Marvel exec criticizes Man of Steel

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quanchi112
http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Marvel-Exec-Slams-Man-Steel-42786.html

Darth Martin
Pretty much he just strengthen the case that Zod was a very strong villain. Man of Steel was dope as hell. Moving on.....

0mega Spawn
It didn't suck but i was rooting for Zod the entire time.
He simply wanted to help his people.

Patient_Leech
The world is different now. Less idealistic, more cynical. I think it demands a darker Superman. I'm not necessarily saying that's a good thing, it's just not surprising.

Firefly218
MoS was awful

Time Immemorial

quanchi112
Originally posted by Darth Martin
Pretty much he just strengthen the case that Zod was a very strong villain. Man of Steel was dope as hell. Moving on..... It was awful and that is why it didn't do as well as they planned on.

0mega Spawn
Originally posted by Patient_Leech
The world is different now. Less idealistic, more cynical. I think it demands a darker Superman. I'm not necessarily saying that's a good thing, it's just not surprising.
Agreed

It also applies to superheroes in general when realistically showing how deadly and powerful a superhero is the film will usually take a dark tone.

NemeBro

wakkawakkawakka
Geoff Johns has nothing to do with this Nemebro.

But I will agree on that being a pretty bad review of the movie.

ares834
Originally posted by NemeBro
Why is it that the loudest critics of Man of Steel are also by far the dumbest?

Seriously, half the time I wonder if they even saw the movie.

BruceSkywalker
Quesada's job has been a success..



he has gotten people to talk about what he said and he is now laughing..

Kazenji
How ****en predictable from quan.

Time Immemorial

DARTH POWER
Originally posted by quanchi112
It was awful and that is why it didn't do as well as they planned on.


Lol it killed IM3 and THOR2 (both the Marvel movies out that same year) in DVD/BLU-RAY Sales. The sequel's gonna kill it. Because people only buy films they like laughing out loud

Lestov16
While Man Of Steel was definitely not of the quality everybody expected, and yes it's script was a horrible piece of rhino feces, but I still got some entertainment from it, and I don't think it was a waste of money for the ticket. It was no Batman and Robin or Catwoman, as far as bad comic movies go.

Also, quan, your obsessive butthurt over DC is laughable. Especially since you are without a doubt the worst choice anybody could possibly have as an objective critical authority of Marvel and DC. Go back to playing your Khan action figure, because you sure as hell aren't smart enough to be partaking in discussions like these.

Robtard
Originally posted by NemeBro
Why is it that the loudest critics of Man of Steel are also by far the dumbest?


thumb up

marwash22
Originally posted by NemeBro
"As a comic book fan, I wanted to love that movie so much. I wanted to love it so much, and I didn’t love it so much. Again, there are little things here and there that you could pick at and things like that, but I just think at the end of the day, Zod was the hero of the movie to me… He wanted to save his race, and Superman didn’t let him.

Zod, in this particular incarnation, struck me as not necessarily an evil man, but a man of… he had a particular… he had his orders, he had a mission. He was a zealot of sorts, but he was a zealot… again, correct me if I’m wrong… but he didn’t say, ‘I want to rebuild Krypton, and then come back and destroy this little planet. All I want is to rebuild this planet. And the only reason I’m blowing everything to bits here is because you’ve got what I want, and you’re not giving it to me. So please, give me my people, and I’ll leave.’… When Superman said Krypton had its chance, I was like, ‘Will you just f***ing kill him, Zod?’"

facepalm

Robtard
Nemebro's correct, the loundest "MoS sucked!!" ranters didn't even pay attention when watching it.

dadudemon
I like this thread. Quite a bit of good thoughts.

I felt that MoS was a tad boring and flat. It also felt a bit...lacking in emotion?

It wasn't a bad film, at all. It just felt like it could have been better with just a few minor adjustments here and there.

Bardock42
Was a bad film.

Arachnid1
Joe Quesada? lol do people still take that guy seriously?

