how twisted your logic is? Diana is as strong as some lions? How the f*ck does that even make any sense to you? It has been made abundantly clear that First Born is crazy strong and has ridiculous damage soak. And yes, him being young does make a difference as he's apparently bullet proof now:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16502903/4755003.jpg.html

Azzarello is the only one who has made her remove the bracers. That power up doesn't disappear because Soule rights a Wonder Woman that makes you uncomfortable. What kind of logic is that?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Wonder Woman isn't on par with Superman in strength/power. That has been made clear under every writer save Soule.

Also Superman has already got out of her lasso and she doesn't use her sword on someone in character.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15217447/111.jpg.html

She isn't beating him in direct h2h. Now two way about it.

Wonder Woman is slightly below Superman in strength to a varying degree even under Soule I'd wager. That doesn't change who wins the fight and the fact that this isn't regular Wonder Woman.

I don't know why she wouldn't as I've seen her swinging her sword around pretty often. She doesn't need to kill Clark, just win. He got out of it, yes, I'm not saying it's a one-shot win or something, it never has been. It's just something that would help immensely, especially if used right.

I think it's been made pretty clear recently that even regular Wonder Woman beating Superman in hand to hand is very much possible due to the sheer skill gap.

abhilegend
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Yes, Superman is more powerful then -regular- Diana. He's more durable, probably has a strength edge and has other powers like heat vision. No one is really doubting that, at least I wasn't. "Probably"? Hahaha. See the interaction between Darkseid/WW and Darkseid/Superman to see the strength difference. Here let me help you.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Interesting to see what Blue thinks of this. Wonder Woman couldn't even make Darkseid budge from behind with the lasso around his neck who then overpowered her with one hand.

http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/11073419_JusticeLeague_6_TheGroup_006.jpg http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/11073422_JusticeLeague_6_TheGroup_007.jpg http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/11073423_JusticeLeague_6_TheGroup_010.jpg http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/11073427_JusticeLeague_6_TheGroup_011.jpg http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/11073429_JusticeLeague_6_TheGroup_012.jpg http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/11073430_JusticeLeague_6_TheGroup_013.jpg http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/11073434_JusticeLeague_6_TheGroup_014.jpg

"We need you. We need Superman."

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/11073454/JusticeLeague_6_TheGroup_015.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/11073456/JusticeLeague_6_TheGroup_016.jpg.html

mmm Where the **** did Superman was compared to an uncuffed WW? If you're really comparing Azzarello's version to Superman, he would be even more durable than her bracers.

http://i.imgur.com/fzOwqvJ.jpg

vs

http://i.imgur.com/pK2zF39.jpg

But let me guess, that doesn't count, right?

He was bloodied a little by Diana, stop exaggerating shit. Orion didn't draw any blood at all and he took his attacks better than Diana too.

Seriously?

Definitely, if you can't even look at the scans. Yeah, because I totally care about what some people on internet think about me. You got me bro!



More like showing those stories are incompatible with larger DCU. Cutlery doing it?



Not cutlery proof it seems.

Now you get it. Of course it does. No other writer has even implied she gets a power up when removing her bracers.



The good thing is this that this isn't Soule WW, its Azzarello wonder woman and Soule isn't the only one who is writing Superman. Under Diggle Superman pretty much oneshotted her.

Ares has taught her to only draw sword to kill, its established as a fact. So no matter if its totally useless against him in the past, its still useful? Hahaha, WTF?

When she couldn't even beat Faora even after donning a special suit? Wonder Woman getting a good showing doesn't eradicate last three years of showings especially seeing how Superman is going to kill Doomsday again just a few months later from now. Remember what doomsday did to Diana?

Rage.Of.Olympus
Originally posted by abhilegend
"Probably"? Hahaha. See the interaction between Darkseid/WW and Darkseid/Superman to see the strength difference. Here let me help you.

1. I already pointed out Superman was stronger.

2. Nothing in those scans show any large physical disparity. Wonder Woman doesn't even physically wrestle with Darkseid at any point there.

You need to take a step back and collect your thoughts.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Where the **** did Superman was compared to an uncuffed WW? If you're really comparing Azzarello's version to Superman, he would be even more durable than her bracers.

http://i.imgur.com/fzOwqvJ.jpg

vs

http://i.imgur.com/pK2zF39.jpg

But let me guess, that doesn't count, right?

I doubt that.

