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Which verse is more large?
And I heard that Marvel Omniverse emcompaasses all fictional world.
Is this wrong or retconned?

Yes, it was defined in the OHOTMU v4 #16, as encompassing all fictional realities, including the real world. This definition was stated to be created by Mark Gruenwald, who also wrote Quasar #24. And in that comic, he defined the omniverse as encompassing multiple multiverses, so presumably the definition he came up with in the official handbook was meant to define the omniverse from a broader point of view (as in, not limited to the Marvel reality), while when the term "omniverse" is used in a Marvel comic it's only limited to the Marvel reality.

But anyway, basically, "omniverse" is the highest 'verse there is, it's just that its definition varies depending on the writer. For example, some writers see the whole of Marvel reality as being merely a multiverse (they are unaware or do not acknowledge other multiverses, or terms such as "megaverse" that's why they use the term "omniverse" interchangeably with the multiverse. Other writers, who do acknowledge other multiverses, use the term "omniverse" as being composed of multiple multiverses ( New Exiles #1 letter's page, and Captain Marvel v3 #4, for instance, say that there are infinite multiverses).

Originally posted by CatL18
Which verse is more large?

Just a little more emphasis:

No matter what omniverse's definition is, in writer's eyes it's the highest level of reality possible, hence why it begins with "omni" (all). It's just that when a term like omniverse or megaverse is used individually (Without mentioning the other term) it's often that the writer disregards or does not acknowledge the other term.

That's why if you want to go by some selective individual definitions, and then compare them, you could end up having the "megaverse" as being the same or bigger than the "omniverse". For example, there are several definitions saying that the megaverse is composed of realities associated with "Marvel" (from the 2005 handbooks)

http://i.imgur.com/4GMWE1e.jpg?1
http://i.imgur.com/cldF2nP.jpg?1

So basically, what's it saying, is that the Megaverse is composed of all Marvel realities. Which is the same thing as the omniverse when it's used inside a Marvel comic.
But if you want to go by another definition for the megaverse, like a 2011 handbook which implies that it encompasses other fictional realities, by defining "Megaversal" crossovers as being crossovers between unrelated multiverses like Marvel/DC's Superman vs the Amazing Spider-Man:

http://i.imgur.com/lsiDLq7.jpg?1

So if we take this individual definition for the megaverse and compare it to a selective definition of the omniverse used inside a Marvel comic (which says that the omniverse = all of Marvel), it'll suggest that Megaverse > Omniverse = Marvel.

But what you have to know is, when the terms "omniverse" and "megaverse" are classified in the same sentence (as opposed to nitpicking selective definitions for each of the terms, and then comparing them), it's always omniverse > Megaverse, no matter what. Like here, in the 2005/2006 handbooks

http://i.imgur.com/RhlwtgO.jpg?1
http://i.imgur.com/5njhq1p.jpg?1

Basically, you can have a handbook disregard the term "omniverse" and define 'megaverse' as being composed of all marvel universes. But when the handbook takes all the terms into account (omniverse, megaverse, multiverse), it's always omniverse > Megaverse > Multiverse.

You probably won't understand many things that i said since it's a bit complicated (and it's even much more complicated than this if i am to go into each and every detail) but that's what i have to offer.

Originally posted by operator616
You probably won't understand many things that i said since it's a bit complicated

Lol

Originally posted by Digi
Lol "Let me explain in full everything there is to know about both. Oh yeah, you're too stupid to understand this"

Was there a time when a comic company used the term, Omniverse, to refer not only to all the comic/fictional universes, but the real one as well (ie, ours)? I seem to remember something along these lines.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
"Let me explain in full everything there is to know about both. Oh yeah, you're too stupid to understand this"

Wasn't my intention to call him stupid if that's what you're implying.

Also, i specifically said that i didn't go into full details.

Originally posted by Mindship
Was there a time when a comic company used the term, Omniverse, to refer not only to all the comic/fictional universes, but the real one as well (ie, ours)? I seem to remember something along these lines.

Yes, that's what the OHOTMU v4 #16 referred to:

http://i.imgur.com/NRTZ3N1.jpg?1

"this includes the real world"

In fact, Marvel officially designated the real world as Earth-1218 (New Exiles #1 letter's page):

http://i.imgur.com/yARZYy7.jpg?1
http://i.imgur.com/hzXtbIR.jpg?1

And even has it as a parallel earth inside the multiverse, in the 2009 encyclopedia:

http://i.imgur.com/3utqHBi.jpg?1

While describing the multiverse, notice that the last sentence said that we live on Earth-1218.

