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A God vs. Devil battle. Can the Phoenix survive against the might of Surtur?

Phoenix

Originally posted by guy222
Phoenix
Yeah, especially if it's the classic PF and not the joke that showed up to AvX.

Agreed

What was jokish about the Phoenix in AVX?

Poorly conceived

Originally posted by guy222
Poorly conceived
x's 1000000000.

Examples of the entirety of the Phoenix being poorly conceived.

Originally posted by carver9
Examples of the entirety of the Phoenix being poorly conceived.
Exhibit A : AvX 1

And it went to sh|t from there.

Originally posted by zopzop
Exhibit A : AvX 1

And it went to sh|t from there.

Are you talking about Earth defenders beating it via plot? Tell me SOMETHING that gave you an opinion on the ENTIRETY of the Force sucking that issue. Stop saying stuff because it sounds good, Zop.

Originally posted by carver9
Are you talking about Earth defenders beating it via plot? Tell me SOMETHING that gave you an opinion on the ENTIRETY of the Force sucking that issue. Stop saying stuff because it sounds good, Zop.
I just told you what was wrong with it Carver.

There's more though, piling on the "cosmic parasite" idiocy, there was :
a) the Iron Fist/K'un-Lun/PF connection idiocy
b) the panic over Hope hosting the PF despite the fact that Rachel Summers did it for YEARS and never once lost control
c) the fact that Phoenix only went Dark Phoenix AFTER being manipulated by Mastermind (ie it's not inherently evil, Jean never lost control without an outside force, Mastermind, tampering with her emotions)
d) the Wanda Chaos Magic/Phoenix Force opposition idiocy, when nothing like this was ever hinted at in 30+ years of Marvel continuity
e) wiping out a universal force without any kind of cosmic repercussions (when the last time this was tried, by Galactus, the universe was dying with it).

I could go on.

Yep

Originally posted by zopzop
I just told you what was wrong with it Carver.

There's more though, piling on the "cosmic parasite" idiocy, there was :
a) the Iron Fist/K'un-Lun/PF connection idiocy
b) the panic over Hope hosting the PF despite the fact that Rachel Summers did it for YEARS and never once lost control
c) the fact that Phoenix only went Dark Phoenix AFTER being manipulated by Mastermind (ie it's not inherently evil, Jean never lost control without an outside force, Mastermind, tampering with her emotions)
d) the Wanda Chaos Magic/Phoenix Force opposition idiocy, when nothing like this was ever hinted at in 30+ years of Marvel continuity
e) wiping out a universal force without any kind of cosmic repercussions (when the last time this was tried, by Galactus, the universe was dying with it).

I could go on.

Suuuup

Long time bro hows you?

I too thought the main AvX story was pants, however the tie ins were good. Especially Uncanny X-men.

I agree with a lot of your points, but with regards to d) The reason it wasnt mentioned in the past 30 years is because the opposition isnt some ancient opposition thats always been in place, it was an opposition that was initiated from the moment Wanda decimated the mutant population thereby impeding evolution which the Phoenix Force perpetuates. So with that in mind why would it be mentioned previously?

With regards to e) the Phoenix Force wasnt wiped out. It was just dissipated as its work was done. We know from canon it is indestructible and we know from canon that if its tie to reality is interfered with then it spells the end of reality. The fact that there were no universal consequences and you have future Phoenixes (Quentin Quire) returning to the present also demonstrate that, as does the current Wolverine and the X-men story arc.

Issue 3 of this series again confirms that the Phoenix Force is energies of creation from which the universe was forged and that as such the Phoenix Force is embedded within all that is.

http://s26.postimg.org/61779gm85/Wolverine_and_the_X_Men_2014_003_011.jpg


It also states that the Phoenix Force is so concerned with evolution because to fully wield its power you need to be of a particular evolved state (canon tells us omega level mutants) so that she can bring about the end and become whole again.

http://s26.postimg.org/px36p039h/Wolverine_and_the_X_Men_2014_003_012.jpg

Something Grant Morrisons New X-men explored with its revelation that Phoenix hosts are the pinnacle of evolution, "the ultimate mutation":

http://s26.postimg.org/stq7pa939/New_X_Men_154_Here_Comes_Tomorrow_04_04.jpg


The Big Bang connection being something thats been canon with regards to the PF for years

"If im going to build a Phoenix killer ive got to figure out a way to crack universal expansion" i.e the Big Bang.

http://imageshack.com/a/img594/9589/avxzone017.jpg

http://imageshack.com/a/img141/8905/fantasticfour52212.jpg

its role in perpetuating the creation cycle (its beginning and end) is also something thats been stated for years:

http://imageshack.com/a/img862/5713/classicxmen024story2p15.jpg

http://imageshack.com/a/img28/7550/uncannyxmen10473.jpg


Went off on a bit of a tangent there mate, but you get the drift. As stated in the AvX arc the Phoenix only manifested to reverse Wandas machinations and it was to do this through its chosen vessel Hope. So the conclusion of AvX had Hope with Wandas aid reject the Phoenix power as opposed to attempting to become some messiah like figure (and potentially losing her way) and the dispersed power sparked the revival of the mutant race.

As far as the X-men know the Force is assumed dead because they cannot detect it. However subsequent storylines have shown us what we should have known anyway...that the Phoenix lives. As the Big Bang it is all energy and matter within reality. If the Phoenix Force was no more, reality would be no more. That is all

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Suuuup

Long time bro hows you?

I too thought the main AvX story was pants, however the tie ins were good. Especially Uncanny X-men.

I agree with a lot of your points, but with regards to d) The reason it wasnt mentioned in the past 30 years is because the opposition isnt some ancient opposition thats always been in place, it was an opposition that was initiated from the moment Wanda decimated the mutant population thereby impeding evolution which the Phoenix Force perpetuates. So with that in mind why would it be mentioned previously?

With regards to e) the Phoenix Force wasnt wiped out. It was just dissipated as its work was done. We know from canon it is indestructible and we know from canon that if its tie to reality is interfered with then it spells the end of reality. The fact that there were no universal consequences and you have future Phoenixes (Quentin Quire) returning to the present also demonstrate that, as does the current Wolverine and the X-men story arc.

Issue 3 of this series again confirms that the Phoenix Force is energies of creation from which the universe was forged and that as such the Phoenix Force is embedded within all that is.

http://s26.postimg.org/61779gm85/Wolverine_and_the_X_Men_2014_003_011.jpg

"If im going to build a Phoenix killer ive got to figure out a way to crack universal expansion" i.e the Big Bang.

http://imageshack.com/a/img594/9589/avxzone017.jpg

It also states that the Phoenix Force is so concerned with evolution because to fully wield its power you need to be of a particular evolved state (canon tells us omega level mutants) so that she can bring about the end and become whole again.

http://s26.postimg.org/px36p039h/Wolverine_and_the_X_Men_2014_003_012.jpg

Something Grant Morrisons New X-men explored with its revelation that Phoenix hosts are the pinnacle of evolution, "the ultimate mutation":

http://s26.postimg.org/stq7pa939/New_X_Men_154_Here_Comes_Tomorrow_04_04.jpg


The Big Bang connection being something thats been canon with regards to the PF for years

http://imageshack.com/a/img141/8905/fantasticfour52212.jpg

its role in perpetuating the creation cycle (its beginning and end) is also something thats been stated for years:

http://imageshack.com/a/img862/5713/classicxmen024story2p15.jpg

http://imageshack.com/a/img28/7550/uncannyxmen10473.jpg


Went off on a bit of a tangent there mate, but you get the drift. As stated in the AvX arc the Phoenix only manifested to reverse Wandas machinations and it was to do this through its chosen vessel Hope. So the conclusion of AvX had Hope with Wandas aid reject the Phoenix power as opposed to attempting to become some messiah like figure (and potentially losing her way) and the dispersed power sparked the revival of the mutant race.

As far as the X-men know the Force is assumed dead because they cannot detect it. However subsequent storylines have shown us what we should have known anyway...that the Phoenix lives. As the Big Bang it is all energy and matter within reality. If the Phoenix Force was no more, reality would be no more. That is all
WB GS! clap

I've been good, and you? You missed some crazy stuff going on on this board GS

Originally posted by zopzop
WB GS! clap

I've been good, and you? You missed some crazy stuff going on on this board GS

I can imagine.

Ive just been getting on with life. Got less and less time to come on here as i get older

As for this match up, the full Phoenix Force is a multiversal power as demonstrated on panel and as stated in its latest handbook entry.

Surtur is not on that level.

Phoenix wins.

Surtur wins.
Originally posted by carver9
What was jokish about the Phoenix in AVX?
Everything.

Originally posted by Epicurus
Surtur wins.

Why?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Why?
Feats.

What feats?

Surtur isn't winning this

Originally posted by abhilegend
What feats?
Comic book feats.

Any feat in particular?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Any feat in particular?
Most of them.

Originally posted by Epicurus
Most of them.

You have got to be trolling

When pressed for feats you cant mention a single one.

So either that or youre completely unaware of both what the Phoenix Force is and of its on panel feats.

The Phoenix Force is the energies of creation from which reality was made as stated on panel numerous times...the Big Bang.

Surtur is a speck compared to the full PF.

Originally posted by Epicurus
Most of them.
Name one feat.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
You have got to be trolling

When pressed for feats you cant mention a single one.

So either that or youre completely unaware of both what the Phoenix Force is and of its on panel feats.
I am acutely aware of what the Phoenix Force is capable of, and what it is capable of certainly doesn't put it in the same ballpark as a powerful skyfather-level being like Surtur.

Or does Thor beating the crap out of it not ring a bell to you? Might as well be the case that you're one of those people who confuse power with combat efficiency, lol.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The Phoenix Force is the energies of creation from which reality was made as stated on panel numerous times...the Big Bang.