Robtard
The thread starter takes anything negative said about MoS as serious, even if it's a retarded rant born of ignorance, as shown.

Impediment
"I love my own Kryptonian race so much that I'm going to commit global genocide of an innocent planet just so I can reestablish our world" is not the trademark of a hero; it's the trademark of a mad man. Zod was "bred" to be a soldier, yes, but not all of his gears were moving if he was so blinded by his goals as to do what he tried to do.

jaden101
I was disappointed with Man of Steel as well. Too many one dimensional characters all with the same bleak outlook on life. Some utterly retarded motivations for his actions from Zod.

Action was good though.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Bardock42
Was a bad film. It was awful.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Lestov16
While Man Of Steel was definitely not of the quality everybody expected, and yes it's script was a horrible piece of rhino feces, but I still got some entertainment from it, and I don't think it was a waste of money for the ticket. It was no Batman and Robin or Catwoman, as far as bad comic movies go.

Also, quan, your obsessive butthurt over DC is laughable. Especially since you are without a doubt the worst choice anybody could possibly have as an objective critical authority of Marvel and DC. Go back to playing your Khan action figure, because you sure as hell aren't smart enough to be partaking in discussions like these. Here we go again with the child playing judge of someone's behavior again. No one cares what you think.

Movie stunk and the Quesada agrees.

BruceSkywalker
IMO i wasn't disappointed at all.. I constantly told people that the film would be Superman Begins ala Batman Begins and I was right,,, The film had the action that I wanted as well as a good script...

as for believing what Quesada said , he just said it to rile up silly and ignorant fanboys who didn't like the film.. he also said to get people ready for the battle of may 2016

Mindship
lol re: the vid, and the little Superman toon that followed.

I loved the movie, but I definitely understand why so many didn't.

Robtard
Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
as for believing what Quesada said , he just said it to rile up silly and ignorant fanboys who didn't like the film.. he also said to get people ready for the battle of may 2016

If he was just trolling, he could have done a better job than just coming off as an ignoramous who didn't pay attention to the story.

TH3_V01D
If anything, a Marvel exec putting Zod as center of debate show how great that villian was.
I bet Quesada cant say a single thing about marvel studios villians , all of them are forgettable/awful so far

Firefly218
Originally posted by TH3_V01D
If anything, a Marvel exec putting Zod as center of debate show how great that villian was.
I bet Quesada cant say a single thing about marvel studios villians , all of them are forgettable/awful so far

Loki, Winter Soldier, Obadiah, whiplash and Red Skull were all memorable for me.

I actually think DC puts extra emphasis on it's villains. Which would explain why the DC villains always outshine the actual heroes.
Joker, Bane, Liam Neeson > Batman
Zod > Superman

On the other hand, Marvel focuses on the heroes much more than the villains.

TH3_V01D
Even a RDJ fresh turd would be memorable to you

Patient_Leech
Damn, I didn't realize how divisive MoS was. I need to watch it again. Personally I thought it was good, despite the ridiculous amount of shameless advertising. I never have been a Superman fan, but that may be why I liked it, BECAUSE it wasn't very Supermany.

marwash22
Originally posted by Patient_Leech
Damn, I didn't realize how divisive MoS was. I need to watch it again. Personally I thought it was good, despite the ridiculous amount of shameless advertising. I never have been a Superman fan, but that may be why I liked it, BECAUSE it wasn't very Supermany. i thought it was "Supermany", it just wasn't "Christopher Reevey"

Firefly218
Originally posted by TH3_V01D
Even a RDJ fresh turd would be memorable to you

Maybe, but your mom wasn't.

Lord Lucien
I never gave a shit about comics or Superman and this movie didn't do anything to change that. It was pretty with some cool DBZ action sequences.


But it was f*cking awful.

Based
Originally posted by NemeBro

Why is it that the loudest critics of Man of Steel are also by far the dumbest?

Comic writers and editors are stupid.

