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Mace solos

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Mace solos

Didn't Mace a trouble with just Bulq?

Or is Vos just a non-enity here?

I think Bulq got lucky. On neutral grounds, it would have been a stomp.

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I can't read any of that dialogue, but Mace looks okay there.

You can zoom in.

No, I can't. Chrome is being evil to me.

I use Chrome and I was able to zoom in easily.

Proof or you lai.

English. I demand English.

Unreasonable demands.

MACE SOLOS

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
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As soon as Mace gets serious he KOs Bulq. I think adding Vos in won't really tip the scales in Sora's favor.

Mace isn't soloing.

Mace in a non retarded duel would WTFPWN Bulq, he even sent Bulq flying like the ugly bastard he is.

Quinlan would also get his ass kicked Pulp fiction style.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Mace isn't soloing.

If Agen Kolar can defeat Vos in two panels, what do you think a serious Mace would do to him?

Originally posted by Lord Stark
If Agen Kolar can defeat Vos in two panels, what do you think a serious Mace would do to him?
And Agen approaches Mace as a swordsman.

Vos got his ass kicked by Cad Bane a non force sensitive. Beating Vos isn't that hard to do.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
And Agen approaches Mace as a swordsman.

Mace has mastered the 7 forms, disarmed Sidious, sparred on even grounds with Yoda and Dooku, forced Ventress into retreat, and KO'd Bulq without distractions. All of these are way above Agen.

BUT MACE HAD A MASSIVE AMP UND THE ROTS NOVEL SAYZ HE WAS NO MATCH FOR HIM.

Because Lucas's word is to be taken seriously!

^Lul, even if we take that out, sparring with the likes of Dooku and Yoda evenly are leaps and bounds away from Agen. Mace pwns Vos in seconds then takes Bulq in a decent fight.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Mace has mastered the 7 forms, disarmed Sidious, sparred on even grounds with Yoda and Dooku, forced Ventress into retreat, and KO'd Bulq without distractions. All of these are way above Agen.
C'mon, bro. Mace isn't ''way above'' duelists such as Agen, just as he wasn't ''way above'' Asajj or Sora.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
C'mon, bro. Mace isn't ''way above'' duelists such as Agen, just as he wasn't ''way above'' Asajj or Sora.

Are you serious? Mace beats Bulq and sends Ventress into retreat in that comic. What's more he's stated multiple times to be the equal of the good Count, we all know how Dooku has humiliated people on Ventress' and Sora's calibre.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Mace beats Bulq
After a lengthy fight.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
and sends Ventress into retreat in that comic.
Which, per a Fact file, required him to utilize all of his skill.


Originally posted by Lord Stark
What's more he's stated multiple times to be the equal of the good Count,
Dooku is not considerably above duelists of Sora's calibre either.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
we all know how Dooku has humiliated people on Ventress' and Sora's calibre.
Dooku never humiliated Ventress through sheer lightsaber combat, and while he did so to Sora, that just means Dooku is better than Mace is, thus rendering your comparison between Mace and Dooku useless.

You can't just say he's marginally above them dawg? That might save you a lot of time replying to stuff you've argued before. I was done riding Mace's chocolate train a long time ago, Talzin made him look like a ***** ya feel me brutha?

Originally posted by Intrepid37
After a lengthy fight.

Debatable.



Still made her admit inferiority and forced her into retreat.




He nearly killed Kenobi with a single well placed kick. If he were fighting only Kenobi he would have diced him up in a follow up.



He successfully holds off Ventress and her sisters while blind and drugged.

Has her on the defensive here,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUclUEMosm0

Holds her off while drugged and blind and outnumbered here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6s6lHLJBvE

Lol stomps her here,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhnY8pU3rFc


And Mace is the only Jedi to receive the 'second only to Yoda' accolade.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Debatable.
Not really.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Still made her admit inferiority and forced her into retreat.
The point we're discussing isn't whether Mace is her superior or not; we already know that. It's by how much he's superior that is important, and as the Fact file confirms, it's not by an amount that defines ''way above''.



Originally posted by Lord Stark
He nearly killed Kenobi with a single well placed kick. If he were fighting only Kenobi he would have diced him up in a follow up.
Yup, pretty impressive kick there.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
He successfully holds off Ventress and her sisters while blind and drugged.

Has her on the defensive here,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUclUEMosm0

Holds her off while drugged and blind and outnumbered here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6s6lHLJBvE

Lol stomps her here,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhnY8pU3rFc
He only casually beat her in the last video, which was right at the start of her training.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
And Mace is the only Jedi to receive the 'second only to Yoda' accolade.
Again, no one's saying he isn't better than Agen, Sora, Asajj etc., it's the amount of difference we're talking about.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Not really.