Surtur is a speck compared to the full PF.
Don't you ever get tired of this BS?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Name one feat.
Everything burns. Written by Matt Fraction. Read it sometime.

Originally posted by Epicurus
Everything burns. Written by Matt Fraction. Read it sometime.
I have. Surtur loses.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I have. Surtur loses.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Surtur loses.
Based on what? GalacticStorm's Phoenix-porn fantasies?

At least try to come up with a better argument than that.
Originally posted by zopzop

And the Zop goeth the way of the Flop.

Originally posted by Epicurus
Based on what? GalacticStorm's Phoenix-porn fantasies?

At least try to come up with a better argument than that.

And the Zop goeth the way of the Flop.
No, I don't even read those.

Phoenix's confrontations with Galactus seal it for me.

Originally posted by abhilegend
No, I don't even read those.

You should have. He included some interesting post AvX scans.

Originally posted by guy222
Phoenix Originally posted by zopzop
Yeah, especially if it's the classic PF and not the joke that showed up to AvX.
Originally posted by abhilegend
I have. Surtur loses. Originally posted by zopzop

Originally posted by Epicurus
And the Zop goeth the way of the Flop.
Go troll someone else.

Originally posted by abhilegend
No, I don't even read those.

Phoenix's confrontations with Galactus seal it for me.
What confrontations? The one where Rachel beats a weakened/hungry Galactus after a prolonged fight? Because that is the only "confrontation" which Phoenix has a legit win over Galactus. Others were mere stand-offs.

Tbh, I am willing to bet any high-end skyfather could take the fight to that version Galactus and put him on his ass quicker than Rachnix did.

Originally posted by Epicurus
What confrontations? The one where Rachel beats a weakened/hungry Galactus after a prolonged fight? Because that is the only "confrontation" which Phoenix has a legit win over Galactus. Others were mere stand-offs.

Tbh, I am willing to bet any high-end skyfather could take the fight to that version Galactus and put him on his ass quicker than Rachnix did.
It was a hungry Galactus about to consume a planet.

It took Teneberous AND Aegis to put down a hungry Galactus.

Mephiso was stalemating a hungry Galactus in his realm and couldn't put him down and Galactus turned the tables and was about to consume Mephisto's realm and Mephisto couldnt' stop him. Isn't Mephisto considered a high skyfather in his realm? During that story he one shotted Surfer while out of his realm.

Originally posted by zopzop
Originally posted by zopzop
Yeah, especially if it's the classic PF and not the joke that showed up to AvX.
Go troll someone else.
Might I refer you to some of your posts, floppy:
Originally posted by zopzop
WB GS! clap

I've been good, and you? You missed some crazy stuff going on on this board GS
Originally posted by zopzop
You should have. He included some interesting post AvX scans.

Not to mention that the other post doesn't even mention the fact that GS once again referred hi fake and debunked Big Bang theory...by using AvX scans no less. The story which actually confirms that the PF isn't the Big Bang, but merely a being born after it.

Originally posted by zopzop
It was a hungry Galactus about to consume a planet.

It took Teneberous AND Aegis to put down a hungry Galactus.

Mephiso was stalemating a hungry Galactus in his realm and couldn't put him down and Galactus turned the tables and was about to consume Mephisto's realm and Mephisto couldnt' stop him. Isn't Mephisto considered a high skyfather in his realm? During that story he one shotted Surfer while out of his realm.
And it took Surfer channeling the Crunch to put down T&A. Who were acting as glorified minions for Thanos in that arc. Not to mention the fact that it was Galactus himself who brought an end to their original Civil Way, killed their leader, and imprisoned them.

Mephisto put enough of a fight that Galactus was forced to start eating his realm to break their stalemate(although you could argue that Surfer manipulated him into doing so). Though of course one single high-end showing is the be all and end all of the character's power level. Nevermind the fact that Odin fought a much stronger version of Galactus in prolonged tp battle, and managed to actually cause the latter to actually strain himself in the conflict.

Anyways, I am willing to wager that Odin could beat Meph in his own realm like he has done to Hela on numerous occasion. And we all saw how Meph and the rest of the Devil's advocacy were treating the prospect of facing Cul(Odin's inferior) in direct battle.

Originally posted by Epicurus
Go troll someone else.
Might I refer you to some of your posts, floppy:



Not to mention that the other post doesn't even mention the fact that GS once again referred hi fake and debunked Big Bang theory...by using AvX scans no less. The story which actually confirms that the PF isn't the Big Bang, but merely a being born after it.
These are AvX scans, my trollish friend?
http://postimg.org/image/61779gm85/
http://postimg.org/image/px36p039h/

Originally posted by zopzop
These are AvX scans, my trollish friend?
http://postimg.org/image/61779gm85/
http://postimg.org/image/px36p039h/
These certainly are, Zop Floppy the Flopth:
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
"If im going to build a Phoenix killer ive got to figure out a way to crack universal expansion" i.e the Big Bang.

http://imageshack.com/a/img594/9589/avxzone017.jpg

http://imageshack.com/a/img141/8905/fantasticfour52212.jpg

Originally posted by Epicurus
These certainly are, Zop Floppy the Flopth:
Too bad I specifically mentioned POST AvX scans to abhi. You even quoted it and GS provided said scans.

You even fail at trolling correctly.

Originally posted by zopzop
Too bad I specifically mentioned POST AvX scans to abhi. You even quoted it and GS provided said scans.

You even fail at trolling correctly.
Too bad you're too hung up over my trollery to actually read what my posts say about thee:
Originally posted by Epicurus
Not to mention that the other post doesn't even mention the fact that GS once again referred hi fake and debunked Big Bang theory...by using AvX scans no less. The story which actually confirms that the PF isn't the Big Bang, but merely a being born after it.

Anyways, continue to preach the Gospel of Flop. The same gospel where Archangels can be hurt by Stone Age weaponry. Where the Phoenix is a fail but then spontaneously goes to being some badass powerhouse just because an old school poster whom you dream of fellating shows up randomly in a blue moon, after long time.

Originally posted by Epicurus
Too bad you're too hung up over my trollery to actually read what my posts say about thee:


Anyways, continue to preach the Gospel of Flop where Archangels can be hurt by Stone Age weaponry.
Are you drunk?

The POST AVX scan confirms the PF/Big Bang theory mentioned by Reed PRIOR to AVX. Did you even read the scans GS posted? Jeezus. x's 10000

Surtur is Odin lvl. Phoenix well written Galactus or higher lvl. Big difference

Originally posted by zopzop
Are you drunk?

The POST AVX scan confirms the PF/Big Bang theory mentioned by Reed PRIOR to AVX. Did you even read the scans GS posted? Jeezus. x's 10000
I know exactly what you're talking about. I am pointing to your flopped approach in arbitrarily dismissing him using AvX scans to justify his debuked theory.

Those Uncanny scans are the same garbage, substance-less hyperbole which GS has posted before. None of which actually show the Phoenix, without a shadow of a doubt, being the Big Bang instead of being born from it. Nothing like the recent depiction of the Celestials being the creators of the multiverse.

Yay Celestials

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
As for this match up, the full Phoenix Force is a multiversal power as demonstrated on panel and as stated in its latest handbook entry.

Surtur is not on that level.

I agree. Way more powerful than any skyfather.

Truth

Originally posted by Epicurus
I know exactly what you're talking about. I am pointing to your flopped approach in arbitrarily dismissing him using AvX scans to justify his debuked theory.

Those Uncanny scans are the same garbage, substance-less hyperbole which GS has posted before. None of which actually show the Phoenix, without a shadow of a doubt, being the Big Bang instead of being born from it. Nothing like the recent depiction of the Celestials being the creators of the multiverse.

Substance-less?

You have Reed Richards explicitly stating that the Phoenix Force is the Big Bang.

You have the Phoenix Force stating on panel that it is the sum of all that is and the creator of the stars.

You have an on panel instance of where Galactus is disrupting the Forces connection to reality and the stars start fading which is on panel evidence that all the previous testimonies are correct. With the Watcher, Roma and Death all supporting the fact that its the Phoenixes power that prevents reality from being a void.

You have Tony Stark stating that to attempt to kill the Phoenix Force means figuring out how to crack "Universal expansion".

The evidence is numerous and from multiple reputable sources all portraying the same point throughout continuity, that the Phoenix Force is the sentient energies of creation and it manifests to perpetuate the creation cycle, being its own end which itself triggers the beginning of a new cycle.

http://imageshack.com/a/img862/5713/classicxmen024story2p15.jpg

http://imageshack.com/a/img28/7550/uncannyxmen10473.jpg

The very reason why Eternity calls it the Resurrection Force. The assurance of a new cycle.

http://imageshack.com/a/img140/2/xmenforever0616.jpg


The point is made consistently throughout continuity. You cannot objectively deny that the Phoenix Force is the Big Bang and that it perpetuates the creation cycle.

Originally posted by Epicurus

Those Uncanny scans are the same garbage, substance-less hyperbole which GS has posted before. None of which actually show the Phoenix, without a shadow of a doubt, being the Big Bang instead of being born from it.


The PF died with everything else, and was then Re-Born in the Big Bang, just like everything else.

http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/11716648_P.jpg

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That's what the PF remembers, being born from the Big bang:



http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/11717484_P2.jpg

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Cool, it fits perfectly with what her official handbook bio states.

It's the same shit every other Abstract/Concept remembers/knows ... and ... experiences likewise:

http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/11717251_Concepts_survive_Big_Bang.jpg

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Originally posted by zopzop

PF/Big Bang theory mentioned by Reed PRIOR to AVX.

I prefer to go with this 616 Reed Richards' depiction:

... cause uhh, ... he was actually there as a witness.