Why wouldn't it count? And Superman CAUGHT the bullet so I'm not really sure what that proves?

Not that Superman has Eros' guns lying around or something.

Originally posted by abhilegend
He was bloodied a little by Diana, stop exaggerating shit. Orion didn't draw any blood at all and he took his attacks better than Diana too.

Seriously?

Definitely, if you can't even look at the scans. Yeah, because I totally care about what some people on internet think about me. You got me bro!

How am I exaggerating? I posted the scans for you, First Born was bleeding and injured already when Ares attacked him. And had fought two DCnU elites back to back. Using his encounter with Ares to paint him negatively in light of that is just misinformation and lowballing.

No, I'm joking. no expression Look at the movement, he parried the punch to the side, he didn't palm it. That looks less like strength and more like skill. I could be wrong but that's definitely how I view it. Especially based on their respective strength levels.

You definitely seem to based on how often you resort to discussing people's worth in internet standing.

Originally posted by abhilegend
More like showing those stories are incompatible with larger DCU. Cutlery doing it?

Not cutlery proof it seems.

Now you get it. Of course it does. No other writer has even implied she gets a power up when removing her bracers.

Why wouldn't they be incompatable? It working in a more toned down Universe has no relevance on relative power as the Orion crossover and Superman/Wonder Woman have indicated.

Now you're trying to invalidate the entire Wonder Woman comic from usage? erm Lol, damn, you really are desperate. laughing out loud

Stop lowballing, Apollo and Strife were the one cutting him to pieces. Again, this is shit that should be noted as we know First Born is apparently bullet proof and his damage soak is still crazy as seen recently in his fight with Apollo.

What kind of logic is that? Has any other writer shown her removing the bracers and NOT getting a boost? If not, in the DCnU as established right now, removing the bracers gives her a large power boost.

Your thinking doesn't even make sense here.

Originally posted by abhilegend
The good thing is this that this isn't Soule WW, its Azzarello wonder woman and Soule isn't the only one who is writing Superman. Under Diggle Superman pretty much oneshotted her.

Ares has taught her to only draw sword to kill, its established as a fact. So no matter if its totally useless against him in the past, its still useful? Hahaha, WTF?

When she couldn't even beat Faora even after donning a special suit? Wonder Woman getting a good showing doesn't eradicate last three years of showings especially seeing how Superman is going to kill Doomsday again just a few months later from now. Remember what doomsday did to Diana?

What are you even talking about? Uncuffed Wonder Woman doesn't mean we can't use other evidence to support her strength level. When did you became a moderator that you get to dictate what is and is not usable as evidence?

It'd be one thing if these two writers were writing a Wonder Woman from a different era or something but these guys are handling the same Wonder Woman at the same time.

You just posted scans of Wonder Woman using her sword to injure instead of kill.

What does "special suit" mean? It converts physical damage into energy but it does nothing else as far as I know. She couldn't beat Faora but she wasn't at full power and in the same comic a weakened Zod f*cked Superman up. Using that comic as a reference, she'd still beat up Superman in hand to hand.

Now we're talking about what Superman may or may not do months later?

Yeah, I think this is going to be my last post on the matter as I don't see this conversation going any other way except you getting progressively more irrational in an attempt to defend Superman. You get so riled up at the idea of Wonder Woman beating Superman. laughing out loud

abhilegend
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
1. I already pointed out Superman was stronger.

2. Nothing in those scans show any large physical disparity. Wonder Woman doesn't even physically wrestle with Darkseid at any point there. So you think this isn't physically wrestling?

http://i.imgur.com/eugOSDu.jpg

I mean there is stupidity and there is stupidity.

Hahaha. Oh boy. The irony.



Well, its you after all.

The bullet hit Superman, he was durable enough to withstand it. That's what the scene suggests.

Him being more durable than her bracers is lulzworthy.



In every way? What? I posted the scans on the first page. All he endured was a bloody lip from Diana's attack. He wasn't weakened anywhere/ Ares drawing blood with a punch shows Diana being able to draw blood is merely another top tier showing, nothing else. Uncuffed Wonder Woman has no showings that tells that she can beat Superman h2h. Like I posted, Superman dropping H'el to his knees is a far better showing. Supergirl broke her hands on his chest.

That's not how it looks but whatever.

Really? Where?



Different writers. Not in Azzarello's book.

Nope, just the implication that Wonder Woman's showings from SM/WW transfer to Azzarello version.

