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The jedi from the geonosis strike team VS the brotherhood of darkness sith

While many of the Geonosis Jedi were unused to war and not the greatest duelists, most of the Jedi council was there (as well as several who'd later join the council), and all the Jedi present are reasonably strong in the force, sometimes very strong.

Outside of a small core of stronger former warlords, many BoD sith were little more than force adepts with sabers in their hands.


I'd say what happens is at first things look good for the BoD sith as they use their superior war skill, and Kaan's battle meditation, to gain a positional advantage, and their experience with war and swordplay help out.

Then the Jedi Council reaches and kills their leadership, and the BoD line collapses. It turns into a route and the Prequel Trilogy Jedi crush the Brotherhood forces.

The 212 on Geonosis were amongst the best knights the Order had to offer, and was inclusive of the entire Jedi Council. Not to mention the fact that they lived in one of the Jedi Order's strongest days, and many of the known Jedi on the battlefield have a plethora of impressive feats.

On the other hand, we have 212 random Sith from an era that was intended to be the image of pitiful shit compared to previous Sith Orders, it's apprentices on Korriban supposedly stronger than almost all it's Lords. They're literally losing a war against an army of Jedi that was largely made up of barely trained force sensitive teenagers.

One team has an obvious advantage here.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
The 212 on Geonosis were amongst the best knights the Order had to offer, and was inclusive of the entire Jedi Council.

Ahahaha, seriously? The Jedi were noted to be pretty shit, mostly trained in Niman or maybe Soresu. Which is why they had such heavy casualties.

The Jedi at Geonosis were also specifically "Whoever they could grab on hand," not whoever they had.

Badasses like Cin Dralliq were unavailable, despite being battlemaster.

So sure, the council was there, and there were badasses there, but there were also ones who weren't great warriors (though still usually fully trained).


And the difference in tactical-command skills should be in the Brotherhood's favor to a large degree, they were skilled commander with more battlefield experience, which is why the fight, in the first few minutes, may look reasonably close.

The PT Jedi lived in an era where Makashi, the lightsaber duelling form, had almost died out, and among these Jedi specifically the most practised form was by far Niman, the diplomat's form. The BoD meanwhile are full of hardened combat veterans who have been training to fight Jedi since they were born, have been fighting them their whole lives, and have hundreds of years of the order's experience fighting the Jedi to draw on, in terms of tactical data, philosophy and methodology.

This is an absoute stomp.

Originally posted by Astor Ebligis
The PT Jedi lived in an era where Makashi, the lightsaber duelling form, had almost died out, and among these Jedi specifically the most practised form was by far Niman, the diplomat's form. The BoD meanwhile are full of hardened combat veterans who have been training to fight Jedi since they were born, have been fighting them their whole lives, and have hundreds of years of the order's experience fighting the Jedi to draw on, in terms of tactical data, philosophy and methodology.

This is an absoute stomp. for the jedi

The leaders were.

A lot of the rank and file were people grabbed off the street, trained by their lord's adepts, and promised rewards if they succeeded. Depending on where they're from, this could be reasonably good training, overspecialized training (one Sith kingdom focused mainly on teaching it's people mind-tricks to control the population), or crappy training under the idea that the strong would prosper without it on a 'survival of the fittest' paradigm.



The Brotherhood of Darkness lasted 10 years- it was a unification of many warring Sith kingdoms, who often did what they could to destroy each other's institutional knowledge.

During Knight Errant, the point is made the Sith spend so much time fighting among themselves, and the Jedi had pulled back so far, that a lot of Sith were unfamiliar with Jedi and Kerra Holt caught several by surprise as a result. Lots of combat experience against each other, but before Kaan unified them and brought them to bear against the Jedi and Republic, those in territories that did not border the Republic or Jedi Lords had more experience vs Sith than other Jedi.



The Sith of the time were some of the most varied. The Warlords, especially of the more major kingdoms, were often pretty formidable. All of the ones Kerra Holt bumped into were dangerous individuals, save arguably one that the others destroyed (mostly, mind you, from a single extended powerful Sith family, and thus with knowledgeable trainers in their parents), but we also have reference to the ones in Hutt space where some were killed by Hutts like Zodah and others agreed to work for the Hutts.

Originally posted by Q99
The leaders were.

The bulk of the order are.



A big deal is made out of the untrained children being brought to the front lines, or people who would barely qualify as force sensitive, not because it was the norm, but because of how outlandish it was.

However it's made clear that this is not usual practise for the Jedi and Sith of the time, and the only reason they were doing it was because they were desperate, and they believed the war was just that close to ending and they were clearly going for that final push.

Otherwise they would naturally give the younger kids who showed strong potential more time to train.

But the point is that this was still just a small portion of their forces, the average BoD member would have been well trained and experienced.

And in desperation they would literally take anyone, but that doesn't say anything about their powerful members or the bulk of their forces, as they simply wanted every advantage they could get.



The BoD were still a part of the Sith order itself that had been waging war for a thousand years at that point.

How about we let the 212 members of the BoD represent their average Sith Lords, and ignore ridiculous outleirs such as the barely trained children.

There really wasn't "A sith order" for the last centuries or two, is my point. There was a hundred or more sith empires, many of which fell into weakness, or where only the Lord was fully trained and where most of the rest are 'adepts'.

Even an average sith warrior of the time thus tends to be a bit under-trained in the force (the apprentices at Korriban were specifically better than a number of their warriors), though often quite competent at the mundane skills of fighting.

Fascinating. You know a lot Q.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Fascinating. You know a lot Q.

I really like the warlord-era New Sith Wars stuff ^^