Anyway, the hyperbolic comedy has been officially put to rest several times On Panel but most notably in FF#531-532. (2006)

Phoenix (any version) has never created even a single Universe on panel,
so PF being the "spark that ignites" anything is a falacy that was never proven on panel,
and finally dismissed on panel likewise.


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The real Big Bang, (on panel) occurring!

The real "Spark" that ignites creation (on panel) occurring!

The real embodiment of the Big Bang (on panel) occurring!

http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/674167_1.jpg

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The Alien Entity transcends Marvel's Space/Time seemingly folding everything to it's Pre-Big Bang Void:

http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/674168_2.jpg

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The Alien Entity/Reed created the "Spark" that ignites the Fires/Engines of Creation:

http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/674169_3.jpg

(literally)

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And indeed, the Alien Entity even manipulated the "Spark" into motion:

http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/674170_4.jpg

"Let there be Light ... let the Universe itself ... become"

......................................................................................

http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/674171_5.jpg


The Big Bang in the flesh (on panel actually depicted)

... not talk, talk, talk, which = to hyperbole.

......................................................................................


Phoenix has only destroyed a single Alternate Universe twice,
both occasions took place in What if issues.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Substance-less?

You have Reed Richards explicitly stating that the Phoenix Force is the Big Bang.

You have the Phoenix Force stating on panel that it is the sum of all that is and the creator of the stars.

You have an on panel instance of where Galactus is disrupting the Forces connection to reality and the stars start fading which is on panel evidence that all the previous testimonies are correct. With the Watcher, Roma and Death all supporting the fact that its the Phoenixes power that prevents reality from being a void.

You have Tony Stark stating that to attempt to kill the Phoenix Force means figuring out how to crack "Universal expansion".

The evidence is numerous and from multiple reputable sources all portraying the same point throughout continuity, that the Phoenix Force is the sentient energies of creation and it manifests to perpetuate the creation cycle, being its own end which itself triggers the beginning of a new cycle.

http://imageshack.com/a/img862/5713/classicxmen024story2p15.jpg

http://imageshack.com/a/img28/7550/uncannyxmen10473.jpg

The very reason why Eternity calls it the Resurrection Force. The assurance of a new cycle.

http://imageshack.com/a/img140/2/xmenforever0616.jpg


The point is made consistently throughout continuity. You cannot objectively deny that the Phoenix Force is the Big Bang and that it perpetuates the creation cycle.

GS! been to f'n long bro......

pf dismantles surtur, btw.

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Hey friends... more Big Bangs artistically illustrated and the PF again had nothing to do with it,
not even indirectly, heck, not even alluded as even remotely responsible.

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The TRUE self perpetuating recycling of All That Is (Eternity-Infinity) ... On Panel, Big Bang occurring:

http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/11716665_1.jpg http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/11716666_2.jpg http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/11716667_3.jpg http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/11716668_4.jpg http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/11716669_5.jpg http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/11716670_6.jpg


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The recycling of Eternity-Infinity years prior to Genis/Entropy ... oh yea, Big Bang style!

http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/11717052_Birth_of_the_Universe.jpg


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There's also Sis-Neg and Thanos/HOTI ...

... other than that, no one's create/re-created Marvel from nothingness ...
and the one that started it all was the Infinity being.
(which was confirmed across two different MultiverseS ... yes ... on panel)

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Anyway ...

Can any soul post an image of the PF doing anything close to any of this? No?

... well, how about being involved indirectly? ... No?

... well, how about in a handbook? No?

... darn, oh well.

Originally posted by zopzop
Too bad I specifically mentioned POST AvX scans to abhi. You even quoted it and GS provided said scans.

You even fail at trolling correctly.

Originally posted by quanchi112

Quan, who do you think wins?

Originally posted by zopzop
Quan, who do you think wins? Not epidural.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Not epidural.
LOL. No, I meant between the PF and Surtur.

Originally posted by zopzop
LOL. No, I meant between the PF and Surtur. Yeah, I know.

Originally posted by Epicurus
What confrontations? The one where Rachel beats a weakened/hungry Galactus after a prolonged fight? Because that is the only "confrontation" which Phoenix has a legit win over Galactus. Others were mere stand-offs.

Tbh, I am willing to bet any high-end skyfather could take the fight to that version Galactus and put him on his ass quicker than Rachnix did.
All of them.

I don't think so.

Mr Master again fails to recognise the difference between that which happens as per the natural scheme of things and that which happens on panel due to artificial intervention.

As stated on panel numerous times and as depicted on panel the universe is forged from the energies of the Phoenix Force:



It is the Big Bang and as such it is physically all that is:



What is the Big Bang? According to the Big Bang model, the universe expanded from an extremely dense and hot state and continues to expand today.

Tony Stark how are you going to attempt to kill the Phoenix Force?

http://imageshack.com/a/img594/9589/avxzone017.jpg

"Ive got to figure out a way to crack universal expansion"

Reed Richards, what is the Phoenix Force?

http://imageshack.com/a/img141/8905/fantasticfour52212.jpg

"the energies of creation itself. Call it the Big Bang or the Phoenix Force"

Before the Big Bang there was nothing but a void. The Big Bang filled that void with all of its energy and matter that settled into stars and planets etc.

Watcher what is there without the Phoenix Force in reality?

"Ultimate extinction" "a void wherein exists not the smallest potential for life"

http://imageshack.com/a/img26/2769/excalibur02520.jpg

Phoenix Force what are you?

http://imageshack.com/a/img441/2044/classicxmen00821.jpg

"All that is i am" "Nothing lives that is not touched by a part of me"

The Phoenix Force is the sentient Big Bang and it perpetuates the creation cycle under the natural scheme of things.

As stated by the Watcher:

http://imageshack.com/a/img28/7550/uncannyxmen10473.jpg

As stated by Eternity:

http://imageshack.com/a/img140/2/xmenforever0616.jpg

If the Marvel reality is left to come to its own natural conclusion, then the end is brought about by the Phoenix Force.

This fiery end is itself the step towards a new beginning wherein the Phoenix Force is itself reborn as per its namesake in the Big Bang event.

Tales of Sise Neg and the Alien Entity artificially triggering the cycle anew does not diminish or re-define the Phoenixes role. They are just interference. Under the natural scheme of things it is the role of the Phoenix to do this as stated by numerous reputable sources. The Abstracts for example.

We are not going to see the Marvel universe come to its natural conclusion because we would have no comics to read

The only time we see an end to the universe (and a temporary end at that) is through interference with the natural order and such incidents are always reversed.

So what is your point Mr Master?

Surtur is destroyed

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

Mr Master again fails to recognise the difference between that
which happens as per the natural scheme of things and that which
happens on panel due to artificial intervention.
ka-dur ... What kind of horse-stinky is this?

"artificial intervention?" ...

That's the Natural scheme of things down below funny man.

That's Entropy, (the embodiment of the END of the Universe)
who just created the Universe anew from a Void blank state. (after he and Genis erased it)
He did this with energies from withIN his body, so he was the embodiment of the Big Bang energies.

http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/11716665_1.jpg http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/11716666_2.jpg http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/11716667_3.jpg http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/11716668_4.jpg http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/11716669_5.jpg http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/11716670_6.jpg

"The cycle begins anew" (natural scheme of things son)


PF? ... Who? What? Where? ... exactly.

There are several origins of universe in marvel. Just because one isn't mentioned, it doesn't gets invalidated. Most recently Celestials were shown to be responsible for the creation of multiverse. That doesn't mean everything else is non-canon.

Excellent point

Originally posted by abhilegend
There are several origins of universe in marvel. Just because one isn't mentioned, it doesn't gets invalidated. Most recently Celestials were shown to be responsible for the creation of multiverse. That doesn't mean everything else is non-canon.
Yeah, it's a fuggin' mess.

Remember when I used to talk sh|t about DC's cosmology and stuff? I take it all back.

Marvel's is a clusterphuck.

Originally posted by zopzop
Yeah, it's a fuggin' mess.

Remember when I used to talk sh|t about DC's cosmology and stuff? I take it all back.

Marvel's is a clusterphuck.
DC is far better than marvel. Embrace it bro.

Nah Marvel FTW

Originally posted by abhilegend

There are several origins of universe in marvel.
Show me the one that involves the PF.

I presented 3 on panel depictions, and I have 3 more. Let me know.
Originally posted by abhilegend

Just because one isn't mentioned, it doesn't gets invalidated.
... So ... Sentry really has the power of a million exploding suns
cause it was bullshitted into publication via a writer talking out of his ass?

Anyway, Let me know when you have that scan that shows the PF Big Banging anything.

Actually, you may impress me a bit by posting that scan where she creates one reality, let-alone all.

Good luck with that search.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Show me the one that involves the PF.

I presented 3 on panel depictions, and I have 3 more. Let me know.

... So ... Sentry really has the power of a million exploding suns
cause it was bullshitted into publication via a writer talking out of his ass?

Anyway, Let me know when you have that scan that shows the PF Big Banging anything.

Actually, you may impress me a bit by posting that scan where she creates one reality, let-alone all.

Good luck with that search.
I never said anything about PF creating the multiverse, did I? Its been called the energy of creation several times, so I don't think that's debatable.

Anyway PF stomps Surtur, right?

Originally posted by Mr Master
ka-dur ... What kind of horse-stinky is this?

"artificial intervention?" ...

That's the Natural scheme of things down below funny man.

That's Entropy, (the embodiment of the END of the Universe)
who just created the Universe anew from a Void blank state. (after he and Genis erased it)
He did this with energies from withIN his body, so he was the embodiment of the Big Bang energies.

http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/11716665_1.jpg http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/11716666_2.jpg http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/11716667_3.jpg http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/11716668_4.jpg http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/11716669_5.jpg http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/11716670_6.jpg

"The cycle begins anew" (natural scheme of things son)


PF? ... Who? What? Where? ... exactly.