So? Stop the presses, he's bulletproof!!!!

Two negatives don't make a positive. Which makes her slightly below Orion in comparison. Good thing Superman is more powerful than Orion in direct comparison.

Hahaha.



We can, but the direct showing matters far more. Wonder Woman has not been measured against Superman in uncuffed form. Never. I do have common sense though.

Both far different in approach. You'd be blind not to see it.

Before she was taught by Ares.

So it absorbs physical damage and you think its nothing? She wasn't at full power? Why? Also Zod's skill+strength combo was too much for Superman. She never outperformed Zod in anything. Using Zod as measure is meaningless. She isn't as strong as him to have taht much affect.

"May or may not"? Hahaha. "Beating doomsday is only the start of this never ending battle." What do you think that means? Superman loses to doomsday? I bet he doesn't gets his arms broken trying to block his punch. Wanna bet?

Superior Venom beats Thor in one issue. Does that means he is going to beat him forever untill the next rematch?

smile

Rage.Of.Olympus
I missed that panel, my bad. Darkseid indeed comes off stronger then Diana there.

Although in the same comic we later see him tossing Superman with one arm as well so I don't think it actually proves any superiority on his part:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/11073456/JusticeLeague_6_TheGroup_016.jpg.html

The suits converted physical damage to power, it didn't absorb and negate physical damage. How does that make sense as we see them getting beat up by Zod/Faora?

Actually, I re-read the comic and Superman seems to have caught Eros' bullet in his palm. Why would you think the scene implies that he was durable enough to withstand it when he gets shot and she rushes over to him worried that he got hit as he falls over? Especially since the bullet is not dented or anything, implying it never struck.

The rest is more of the same so just copy/paste my other answers.

abhilegend
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I missed that panel, my bad. Darkseid indeed comes off stronger then Diana there.

Although in the same comic we later see him tossing Superman with one arm as well so I don't think it actually proves any superiority on his part:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/11073456/JusticeLeague_6_TheGroup_016.jpg.html

The suits converted physical damage to power, it didn't absorb and negate physical damage. How does that make sense as we see them getting beat up by Zod/Faora?

Actually, I re-read the comic and Superman seems to have caught Eros' bullet in his palm. Why would you think the scene implies that he was durable enough to withstand it when he gets shot and she rushes over to him worried that he got hit as he falls over? Especially since the bullet is not dented or anything, implying it never struck.

The rest is more of the same so just copy/paste my other answers.
Tossing superman with one hand? You really can't look at pictures,can you? That's Hal rescuing Superman. Superman rescued her and it was him who was stated to making Darkseid at bay singlehandedly. He looked vastly stronger than her, anybody arguing otherwise is stupid.

i.imgur.com/md0jiTo.jpg

Not to mention directly rescuing her from Ocean Master and stated as more powerful than her again.

i.imgur.com/Lts4c3N.jpg

The suits disappeared after the blast. They were only taking damage on their face. How does someone converts damage into energy? The suits were absorbing the kinetic energy of the punches.

It was caught head first, when Diana tried to block it, it breached the bracers. Superman was caught off guard with no superspeed mentioned to catch the bullet. If he had tried to catch it, it would've pierced his hand as magical bullets do to him. See pandora's bullets.

laughing out loud

Anyway, Superman punching H'el to his knees shits on anything uncuffed Diana has done.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Also compare and contrast.

Even in the first scene Wonder Woman flung Artemis aside.

http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt19/Max_Eisenhardt/th_WonderWoman-Zone-003_zpsa680a568.jpghttp://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt19/Max_Eisenhardt/th_WonderWoman-Zone-004_zpscf0a31b6.jpghttp://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt19/Max_Eisenhardt/th_WonderWoman-Zone-007_zps29935406.jpg

And in the second fight, she doesn't overpower Artemis anywhere. Instead she beats her with, you got it, her skills.

http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt19/Max_Eisenhardt/th_WonderWoman-Zone-014_zpsa825490b.jpghttp://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt19/Max_Eisenhardt/th_WonderWoman-Zone-015_zps048e5c76.jpg

That isn't bigger than the relative performances of a serious Superman and Supergirl against H'el.


http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt19/Max_Eisenhardt/th_Supergirl-Zone-010_zps3783da2b.jpg


http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt19/Max_Eisenhardt/th_2013-02-2008-36-33-Supergirl17-006_zpsf93f5ab6.jpghttp://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt19/Max_Eisenhardt/th_2013-02-2008-36-35-Supergirl17-007_zps3fb10132.jpg

Under the same writer Supergirl and Wonder Woman were direct peers and when she punched H'el, Kara was stronger than ever.

