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They fight on the Death Star.

Team, easily.

Team, easily.

So Revan and Malak are superior to Anakin and Obi-Wan?

You can't seriously be suggesting Dooku=Anakin+Kenobi. With that logic, Ventress=Anakin+Kenobi.

No, I'm suggesting that Anakin and Obi-Wan can't easily defeat Dooku.

Perhaps I should ask this question first before I continue, because my current argument is based off of it: Does Malak have the Star Forge amp?

No.

Originally posted by Nephthys
So Revan and Malak are superior to Anakin and Obi-Wan?

Not necessarily.

ABC logic and all that.

Although, I'd be inclined to say they are.

Ah okay, I made the assumption he did indeed have the amp, my mistake.

With such, I don't think it is far-fetched to claim Darth Revan is the equal of Revan during the end of his quest on Lehon. Then again, this is an assumption, but it's based off this:
1. Darth Revan is stated to be superior to Darth Malak.
2. Darth Malak (no amp) is more powerful then Revan via Leviathan.
3. Darth Malak states Revan on Star Forge > Darth Revan
4. The only quests in between Leviathan and Star Forge is Korriban and the "Unknown World"
5. Based on how he lost to Darth Malak, I doubt he would have became more powerful then Darth Malak in the quest right after Leviathan, so Darth Revan can't be equal to Korriban Revan.
6. The only logical position is that Darth Revan = Lehon Revan

So Lehon Revan and Darth Malak vs Dooku?
Lehon Revan has demonstrated feats of beating Sith Rancors (I call them Sith Rancors because I am not in the mood to spend 5 minutes on google trying to find the correct name, for you know what I am referring to) and defeating the Sith Academies headmasters. Not to mention also defeating Darth Bandon, Calo Nord, and Mandalore the Ultimate. He has his far share of good feats. Malak is also very powerful, but still lesser then Revan. I don't think it's far fetched that they can't beat Dooku, because I think they can, and they will.

Haha, great.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Haha, great.
What is so funny?

So this is Jedi Civil War Darth Revan and unamped Malak?

The Count takes this with extreme difficulty imo.

As far as sabers go, Dooku takes it. Malak's aggressive one handed style (which I always assumed was a Djem So, Makashi combo) will press Tyranus, but ultimately not to the point where Tyranus cannot pressure Revan and eventually down him.

If this were the Revan reborn however, his mastery of both the lightside and the dark would prove too much for Dooku with Malak by his side.

Originally posted by Nephthys
No, I'm suggesting that Anakin and Obi-Wan can't easily defeat Dooku.

Because Anakin can do it himself.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
So this is Jedi Civil War Darth Revan and unamped Malak?

The Count takes this with extreme difficulty imo.

As far as sabers go, Dooku takes it. Malak's aggressive one handed style (which I always assumed was a Djem So, Makashi combo) will press Tyranus, but ultimately not to the point where Tyranus cannot pressure Revan and eventually down him.

If this were the Revan reborn however, his mastery of both the lightside and the dark would prove too much for Dooku with Malak by his side.

Revan Reborn or Star Forge Malak are good fights for Dooku solo.

^Indeed. I think Revan is more powerful than Dooku, but that the Count would take it. Revan focused on force mastery, whereas Dooku focused on both the force and saber combat. Dooku's Makashi would breach Revan's defense imo.

Revan and Malak take turns with the Count.

Revan's Niman and Ataru shouldn't be that bad against Dooku's Makashi.

^Before or after the Count busts a load on Revan's mask and then gets a blowjob (well a really strange blowjob) from Malak.

Its more like a rubjob.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Revan's Niman and Ataru shouldn't be that bad against Dooku's Makashi.

Where is it stated Revan practiced Ataru?

Originally posted by Lord Stark
^Before or after the Count busts a load on Revan's mask and then gets a blowjob (well a really strange blowjob) from Malak.

Dude's too old for that.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Where is it stated Revan practiced Ataru?
Well it's stated he practiced then all.
"...though he was skilled in all of them - he was always more of a generalist than a specialist."
―Drew Karpyshyn (Author)

But based on his fight against the TOR strike team (his jumps and such) and his battle against the imperial guard (his jumps and such), Ataru is probably one of his main forms.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Well it's stated he practiced then all.
"...though he was skilled in all of them - he was always more of a generalist than a specialist."
―Drew Karpyshyn (Author)

But based on his fight against the TOR strike team (his jumps and such) and his battle against the imperial guard (his jumps and such), Ataru is probably one of his main forms.

Its stated he was more of a generalist than a specialist. Remember Niman incorporates Ataru into it. Even on geonosis many fodder Jedi incorporate jumps and stuff.

The Count has a good chance here.

Revan at this point is weaker than his KOTOR self, and that was before he received his power amp. Considering I don't think peak Revan could defeat Dooku or Anakin, and the fact that Malak is significantly weaker than Revan at this point, Dooku should definitely fare far better against these two than the Ani and Obi duo, who he has held an advantage over before.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Its stated he was more of a generalist than a specialist. Remember Niman incorporates Ataru into it. Even on geonosis many fodder Jedi incorporate jumps and stuff.
Meh. Summersaults and jumping atleast 15 meters seem pretty Ataru to me.

He is a generalist that relies mainly on Niman and it's incorporation of Force based attacks and lack of significant weakness--But he also is a skilled practitioner of the other forms, and switches between them when the situation calls for it.

For instance, we've seen canonical images of him facing off against Mandalorian shooters with a reverse grip--Which indicates Shien, a style that specializes in the aggressive redirection of blaster bolts. In the Revan novel we see him use highly acrobatic and fast paced maneuvers when faced with a member of the Imperial Guard--A singular meele type opponent, which indicates Ataru.