How is that the natural scheme of things?

Entropy is the gradual journey of the universe towards heat death as all thermal energy over billions and billions of years become homogeneous. The character Entropy is the embodiment of this concept.

Entropy plotted to kill his father by driving Genis mad thereby bringing an accelerated and very unnatural end to the universe. An end outside of that which he is destined to bring.

It is for this very reason that his machinations were reversed as part of the plot.

The Marvel universe CANNOT come to its natural conclusion because then we would have no comics to read. So it is never going to happen.

Is that really a concept to complex for you to grasp Mr M?

All we can have as i previously stated are stories like this where a character comes in and intervenes with the natural order before it is reversed because it is not meant to happen.

However as stated by a multitude of reputable sources, it is the Phoenix Force that is tasked with bringing about this end under the natural scheme of things.

What beings like Entropy and Oblivion demonstrate however are that the natural conclusion of reality is not set in stone and how it ends when it is its time to end is down to a number of variables that we are not privy to. A certain event or action down the timeline could mean that the PF claims reality as is its given role, or likewise could see Oblivion or Entropy do the same. There are a number of beings who are tasked with bringing about the end and that fact does not diminish the cosmic significance of any of these beings, however out of all of them, it is only the PF that is also the living energies of creation that gave said concepts relevance in the first place by triggering and being all that is.

I hope thats clear

Originally posted by abhilegend
There are several origins of universe in marvel. Just because one isn't mentioned, it doesn't gets invalidated. Most recently Celestials were shown to be responsible for the creation of multiverse. That doesn't mean everything else is non-canon.

Exactly that.

There are several beginnings and several ends. What one takes place is down to variables we are not privy to.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Show me the one that involves the PF.

I presented 3 on panel depictions, and I have 3 more. Let me know.

... So ... Sentry really has the power of a million exploding suns
cause it was bullshitted into publication via a writer talking out of his ass?

Anyway, Let me know when you have that scan that shows the PF Big Banging anything.

Actually, you may impress me a bit by posting that scan where she creates one reality, let-alone all.

Good luck with that search.

The scans ive posted state and depict that the Phoenix Force is the Big Bang and forged reality within its fire before exploding into all that is during this event:

http://s26.postimg.org/61779gm85/Wolverine_and_the_X_Men_2014_003_011.jpg



The on panel evidence is there in multitude. You cannot deny its nature. It is the Big Bang, the physical energy and matter of all that is. The difference is it also manifests within itself to perpetuate this creation cycle, however as shown by characters like Entropy and Oblivion and even Death, this additional role of ending the universe does not just lie with the Phoenix. However that does not take away its cosmic significance

Originally posted by abhilegend

Its been called the energy of creation several times, so I don't think that's debatable.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
How is that the natural scheme of things?

Entropy is the gradual journey of the universe towards heat death as all thermal energy over billions and billions of years become homogeneous. The character Entropy is the embodiment of this concept.

Entropy plotted to kill his father by driving Genis mad thereby bringing an accelerated and very unnatural end to the universe. An end outside of that which he is destined to bring.

It is for this very reason that his machinations were reversed as part of the plot.

The Marvel universe CANNOT come to its natural conclusion because then we would have no comics to read. So it is never going to happen.

Is that really a concept to complex for you to grasp Mr M?

All we can have as i previously stated are stories like this where a character comes in and intervenes with the natural order before it is reversed because it is not meant to happen.

However as stated by a multitude of reputable sources, it is the Phoenix Force that is tasked with bringing about this end under the natural scheme of things.

What beings like Entropy and Oblivion demonstrate however are that the natural conclusion of reality is not set in stone and how it ends when it is its time to end is down to a number of variables that we are not privy to. A certain event or action down the timeline could mean that the PF claims reality as is its given role, or likewise could see Oblivion or Entropy do the same. There are a number of beings who are tasked with bringing about the end and that fact does not diminish the cosmic significance of any of these beings, however out of all of them, it is only the PF that is also the living energies of creation that gave said concepts relevance in the first place by triggering and being all that is.

I hope thats clear
facepalm ... yea, "clear" bull shit perhaps.

Let me know when you have that scan that shows the PF creating the Multiverse? No?

You probably have the one where she creates the Universe? No?

What about the the one where she creates a Galaxy? No?

Well, I should take into consideration that the PF is the energies of the Big Bang via poppycock,
and I should dismiss actual On Panel showings of the Big Bang as something, other?

Actually .. you're hilarious.

Because yea, Entropy didn't just release Big Bang energies On Panel.

http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/11716665_1.jpg http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/11716666_2.jpg http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/11716670_6.jpg

Oh wait, he did. That's just your agenda at play.

Originally posted by Mr Master


What are you laughing at?

Its stated explicitly. You can hate the idea, but he is quite correct, you cannot credibly state that it is not the case.

Not when you have so many reputable sources, be they cosmic beings and scientific geniuses stating the same thing throughout continuity.

You will deal with this canonical fact

Originally posted by Mr Master

Why the laughing? Phoenix got your tongue?

Originally posted by Mr Master
facepalm ... yea, "clear" bull shit perhaps.

So what are you going to do now, spam the thread with the same scans showing Sise Neg and various other beings restarting creation?

Go ahead.

Makes no difference.

Is Sise Negs significance nullified by the fact that other beings did it?



In the natural scheme of things it is the PFs role. Those artificial interventions mean nothing and do not demean what reputable sources say the PF does and will do if reality is left to its own devices

Still waiting on that scan that depicts the PF letting off the Big Bang.

Oh no, you have the one where she remakes Eternity/Infinity.

Actually no, you have the one where she re-creates the Universe.

That's also a no, no.

So, you have ... nothing! ... Yet, we should accept Nothing! and disregard what has actually taken place on panel.

Like Sise-Neg, like Genis/Entropy, like Thanos/HOTI, like the Alien Entity.


Originally posted by GalacticStorm

scientific geniuses stating the same thing throughout continuity.

"scientific genius" was talking out of his ass without proof.

But the "scientific genius" saw the truth with his own eyes:

The real Big Bang, (on panel) occurring!

The real "Spark" that ignites creation (on panel) occurring!

The real embodiment of the Big Bang (on panel) occurring!

http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/674167_1.jpghttp://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/674168_2.jpghttp://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/674169_3.jpghttp://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/674170_4.jpghttp://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/674171_5.jpg


The Big Bang in the flesh (on panel actually depicted)

... not talk, talk, talk, which = to hyperbole.

......................................................................................

Originally posted by Mr Master
facepalm ... yea, "clear" bull shit perhaps.

Let me know when you have that scan that shows the PF creating the Multiverse? No?

You probably have the one where she creates the Universe? No?

What about the the one where she creates a Galaxy? No?

Well, I should take into consideration that the PF is the energies of the Big Bang via poppycock,
and I should dismiss actual On Panel showings of the Big Bang as something, other?

Actually .. you're hilarious.

Because yea, Entropy didn't just release Big Bang energies On Panel.


Oh wait, he did. That's just your agenda at play.

So you want to ignore the on panel statement and artistic depiction in this weeks Wolverine and the X-men where reality is said to have been forged by the Phoenixes power and then you have the Phoenix exploding as the Big Bang before settling down as all that is?

http://s26.postimg.org/61779gm85/Wolverine_and_the_X_Men_2014_003_011.jpg




You want to ignore stars blinking out of existence as Galactus disrupts the PF's tie to reality through Rachel?

http://imageshack.com/a/img26/2769/excalibur02520.jpg


A point which again verifies it is the energies of all that is?

How can you attempt to present yourself as credible and objective when you overlook and deny explicit evidence like this because it does not coincide with your fantasy of a hierarchy

Originally posted by Mr Master
Still waiting on that scan that depicts the PF letting off the Big Bang.

Oh no, you have the one where she remakes Eternity/Infinity.

Actually no, you have the one where she re-creates the Universe.

That's also a no, no.

So, you have ... nothing! ... Yet, we should accept Nothing! and disregard what has actually taken place on panel.

Like Sise-Neg, like Genis/Entropy, like Thanos/HOTI, like the Alien Entity.



"scientific genius" was talking out of his ass without proof.

But the "scientific genius" saw the truth with his own eyes:

The real Big Bang, (on panel) occurring!

The real "Spark" that ignites creation (on panel) occurring!

The real embodiment of the Big Bang (on panel) occurring!

http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/674167_1.jpghttp://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/674168_2.jpghttp://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/674169_3.jpghttp://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/674170_4.jpghttp://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/674171_5.jpg


The Big Bang in the flesh (on panel actually depicted)

... not talk, talk, talk, which = to hyperbole.

......................................................................................

"the spark that lit the fire of creation"

What you have there is them setting off the Big Bang. Lighting a match. Not creating reality. Triggering it. Takes a lot less power and is less significant.

The PF is those infinite creation energies. These scans dont disprove that.

Plus my recent Wolverine and the X-men scans, recent as of came out 2 days ago state and depict the PF being the energies of creation and exploding as the Big Bang before settling into being all that is

As Abhilegend and I have stated a few times now, there are several beginnings and ends, what is without a doubt though is that the Phoenix is those energies that these other beings are merely triggering, lighting a match if you will.

We'll leave it at that

Planetary EMP,
which evidently is enough to shatter the almighty PF!

......................................................................................

Xorn, killing Jean Grey ... and exploding the actual Phoenix Force itself!

......................................................................................


On Panel:

http://s2d2.turboimagehost.com/t/534712_jean_dies1.jpg

http://s2d2.turboimagehost.com/t/534714_jean_dies2.jpg

......................................................................................


Beast remembers:

http://s1d4.turboimagehost.com/t/2120694_jeandiesuj7.jpg

......................................................................................


