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Battle takes place in the Coruscant Jedi Temple with pillars all around.

As I recall Tenebrous hasn't really shown much of anything other than Kenyan running.

He's a badass:
http://www.comicvine.com/profile/shootingnova/blog/darth-tenebrous-respect-thread/97317/

Tenebrous.

Yeah, I'm not seeing anything better than Malgus there. Malgus wins imo.

Malgus

Tenebrous is featless

Tenebrous needs a book, seriously, someone call up Drew.

Please no Drew.

Originally posted by Nephthys
As I recall Tenebrous hasn't really shown much of anything other than Kenyan running.

Kenyans are dangerous. That's why the Roman and Chinese empires crumbled to dust; really fast black people took them out.

Rome was conquered by the Germanic Tribes.

You wouldn't know if it was Kenyans, because they run away too fast to be seen. Kenyans are directly responsible for entropy, wind erosion, and the regularity of the tides.

Your history books know nothing.

Stealth Moose is correct, Ant.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Stealth Moose is correct, Ant.



Newguy is part Kenyan. That's why he's so hard to pin down in debates.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
You wouldn't know if it was Kenyans, because they run away too fast to be seen. Kenyans are directly responsible for entropy, wind erosion, and the regularity of the tides.

Your history books know nothing.
Damn...they might be able to speed-blitz Vitiate! Then again...that's not anything special.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Damn...they might be able to speed-blitz Vitiate! Then again...that's not anything special.

He lives in fear of them. Why do you think he hides his essence across the galaxy in avatars everywhere?

Kenyans set the first hyperspace lanes.

Tenebrous in a good fight.

Malgus stomps.

Tenebrous.

Actually Tenebrous found himself in the same situation as Malgus at one point, tons of debris fell on both due to actions of their opponents.

Difference is that Tenebrous couldn't make out from this situation while Malgus managed to even in his worst condition. Power gap is evident in this comparison alone.

Malgus is more powerful then Tenebrous and Sidious believed him to be an unparalleled warrior.

Verdict: Malgus comfortably

Tenebrous couldn't make it out because Plagueis was there.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Tenebrous couldn't make it out because Plagueis was there.
Plagueis collapsed a portion of ceiling on Tenebrous and this was more the enough to stop the latter.

Exactly. The two situations are incomparable.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Exactly. The two situations are incomparable.
How?

A Jedi Master collapsed two buildings around the position of Malgus in an effort to crush the Sith Lord beneath tons of rubble. By all means, majority would have perished in this situation but Malgus was too strong to prevent even tons of debris from crushing him beneath and blew it apart with his awesome power.

In contrast, Tenebrous couldn't replicate what Malgus did in similar situation. If it was Malgus in his place, he would have shown Plagueis what it means to be a DARTH.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
How?

A Jedi Master collapsed two buildings around the position of Malgus in an effort to crush the Sith Lord beneath tons of rubble. By all means, majority would have perished in this situation but Malgus was too strong to prevent even tons of debris from crushing him beneath and blew it apart with his awesome power.

In contrast, Tenebrous couldn't replicate what Malgus did in similar situation. If it was Malgus in his place, he would have shown Plagueis what it means to be a DARTH.
Tenebrous held up the rubble as well, just like Malgus did. The difference is that Plagueis was there to call it down on Teberous while Tenebrous was supporting it. If Plagueis hadn't been there, Tenebrous would have been successful.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Tenebrous held up the rubble as well, just like Malgus did. The difference is that Plagueis was there to call it down on Teberous while Tenebrous was supporting it. If Plagueis hadn't been there, Tenebrous would have been successful.
I rechecked the information in SWDP.

Actually, Plagueis didn't collapse that ceiling, it began to collapse due to an explosion within the cave and Tenebrous found himself beneath it. Initially Tenebrous attempted to prevent the ceiling from collapsing and Plagueis joined the effort but then Plagueis saw an opportunity here to kill his Master and shifted to assisting the collapse of ceiling instead.

Here:

While Tenebrous was preoccupied holding aloft the slabs that threatened to crush the ship, Plagueis quickly reoriented himself, aiming his raised hands at the plummeting slabs above his Master and, with a downward motion of both arms, brought them down so quickly and with so much momentum that Tenebrous was buried almost before he understood what had hit him.

Stone dust eddying around him, Plagueis stood rooted in place as slabs interred the starship, as well. But he gave it no thought. His success in bringing the ceiling down on Tenebrous was proof enough that the Bith had grown sluggish and expendable. Otherwise, he would have divined the true source of the danger he had sensed, and Plagueis would be the one pressed to the floor of the grotto, head cracked open like an egg and chest cavity pierced by the pointed end of a fallen stalactite.