BruceSkywalker
Originally posted by Robtard
If he was just trolling, he could have done a better job than just coming off as an ignoramous who didn't pay attention to the story.

yep

BlackZero30x
I think that MoS was a good enough movie but I will admit to feeling like Zod wasn't that much of a bad guy. He was "programmed" with a task and he was trying carry it out. Not to mention someone wanting to save their entire race at all costs isn't really evil. Honestly I feel if the Human race was in the same place everyone would agree to wipe out a bunch of aliens to rebuild their own species. Maybe I just don't think much of Human morality. lol As for the rest of his review I disagree.

NemeBro
Why was he doing it at Earth?

There is no reason why he couldn't terraform Venus instead, other than "**** humans".

Esau Cairn
Originally posted by BlackZero30x
Not to mention someone wanting to save their entire race at all costs isn't really evil.

Heil Hitler?

ares834
Originally posted by NemeBro
Why was he doing it at Earth?

There is no reason why he couldn't terraform Venus instead, other than "**** humans".

Well, Zod is a very stable reasonable guy...

In all honesty, I think he was just doing it to spite Kal.

wakkawakkawakka
Originally posted by NemeBro
Why was he doing it at Earth?

There is no reason why he couldn't terraform Venus instead, other than "**** humans".

Furthermore why was Zod terraforming in the first place? The alternative lets his people along with himself access to superpowers.

Well he kind of said that when he first showed up.

Esau Cairn
Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
The alternative lets his people along with himself access to superpowers.




Yeah I loved well...cringed at the scene where Supes casually explains to Zod how to control his new found super senses! roll eyes (sarcastic)

Nephthys
Originally posted by NemeBro
Why was he doing it at Earth?

There is no reason why he couldn't terraform Venus instead, other than "**** humans".

It would have been a good explanation that they could only terraform an already habitable planet with a atmosphere and water and junk.

But yeah, it was mostly to piss on Kal.

Firefly218
I really hated how Superman just let's his father die like that. People were distracted by the God damn tornadoes, supes could have easily saved his dad.

Also there was an element of Superman's dad dying of a heart attack that I liked. No matter how powerful Superman is, he can't stop nature from killing his dad.

That's just one among of the many gripes I had with the movie.

Mindship
Originally posted by BlackZero30x
Honestly I feel if the Human race was in the same place everyone would agree to wipe out a bunch of aliens to rebuild their own species. Sounds like Avatar.

Bardock42
Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
I constantly told people that the film would be Superman Begins ala Batman Begins

I was hoping it would be like Batman Begins, but instead it was insanely stupid. So I was quite sad.

Originally posted by Firefly218

Joker, Bane, Liam Neeson > Batman



lol

Lestov16
The most glaring plot hole of MOS IMO was the fact that Jor El gave Kal the codex (which resulted in Zod coming to Earth) to prevent Zod from committing a mini-genocide against some of the Kryptonians, only for Kal to later say "Phuck Krypton" and end up wiping out the entire species. If Jor El just gave Zod the codex at the beginning, Zod could have went to the Andromeda galaxy, and regrew Krypton there. True some of the bloodlines would have died, but that's better than the extinction of the entire race.

Like I said, a script made of pure rhino feces. The action was great though.

BlackZero30x
Originally posted by Esau Cairn
Heil Hitler? lol maybe I should have said Species. I mean Hitler kinda went the other way with what I was talking about when he started killing other humans...


Originally posted by Mindship
Sounds like Avatar.

lol true dat. Honestly though that story would have turned out vastly different had wheelie didn't see life through the aliens eyes.

quanchi112
Originally posted by TH3_V01D
Even a RDJ fresh turd would be memorable to you Do not hate on marvel for being at the top of the mountain, dc apologist.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Robtard
Nemebro's correct, the loundest "MoS sucked!!" ranters didn't even pay attention when watching it. The movie was bad. Quit making up excuses for it.

NemeBro
Why was it bad quan? Give me your reason.