This incident involving Xorn & the Phoenix Force
was actually recalled by the embodiment of the Phoenix Force itself in "Endsong"

http://s1d2.turboimagehost.com/t/4225596_pfbillioncl9.jpg

"I thought I was Dead, in a Billion Billion pieces"



......................................................................................


Bios: 100% canon

......................................................................................


(From the Official Marvel Universe Handbook 2005 - Phoenix Force bio)

http://s2d2.turboimagehost.com/t/543034_hct2005.jpg

"Jean Grey was Killed by an Electromagnetic Pulse,

this shattered the Force into Billions of PIECES"

......................................................................................


(from WC Phoenix - Jean Grey's official 2008 bio)

http://s2d2.turboimagehost.com/t/537120_jean.jpg

"Jean opposed faux Magneto but was killed by a lethal EMP
that shattered the Phoenix Force into Billions of pieces"


===========================================

===========================================


The Shiar has made the almighty Phoenix Force it's ***** as well:


Actually they (Shiar) not only forced the PF's resurrection:


But they also shattered the PF itself into pieces
partially due to the "Event Horizon" they attacked it with:


So canonically, the PF has been shattered TWICE!

1. Into Billions of pieces by an EMP at the hands of Xorn.

2. By a Shiar device as well.

......................................................................................


On Panel proof:


Here's the PF again, being shattered, this time by the Shiar:

http://s1d2.turboimagehost.com/t/1807411_pf2rm9.jpg

......................................................................................


Jean Grey was still dead, since Xorn's EMP!

http://s1d2.turboimagehost.com/t/1807412_pf4li2.jpg

......................................................................................


Here's the Shiar at the end of the issue,
explaining the "Eleka'an Event Horizon" they used on the PF.
The PF survived by escaping at the last moment,
but it was still injured, dying, meh, literally shattered again!

http://s5d1.turboimagehost.com/t/18594604_pf5oq4.jpg

......................................................................................


100% canon


Bio confirmation of said on panel proof:

http://s1d2.turboimagehost.com/t/1807414_pf8mb4.jpg

"The Force was later ripped back to reality by a Shiar device
that forcibly reconstituted it. Injured, the Force fell ....
searched for Jean and, finding her DEAD, resurrected her ..."


===========================================

===========================================


Galactus once was going to erase/destroy/kill the PF, by trying to separate it from Rachel Summers.

At the time/story, the PF had bonded to Rachel fully, everything the PF was, so too was Rachel:

http://s5d4.turboimagehost.com/t/18594619_PF_bond_to_Rahcel.jpg

......................................................................................


So when Galactus began to forcibly separate the PF from Rachel, he was killing them both, since they were one.

Roma told big G the separation was impossible, because Rachel was the PF!

http://s5d4.turboimagehost.com/t/18594621_PF_dies_G1.jpg

......................................................................................


Galactus learned that the PF being a concept and therefore a force of nature, can die,
but then the stars of the universe will fade since cosmic consonance would be disrupted.

Although Galactus (and any other that doesn't need stars) would survive,
Galactus opt to allow the PF to live. But he could've just as easily giving in to Miss Death's wishes. (let the PF die)

http://s5d4.turboimagehost.com/t/18594622_PF_dies_G2.jpg

===========================================


100% canon

This On Panel truth was confirmed/corroborated in the official Handbooks:

http://s5d4.turboimagehost.com/t/18594620_PF_can_die.jpg


The PF, like all Concepts, is a primal force of the universe.
So of course if you destroy it, as Galactus was clearly capable of doing,
it would harm the universe.

Heck, when Galactus died, the Multiverse began to collapse courtesy of Abaraxas.
Does this make G anymore that what he is by default? Nah.

Erishkigel was manipulating Lord Chaos, and this cause reality to unbalance.
Does this make LC anymore that what he is by default? Nah.

All fundamental/primal forces of the universe have the same essentiality to reality.

==========================================

The PF was manhandled, stomped and nearly killed yet again,
by some alien Ship:

===========================================



While the Phoenix Force is in it's purest form (no host)

The Ship, rips a hole in Space & Time in front of the Phoenix Force while in 616,
and forces it into the Multiverse that houses the Ultraverse Universe:

http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/11817121_AS1.jpg

"Out of one marvelous Universe and into another"

......................................................................................


Then, the Ship attacks the actual Phoenix Force,
the SHIP wants to drain the energy of the Force:

http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/11817126_AS2.jpg

"Impaled, Spitted, the Phoenix writhes as it's life is sucked out"

It has never known PAIN of this magnitude, it SCREAMS"

......................................................................................


http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/11817129_AS3.jpg

"It's willfully torturing the Phoenix ..... am I imagining things,
or is it's fire going out, the colors are fading, like it's dying ...

... Truly,
the Phoenix is battling for it's life against the sear of Light that is stripping it's power away"

......................................................................................


The Phoenix manages to break free for a moment (though near death)

http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/11817132_AS4.jpg

"Wounded the Phoenix falls, to survive, to mend, to heal, it must find a Host"

......................................................................................


The SHIP allows the Phoenix to escape for now,

http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/11817134_AS5.jpg

"to locate it's pilot program before draining it entirely"

......................................................................................



This is all 100% canon!


......................................................................................



(From the Official Marvel Universe Handbook - Phoenix Force bio)

http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/11817359_AS00.jpg http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/11817360_AS000.jpg

"Impaled on a Lance of energy, Wounded, the Force sought a host to protect it as it Healed"

===========================================

===========================


... Heck ... even a few heroes are enough to handle the Force itself!

===========================


A Few members of the X-Men and Ultra Force (six in all)
are sent to battle the actual Phoenix Force (host-less) ... this is the real deal.

http://s1d2.turboimagehost.com/t/1547141_P1.jpg

.....................................................................


"The assembled Heroes are tired & battered,
the Phoenix (no host) is reborn and fresh"

And they're still holding their own!

http://s1d2.turboimagehost.com/t/1547142_P2.jpg

http://s1d2.turboimagehost.com/t/1547143_P3.jpg

.....................................................................


The Six heroes beat (physically) the Phoenix Force (no host) into and through the Portal:

http://s1d2.turboimagehost.com/t/1547144_P4.jpg

.....................................................................


The Phoenix Force ends up displaced by Four Billion Years:

http://s1d2.turboimagehost.com/t/1547145_P5.jpg

==================================


100% canon


(From the Official Marvel Universe Handbook 2005)

http://s1d4.turboimagehost.com/t/2122019_Ulti.jpg

"the Heroes were able to drive the FORCE into another portal,
and it emerged Four Billion years in the Past"

---------------------------------------------------------------


Confirmed Again in the 2007 Handbook Bios:

http://s1d4.turboimagehost.com/t/2122020_Ulti1.jpg http://s1d4.turboimagehost.com/t/2122021_Ulti2.jpg

Originally posted by Mr Master
Planetary EMP,
which evidently is enough to shatter the almighty PF!

......................................................................................

Xorn, killing Jean Grey ... and exploding the actual Phoenix Force itself!

......................................................................................


On Panel:

http://s2d2.turboimagehost.com/t/534712_jean_dies1.jpg

http://s2d2.turboimagehost.com/t/534714_jean_dies2.jpg

......................................................................................


Beast remembers:

http://s1d4.turboimagehost.com/t/2120694_jeandiesuj7.jpg

......................................................................................


This incident involving Xorn & the Phoenix Force
was actually recalled by the embodiment of the Phoenix Force itself in "Endsong"

http://s1d2.turboimagehost.com/t/4225596_pfbillioncl9.jpg

"I thought I was Dead, in a Billion Billion pieces"



......................................................................................


Bios: 100% canon

......................................................................................


(From the Official Marvel Universe Handbook 2005 - Phoenix Force bio)

http://s2d2.turboimagehost.com/t/543034_hct2005.jpg

"Jean Grey was Killed by an Electromagnetic Pulse,

this shattered the Force into Billions of PIECES"

......................................................................................


(from WC Phoenix - Jean Grey's official 2008 bio)

http://s2d2.turboimagehost.com/t/537120_jean.jpg

"Jean opposed faux Magneto but was killed by a lethal EMP
that shattered the Phoenix Force into Billions of pieces"


===========================================

Unable to disprove the canonical fact that it is the energies of creation you try to mock the Phoenix Force instead?

You are one poor debater Mr M. Very poor

This irrelevant spam attack of scans unrelated to the point in debate just reeks of desperation.

This has always been your last resort. When the going gets tough and youre stumped, mock and spam until the truth is covered up with unrelated scans

Yeah, that is just a desperate move. Sad actually.

^^ You're just in the way at this point.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm

Unable to disprove the canonical fact that it is the energies of creation you try to mock the Phoenix Force instead?
I've seen nothing that proves anything new concerning the PF, except the same old hyperbole.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
This irrelevant spam attack of scans unrelated to the point in debate just reeks of desperation.

Whatever. You continued to push the same nonsense but then had the
nerve to dismiss Entropy as whatever crap you were trying to sell.
When Entropy clearly On Panel exploded the Big Bang out of his body,
just like Sise-Neg, like Thanos, like the Alien Entity. (something PF has never done)

It was your classic style at its finest. I'm tired of that comedy.

I posted your supposed "big bang sentient energies" (PF) getting stomped by all kinds of characters. swank

Good night.

And what are you going to do about it if I'm in the way, tough guy?

Well what happened to Surtur?
At least the Phoenix can win this fight.

mmm Mr.M must have a Phoenix folder labeled specifically "Galactic Storm repellant".

Originally posted by abhilegend
And what are you going to do about it if I'm in the way, tough guy?

Uh oh...watch out for abhi the keyboard gangsta.

Originally posted by zopzop
Marvel's is a clusterphuck.

Can somebody please fix this broken record?