When he's preparing to go to battle with Bastila's strike team, Revan takes a Juyo stance to allot unpredictable and aggressive attacks to gain an advantage against experienced duelists.

He's a generalist who mainly uses Niman because of it's allowance to incorporate the Force into combat, as well as it's lack of overall weakness, but when the situation calls for it he switches between singular forms as well.

Of course, while this seems like a foolproof strategy, he still hasn't achieved mastery of any of the 7 forms except perhaps Niman, so his level of ability in each area is strongly limited.

That's how I see it, anyway.

Revan fights with Juyo.

You can see it when you fight him in Swtor.

See:

0j6_LrzhURg

Revan fight. Look at the icon above Revans health bar. Now look here:

Juyo Form.

He switches to Shii-Cho half way through though.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Revan fights with Juyo.

You can see it when you fight him in Swtor.

See:

0j6_LrzhURg

Revan fight. Look at the icon above Revans health bar. Now look here:

Juyo Form.

He switches to Shii-Cho half way through though.

Yeah, but that's hardly peak Revan imo. Peak Revan is Revan reborn.

Nah. I wouldn't say Revan reached his peak until he reclaimed his mask and got his memories back.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Nah. I wouldn't say Revan reached his peak until he reclaimed his mask and got his memories back.

That's exactly what I mean.
"I am Revan reborn. And before me you are nothing."

Oh I thought you were referring to end of KOTOR Revan. My bad.

Dooku with mid-high difficulty.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Meh. Summersaults and jumping atleast 15 meters seem pretty Ataru to me.

I mean even Dooku who despises Ataru has utilized acrobatics and spins in his fights.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
He is a generalist that relies mainly on Niman and it's incorporation of Force based attacks and lack of significant weakness--But he also is a skilled practitioner of the other forms, and switches between them when the situation calls for it.

For instance, we've seen canonical images of him facing off against Mandalorian shooters with a reverse grip--Which indicates Shien, a style that specializes in the aggressive redirection of blaster bolts. In the Revan novel we see him use highly acrobatic and fast paced maneuvers when faced with a member of the Imperial Guard--A singular meele type opponent, which indicates Ataru.

When he's preparing to go to battle with Bastila's strike team, Revan takes a Juyo stance to allot unpredictable and aggressive attacks to gain an advantage against experienced duelists.

He's a generalist who mainly uses Niman because of it's allowance to incorporate the Force into combat, as well as it's lack of overall weakness, but when the situation calls for it he switches between singular forms as well.

Of course, while this seems like a foolproof strategy, he still hasn't achieved mastery of any of the 7 forms except perhaps Niman, so his level of ability in each area is strongly limited.

That's how I see it, anyway.
His precognition will make out up for any non-mastery.

Much of the Jedi in the Mando-Wars used Ataru according to the KotORPG.

"Revan lashed out with his foot, delivering a side kick to the chest of the guard who had grabbed his shoulder, sending the man stumbling back...

One of the guards battling Meetra broke off and tried to cut Revan off. The Jedi gathered himself and leapt high in the air, tucking his knees in tight to somersault over his opponent. The guard reacted to the unexpected move a fraction too slowly, his electrostatic slicing through the air above his head and missing Revan by only a few centimeters.

Revan landed on the ground and wheeled around to face the other man. He trust one with the Force, the impact hitting the solider square in the chest. Instead of sending him flying, it only staggered him back half a step-this close to the Emperor they were sworn to protect, the guards were able to draw on his power to protect themselves.

Still, the slight stumble gave Revan enough time to draw his lightsaber and go on the offensive. He came in with a high, overhand chop-obvious feint meant to draw the defenses of his opponent downward, leaving his legs exposed to quick slash follow up.

The guard recognized the familiar ploy, countering it by parrying the overhand chop then quickly dropping his blade low to intercept the inevitable slash at his legs. Only Revan didn't go for his legs. Anticipating that his opponent's defenses would go low, he kept his blade up high, allowing him to end the battle with horizontal cut across the man's exposed throat."
That fight has hints of Ataru, I put the Ataru stuff in green, but the Niman stuff in blue. I never realized how noticeable the Niman is.

For the first red:
http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110903233342/starwars/images/thumb/4/48/SimpleSolution-TSS.jpg/250px-SimpleSolution-TSS.jpg

For the second red:
http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120216092949/starwars/images/thumb/9/99/NimanPushingSlash2.JPG/250px-NimanPushingSlash2.JPG

For the third red:
http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20131012035404/starwars/images/thumb/3/34/Niman.jpg/250px-Niman.jpg

You're vastly overrating precognition, Ant.

Dooku gets crushed though.

I am not overrating it:
"It is the way of the Echani to be able to read their opponents - to know where an opponent is going to strike before it connects, anticipate it, and then strike against them. Echani battles are fought several minutes in advance - in many ways, it is much like the game of dejarik played in the core systems. The most advanced among the Echani are able to predict the course of battles by months, and the most revered are said to be able to predict the path of wars. Only Revan ever demonstrated such a skill in war. And even as he slaughtered us, the Echani still respected him."

I always thought it was more of a tactical foresight thing, somewhat akin to what Sherlock Holmes does.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
I always thought it was more of a tactical foresight thing, somewhat akin to what Sherlock Holmes does.

That's actually a good comparison.

Anyway, I think that Revan and Malak can likely win this more times than not. Both are extremely powerful and have a good range of Force powers, some of which Dooku has never had to deal with in a fight. Both are competent duelists as well, at least to the point where Dooku won't be beating them both at the same time.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
I always thought it was more of a tactical foresight thing, somewhat akin to what Sherlock Holmes does.

Nice analogy.