Robtard
Originally posted by quanchi112
The movie was bad. Quit making up excuses for it.

You're welcome to not like it, just have solid reasons other than "I didn't get it".

Robtard
Originally posted by NemeBro
Why was it bad quan? Give me your reason.

Reason: Cos I teased the unholy shit out of him becoming a Superman banwagonboi/Zod dick-rider before the film came out, so he started to vehemently hate it before he even saw a proper trailer.

focus4chumps
Originally posted by Robtard
Nemebro's correct, the loundest "MoS sucked!!" ranters didn't even pay attention when watching it.

i paid attention. it was a pile of steaming excrement. even worse than avengers, if that was possible.

Robtard
Green Lantern and Ghost Rider are 'piles of steaming excrement', neither MOS and especially Avengers compare to those levels of doodoo. But at least you got the MoS plot.

focus4chumps
Originally posted by Robtard
Green Lantern and Ghost Rider are 'piles of steaming excrement', neither MOS and especially Avengers compare to those levels of doodoo. But at least you got the MoS plot.

thats kind of a 'no true scotsman' fallacy

MOS was like avengers. while well polished cinematically and via special effects, they were written as generic noncompelling nonsensical piles of steaming excrement.

Robtard
It's kind of my opinion of the films, man.

focus4chumps
Originally posted by Robtard
It's kind of my opinion of the films, man.

no. it's a matter of fact that MOS and avengers were excrement. i have the wiki links to prove this.

Firefly218
Originally posted by focus4chumps
thats kind of a 'no true scotsman' fallacy

MOS was like avengers. while well polished cinematically and via special effects, they were written as generic noncompelling nonsensical piles of steaming excrement.

Avengers direction was sort of crap and the story was simple. The dialogue, character interaction and fights were gold. Whedon will do much better the second time around.

MoS direction, story, dialogue and character interaction were all crap. The fights were fine, nothing special.

focus4chumps
the fights were the most annoying part of MOS. that was where i was conceptually introduced to this new dark, hip, and edgey superman who doesnt give a **** if people die. drags zod from a rural cornfield to a city just to punch him through a crowded gas station. yeah that made sense.

Zack Fair
Who takes the opinion of a marvel executive seriously?

quanchi112
Originally posted by Zack Fair
Who takes the opinion of a marvel executive seriously? Marvel is leaps and bounds ahead of dc. Who takes the fools at dc seriously ? Not the box office.

Zack Fair
I don't care who is ahead, nor box office. I just don't take the opinion of rivals/opposition seriously. No matter the media, sport, etc. but thats just me. I mean I don't blatantly ignore opinions from them, but you know there will always be bias involved.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Zack Fair
I don't care who is ahead. I just don't take the opinion of rivals/opposition seriously. No matter the media, sport, etc. Just remember that marvel is the alpha while dc is clearly the beta.

Zack Fair
Lol. Quan. You've gotten stale.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Zack Fair
Lol. Quan. You've gotten stale. It is true and marvel employees are taking pot shots at the clear inferior company known as dc.

Zack Fair
yawn.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Zack Fair
yawn. You don't even stick up for superman or dc anymore. I've won.

wakkawakkawakka
Won what exactly? Sure the script for MoS was pretty darn bad and plotholes are present however the action sequences blew anything the Marvel films have done with the obvious exception of WS.

Firefly218
Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Won what exactly? Sure the script for MoS was pretty darn bad and plotholes are present however the action sequences blew anything the Marvel films have done with the obvious exception of WS.

The last 20 minutes of Avengers blow MoS away. Just seeing all the characters coming together as a team, finally becoming the Avengers.

MoS fight was just destruction porn. Avengers action actually had structure and purpose. Also Superman bringing his fight to a densely populated city was ****in stupid

ares834
MoS action blew Avengers away. It's on an entirely different level.

TH3_V01D
If anyhting the teamup makes the avengers look even more weak, generic aliens about to kick thier asses. Seriously it excites you looking the avengers against enemies that are so pathetic and forgettable that even ****ing arrows can kill?
There is not sense of danger you cant take such enemies in serious manner.