Nonetheless, Malgus did much better then Tenebrous in similar situation since he found himself buried beneath a mountain of rubble with some part of it landing above him, held it aloft and then blew it apart, jumping out of the remainder of the mountain of rubble afterwards.

Something I will say about any collapse feat- There's always gravity on their side.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
I rechecked the information in SWDP.

Actually, Plagueis didn't collapse that ceiling, it began to collapse due to an explosion within the cave and Tenebrous found himself beneath it. Initially Tenebrous attempted to prevent the ceiling from collapsing and Plagueis joined the effort but then Plagueis saw an opportunity here to kill his Master and shifted to assisting the collapse of ceiling instead.

Here:

While Tenebrous was preoccupied holding aloft the slabs that threatened to crush the ship, Plagueis quickly reoriented himself, aiming his raised hands at the plummeting slabs above his Master and, with a downward motion of both arms, brought them down so quickly and with so much momentum that Tenebrous was buried almost before he understood what had hit him.

Stone dust eddying around him, Plagueis stood rooted in place as slabs interred the starship, as well. But he gave it no thought. His success in bringing the ceiling down on Tenebrous was proof enough that the Bith had grown sluggish and expendable. Otherwise, he would have divined the true source of the danger he had sensed, and Plagueis would be the one pressed to the floor of the grotto, head cracked open like an egg and chest cavity pierced by the pointed end of a fallen stalactite.

Nonetheless, Malgus did much better then Tenebrous in similar situation since he found himself buried beneath a mountain of rubble with some part of it landing above him, held it aloft and then blew it apart, jumping out of the remainder of the mountain of rubble afterwards.
The difference is that Plagueis brought it down on Tenebrous while Tenebrous was supporting it. No one tried to bring down the rubble on Malgus while he was holding it up.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
The difference is that Plagueis brought it down on Tenebrous while Tenebrous was supporting it. No one tried to bring down the rubble on Malgus while he was holding it up.
1. Malgus was not at his prime and healthy condition during this time.
2. Keeping in view (1.), Malgus not just held up tons of rubble but blew it apart afterwards.

Yes, nobody attempted to sabotage Malgus's actions because he was already buried beneath a mountain of rubble and it was virtually impossible to make it out alive in his situation. Nonetheless, Malgus pulled off seemingly impossible even in his worst condition.

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As far as situation of Tenebrous is concerned, their is no indication that he would have prevented ceiling from collapsing, let alone go as far as to cast it aside like Malgus. In addition, a collapsing ceiling presented ample fault-lines to Plagueis to exploit and he did so successfully.

Plagueis didn't directly dampen Tenebrous's effort to prevent ceiling from caving in but rather facilitated the already collapsing ceiling to complete its fall in quick fashion (from possibly additional angles) which Tenebrous wasn't able to prevent due to already being stressed by his existing effort.

If you replace Tenebrous with Malgus, Malgus would have died as well, on account of Plagueis collapsing the ceiling on him.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
If you replace Tenebrous with Malgus, Malgus would have died as well, on account of Plagueis collapsing the ceiling on him.
As if Malgus cannot cast aside some slabs of ceiling? You are ignoring important aspects of both cases.

Malgus would have held up the portion of rubble above him even if rest of the ceiling had caved in and then cast it aside.

No, because Plagueis would have collapsed it on Malgus just as he collapsed it on Tenebrous.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
No, because Plagueis would have collapsed it on Malgus just as he collapsed it on Tenebrous.
Plagueis cannot do this; what Plagueis can do is to facilitate collapse of an unstable ceiling with his power but he cannot overcome Malgus's might in the process. He didn't overcome Teneberous's might in the process, he just facilitated the collapse of ceiling from different angle and this overwhelmed Tenebrous.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Plagueis cannot do this. What he can do is to facilitate collapse of ceiling with his power but he cannot overcome Malgus's might at the same time. He didn't overcome Teneberous's might, he just facilitated the collapse of ceiling from different angle.
I'm not sure any of this matters. Malgus won't succeed in defending himself where Tenebrous failed.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
I'm not sure any of this matters. Malgus won't succeed in defending himself where Tenebrous failed.
Based on what?

Malgus demonstrated the capability to prevent tons of rubble from crushing him beneath and even went as far as to cast it aside afterwards to free himself, this in his worst condition. At his prime, Malgus can do better, much better.