Supergirl and WW were pretty much equals in strength.

Rage.Of.Olympus
Originally posted by abhilegend
Tossing superman with one hand? You really can't look at pictures,can you? That's Hal rescuing Superman. Superman rescued her and it was him who was stated to making Darkseid at bay singlehandedly. He looked vastly stronger than her, anybody arguing otherwise is stupid.

i.imgur.com/md0jiTo.jpg

Not to mention directly rescuing her from Ocean Master and stated as more powerful than her again.

i.imgur.com/Lts4c3N.jpg

The suits disappeared after the blast. They were only taking damage on their face. How does someone converts damage into energy? The suits were absorbing the kinetic energy of the punches.

He was ragdolling Superman with one hand, how is that any better then what Darkseid was doing to Diana?

No one is denying that it was implied Superman was the big gun. You however aren't talking about implications and are trying to analyze direct comparisons.

Again, Superman IS more powerful then -regular- Diana. NO ONE is denying that. Christ.

What? We see them being struck against the body and it hurting. I don't know how the magical comic god suits work, but it doesn't negate physical damage either.

Originally posted by abhilegend
It was caught head first, when Diana tried to block it, it breached the bracers. Superman was caught off guard with no superspeed mentioned to catch the bullet. If he had tried to catch it, it would've pierced his hand as magical bullets do to him. See pandora's bullets.

So unless Superman's super speed is mentioned, we can assume he didn't catch the bullet? How does that even make sense to you?

What? You're saying that Superman didn't catch the bullet but you think he'd have gotten pierced like Pandora's bullets?

laughing out loud

You do realize that you originally posted the feat to argue that Superman > Diana's bracers. Yet here you're saying that Eros' bullet would in fact have pierced him as well. no expression Then what was your point in posting that scene in the first place?

God damn, you can't even keep track of your own bullshit.

abhilegend
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
He was ragdolling Superman with one hand, how is that any better then what Darkseid was doing to Diana? He was in a bearhug, not ragdolling with one hand. God damnit man.

Direct comparison is that he rescued her.

And do you have any comparison between uncuffed Diana and Superman? I have one where she looks beneath Orion who is himself beneath Superman.

They looked just fine when the suit disappeared. Not a scratch on them except on their faces.



Superman fell to the ground without anything? I didn't know he falls on ground when he catches a bullet.

You seem confused. Reread what I said.

Heh, funny coming from you. Anyway what do you think of the comparison?

80sBaby
I was going to respond to you, abhi, but Rage is doing a good job dismantling your "argument," so it'd be redundant.

Carry on.

zopzop
I find it hilarious that people think Wonder Woman can take Superman based on like a two showings where it SEEMED like she did better than him against an opponent.

Give it a month or so and he'll back hand her into unconsciousness then the WW crowd can go scurry under the rocks where they came from. laughing

celeyhyga17
Originally posted by zopzop
I find it hilarious that people think Wonder Woman can take Superman based on like a two showings where it SEEMED like she did better than him against an opponent.
Give it a month or so and he'll back hand her into unconsciousness then the WW crowd can go scurry under the rocks where they came from. laughing
Ouch!
laughing
Cue in Bluewaterrider and Q99...

abhilegend
Originally posted by 80sBaby
I was going to respond to you, abhi, but Rage is doing a good job dismantling your "argument," so it'd be redundant.

Carry on.
Dismantling? Hahaha.Originally posted by zopzop
I find it hilarious that people think Wonder Woman can take Superman based on like a two showings where it SEEMED like she did better than him against an opponent.

