Originally posted by Stealth Moose
So by your own admission, if all magic is fundamentally different, we can't say for certain of AK would even work against magical beings from another world, and doubtful that anything from the Potterverse could harm the One Ring.
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Uruk-hai are innately magical beings bred from orcs who are former elves and humans. They might have resistance to magic, hence the White Hand they put on their faces.
But you haven't shown how AK could hit the team, much less kill them since they are effectively immortal. LEARN LOAR NOOB.
But AK is a projectile, which means you now have to prove that Volemoet's accuracy is superior to Legolas'.
Gandalf and Elrond helped Arwen's spell. Watch the movie again. So that's like three magic badasses using circumstance (magic water, duh) to overcome wraiths on mortal horses. It's like you're not even trying.
As for Aragorn, he is using Numenorean fire, which you'd know if you read the script.
No, it just means he's slow compared to the Witch King, who is stated to be a badass. He is faster than Legolas (fact) and therefore you have to prove that Voldemoet is faster than Legolas, which you can't. So team wins.
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No, he spammed it instantly. The fact that Gandalf survived at all is because his shield tanked it for a good amount of time, proof that Gandalf can tank Volemoet's charge up ability. So Voldemoet's basically the Archer class from FF Tactics.
Yeah, because he used TK instantly, which Gandalf can do too. So thanks for proving that Gandalf can TK Voldemoet's wand away or punch him in the balls or trip him or make him spin while Sauron showers uber black shit on him.
You can't prove that they don't have near limitless amounts of energy. I mean, when do we ever see them run out? Never. Exactly. Facts.
You don't have to confess to me.
Nonsense.
So Voldemoet couldn't defeat it without charging up and after it took hundreds of attacks? Wow, he sucks.
Hey, maybe Voldemoet can have hundreds of mooks to help him with this fight. Still loses though.
Survey sez... NOPE.
But we see wizards can TK their magical wands/staves without issue in LotR. So it's logical to assume they can and would TK his wand the second he brandishes it. And you already admitted they don't need prep time for that so you concede.
That's Gandalf the Grey. Are you color blind?
Don't talk to yourself. It makes people wary.
Then why did he get hit?
K. Relevance?
Because he fortuitously slashed the slowly moving hand of Sauron in a situation that wouldn't normally happen with a magically enchanted uber sword.
K.
So do you think Isildur could fight Voldemoet? After all, according to your hare-brained logic, Isildur >>> Sauron, because mundane victory that was a fluke but we don't count that.
http://img.pandawhale.com/79100-octopus-nope-gif-pdSL.gif All the magical abilities still work but the power or magnitude of all magic isn't the same or equal to. You want to equalize all magic. I am saying all abilities still work but you need to prove which is more powerful based off feats and portrayals.
Prove it. Anyone with a sword can kill them. They can't resist swords. You are trying to say without proof that Legolas's arrows are magical. That's called a baseless claim. You then retort with another baseless claim like it is proof. Prove these so called magical beings can tank a physical weapon better than anyone else in the movie. We see a dwarf easily rack up the body count on these lemmings. They go down by scores against any skilled opponent they face not just elvish weapons.
That wasn't my point. We were addressing the power of the attacks. Arrows have to be used with skill and placed correctly to kill. Ak just has to hit or touch you. I accept your concession.
I don't have to but for hilarity's sake all he has to do is disarm Legolas with tk and use Crucio on him. We see slower orcs without ranged attacks throw him around and close the gap quite easily.
They were not even present. Yet another baseless claim that two beings not present and no reference to in the film somehow aided her. Unsubstantiated nonsense.
Point out in the film where anything alludes to this being special fire. It doesn't matter since Voldemort's magical fire feats are much more impressive than a simple torch but its hysterical all your defenses rest on the laughable premise its special Lotr magic without anything to back this up.
The Witch King took over ten seconds while Gandalf stood by and helplessly watched. This isn't rocket science. Another magical Wielder crushed him. Every magical opponent he had all attacked first and he tried to counter. He lost to Saruman initially and then to Sauron as well. He did block an arrow while blinding his foes with light but these foes didn't possess magical abilities like Voldemort has at his disposal.
He fired it instantly just like Voldemort used his energy attacks. Gandalf's shields have no proven resistance whereas the Hogwarts shield does. It took time to break the shield just like Voldemort. Want me to time it out and see who took longer ?
I will do so.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lpqIDQI3Gqw
14 seconds to 52 seconds in the video it took him to break through the shield. This makes it a grand total of 38 seconds.
Now let's take a glance at Voldemort's scene and how long it takes him.
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1 second in until 24 seconds is how long he attacks the shield. This makes for a grand total of 23 seconds. Also keep in mind the enormity of this shield compared to Gandalf 's smaller shield with no proven resistance. You're bad at this.
Voldemort has never had his wand tk'd away. Gandalf has so acting like you have evidence is hilarious. I have direct evidence tk can take away his staff in combat. You have nothing to assert it can happen to Voldemort since it never has.
We see Gandalf's energy run out in the clip I posted. We don't ever see Voldemort's energy run out so by your own logic he also has near limitless energy unlike Gandalf. We will see Sauron soon and how he holds up when help arrives.
You say nonsense I say prove he has. If you can't then you have to concede. Nonsense doesn't counter my point.
This shield was both more massive and had proven resistance unlike the smaller unproven shield it took a longer time to break through.
Saying survey says nope isn't a retort.
No one has ever tk'd his wand away whereas we have seen the same thing happen to Gandalf so its much more likely for it to occur to Gandalf. I have evidence to support my assertion you don't.
Having superior reflexes doesn't mean you don't get touched it means you will win. He did win.
The relevance is Gandalf will get hit by magical attacks since he has every time he has faced a magical user. Voldemort isn't some jackass with a bow and arrow.
It still occurred so you can't dismiss it. Voldemort is far more powerful than that sword. Feats.
I don't think Isildur could ever beat Voldemort. He did beat Sauron.
