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We have seen pretty many sith rituals, like the thought bomb, exar kun becoming a spirit, sidious and dooku playing mind games on yoda. So what do you think is the most powerful sith ritual in history?

Probably the one Vitiate was going to use to lifewipe the Galaxy. That or the ritual to make a star explode.

I'm afraid I'll have to go with Vitiate's ritual as well.

It is probably that one yes. The only one comparable is the one Sidious and Plagueis performed to unbalance the Force.

Didn't Tenebrous's Master do that? ^ or are you referring to something else?

Sidious and Plagueis perform this big ritual that takes like, a month that tilts the Force towards the dark side.

Oh yeah, I forgot about that one. Sidious and Plagueis turning the force towards the Dark side. There's also that one ritual Sidious did during the comic Sithis, where it affected the whole galaxy.

Originally posted by The Merchant
Oh yeah, I forgot about that one. Sidious and Plagueis turning the force towards the Dark side. There's also that one ritual Sidious did during the comic Sithis, where it affected the whole galaxy.
Sidious performed a ritual during the events of Clone Wars with which he influenced Jedi on galactic scale for a brief period. Sidious's primary focus was on Anakin though and he managed to tap in to Anakin's inner darkness.

Whatever the hell Simus used to make his head live on after losing a sword fight.

Don't know if that was a ritual per se.

It's something messed up.

It might even be species specific. Perhaps any pureblood Sith could learn it.

Sidious and Plagueis by far. Their ritual not only allowed them to tilt the force, but also lead to the creation of the being with the greatest force potential in history.

Force drain.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Sidious and Plagueis by far. Their ritual not only allowed them to tilt the force, but also lead to the creation of the being with the greatest force potential in history.

1. "Tilting" the force and making the Jedi feel the dark side isn't quite the same as draining an entire planet and becoming immortal.

2. They did not create Anakin, that's still speculation.

Originally posted by psmith81992
1. "Tilting" the force and making the Jedi feel the dark side isn't quite the same as draining an entire planet and becoming immortal.

Correct, it's vastly more impressive. Vitiate's ritual involved hundreds/thousands of other Sith Lord participants and other Force users have planetary-level feats.

What Sidious and Plagueis did was manipulate the Force on a cosmic scale; which is unprecedented. The only act of Vitiate's that even remotely compares is his planned ritual to one-shot the galaxy. But his feat with Nathema is inconsequential in comparison.

They didn't do anything other than make the Jedi feel the dark side. If your argument is "cosmic scale" rather than impressiveness, then you're right. But consuming the life force of an entire planet is more impressive in my mind.

As I said, other Force users have planetary-level feats. In fact, other Sith Lords have shown the ability to drain planets.

What Sidious & Plagueis did with the Force is exponentially more impressive: bringing about a cosmological shift in the universal Force to achieve their ends. The only thing of Vitiate's that comes close is his plot to kill galactic life.

Nathema, Byss, and Katarr are footnotes at best in comparison.

A shift is all it was. It didn't have actual affect on the galaxy. If anything was more impressive, it was what Tenebrous' master did. But again, killing millions on one planet to me is more impressive than a ritual that as far as 99% of the galaxy is concerned, didn't affect anyone.

Nah. Again, Plagueis and Sidious manipulated the Force in an unprecedented way on an unprecedented scale. That it blunted Jedi foresight and enabled Palpatine to enact his plans is also proof enough that it certainly had an "actual affect" on the galaxy.

In comparison, planetary-level feats like Byss, Katarr, and Nathema are woefully minor league.

It blunted the jedi. That's it. Whereas Vitiate's ritual killed millions, stripped the planet of the force, and became immortal.

Calling something "unprecedented" or "galaxy wide" doesn't automatically grant it a #1 rank.

Originally posted by psmith81992
It blunted the jedi. That's it. Whereas Vitiate's ritual killed millions, stripped the planet of the force, and became immortal.

Calling something "unprecedented" or "galaxy wide" doesn't automatically grant it a #1 rank.

Vitiate's ritual also involved hundreds or thousands of Sith Lord participants, depending on your source, and only affected a single planet.

Plagueis and Sidious manipulated the Force on a cosmological level that affected the entire galaxy.

If it's down to destructive planetary manipulation, then Nihilus trumps Vitiate and Palpatine both.

Either way, bro, Vitiate's not #1 here.

Though Nihilus didn't use a ritual.

Also, Vitiate using 8,000 Sith Lords in his ritual doesn't detract from the power of the ritual. In fact, logically speaking 8000 Sith Lords powering a ritual should make for more power than Sidious and Plagueis. Y'know, if rituals followed logic.

And as with all things Vitiate-related, logic leaps headfirst out the window, given that his power isn't commensurate with a man who drained the power of thousands of Sith Lord and studied the dark side for almost 1.5 millennia.

Bottom line is that Plagueis and Sidious, two lone Sith Lords, managed to orchestrate a cosmological change on the galaxy's binding energy field that was ultimately undone when the same energy field brought into being a cosmic messiah figure to correct it. It spanned decades, blunted Jedi sensitivity on a galactic scale, and was generally a feat of outrageous influence.

(It's also one of the dumbest parts of the Plagueis book.)

In comparison, planetary manipulation is minor league. You can argue Vitiate's planned ritual to one-shot the galactic population all you like, but Nathema (along with Byss and Katarr) is honestly magnitudes inferior.

A change that did not affect anything except blunting the Jedi's senses. That's supposed to be as impressive as draining millions of people and becoming immortal? No.

No, not more impressive.

VASTLY more impressive.

I think you mean 'no, not AS impressive.'

Originally posted by The_Tempest
And as with all things Vitiate-related, logic leaps headfirst out the window, given that his power isn't commensurate with a man who drained the power of thousands of Sith Lord and studied the dark side for almost 1.5 millennia.

Most of it goes to fueling his life and hunger, like Nihilus.

Though yeah, Vitiate really should be far more godlike than he is. He was already a adept of extraordinary power and an unmatched dark side scholar beforehand, give him an extra 1.5 thousand years of training, research + continually increasing power and the energy of everything on Medriaas including 8000 Sith Lords and by all rights he should be contenting with the Ones, not Sidious.

That's what happens when you put the latest Star Wars multimedia project in the hands of crappy writers, Neph.

The majority of TOR is well-written, they just need to step up their game with Vitiate when he makes his inevitable return. So far he's getting upstaged by the Dread Masters, his former gimps.

Or maybe they shouldn't have wanked him out to begin with?

But then who would be an even more awesome Sidious in swtor?

If they bring back Vitiate, they need to make Revan kill him, or the entire KOTOR and novel is pointless.

Originally posted by Nephthys
But then who would be an even more awesome Sidious in swtor?

They should have done something unique. Aping Sidious only reaffirms Sidious's place as the ultimate Star Wars big bad.

in this argument it doesn't matter if there were a bunch of sith involved. Its about the ritual not the person preforming it. Cant believe this turned into a "Well this guy is stronger than that guy" argument... *Shakes his head*