Give it a month or so and he'll back hand her into unconsciousness then the WW crowd can go scurry under the rocks where they came from. laughing
Speaking of which, Dr. Light oneshotted WW by absorbing a tiny portion of Superman's power.

http://i.imgur.com/jvC9i6a.jpg

After which a drained and later revealed kryptonite weakened Superman oneshot killed Dr. Light.

http://i.imgur.com/sGLWM9f.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/UMbbT1R.jpg

So a tiny portion of Superman's power>>WW?

mmm

80sBaby
You've got to be just trolling at this point.

abhilegend
LOLWUT? How's that trolling? Dr. Light blasts her and then she disappears from the rest of the issue while everyone is shocked at Superman killing Dr. Light. Let me guess, she was just chilling somehwere and Superman was just screaming get away from her for shits and giggles?

carver9
I can understand if Doctor light was powerless, but he has powers of his own. Him adding a portion of Superman power to his own doesn't make Superman more powerful than Diana. WTF man.

abhilegend
Originally posted by carver9
I can understand if Doctor light was powerless, but he has powers of his own. Him adding a portion of Superman power to his own doesn't make Superman more powerful than Diana. WTF man.
Dr. Light was overloaded by Superman's proximity and he blasted her with that extra power, he doesn't go blasting people on his own. Hell, he outright states before blasting her why he was overloaded and shoot her with that blast FFS. Anyway a kryptonite weakened, drained Superman oneshot killed him after he oneshotted wonder woman when the guy is an active energy absorber with an energy attack. Its a stupidly high end feat.

carver9
Again, Doctor Light dropping her with an AMPED attack of his own (we don't even know how much power Superman gave him), isn't a sign of power in Superman favor. Don't know how you came up with that conclusion. Now, if Superman blasted her himself, THEN you'll have a point, but...

abhilegend
Originally posted by carver9
Again, Doctor Light dropping her with an AMPED attack of his own (we don't even know how much power Superman gave him), isn't a sign of power in Superman favor. Don't know how you came up with that conclusion. Now, if Superman blasted her himself, THEN you'll have a point, but...
I'll make it clear since you are being your usual self.

1. Dr. Light got overloaded by Superman's proximity.

2. He blasts Wonder Woman with that extra power.

3. He returns to normal.

4. Superman weakened, kills him in one attack while he was still absorbing power.

How does that mean he was using his own power when it was Superman's power which overloaded him? Do you know what an overload means? Honestly?

celeyhyga17
Originally posted by abhilegend
Dismantling? Hahaha.
Speaking of which, Dr. Light oneshotted WW by absorbing a tiny portion of Superman's power.

http://i.imgur.com/jvC9i6a.jpg

After which a drained and later revealed kryptonite weakened Superman oneshot killed Dr. Light.

http://i.imgur.com/sGLWM9f.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/UMbbT1R.jpg

So a tiny portion of Superman's power>>WW?

mmm
Originally posted by abhilegend
LOLWUT? How's that trolling? Dr. Light blasts her and then she disappears from the rest of the issue while everyone is shocked at Superman killing Dr. Light. Let me guess, she was just chilling somehwere and Superman was just screaming get away from her for shits and giggles?
Let me get this out of the way first. Even as an avid follower of Wondy's New 52 book, I still say she looses uncuffed. Wondy really has done nothing to show that she can beat a serious Clark. IMO at least. With that said.... Abhi, please just stop with your lies.

Diana was right back up on the very next page after your last scan. She was engaged in a sword battle against Katana from Justice League of America. Their fight is clearly depicted on the next two pages... You could have chosen from a plethora of other showings, but instead you went on ahead and blatantly lied to reinforce your position.. sad

Furthermore I agree with Carver(heaven help me). If she was truly one shotted by Dr. Light, it's too inconclusive to even begin to say things like tiny portion of Supe's power >> WW.. That's being ridiculous.

abhilegend
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Let me get this out of the way first. Even as an avid follower of Wondy's New 52 book, I still say she looses uncuffed. Wondy really has done nothing to show that she can beat a serious Clark. IMO at least. With that said.... Abhi, please just stop with your lies.

Diana was right back up on the very next page after your last scan. She was engaged in a sword battle against Katana from Justice League of America. Their fight is clearly depicted on the next two pages... You could have chosen from a plethora of other showings, but instead you went on ahead and blatantly lied to reinforce your position.. sad

Furthermore I agree with Carver(heaven help me). If she was truly one shotted by Dr. Light, it's too inconclusive to even begin to say things like tiny portion of Supe's power >> WW.. That's being ridiculous.
Glad you agree that Superman wins bro.thumb up

What are you talking about? That scene is from Justice League 22, JL vs JLA happened in Justice League of America 6 or something, she wasn't shown in the heroes who were shocked to see superman kill. Couple with the fact that Superman actually took Light away from her, its clear she was at least incapacitated.