Originally posted by Sundipped
Well what happened to Surtur?
At least the Phoenix can win this fight.

mmm Mr.M must have a Phoenix folder labeled specifically "Galactic Storm repellant".



Uh oh...watch out for abhi the keyboard gangsta.



Can somebody please fix this broken record?
What?

Originally posted by abhilegend
All of them.

I don't think so.
She never gained any definitive win over him in any of those confrontations save the one where the Force took over Rachel's body.

Originally posted by zopzop
Quan, who do you think wins?
Sucking quan's dick of all people now, are ye? I say thee; UGH!

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, that is just a desperate move. Sad actually.
This is strange, considering you were one of the many people who mocked/dismissed Storm's opinion in that Time Trapper vs Phoenix thread.

Hypocrisy much?

Originally posted by Sundipped
Can somebody please fix this broken record?
He flip-flops better than an actual, real-life digital gate type flip-flop.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Substance-less?

You have Reed Richards explicitly stating that the Phoenix Force is the Big Bang.

You have the Phoenix Force stating on panel that it is the sum of all that is and the creator of the stars.

You have an on panel instance of where Galactus is disrupting the Forces connection to reality and the stars start fading which is on panel evidence that all the previous testimonies are correct. With the Watcher, Roma and Death all supporting the fact that its the Phoenixes power that prevents reality from being a void.

You have Tony Stark stating that to attempt to kill the Phoenix Force means figuring out how to crack "Universal expansion".

The evidence is numerous and from multiple reputable sources all portraying the same point throughout continuity, that the Phoenix Force is the sentient energies of creation and it manifests to perpetuate the creation cycle, being its own end which itself triggers the beginning of a new cycle.

http://imageshack.com/a/img862/5713/classicxmen024story2p15.jpg

http://imageshack.com/a/img28/7550/uncannyxmen10473.jpg

The very reason why Eternity calls it the Resurrection Force. The assurance of a new cycle.

http://imageshack.com/a/img140/2/xmenforever0616.jpg


The point is made consistently throughout continuity. You cannot objectively deny that the Phoenix Force is the Big Bang and that it perpetuates the creation cycle.
Yes, substance-less.

Reed Richards recently time-traveled 13 billion years back to the origin of the universe. The Big Bang era. And he didn't, not even once, mention anything about the Phoenix Force being the stuff in which his ship was wading through. Or the fact that Blastaar was left in a suit made random aliens in the midst of the Big Bang as well.

So all you have are statements instead of actual, indisputable proof like the X-Termination storyline which went out of its way to showcase how the Celestials constructed the original prime universe, shattered it into the present day multiverse, and then erected the walls between realities which imprisoned the Exterminators? That's it?

Tony Stark's actions, which are set in AvX, actually confirm that the PF was born from the Big Bang, not that it is the Big Bang. Crucial difference there.

I have seen the bulk of the evidence you've posted before, and most of it is something which should be taken with a grain of salt. Except for the Quentin Quire scans, none of the rest of your stuff can actually hold upto scrutiny, and even the recent X-Men scans are more or less the same hyperbole which, as L. Ron himself all but confirms, are stories told by extraterrestrial religious cults that worship the Phoenix as a god.

Get back to me the day you can get some actual proof of the Phoenix being the Big Bang, and then we'll talk. Until then, do try to refrain from spreading your propaganda like one of those in-comic nutjob fanatics who worship the PF, lol.

Originally posted by Epicurus
She never gained any definitive win over him in any of those confrontations save the one where the Force took over Rachel's body.
She did vastly better than most skyfathers do.Originally posted by Epicurus
This is strange, considering you were one of the many people who mocked/dismissed Storm's opinion in that Time Trapper vs Phoenix thread.

Hypocrisy much?

Originally posted by Epicurus
Sucking quan's dick of all people now, are ye? I say thee; UGH!
Asking his opinion is sucking d|ck?
Originally posted by Epicurus
He flip-flops better than an actual, real-life digital gate type flip-flop.
You failed at your pitiful attempts at trolling and yet you keep going. Get over it, you are supposedly an adult.

Ah, Phoenix easily.

Originally posted by abhilegend
She did vastly better than most skyfathers do.

She only bested him in only one of those encounters, and it was a hungry Galactus.

Do you think that Thor could best Surtur under his own power in a similar thread like this as well?

Originally posted by zopzop
Asking his opinion is sucking d|ck?
Nope, but sucking his dick does count as sucking his dick. Which is what you were doing there, Zop Flop the flopth.
Originally posted by zopzop
You failed at your pitiful attempts at trolling and yet you keep going. Get over it, you are supposedly an adult.


You're a funny cracker.

Originally posted by Epicurus
She only bested him in only one of those encounters, and it was a hungry Galactus.

Do you think that Thor could best Surtur under his own power in a similar thread like this as well?
Then it would be nice to see a skyfather actually beating a hungry Galactus.

You're taking AvX into account? In the same event where Phoenix avatars made a joke out of Thor? Thor never bested PF in combat anyway, he was about to get killed in every scenario.

Originally posted by Epicurus
Nope, but sucking his dick does count as sucking his dick. Which is what you were doing there, Zop Flop the flopth.



You're a funny cracker.

Wow. What an a hole.
Anyway, on topic....PF should logically be more powerful than Surtur but I'm having a hard trying to figure out HOW pf takes it.

Epicurus and Zopzop, you both can stop or I can step in.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Then it would be nice to see a skyfather actually beating a hungry Galactus.


A hungry Galactus got straight up KOed by Strange and the Thing in FF #243.

Regarding Phoenix: I remember in that fight between Phoenix/Galactus where it's stated the Phoenix has "limitless power", when earlier in that same series (Excalibur), Phoenix "strained herself to the limit" while containing an explosion of a mini-nuke.....Yeah, Phoenix does have a lot of hyperbole going around, and that's just one of the countless examples out there.

Just like in Excalibur #34 letter's page, where the editor said that the Phoenix is the creation force behind not one, but all realities. Later in issue #51 of the same series, we see Phoenix being born from the big bang. Meaning the previous letter's page statement is a hyperbole. Just like FF #522, Reed equates the PF to the Big bang, yet 9 issues later in FF #531-532, we never see the PF being associated with the big bang in any way. Just like in an issue of Ultimate X-Men it's stated that the Phoenix Force is the force behind the creation of the universe, yet later it's dissociated from the "force that created the Earth" and gets imprisoned/contained inside of the Earth....something just doesn't add up in those.

Id have my doubts regarding whether Phoenix is a creator of the universe or not.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Then it would be nice to see a skyfather actually beating a hungry Galactus.

You're taking AvX into account? In the same event where Phoenix avatars made a joke out of Thor? Thor never bested PF in combat anyway, he was about to get killed in every scenario.
Zeus.

I am talking about the time when Thor drove away Galactus using his Godblast. Emma was the only one who actually bested him in direct combat, and that too after he shattered her into a bazillion pieces. Her tp also failed against him.

Originally posted by operator616
A hungry Galactus got straight up KOed by Strange and the Thing in FF #243.

Regarding Phoenix: I remember in that fight between Phoenix/Galactus where it's stated the Phoenix has "limitless power", when earlier in that same series (Excalibur), Phoenix "strained herself to the limit" while containing an explosion of a mini-nuke.....Yeah, Phoenix does have a lot of hyperbole going around, and that's just one of the countless examples out there.

Just like in Excalibur #34 letter's page, where the editor said that the Phoenix is the creation force behind not one, but all realities. Later in issue #51 of the same series, we see Phoenix being born from the big bang. Meaning the previous letter's page statement is a hyperbole. Just like FF #522, Reed equates the PF to the Big bang, yet 9 issues later in FF #531-532, we never see the PF being associated with the big bang in any way. Just like in an issue of Ultimate X-Men it's stated that the Phoenix Force is the force behind the creation of the universe, yet later it's dissociated from the "force that created the Earth" and gets imprisoned/contained inside of the Earth....something just doesn't add up in those.

Id have my doubts regarding whether Phoenix is a creator of the universe or not.
Galactus was near death in that issue and was getting stalemated by Thor.

Originally posted by Epicurus
Zeus.

I am talking about the time when Thor drove away Galactus using his Godblast. Emma was the only one who actually bested him in direct combat, and that too after he shattered her into a bazillion pieces. Her tp also failed against him.
Amped by Chaos King. Not applicable.

Haha, what? Mar-vell punked him, Namor punked him, Emma punked him, Scott utterly raped him, Magik and Colossus punked him. All of PF avatars took their times to assrape Thor.

Emma's TP was weaksauce in that series. Rulk no sold it.

Originally posted by Epicurus
Zeus.

I am talking about the time when Thor drove away Galactus using his Godblast. Emma was the only one who actually bested him in direct combat, and that too after he shattered her into a bazillion pieces. Her tp also failed against him.

Zeus did it with an amp from chaos king who possessed him.

Originally posted by operator616
Regarding Phoenix: I remember in that fight between Phoenix/Galactus where it's stated the Phoenix has "limitless power", when earlier in that same series (Excalibur), Phoenix "strained herself to the limit" while containing an explosion of a mini-nuke.....Yeah, Phoenix does have a lot of hyperbole going around, and that's just one of the countless examples out there.

Don't forget the Phoenix straining herself in order to overpower Attuma's sword.
http://majorspoilers.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/BizarreAdventures276.jpg

^Universal level force/pressure being applied right there.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Galactus was near death in that issue and was getting stalemated by Thor.


Amped by Chaos King. Not applicable.

Haha, what? Mar-vell punked him, Namor punked him, Emma punked him, Scott utterly raped him, Magik and Colossus punked him. All of PF avatars took their times to assrape Thor.

Emma's TP was weaksauce in that series. Rulk no sold it.
The feat was performed mostly under Zeus' own power, so it is applicable.