Mace mid-diffed him, then went on to low diff Ventress.



I mean either way I consider Ventress superior to Agen.




Because using the force is easier. Doesn't mean she's not firmly below him in sabers.




According to the dudes who made the fights.

Tier 9:
Yoda
Mace
Sidious
Anakin
(Dooku presumably)

Tier 8:
Kenobi
The rest

Tier 7:
Some of the rest

I think Mace is ahead of Kenobi who is firmly above people like Agen.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Mace mid-diffed him,
He never had an edge in the after several blows were exchanged, bro.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
then went on to low diff Ventress.
It's not a low difficulty fight when it requires all of his skill.


Originally posted by Lord Stark
I mean either way I consider Ventress superior to Agen.

I don't, but it doesn't really matter.


Originally posted by Lord Stark
Because using the force is easier. Doesn't mean she's not firmly below him in sabers.
She's firmly below him as in she's never going to win, but she's not firmly below him as she can't challenge him.




Originally posted by Lord Stark
According to the dudes who made the fights.

Tier 9:
Yoda
Mace
Sidious
Anakin
(Dooku presumably)

Tier 8:
Kenobi
The rest

Tier 7:
Some of the rest

I think Mace is ahead of Kenobi who is firmly above people like Agen.
Kenobi is far from ''firmly'' above duelists the calibre of Agen. I'd probably call them even, actually.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
He never had an edge in the after several blows were exchanged, bro.


It's not a low difficulty fight when it requires all of his skill.




I don't, but it doesn't really matter.



She's firmly below him as in she's never going to win, but she's not firmly below him as she can't challenge him.





Kenobi is far from ''firmly'' above duelists the calibre of Agen. I'd probably call them even, actually.

Agen's performance against Sidious really hurts him here. Under no circumstances would Mace, or even Kenobi get offed in such an embarrassing manner.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Agen's performance against Sidious really hurts him here. Under no circumstances would Mace, or even Kenobi get offed in such an embarrassing manner.
I reference Sidious' absolute ragdolling of Maul and Savage, whose Force feats exceed Mace's and Kenobi's.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
I reference Sidious' absolute ragdolling of Maul and Savage, whose Force feats exceed Mace's and Kenobi's.


That has nothing to do with a Saber fight. And Mace has greater force feats than Maul/Savage anyway. (Completely crushing 2 Destroyer droids with a Force Blast, Deflecting Sidious's FL, and that's not even counting the CW Mini cartoon).

Also Dooku has fought off Ventress plus 2 nightsisters while drugged and blind. Dooku has also danced around Ventress and Savage together, flooring Ventress a couple of times in the process.

So yeah Dooku is above Ventress in every way, and by a large margin. Can she put up a fight? Sure. But a pretty short one if it's one on one.

Maul and Savage hurled several dozen soldiers away with with their combined Force pushes, bro.

Mace has more trouble moving an AT-TE than Maul and Savage does moving shuttler larger than that.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Maul and Savage hurled several dozen soldiers away with with their combined Force pushes, bro.

Key word there is combined. I've not argued Mace has greater force powers than Maul and Savage combined.

And if you count the CW Mini then Mace has done that to hundreds of droids.



Originally posted by Intrepid37
Mace has more trouble moving an AT-TE than Maul and Savage does moving shuttler larger than that.

I don't remember Mace struggling with that feat at all. And we don't know the exact weight of the AT-TE in comparison to those shttules. The AT-TE is a tank so might be heavier.

Still doesn't compare to Mace completely crushing Destroyer droids, and deflecting Sidious's FL.

Sidious was wrecking Maul and Savage combined, bro.

The shuttles are bigger than the tank

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Sidious was wrecking Maul and Savage combined, bro.


If your arguing that Sidious could TK Mace around, then that's probably true. Although it's harder to do such a thing mid-saber combat, when Mace is putting Sidious under pressure.


Originally posted by Intrepid37
The shuttles are bigger than the tank

That's questionable. The shuttle's are longer, but do not have the same depth to them. And the weight will depend on what they're carrying. Also I don't remember Mace struggling.

Again none of Maul/Savage's feats compares to Crushing Destroyer droids or Deflecting Sidious's FL.

They're longer, taller and wider because of the wings.

Mace was visibly gathering energy before pushing it.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
They're longer, taller and wider because of the wings.

I know it's the wings that give it the height/width. Whilst the AT-TE's are much larger in the inside, hence why I say they could weigh more. But we don't know for sure unless some fact file gives us the weight.


Originally posted by Intrepid37
Mace was visibly gathering energy before pushing it.