And no, MoS is not destruction porn, it exactly what would happen if two superman level character go into a fight. It presented a formidable threat, unlike avengers.
I cant even picture how powerful a movie Darkseid would be.

jinXed by JaNx
Originally posted by Patient_Leech
The world is different now. Less idealistic, more cynical. I think it demands a darker Superman. I'm not necessarily saying that's a good thing, it's just not surprising.



It's NOT darker though. I don't know what all of these whiny bitches are complaining about. He's not wickless, he's just being human..,NOT kryptonian. That was the theme of the entire movie. prove to me otherwise.

DARTH POWER
Originally posted by quanchi112
Just remember that marvel is the alpha while dc is clearly the beta.

Nah they still have the most 2 biggest superheroes in the world- Batman and Superman. Marvel can make big movies out of as many B-Listers as they want, will never change the fact that the Big 2 are Bats and Supes.

Esau Cairn
Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
, he's just being human..,NOT kryptonian. That was the theme of the entire movie. prove to me otherwise.

I'm not disagreeing that Supes tried to be more human than alien.
However, what type of human traits he acquired & adhered to could be questionable...

Agreeing to do nothing & watch his father die then to be part of the wanton destruction of Metropolis regardless of human lives clearly shows he had apathy towards his own "human" kind.

NemeBro
Originally posted by Firefly218
The last 20 minutes of Avengers blow MoS away. Just seeing all the characters coming together as a team, finally becoming the Avengers.

MoS fight was just destruction porn. Avengers action actually had structure and purpose. Also Superman bringing his fight to a densely populated city was ****in stupid No it didn't. thumb up

MoS action had better choreography, better CGI, it was faster-paced (While still being far more intricate mind you), it was better. And not by a small amount.

NemeBro
Originally posted by TH3_V01D
If anyhting the teamup makes the avengers look even more weak, generic aliens about to kick thier asses. Seriously it excites you looking the avengers against enemies that are so pathetic and forgettable that even ****ing arrows can kill?
There is not sense of danger you cant take such enemies in serious manner.

And no, MoS is not destruction porn, it exactly what would happen if two superman level character go into a fight. It presented a formidable threat, unlike avengers.
I cant even picture how powerful a movie Darkseid would be. And now we see the other side of the "stupid mother****er" argument.

"Oh the Avengers fights sucked because they looked weaker than Superman", you're a loser. thumb up

Nephthys
Originally posted by Firefly218
MoS fight was just destruction porn. Avengers action actually had structure and purpose. Also Superman bringing his fight to a densely populated city was ****in stupid

Kal didn't bring it anywhere. The fight started in the city and simply stayed there. Superman fights in densely populated cities and causes lots of destruction all the time in the cartoons and comics.

DARTH POWER
Originally posted by NemeBro
No it didn't. thumb up

MoS action had better choreography, better CGI, it was faster-paced (While still being far more intricate mind you), it was better. And not by a small amount.


Originally posted by NemeBro
And now we see the other side of the "stupid mother****er" argument.

"Oh the Avengers fights sucked because they looked weaker than Superman", you're a loser. thumb up


thumb up for putting the fanboys on both sides in their place.

Firefly218
The MoS fight, quality wise, was better than the Avengers fight.

I'm just saying the Avengers fight was much more fun while the MoS fight felt exhausting and pointless.

Lestov16
I find it odd when people complain about the collateral damage in this film when I distinctly remember in JLU, after Supes gave his World of Cardboard speech, him slamming Darkseid through numerous buildings.

DARTH POWER
Originally posted by Lestov16
I find it odd when people complain about the collateral damage in this film when I distinctly remember in JLU, after Supes gave his World of Cardboard speech, him slamming Darkseid through numerous buildings.

And what about the Superman vs Shazam fight? Man they really tore through buildings.

And LOL as if no one died in the Avengers finale.