Its not inconclusive at all. Light overloaded from the power FROM superman and that was the power he couldn't control. A drained Superman oneshot killing him in itself is a reminder how powerful he is compared to her. Let me see her kill someone with raw power in oneshot who at least incapacitates him while weakened by kryptonite Atomica placed in his eye and the power drain. This "Wonder Woman is close to superman in power cuffed so she must be more powerful than him uncuffed" is pretty stupid.

carver9
Can someone point me in the direction where it states Doc Light was overloaded? Did I miss something? It appears he couldn't control his powers.

abhilegend
Originally posted by carver9
Can someone point me in the direction where it states Doc Light was overloaded? Did I miss something? It appears he couldn't control his powers.
Seriously? ****ing seriously?

http://i.imgur.com/EAZEsjc.jpg

English, do you read it?

DarkSaint85
Abhi, it clearly states he couldn't.

But couldn't what?

My guess is poop. Because I am infantile like that.

carver9
Originally posted by abhilegend
Seriously? ****ing seriously?

http://i.imgur.com/EAZEsjc.jpg

English, do you read it?

Can you read? Where does it say he was overloaded? He can't what? Control his power (and he couldn't, the guy blasted WW without trying to)?

abhilegend
facepalm

Someone help this guy. "Superman is a solar battery, I can't, can't" while he's glowing from absorbing energy.

Better yet someone post the synopsis of how Dr. Light was killed, we've got some kindergarten kids to teach. I mean, good God!

dial J for Josh
Ahbi is right this was from Trinity war I read it. His body was responding to Kals solar aura, and as a result he lost control. Then afterwards Kal was corrupted by Pandora's box which resulted to him killing Dr. Light.

celeyhyga17
Originally posted by abhilegend
Glad you agree that Superman wins bro.thumb up

What are you talking about? That scene is from Justice League 22, JL vs JLA happened in Justice League of America 6 or something, she wasn't shown in the heroes who were shocked to see superman kill. Couple with the fact that Superman actually took Light away from her, its clear she was at least incapacitated.
Just agree with me on this one. I'm not sure whether you actually believe what you're saying, or you are feigning an honest mistake now so you can save face later. Either way you are digging a deeper hole for yourself.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Its not inconclusive at all. Light overloaded from the power FROM superman and that was the power he couldn't control. A drained Superman oneshot killing him in itself is a reminder how powerful he is compared to her. Let me see her kill someone with raw power in oneshot who at least incapacitates him while weakened by kryptonite Atomica placed in his eye and the power drain. This "Wonder Woman is close to superman in power cuffed so she must be more powerful than him uncuffed" is pretty stupid.
One... Good job on using a nubile, fresh off the newly super-powered boat to use as a gauge on Superman's power. Dr. Light after all is the epitome of durability. Amirite? wink

Two... He was clearly bracing for a killshot from a goody two shoe superhero. I mean everyone knows Clark is a known killer. smokin'

Three.. So there is no way a serious Wonder Woman can kill a villain with the same level of power.. Err...

abhilegend
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Just agree with me on this one. I'm not sure whether you actually believe what you're saying, or you are feigning an honest mistake now so you can save face later. Either way you are digging a deeper hole for yourself. So no argument there. That's what I thought.


He is such a good energy absorber that he could siphon off superman's power without even knowing, yet Superman killed him via energy. Its not about durability, its about power which takes to kill an energy manipulator via energy.

He was already siphoning off Superman's power, no reason to think he wasn't doing it when he was killed.

Huh?

celeyhyga17
Originally posted by abhilegend
So no argument there. That's what I thought.
So why did you lie?

Originally posted by abhilegend
He is such a good energy absorber that he could siphon off superman's power without even knowing, yet Superman killed him via energy. Its not about durability, its about power which takes to kill an energy manipulator via energy.
So Dr. Light accidentally siphoning off from Kal then accidentally shooting Diana which in turn momentarily knocks her off her feet is a showing of Supe's power >> WW. Which brings me back to you lying about WW getting one-shotted.embarrasment
And what the hell are you babbling about the energy it takes to kill an energy manipulator? Hello anybody home? Dr. Light doesn't even have full control of his powers at this point in time. Dude was fresh off an accident.
Originally posted by abhilegend
He was already siphoning off Superman's power, no reason to think he wasn't doing it when he was killed.

Who's disagreeing with you there? And again to reiterate my previous point.. Dude was a phukin rookie.

abhilegend
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
So why did you lie? What lie?


