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Who would win?

Going with the good count if only due to experience and Luke's lack of it.

Count Dookie

Dooku.

Dooku has a chance, but if Luke goes all-out like he did against Vader, he will batter down Dooku's defenses and beat him just like Anakin did.

The situation in which Luke beat Vader would never play out between Dooku and Luke. Luke was already emotionally unstable and Vader threatens to turn Leia, then Luke blows up.

Still, though, he was already winning the duel against Vader.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Still, though, he was already winning the duel against Vader.
Nah I'd say they were pretty even until that point.

Dooku, but it's close.

Lightning is a big help to Dooku here imo.

Also I seem to recall that Luke only learned how to resist a Force Choke after RotJ.

no

Dooku kicks his ass.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Nah I'd say they were pretty even until that point.

Maybe you should try reading the novel, then.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Lightning is a big help to Dooku here imo.

Also I seem to recall that Luke only learned how to resist a Force Choke after RotJ.

Is everyone joking?

Count Dooku takes out ROTJ Luke in a few seconds. If that.

I must have not being paying attention, but I was under the impression that at some point the general consensus was that Vader wasn't trying his utmost to kill Luke during their fight on the Death Star.

Considering the sloppy slow moves we see in the original trilogy dooku will beat luke within seconds

Originally posted by A Terrible Rod
I must have not being paying attention, but I was under the impression that at some point the general consensus was that Vader wasn't trying his utmost to kill Luke during their fight on the Death Star.

Yeah, actually except for the barely canon novelisation, this is exactly the case. Vader is throwing the fight.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Is everyone joking?

Count Dooku takes out ROTJ Luke in a few seconds. If that.

ROTJ Luke is said to be ROTJ Vader's equal and Dooku could never take out Vader in a few seconds.

Originally posted by Nalaniel
ROTJ Luke is said to be ROTJ Vader's equal


Where was that stated?

Lucas confirms in the ROTJ audio commentary that Luke was only half trained and not good enough to take on Vader yet.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Where was that stated?

Lucas confirms in the ROTJ audio commentary that Luke was only half trained and not good enough to take on Vader yet.
Confirmed in the novel, comic adaption, an Insider issue, a Fact File, etc. Luke was Vader's equal in raw swordsmanship, like it or not.

Lucas >>>>>>>> all of those though.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Lucas >>>>>>>> all of those though.
Waiting for the quote.

The fight this time was far more balanced. Vader discovered that Luke was his match, and, once again, the Sith Lord found his thoughts straying to an alliance between them against the Emperor.
Luke had indeed grown powerful since Bespin, and he was an equal match for his father.

- Taken from The Official Star Wars Fact File #111

But you're right, what Lucas says is the highest level of canon.

Tyranus destroys Luke.

We're talking about someone who fights Grievous, Ventress, Opress, Anakin, and Kenobi and beats all of them(with the exception of Anakin taking considerable effort) casually.

Not to mention he survives encounters with Yoda and Windu.

ROTJ Luke is strong, sure, but Vader was clearly conflicted and holding back. Dooku won't be at all. Supreme swordsmanship skills and top 5 Force mastery for his era, experience second to only Yoda, and knowledge of both Jedi and Sith teachings ensure a swift victory. This is a joke.

Don't try the "Djem So" over powering argument because Tyranus had countless duels with Anakin, whom was clearly better than Luke up until that point in everything.

Dooku stomps. This is borderline spite, imo.

It's not borderline. It is outright spite.


Originally posted by Intrepid37
Waiting for the quote.


I've given my ROTJ to someone, but check it yourself. It's in the audio commentary on the scene where Luke visits Yoda. Lucas says something to the effect off, "He's only half trained and not fully equipped to take on Vader."

And I know this isn't TCW, but Dave Filoni is of the opinion that any Jedi Council member would hand ROTJ Luke his ass. Consider that Filoni has had daily discussions with Lucas on SW for the last 6 years.

Still waiting for the quote that says Luke wasn't good enough to fight Vader.

^ Check my edit. You can check it and write the exact quote yourself.

I don't have the thing.

Well hopefully someone with the DVD will quote it for us.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
It's not borderline. It is outright spite.





I've given my ROTJ to someone, but check it yourself. It's in the audio commentary on the scene where Luke visits Yoda. Lucas says something to the effect off, "He's only half trained and not fully equipped to take on Vader."

And I know this isn't TCW, but Dave Filoni is of the opinion that any Jedi Council member would hand ROTJ Luke his ass. Consider that Filoni has had daily discussions with Lucas on SW for the last 6 years.

Coleman Trebor = Jedi Council Master.

Jango Fett can now kill RotJ Luke Skywalker.

/thread.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Jango Fett can now kill RotJ Luke Skywalker. He did pretty well against AotC Kenobi. srug










herbhappy

Jango Fett should have lived. He's infinitely more interesting and badass than Boba or Anakin.