MOS defo had the better end fight Imho, but the best fight in both movies was Thor vs Hulk.

Lestov16
The Thor/Hulk fight, which only lasted 3 minutes at best, was nowhere near as epic as...any of the fights in MOS. MOS's script may have been shit, but it definitely had the best superhero action probably of any hitherto comic book film.

wakkawakkawakka
Originally posted by Firefly218
The last 20 minutes of Avengers blow MoS away. Just seeing all the characters coming together as a team, finally becoming the Avengers.

MoS fight was just destruction porn. Avengers action actually had structure and purpose. Also Superman bringing his fight to a densely populated city was ****in stupid

Apologies for the late reply but...no, not really.

In terms of action, MoS was better paced and did better to portray super-powered beings going at it. We actually got to see super-speed used effectively in combat along with a end fight showing off just how powerful Supes could be.

Meanwhile Hulk was depowered and Thor got demoted while Captain America...really didn't do anything in the Avengers: or not nearly as much as he should considering his position.

So Winter Solider being the exception is still valid.

Firefly218
Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Apologies for the late reply but...no, not really.

In terms of action, MoS was better paced and did better to portray super-powered beings going at it. We actually got to see super-speed used effectively in combat along with a end fight showing off just how powerful Supes could be.

Meanwhile Hulk was depowered and Thor got demoted while Captain America...really didn't do anything in the Avengers: or not nearly as much as he should considering his position.

So Winter Solider being the exception is still valid.

I'll admit the fight choreography and special effects were better in MoS battle. But I still maintain that the Avengers battle felt more epic and was much more enjoyable IMO at least. MoS bored me shitless

Lestov16
Yeah, Avengers was definitely the better and more entertaining overall film. I don't think I was bored once in the Avengers, and any plot holes were disbelief-suspendable. MOS I either found either boring or was facepalming every 5 seconds at the massive plot holes. And I agree that while the MOS battle definitely was more epic and took place on a grander scale, the battle in the Avengers was definitely more fun to watch.

Kotor3
Special effects in MOS is definitely top tier. However, due to the redundant moves that were used throughout the fights scenes, the fights scenes lost a lot of its luster and epic feeling. The fights started to become boring.

Lestov16
The reason why the Avengers fight was probably better is because they were actually taking time out of the fight to save lives. Besides that one fighter pilot, I don't recall Supes trying to save anyone during the climax, and that bullshit with the Daily Planet writer under the rubble does not count. Due to this, it's just Supes punching/getting punched for 10 straight minutes, and it starts to get repetitive.

wakkawakkawakka
Okay I can agree that the action did get repetitive as time went on but I was still pretty stoked about Superman finally getting to punch stuff on the big screen.

But Superman did save the world...just at the expense of Metropolis big grin

Lestov16
Like I said, MOS was definitely more epic, and if the context behind the action wasn't a bunch of bullshit plot holes and boring predictable crap, it probably would have ranked as #1 comic film ever. As it stands, I might youtube some of the MOS fight scenes from time to time, but no way in hell do I want to watch the whole movie again like I did with Avengers.

I think it was a massive mistake of the writers to make Supes take down the World Engine in the ocean rather than the one in Metropolis. Especially considering that bullshit with the Daily Planet chick.

Bardock42
Originally posted by NemeBro
No it didn't. thumb up

MoS action had better choreography, better CGI, it was faster-paced (While still being far more intricate mind you), it was better. And not by a small amount. Originally posted by NemeBro
And now we see the other side of the "stupid mother****er" argument.

"Oh the Avengers fights sucked because they looked weaker than Superman", you're a loser. thumb up

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/atheists.png

juggerman
Originally posted by Lestov16
I find it odd when people complain about the collateral damage in this film when I distinctly remember in JLU, after Supes gave his World of Cardboard speech, him slamming Darkseid through numerous buildings.

Exactly!

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
And what about the Superman vs Shazam fight? Man they really tore through buildings.