So Mar-vell was a Phoenix avatar in that series? News to me. Namor beat him the span of a one-panel/one-page fight. I already told you the manner in which the Emma/Thor fight went, and had it not been for her regen she would have died. Magik and Colossus tagteamed him, not to mention that they were unable to kill Spider-Man as well in that series, so the low showing goes both ways.

The Rulk thing is yet another example of what an awful series that was, and you purposely confusing my Galactus/Godblast instance with that of the AvX goes to show hos disingenuous you can be to defend an agenda that you liberally mock in other threads.

Originally posted by operator616

A hungry Galactus got straight up KOed by Strange and the Thing in FF #243.

Regarding Phoenix: I remember in that fight between Phoenix/Galactus where it's stated the Phoenix has "limitless power", when earlier in that same series (Excalibur), Phoenix "strained herself to the limit" while containing an explosion of a mini-nuke.....Yeah, Phoenix does have a lot of hyperbole going around, and that's just one of the countless examples out there.

Just like in Excalibur #34 letter's page, where the editor said that the Phoenix is the creation force behind not one, but all realities. Later in issue #51 of the same series, we see Phoenix being born from the big bang. Meaning the previous letter's page statement is a hyperbole. Just like FF #522, Reed equates the PF to the Big bang, yet 9 issues later in FF #531-532, we never see the PF being associated with the big bang in any way. Just like in an issue of Ultimate X-Men it's stated that the Phoenix Force is the force behind the creation of the universe, yet later it's dissociated from the "force that created the Earth" and gets imprisoned/contained inside of the Earth....something just doesn't add up in those.

Originally posted by operator616

Id have my doubts regarding whether Phoenix is a creator of the universe.
Yep, yep. Especially considering that the PF, or its avatars have never done so on panel, or in handbooks.

While the Big Bang has been demonstrated/interpreted/illustrated 5 times On Panel,
and none of them had anything to do with the PF,
even indirectly, even by whispering its affiliation via an allusion.

But nah, nothing ... at ... all!

Also, aside from past cosmic significance (like all conceptual abstracts)
the Phoenix is a chump combatant and its durability is paltry to say the least.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Galactus was near death in that issue and was getting stalemated by Thor.


So....how does that change that he was hungry? It was mentioned directly before he was KOed, that he was weak but holding his own...after which Strange in conjunction with The Thing KOed him.

Originally posted by Epicurus
Don't forget the Phoenix straining herself in order to overpower Attuma's sword.
http://majorspoilers.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/BizarreAdventures276.jpg

^Universal level force/pressure being applied right there.

Originally posted by Epicurus
The feat was performed mostly under Zeus' own power, so it is applicable.

So Mar-vell was a Phoenix avatar in that series? News to me. Namor beat him the span of a one-panel/one-page fight. I already told you the manner in which the Emma/Thor fight went, and had it not been for her regen she would have died. Magik and Colossus tagteamed him, not to mention that they were unable to kill Spider-Man as well in that series, so the low showing goes both ways.

The Rulk thing is yet another example of what an awful series that was, and you purposely confusing my Galactus/Godblast instance with that of the AvX goes to show hos disingenuous you can be to defend an agenda that you liberally mock in other threads.
An amped Zeus did that. Galactus himself said that no skyfather could stand his eyebeams. So, no its not "mostly" under Zeus' power.

So you have nothing as usual.

Surtur still loses.Originally posted by Epicurus
Don't forget the Phoenix straining herself in order to overpower Attuma's sword.
http://majorspoilers.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/BizarreAdventures276.jpg

^Universal level force/pressure being applied right there.
That's non canon IIRC.

Originally posted by operator616
So....how does that change that he was hungry? It was mentioned directly before he was KOed, that he was weak but holding his own...after which Strange in conjunction with The Thing KOed him.

To be fair that was the Images of Ikon spell that Strange used. It made Galactus see images of all the people he had slain which would be in the trillions if not more. Special case in that instance.

Originally posted by operator616
So....how does that change that he was hungry? It was mentioned directly before he was KOed, that he was weak but holding his own...after which Strange in conjunction with The Thing KOed him.




There are degrees to Galactus' hunger but I don't have to told you so. In FF 243 he was damn near dead, in his fight with Phoenix he wasn't weakened to that degree.

Or a few battle ships from BRB: Godhunter are as powerful as anybody in cosmos.

srsly

Originally posted by abhilegend

That's non canon IIRC.

Bizzare adventures #27, is non canon?

Edit: you're not supposed to answer that, i know it's canon.

Originally posted by abhilegend
An amped Zeus did that. Galactus himself said that no skyfather could stand his eyebeams. So, no its not "mostly" under Zeus' power.

So you have nothing as usual.

Surtur still loses.
That's non canon IIRC.
The writer of the comic confirmed that the feat was performed primarily under Zeus' power. That says it all.

Except for actual on-panel evidence, as opposed to you sticking to hyperbole and a single fight which doesn't even prove anything worth anything.

Only in your wet dreams. In an actual forum fight, Surtur clearly wins.

Based on what? Your say-so? Forgive me if I ain't convinced. Anyways, that bizarre adventures storyline was mentioned in one of 616-Attuma's bios, so it is without a shadow of a doubt, canon.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Also, aside from past cosmic significance (like all conceptual abstracts)
the Phoenix is a chump combatant and its durability is paltry to say the least.

Perhaps but we still have the Force with an avatar able to completely no sell Galactus' attacks with ease and tank amped skyfather attacks (double the power in Doramammu) no prob.

@Epicurus:

Here's X-Factor Annual #4, page 10, referencing Bizarre Adventures #27:

http://i.imgur.com/bkQgOVy.jpg

Originally posted by operator616
Bizzare adventures #27, is non canon?

Edit: you're not supposed to answer that, i know it's canon.
It sure seems to be non canon AFAIK. Not that it matters, it was Jean with psychic barriers preventing her from accessing her powers.Originally posted by Epicurus
The writer of the comic confirmed that the feat was performed primarily under Zeus' power. That says it all.

Except for actual on-panel evidence, as opposed to you sticking to hyperbole and a single fight which doesn't even prove anything worth anything.

Only in your wet dreams. In an actual forum fight, Surtur clearly wins.

Based on what? Your say-so? Forgive me if I ain't convinced. Anyways, that bizarre adventures storyline was mentioned in one of 616-Attuma's bios, so it is without a shadow of a doubt, canon.
Pak says a lot of stuff. According to KMC rules, interviews are non-admissible.

Yeah, right. Odin wishes he could beat Galactus like that.

Eh, I'm not a phoenix fan. Take it to somebody who cares.

It matters little, it was shackled Phoenix.

Originally posted by operator616
@Epicurus:

Here's X-Factor Annual #4, page 10, referencing Bizarre Adventures #27:

http://i.imgur.com/bkQgOVy.jpg
Ok, its canon. But what is the purpose of posting a scene of shackled Jean here?

Originally posted by abhilegend
It sure seems to be non canon AFAIK. Not that it matters, it was Jean with psychic barriers preventing her from accessing her powers.

Pak says a lot of stuff. According to KMC rules, interviews are non-admissible.

Yeah, right. Odin wishes he could beat Galactus like that.

Eh, I'm not a phoenix fan. Take it to somebody who cares.

It matters little, it was shackled Phoenix.
It's canon. I already told you that it was referenced in a bio of 616-Attuma, and operator himself posted a scan from an X-Men Annual where it was referenced again. Lol, what psychic barriers? The ones which Attuma's guards put in place? Because Jean telepathically located them and shut them down before the fight with Attuma.

Pak was extrapolating upon that scene. Interviews on random boards. CBR is far from a random board, and a number of posters(including you yourself iirc) have used the opinions of writers from that site to validate their claims.

Considering the manner in which Old Thor, who has a severely depleted reserve of the Odinforce, is currently taking the fight to a similarly weakened version of Galactus, that's a stretch.

Of course you aren't, considering the the hypocritical manner in which you dismissed and mocked opinions of GS in the Time Trapper thread and are now touting along his **** in this one. Awful. Just awful.

Phoenix wasn't constrained in any way, shape or form in that comic. Her struggling to overwhelm Attuma was a simple, clear-as-day feat. No special context or circumstances in that scene whatsoever.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Ok, its canon. But what is the purpose of posting a scene of shackled Jean here?
What proof do you have that she was shackled? Or is yet another one of your made-up claims?

Originally posted by Epicurus
It's canon. I already told you that it was referenced in a bio of 616-Attuma, and operator himself posted a scan from an X-Men Annual where it was referenced again. Lol, what psychic barriers? The ones which Attuma's guards put in place? Because Jean telepathically located them and shut them down before the fight with Attuma. You seriously don't know about the psychic barriers Xavier put on Jean? Haha, oh god.

Interviews are non-admissible. Period.

Alternate Galactus.

Cry more. I was arguing AGAINST GS and I didn't mock his opinions.

Read the comic first. I know that's taboo for you, but try for once.

Originally posted by Epicurus
What proof do you have that she was shackled? Or is yet another one of your made-up claims?


Do you know like anything about Dark Phoenix saga?

Originally posted by abhilegend
You seriously don't know about the psychic barriers Xavier put on Jean? Haha, oh god.

Interviews are non-admissible. Period.

Alternate Galactus.

Cry more. I was arguing AGAINST GS and I didn't mock his opinions.

Read the comic first. I know that's taboo for you, but try for once.
You seriously know nothing about the 1980s era Phoenix? Or the fact that in the very same storyline it was shown how Jean had just recently resurrected from year long death?

From random boards. Apparently the difference between cbr and a random message board is too hard for you to grasp.

Yes you did. GS' prime position in that thread was guess what? The very same Big bang stuff that he's been mentioning in this thread. In the other thread you dismissed it as if it was a piece of drivel, and in here you defend him as if he's the damsel of your dreams.