Why?

He was polite, amiable, resourceful, something of a protective parent, and a shade greyer than anyone else in the PT.

You ever read Jango Fett: Open Seasons?

If not, you should.

I haven't. Might pick it up then.

A badass to the end, though. Wish we could say the same for General Grievous.

Really, this is all he ever was:

http://www.itsalltrue.net/reviews/advimages/2010/grie8.jpg

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
It's not borderline. It is outright spite.





I've given my ROTJ to someone, but check it yourself. It's in the audio commentary on the scene where Luke visits Yoda. Lucas says something to the effect off, "He's only half trained and not fully equipped to take on Vader."

And I know this isn't TCW, but Dave Filoni is of the opinion that any Jedi Council member would hand ROTJ Luke his ass. Consider that Filoni has had daily discussions with Lucas on SW for the last 6 years.

Wait does Filoni really say any Jedi Council member would hand Luke his ass?

http://cdn.specktra.net/f/fe/fef19ec0_ir11aTpJYy8gp.gif

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Really, this is all he ever was:

http://www.itsalltrue.net/reviews/advimages/2010/grie8.jpg Did you ever hear the tragedy of General Grievous, the incompetent?

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Wait does Filoni really say any Jedi Council member would hand Luke his ass? If so, I can only *hope* he was referring to the RotS-era council.

Coleman Trebor > Vader. You heard it from Filoni. T canon.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Wait does Filoni really say any Jedi Council member would hand Luke his ass?



http://uk.ign.com/articles/2012/03/21/star-wars-the-clone-wars-looking-back-at-season-4?page=1

Bottom of page 1:


Because when I was a kid, the Jedi were a much bigger mystery than they are now. We never really saw one except Obi-Wan, and he was old. And then we got to meet Yoda, but he was old. And Luke, let's face it, he was never really the best. I have a notion that anyone on the Council could really kick his butt. He had a lot of heart though, right? He had a lot going for him. And almost it was what he didn't know that made him really dangerous to the Emperor, it's just love for his father -- but he wasn't going to take you out with his lightsaber skills, that was for sure.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Coleman Trebor > Vader. You heard it from Filoni. T canon. Originally posted by DARTH POWER
http://uk.ign.com/articles/2012/03/21/star-wars-the-clone-wars-looking-back-at-season-4?page=1

Bottom of page 1:


Because when I was a kid, the Jedi were a much bigger mystery than they are now. We never really saw one except Obi-Wan, and he was old. And then we got to meet Yoda, but he was old. And Luke, let's face it, he was never really the best. I have a notion that anyone on the Council could really kick his butt. He had a lot of heart though, right? He had a lot going for him. And almost it was what he didn't know that made him really dangerous to the Emperor, it's just love for his father -- but he wasn't going to take you out with his lightsaber skills, that was for sure.

It's canon. We approve.

Filoni isn't a canon source.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Filoni isn't a canon source.

http://www.myfacewhen.net/uploads/4014-wait-what.jpg

^ Accurate.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Filoni isn't a canon source.


Lucas states in the ROTJ audio commentary (scene where Luke visits Yoda) that Luke doesn't have the skill set to match Vader because he never completed his training.


Could someone with the DVD please watch the scene and quote the exact wording. I've given the Original trilogy to my niece, so don't have access to it.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
http://www.myfacewhen.net/uploads/4014-wait-what.jpg

O face.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Lucas states in the ROTJ audio commentary (scene where Luke visits Yoda) that Luke doesn't have the skill set to match Vader because he never completed his training.


Could someone with the DVD please watch the scene and quote the exact wording. I've given the Original trilogy to my niece, so don't have access to it.
I'm going with what I know until further proof has been provided.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
I'm going with what I know until further proof has been provided.


At least check the source I've given before you write it off. You'll have to anyway even when I give you the quote since you don't seem to trust what I'm saying.

He's a troll.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
At least check the source I've given before you write it off. You'll have to anyway even when I give you the quote since you don't seem to trust what I'm saying.
If it's valid, then I'll change my mind. But it's pretty weird that four sources would explicitly contradict it.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
He's a troll. GTFO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry for the spite thread!

Originally posted by Galan007
GTFO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! \

YES WAI

Originally posted by Nalaniel
Sorry for the spite thread!

No worries.

It's more FUEL FOR THE FIYAH.

I'm on of the better posters here, lol @ troll.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
No worries.

It's more FUEL FOR THE FIYAH.

What exactly do you mean? Wait, do I want to know that?

Originally posted by Intrepid37
I'm on of the better posters here, lol @ troll.

Awww! You're so cute!

Originally posted by Nalaniel
What exactly do you mean? Wait, do I want to know that?

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff221/chimericalphotoz/flamewar.gif

I really had to laugh...