To be fair, in that fight the buildings were empty. Lex was opening a new city or something when that took place

NemeBro
Originally posted by Firefly218
The MoS fight, quality wise, was better than the Avengers fight.

I'm just saying the Avengers fight was much more fun while the MoS fight felt exhausting and pointless. That's fair enough, I can see why you'd enjoy it more considering the characters involved are far more enjoyable.

NemeBro
Originally posted by Bardock42
http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/atheists.png Posting xkcd scans is the lowest form of wit.

Bardock42
Originally posted by NemeBro
Posting xkcd scans is the lowest form of wit. Is that a challenge?

Robtard
Cyanide & Happiness on the way

NemeBro
Originally posted by Bardock42
Is that a challenge? Temper, temper. I wouldn't dream of challenging you.

Bardock42
Now I feel like you're coming on to me.

NemeBro
I'd prefer to come in you.

Robtard
Have you seen Bardock42? He's not anything like the "flowery waif beta boys" you claim are your type.

NemeBro
But he will be.

Robtard
His fist are the size of glazed hams, so you'd better prepare your entrances.

NemeBro
ALL THE BETTER TO EAT THEM WITH

Bardock42
Originally posted by NemeBro
I'd prefer to come in you.

Intriguing, which parts of me?

Esau Cairn
Originally posted by Nephthys
Kal didn't bring it anywhere. The fight started in the city and simply stayed there. Superman fights in densely populated cities and causes lots of destruction all the time in the cartoons and comics.

If Supes had any feeling for humankind, he would've taken the battle far away as possible from Metropolis. He didn't.

Yes, there's alot of destruction in cartoons & comics but when you're depicting a live-action film with real people & want the audience to believe it as realistically as possible then you really got to factor in that Superman gave little thought or concern that his action did in fact, kill people.

Nephthys
Only if you ignore him saving the entire human race about 10 minutes earlier. Also that he personally saved numerous people despite exposing himself multiple times. And killed Zod to save innocent human bystanders. And generally cherished human life. So basically only if you didn't watch the movie or are just stupid.

Kal in MoS has no experience or training. He was just trying to beat Zod in a fight and didn't have the time, wherewithal or luxury to worry about the surrounding people.

I doubt he could have taken it away from the city anyway. If he'd have tried to, Zod would only go back to kill more people.

Esau Cairn
Originally posted by Lestov16
The Thor/Hulk fight, which only lasted 3 minutes at best, was nowhere near as epic as...any of the fights in MOS.

I beg to differ. The Thor/Hulk fight was awesome compared to any of the battles in MOS.

Regardless of how short the Thor/Hulk fight was, it was unexpected, especially taking place on the helicarrier & well choreographed.
A short fight left the audiences wanting more NOT get bored with tedious repetition.

The MOS fights were predictable & pointless.
Superhero punches supervillian...no harm, no physical damage.
Supervillain returns punch with just the same useless effect.

At no stage did either Supes or Zod stop to realise how pointless their battling really was.

Esau Cairn
Originally posted by Nephthys
. And generally cherished human life.


Tell that to his grieving, widowed mother.

NemeBro
Originally posted by Esau Cairn


Regardless of how short the Thor/Hulk fight was, it was unexpected,

lol



Not as well-choreographed as MoS's.



It left the audience wanting more because it wasn't satisfying.



The sole flaw with the fights in MoS is indeed the lack of physical damage on the combatants, but they're still better than the Avengers'.

ares834
Originally posted by Esau Cairn
I beg to differ. The Thor/Hulk fight was awesome compared to any of the battles in MOS.

:/

The Thor/Hulk fight was garbage. You could have at least chose the Iron Man/Thor fight. That one was actually well done.

Esau Cairn
Originally posted by ares834
:/

The Thor/Hulk fight was garbage. You could have at least chose the Iron Man/Thor fight. That one was actually well done.

I was simply replying to someone who had already compared the Thor/Hulk fight to MOS.