Doesn't mean he needed to. Besides so did Savage. And Maul's feat was out of desperation.

Again completely crushing Destroyer droids and battle droids plus deflecting Sidious's Lightning are both much greater Force feats than anything Maul or Savage ever did.

There's much more metal on the shuttles, bro.

Why would he do it if he didn't need to? Savage didn't do it, he just struck out his hand and it flew over.

Also, LOL@ starwars.com claiming the AT-TE is 13 meters tall.

Originally posted by Intrepid37


Why would he do it if he didn't need to? Savage didn't do it, he just struck out his hand and it flew over.


Check it yourself bro:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueaQ_eKV-9M

1:47-1:49. Savage spends a good couple of seconds gathering energy himself. And Maul's was more instantaneous because he was in a more desperate situation. He couldn't waste a second in his situation.

Fair point. It's still fairly bigger than the tank though.

^ I don't know, it's just the wings really that make it seem bigger. But tanks tend to weigh more. Probably made of a tougher metal to take blasts, and have to be able to carry loads of troops and weapons.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
I reference Sidious' absolute ragdolling of Maul and Savage, whose Force feats exceed Mace's and Kenobi's.


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Nothing to do with swordsmanship.

With this herring, debate at KMC.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
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Nothing to do with swordsmanship.
You never said it had to.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
You never said it had to.

You said Agen approaches Mace as a swordsman. I disputed this on the grounds that Mace's performance against Sidious and Dooku suggest otherwise.


Kenobi's performances against Maul, who in turn performed fairly well against Sidious also suggest he wouldn't get murked by Sidious like Agen, Saesee and even Kit were.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
You said Agen approaches Mace as a swordsman. I disputed this on the grounds that Mace's performance against Sidious and Dooku suggest otherwise.


Kenobi's performances against Maul, who in turn performed fairly well against Sidious also suggest he wouldn't get murked by Sidious like Agen, Saesee and even Kit were.
Sora Bulq did well against Mace. Agen did better against Vos than Sora did.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Sora Bulq did well against Mace. Agen did better against Vos than Sora did.

Sora Bulq had the advantage of likely sparring with Mace a lot when they were developing Vaapad, and Mace still won.

Against Vos, he didn't have his Shoto and had just finished dueling Tholme. So yes deprived of one of his weapons and likely having expended energy defeating Tholme he did worse than Agen. This means nothing.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Sora Bulq had the advantage of likely sparring with Mace a lot when they were developing Vaapad, and Mace still won.

Against Vos, he didn't have his Shoto and had just finished dueling Tholme. So yes deprived of one of his weapons and likely having expended energy defeating Tholme he did worse than Agen. This means nothing.
So because they sparred together, it makes the feat invalid?

Force adepts can refill energy at whim and Sora never showed any sign of exhaustion.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
So because they sparred together, it makes the feat invalid?

Force adepts can refill energy at whim and Sora never showed any sign of exhaustion.

At a whim?

What BS.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
At a whim?

What BS.
Dooku.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Dooku.

New word for you:

Proof.

Try figuring out how to directly cite instead of just going "vague thing here, thus it is evident". Your trolling burns too many calories as it is.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
New word for you:

Proof.

Try figuring out how to directly cite instead of just going "vague thing here, thus it is evident". Your trolling burns too many calories as it is.
No, I'm having a good time actually. Your strong emotions are a pleasure to observe.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
No, I'm having a good time actually. Your strong emotions are a pleasure to observe.

Said your mother, every night.

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Your mother is ugly.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Your mother is ugly.

That's all you got?

Your father is also ugly.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
So because they sparred together, it makes the feat invalid?

Force adepts can refill energy at whim and Sora never showed any sign of exhaustion.

No, Sora's feat is impressive none the less. Yeah, people never show exhaustion in comics until after the battle. You still didn't address the disadvantage Sora had lacking his weapon (also he still owns Vos)

Can't remember Sora's fight with Vos, I'll check soon.

Oh, and:

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Your father is also ugly.

You get a blue star for trying.

Thats the only time someone has recovered that swiftly and it doesn't say how much he actually did recover either.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Can't remember Sora's fight with Vos, I'll check soon.

Oh, and:

Post it please, I am mostly going off descriptions and memory. I just remember reading it and going.
"Lul Bulq dominated, Vos sucks"

Has Vos ever actually won a fight on his own merits?

He had an edge over Aayla iirc.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Has Vos ever actually won a fight on his own merits?

Well there's actually some concept art by TCW team of Vos fighting Maul. Don't know if it's to happen in the upcoming comic book which will wrap up Maul's story.