Off her feet? Guess she stood up on the next page or in the same comic anywhere, right?
And that means somehow his already active absorption of Superman's energy was somehow stopped? Wow.

What's your point? He was a rookie, he was still a very powerful energy manipulator who was siphoning off Superman's power enough to oneshot WW.

carver9
Hahahahahaha

celeyhyga17
Originally posted by abhilegend
What lie?


Off her feet? Guess she stood up on the next page or in the same comic anywhere, right?
And that means somehow his already active absorption of Superman's energy was somehow stopped? Wow.

What's your point? He was a rookie, he was still a very powerful energy manipulator who was siphoning off Superman's power enough to oneshot WW.
All I can say is wow!

The depths in which you are willing to go to just so you don't concede a loosing point is baffling. Mind boggling actually.

SamZED
Looking at the scans it seems to me Light was just powered up because Supes presence amped his own powers. I wouldn't use it as a proof that fraction of Superman's powers > Wonder Woman. IMO.

carver9
Originally posted by SamZED
Looking at the scans it seems to me Light was just powered up because Supes presence amped his own powers. I wouldn't use it as a proof that fraction of Superman's powers > Wonder Woman. IMO.

thumb up

celeyhyga17
Should have done this over 10 posts ago. These are the very next 2 pages after Abhi's scans.

http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/Random/JusticeLeague2011-022-028_zps560abcc8.jpg
http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/Random/JusticeLeague2011-022-029_zpsf53b63ef.jpg

According to him Wondy was one-shotted and was gone for the rest of the issue.

80sBaby
Originally posted by abhilegend
LOLWUT? How's that trolling? Dr. Light blasts her and then she disappears from the rest of the issue while everyone is shocked at Superman killing Dr. Light. Let me guess, she was just chilling somehwere and Superman was just screaming get away from her for shits and giggles?

Considering your posts on this thread, you're either:

A. Trolling
B. Completely delusional
C. A moron.

I decided to give you the benefit of the doubt.

80sBaby
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Should have done this over 10 posts ago. These are the very next 2 pages after Abhi's scans.

http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/Random/JusticeLeague2011-022-028_zps560abcc8.jpg
http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/Random/JusticeLeague2011-022-029_zpsf53b63ef.jpg

According to him Wondy was one-shotted and was gone for the rest of the issue.

Smh. That's just pitiful.

celeyhyga17
Originally posted by 80sBaby
Smh. That's just pitiful. thumb up

Silent Master
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Should have done this over 10 posts ago. These are the very next 2 pages after Abhi's scans.

http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/Random/JusticeLeague2011-022-028_zps560abcc8.jpg
http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/Random/JusticeLeague2011-022-029_zpsf53b63ef.jpg

According to him Wondy was one-shotted and was gone for the rest of the issue.

Looks like abhi has been caught in another lie making yet another mistake.

It's funny how his mistakes are always in Superman's favor.

-Pr-
Wonder Woman wasn't "one-shotted".

Superman overcharged Light, then killed him even though he was weakened.

All right? Now, please, move on. It's not even relevant to the thread.

abhilegend
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
All I can say is wow!

The depths in which you are willing to go to just so you don't concede a loosing point is baffling. Mind boggling actually.
You say that practically every time.Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Should have done this over 10 posts ago. These are the very next 2 pages after Abhi's scans.

http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/Random/JusticeLeague2011-022-028_zps560abcc8.jpg
http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/Random/JusticeLeague2011-022-029_zpsf53b63ef.jpg

According to him Wondy was one-shotted and was gone for the rest of the issue.
My mistake. I missed the small panel and her fighting in the background. Anyway, that doesn't means anything as we don't see when she entered the fight as Atomica was already shouting for them to stop.Originally posted by 80sBaby
Considering your posts on this thread, you're either:

A. Trolling
B. Completely delusional
C. A moron.

I decided to give you the benefit of the doubt.
Wow, an internet strongman! How amusing.Originally posted by Silent Master
Looks like abhi has been caught in another lie making yet another mistake.

It's funny how his mistakes are always in Superman's favor.
Rage made the same mistake just one page ago. I don't see anybody telling him that. Its one small panel and background fighting after some time was already passed.Originally posted by -Pr-
Wonder Woman wasn't "one-shotted".

Superman overcharged Light, then killed him even though he was weakened.

All right? Now, please, move on. It's not even relevant to the thread.
Ok.

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