You are being miscalculating here.

Tenebrous held up considerable more stone.

Why will Malgus be able to prevent Plagueis from bringing down the ceiling on him when Tenebrous wasn't?

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Tenebrous held up considerable more stone.
Based on what? How many tons?

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Why will Malgus be able to prevent Plagueis from bringing down the ceiling on him when Tenebrous wasn't?
Plagueis can bring down the ceiling but Malgus would hold the segment of it around his position and then cast it aside (if in shoes of Tenebrous).

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Based on what? How many tons?
It were large enough to utterly crush Tenebrous' ship, which would have been big enough to carry himself, Plagueis and a droid.

There's nothing about tons, but the caves were described as huge as cathedrals. When Plagueis stacked the rubble, the stack was over 10 meters tall.


Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Plagueis can bring down the ceiling but Malgus would hold the segment of it around his position and then cast it aside (if in shoes of Tenebrous).
Plagueis is more powerful than Malgus. If Malgus even manages to temporarily hold it aloft, Plagueis hold of the stone will overpower Malgus' hold of it.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
It were large enough to utterly crush Tenebrous' ship, which would have been big enough to carry himself, Plagueis and a droid.
Malgus handled rubble of this magnitude.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
There's nothing about tons, but the caves were described as huge as cathedrals. When Plagueis stacked the rubble, the stack was over 10 meters tall.
We are not talking about entire cave, a small portion of it.

Also, how you made that 10 meters assessment?

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Plagueis is more powerful than Malgus. If Malgus even manages to temporarily hold it aloft, Plagueis hold of the stone will overpower Malgus' hold of it.
Plagueis's power is not the focal point of this discussion. Plagueis didn't overcome Tenebrous's might while facilitating the collapse of the unstable ceiling, he concentrated on the fault-lines of the collapsing ceiling and managed to facilitate its collapse around Tenebrous who failed to cope with this development due to its sheer ferocity. Tenebrous wasn't strong enough to hold off the entire ceiling.

Malgus demonstrated greater power in comparison to Tenebrous. While he didn't prevent the collapse of buildings around his position, he did prevent the rubble from crushing him beneath and blew it apart.

Let us substitute collapse of buildings with Plagueis's effort to collapse the unstable ceiling and act of prevention of debris from crushing Tenebrous with the same from Malgus, and difference becomes apparent. Malgus prevented tonnage of debris from crushing him beneath while Tenebrous could not.

When Plagueis attempted to leap over the rubble, he failed to do so. Plagueis is capable of leaping 10 meters.

Lol, seriously? Aryn Leneer could jump 50 meters.

So?

Plagueis don't jump good.

He should ask Samurai Jack for some tips.

Bane's jump is also only about 10 meters.

I would just like to address a few point here. Malgus is NOT more powerful them Malgus and if you think so somethings majorly screwed up with you. Secondly the quote you gave where it says Tenebrous had grown weak and sluggish isn't that comparable to how Malgus was injured at that moment? Along with that he was not only holding up the ceiling to keep it from crushing him but also holding up the slabs that were about to crush the ship. Also blasting your way out from that much rubble isn't as impressive as holding it up. Finally faced in the same position Malgus would succumb as he would be holding up the slabs to prevent the ship from being crushed holding up the slabs to keep himself beign crushed and have to face off Plagueis's TK assault to.

All that's just assumption though as I don't believe Malgus would even be able to accomplish the feat of holding up so much stone. If he COULD however then the outcome would be the same. Along with that Tenebrous has faced far faster opponents then Malgus and I believe would also take it in the strength and endurance and skill department. Problem is so little was written about him that feats like surprising Plagueis with his speed have to be transferred based on Plagueis's own feats. It can be assumed since Plagueis was not willing to face his master in a duel that Tenebrous outmatched Plagueis in speed strength endurance and even the force given the situation. Due to all these factors I say Tenebrous 10/10.

Woah...Darth Malgus did destroy a wave of fighters with his Force Scream

As in ships?

I think he meant soldiers.

Wouldn't he have said 'kill' in that case?

Stark?

Neither as they are non canon.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Wouldn't he have said 'kill' in that case?

Stark?

Ships as in space ships. It's mentioned in the Book of Sith.

Which is now non canon.

Originally posted by ares834
Ships as in space ships. It's mentioned in the Book of Sith.

Wow, thats damn impressive.

He overloaded the fuel slugs which caused the ships to explode.

Cool, thanks.