Marquis of Death, for instance, comes from that very Earth. "our" Earth.....uh, according to Marvel, at least.

As for DC. The concept has also been there. An example would be "Earth-Prime", it's meant to be the "real world"

JLA #124 (Pre-Crisis, 1975), directly saying that Earth-Prime is the world you (referring to the readers) live in, and it's separated by a dimensional barrier just like any other Earth:

http://i.imgur.com/ZXBBY6I.jpg?1

In fact, this Earth was introduced in the silver Age, in a Flash comic (shortly after a time period where infinite possible universes where established in a couple of issues of Superboy v1 in the 1960s), in Flash #179, which had a similar concept to the events of Flash #123, which clarified some things regarding the Golden Age comics, and the Silver Age comics. It established that the justice society (of the GA) lived on Earth-Two, and they existed as a comic book on Earth-One, however, what made Earth-Prime as a real world (well, apart from hinting that the readers live there), is also that it depicted the writer Carey Bates in it (among others)

http://i.imgur.com/thfoJ2Q.jpg

Marvel has also portrayed things like that.

Originally posted by operator616
Wasn't my intention to call him stupid if that's what you're implying.

I doubt thats what he was implying

Originally posted by operator616
You probably won't understand many things that i said since it's a bit complicated (and it's even much more complicated than this if i am to go into each and every detail) but that's what i have to offer.
Thank you.
I am going to buy Official Handbook 2011, and check it.

Originally posted by operator616
Yes, that's what the OHOTMU v4 #16 referred to...

...Marvel has also portrayed things like that. Merci. Frankly, I always liked the concept.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
"Let me explain in full everything there is to know about both. Oh yeah, you're too stupid to understand this"

lol

in a less complicated, more easily understood answer--omniverse is bigger.

Originally posted by operator616
Wasn't my intention to call him stupid if that's what you're implying.

Also, i specifically said that i didn't go into full details.
Bran's having fun at your expense.

I think what operator is trying to say is that the omniverse is larger than a megaverse.

That is all.

Originally posted by operator616
But what you have to know is, when the terms "omniverse" and "megaverse" are classified in the same sentence (as opposed to nitpicking selective definitions for each of the terms, and then comparing them), it's always omniverse > Megaverse, no matter what. Like here, in the 2005/2006 handbooks

http://i.imgur.com/RhlwtgO.jpg?1
http://i.imgur.com/5njhq1p.jpg?1

Basically, you can have a handbook disregard the term "omniverse" and define 'megaverse' as being composed of all marvel universes. But when the handbook takes all the terms into account (omniverse, megaverse, multiverse), it's always omniverse > Megaverse > Multiverse.

You probably won't understand many things that i said since it's a bit complicated (and it's even much more complicated than this if i am to go into each and every detail) but that's what i have to offer.
http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Confused-Gary-Payton.gif

Lol, Yeah, i did sound a bit (or more like, way) off in the end. Perhaps i should have said some instead of "many" (things); that way id reckon my post would've been less lulz-worthy.

Originally posted by CatL18
Thank you.
I am going to buy Official Handbook 2011, and check it.

Why'd you want to buy it? Because all the relevant info regarding this topic that the 2011 Blockbuster handbook contains, is implying that the megaverse encompasses all fictional realities, which i already posted.

So you don't have to bother buying it just for the sake of looking at something i already posted.

Just trying to help you out here.

Originally posted by Mindship
Merci. Frankly, I always liked the concept.

Sure, glad to help.

Originally posted by Galan007
I think what operator is trying to say is that the omniverse is larger than a megaverse.

That is all.

..well basically, yeah. That would be the easy answer.

Originally posted by operator616
Lol, Yeah, i did sound a bit (or more like, way) off in the end. Perhaps i should have said some instead of "many" (things); that way id reckon my post would've been less lulz-worthy.



Why'd you want to buy it? Because all the relevant info regarding this topic that the 2011 Blockbuster handbook contains, is implying that the megaverse encompasses all fictional realities, which i already posted.

So you don't have to bother buying it just for the sake of looking at something i already posted.

Just trying to help you out here.
Shih.. Let him buy to his heart's content. It's good for the economy. For all we know he's part of the 1%. Lord knows they have enough money.