I already have, which is why I know that there was no constraint on her when she struggled to overpower Attuma. Point proven.
Originally posted by abhilegend


Do you know like anything about Dark Phoenix saga?
Somebody give this buffoon a torrent link to the Bizarre Adventures issue. He apparently thinks that it occurred within a previous storyline. Nevermind the fact that said psychic barriers were broken down by the Phoenix after its full power erupted in the final battle of the DP saga.

^
Originally posted by Sundipped

the Force with an avatar able to completely no sell Galactus' attacks with ease
What are you referring to Sunnyd?

It can't be the Rachel encounter cause as you know:

http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t/18598481_G_hungry1.jpg http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t/18598482_G_hungry2.jpg

"I have need of sustenance" ... "I am weak, consumed by hunger"

Originally posted by Epicurus
You seriously know nothing about the 1980s era Phoenix? Or the fact that in the very same storyline it was shown how Jean had just recently resurrected from year long death?
facepalm

It was a flashback story. It was after some months later when Jean became phoenix as she explained it.

Its too hard for you to understand that there is no exception to CBR in rules.

TBF, I am not using the creation energies for anything, I'm using combat feats. At that time AvX had retconned it but now its been retconned again just a few days ago.



Read it again.

It happened two years ago from DP saga.

http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/issues/showquestion.asp?fldAuto=1645



Apparently you can't read properly.

Originally posted by Mr Master
^

What are you referring to Sunnyd?

It can't be the Rachel encounter cause as you know:

http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t/18598481_G_hungry1.jpg http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t/18598482_G_hungry2.jpg

"I have need of sustenance" ... "I am weak, consumed by hunger"

No sold with one hand:

http://s5d1.turboimagehost.com/t1/18598604_GalactusPhoenix_0004.jpg

Yeah I know he was weak but it was still a prolonged fight and he couldn't do absolutely ANYTHING. Now if he had managed to affect her in the slighest, then people would be all over this dragging Phoenix's name through the mud about how weak she was.

Originally posted by Mr Master
^

What are you referring to Sunnyd?

It can't be the Rachel encounter cause as you know:

http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t/18598481_G_hungry1.jpg http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t/18598482_G_hungry2.jpg

"I have need of sustenance" ... "I am weak, consumed by hunger"
Mr. M, I think what Team Phoenix is trying to say is :
Yes, we're aware Galactus was hungry when she confronted him. Hungry, not starving, that happened later as the fight progressed.

Have we seen a hungry, not starving, Galactus in action before? Yes.

Vs who?

Teneberous and Aegis. They caught him as he was about to feast. Teneberous couldn't put him down and it took Aegis jumping in with a sucker punch to KO hungry Galactus.

In your opinion, who would win? Teneberous and Aegis vs Surtur?


Mephisto is considered a high skyfather in his realm by many on this board. In that story where he faced off vs a hungry Galactus, he even one shot the Surfer while outside his realm. Inside his realm he couldn't put down a hungry Galactus or stop him from devouring his realm.

In your opinion who would win? Surtur vs Mephisto in his realm (as he was written in that story)?

Phoenix did better vs a hungry Galactus than the people I mentioned and they are considered Skyfathers (at least).

Not sure why you're so impressed by that battle, aside from its stellar artwork..? Galactus was hungry(a fact he confirmed multiple times), therefore his exact power-level was... Ambiguous, at best. Certainly that scene isn't indicative of how a battle between them would play out if Galactus had just fed. /shrug

Originally posted by Galan007
Not sure why you're so impressed by that battle, aside from its stellar artwork..? Galactus was hungry(a fact he confirmed multiple times), therefore his exact power-level was... Ambiguous, at best. Certainly that scene isn't indicative of how a battle between them would play out if Galactus had just fed. /shrug
We're comparing it to other people he fought while hungry. And the PF did better than they did. Understand now?

Yes, he's fought other beings while hungry. However, your opinion suggests that Galactus' level of hunger/power was the same each time--which subsequently suggests that his level of power doesn't vary in accordance with his level of hunger. It absolutely does. Thus comparing the various showings of a hungry Galactus, as though his hunger and power-level were the exact same in each showing, is flawed to the point of trolling.

Next time try to get your facts straight before you unwarrantedly act like a smartass. You'll look far less foolish.

Originally posted by Galan007
Yes, he's fought other beings while hungry. However, your opinion suggests that Galactus' level of hunger/power was the same each time--which subsequently suggests that his level of power doesn't vary in accordance with his level of hunger. It absolutely does. Thus comparing the various showings of a hungry Galactus, as though his power-level was the exact same in each showing, is flawed to the point of trolling.

Next time try to get your facts straight before you unwarrantedly act like a smartass. You'll look far less foolish.
The time the PF encountered Galactus he was setting up his machines about to consume a world.

The time TandA confront Galactus he's..............setting up his machines about to consume a world.

It's not hard is it?

No, it's not hard at all to understand that Galactus' level of hunger(and his level of power by proxy) varies. Tremendously. It's much easier to pretend like Galactus has been equally as hungry every single time he's fed, and thus has always possessed the exact same level of power. Lol, it amazes me that you can even claim things like this and expect to be taken seriously. It's almost as though... You know nothing about the characters you 'debate'.

Trolling is fun though, eh?

Originally posted by Galan007
No, it's not hard at all to understand that Galactus' level of hunger(and his level of power by proxy) varies. It's much easier to troll and act like every time Galactus has been hungry, he's had the exact same level of power. Lol, it amazes me that you can even claim something like this and expect to be taken seriously. It's almost as though... You know nothing about that characters you 'debate'.

Trolling is fun though, eh?
Yes, Galactus operates at different levels depending on his hunger :
Full (when he took on Tyrant), Hungry (when he took on Mephisto, the PF, and TandA), Starving (when the Reed slingshotted Thing to KO him).

You really believe the comic writers have different levels of "hungry"? 20% hungry? 50% hungry? 67% hungry?

TandA, Mephisto, and the PF took him on while he was hungry. In the TandA and PF exampes, he was setting up his machines to consume a planet when they confronted him. I don't get what's so complicated.

Originally posted by zopzop
Yes, Galactus operates at different levels depending on his hunger Glad we agree.

Thus acting like all of his 'hungry' showings should be treated equally is idiotically foolish, and makes no canonical sense.

Love that encounter

Originally posted by Galan007
Glad we agree.

Thus acting like all of his 'hungry' showings should be treated equally is idiotically foolish, and makes no canonical sense.
Prove they aren't.

On panel he's described himself as : satiated, hungry, and starving. He's never stated "I'm 10% less hungry today than when I was when I faced off vs X". You're telling me there's degrees of the "hungry" state. Prove it.

Originally posted by zopzop
Prove they aren't. ... Originally posted by zopzop
Yes, Galactus operates at different levels depending on his hunger Do different people use your account, or are you just a schizo?

And if you need me to prove that Galactus' power-level varies in accordance with his hunger-level, then you clearly do not possess even a basic working knowledge of the character, and as such, have no business discussing him in the first place.

I am amazed at how hungry Big G is or not . He was defeated. Oh well. Surtur isn't defeating the Force

Originally posted by zopzop

Yes, we're aware Galactus was hungry when she confronted him. Hungry, not starving, that happened later as the fight progressed.

I don't remember a level of hunger being alluded to,
or a level of hunger that digressed as time passed.

G was hungry, that is all ... and got stomped for it.

Rachel on the other hand, (minus stipulations) still gets one-shot k.o'd by Thor.

http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/18599446_PF_ko.jpg

Thor states, Rachel's power (Phoenix Force) is less than nothing to him.

I remember that

Originally posted by Galan007
... Do different people use your account, or are you just a schizo?
Why are you quoting out of context?

That's the whole quote.



Nice dodge (not really) but whatever. Galactus has only ever been depicted at three levels of hunger :
Full, Hungry, Starving. The times he went up against PF and TandA he was in the "hungry" state and about to feast on a world.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I don't remember a level of hunger being alluded to,
or a level of hunger that digressed as time passed.

G was hungry, that is all ... and got stomped for it.

Rachel on the other hand, (minus stipulations) still gets one-shot k.o'd by Thor.

http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/18599446_PF_ko.jpg

Thor states, Rachel's power (Phoenix Force) is less than nothing to him.
So you're telling me Thor >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hungry Galactus?

Because Thor one shot Rachel, yet Rachel wtfstomped a hungry Galactus.

Unless I'm mistaken, the best Thor did vs a hungry Galactus was cause him to retreat and this was after he got through fighting Ego.

Originally posted by zopzop
Nice dodge (not really) but whatever. Galactus has only ever been depicted at three levels of hunger :
Full, Hungry, Starving. The times he went up against PF and TandA he was in the "hungry" state and about to feast on a world. So when Galactus is about to devour a world, he is always at the exact same level of hunger/power, iyo? Lol, truly you've reached new levels of ridiculousness.

And on that note, I'm done here. You may have the last word if you must.

Originally posted by zopzop

So you're telling me Thor >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hungry Galactus?
... not exactly my point good friend.
Originally posted by zopzop

Because Thor one shot Rachel, yet Rachel wtfstomped a hungry Galactus.

There's my point. Perhaps, and seemingly so imo, Galactus was more hungry that you're suggesting.

Originally posted by Mr Master
... not exactly my point good friend.

There's my point. Perhaps, and seemingly so imo, Galactus was more hungry that you're suggesting.
Mr. M, he stated he was hungry and that's it. As the fight progressed and Rachel manhandled him, he stated he was starving.

Galactus has a habit of making people aware of his current state of hunger.

He was hungry vs Rachel, vs TandA, vs Mephisto in his realm.

He was satiated vs Tyrant.

He was starving vs Keeper (alt reality), the time Reed slingshotted Thing into him, and more instances I'm probably not recalling.