Firefly218
Originally posted by ares834
:/

The Thor/Hulk fight was garbage. You could have at least chose the Iron Man/Thor fight. That one was actually well done.

Garbage? Are you high?

ares834
Nope. The fight was awful. For two superpowered beings, their fight was surpringly tame.

TH3_V01D
Yeah, for two characters like Thor and Hulk, that fight was just garbage. To slow and cheap looking.

I blame Whedon, you can give the guy all the budget of the world and his direction still has this cheap direct to tv look.

Kazenji
**** sake people take things for granted.

Esau Cairn
Originally posted by ares834
Nope. The fight was awful. For two superpowered beings, their fight was surpringly tame.

The fight took place on the helicarrier...Thor didn't want to fight Hulk, he wanted to subdue him.

Did you honestly expect a full blown battle that would've destroyed the helicarrier & its entire crew?

ares834
Your point? Just because the plot forced the fight to be boring and tame doesn't make the fight exciting or good. It's still awful.

Rage.Of.Olympus
I enjoyed Man of Steel but at the same time I was incredibly disappointed based on what I was expecting. And based on the huge opening week and the immediate drop off, most people probably felt the same way.

I think it could have been a great movie, but it ended up being Pacific Rim with capes. That's not necessarily a bad thing, but I don't think that was their goal.

It was TERRIBLE as a Superman movie, the script was pretty crap from what I can tell, some of the dialogue was eh, and I can't even tell whether or not Cavill is any good as an actor because the script gave him so little to work with.

On the bright side, Faora was awesome. I give the movie a 7/10 if I pretend I know nothing about Superman, and 4-6/10 based on what I do know.

It tries to aspire to be something great but falls flat and kind of becomes a block buster spectacle. And it's not very good at that because of how....joyless it feels. The Avengers may not have had action as epic or as flashy but I liked it a lot more because it felt fun.

I think this movie would have been much better received if it went for a lighter tone in my honest opinion. Also, they REALLY need to work on the pacing. It goes from a crawl to a sprint extremely fast and that sprint lasts for so long, it loses it's impact and gets somewhat boring.

Whatever, it made a profit, but it wasn't what WB was hoping for from what I can tell. Personally, I think this movie could have easily made 800 mil or more if it was good and released during a better period.

This sucks my two most anticipated movies of last year (Man of Murder, and The Comedy World) were pretty big disappointments. sad

Now I'm going to go watch Pacific Rim. Despite all it's flaws, that's a movie I can enjoy and leave wanting more.

Esau Cairn
Originally posted by ares834
Your point?


Well, you're entitled to your opinion.
It just seems you're hard to please.

TH3_V01D
Hell no, **** a lighter tone, i like that DC has a more gritty setting, variety in superhero movies is good thing imo.
In Avengers they make a big deal about the invasion but the apocalyptic scenerio never really shows.

Kazenji
Yeah....gritty makes everything better roll eyes (sarcastic)

not everything needs to be just that.

Lord Lucien
Rule #1, gritty all the time.

Rule #2, grit everywhere. Everywhere, on the walls, on the ceiling, on the f*cking sofa.

Rule #3, gritty lunch.

NemeBro
Originally posted by TH3_V01D
Hell no, **** a lighter tone, i like that DC has a more gritty setting, variety in superhero movies is good thing imo.
In Avengers they make a big deal about the invasion but the apocalyptic scenerio never really shows. Gritty is fine, if pulled off well.

MoS didn't pull it off well. It's not the soaring operatic darkness one gets from the Warhammer 40,000 universe or the cerebral, religious darkness of Evangelion, nor is it the fantastic existential darkness of Berserk.

It's just... Empty. It's the same feeling you get when you look into an empty room with gray walls and dim lighting. And hey man that could be fine, the same feeling of emptiness works very well for settings like Fallout. But Man of Steel tries to juxtapose it with the same over the top comic silliness that has been in superhero movies before, a contrast which is jarring.

But even that is not a deal-breaker. The main thing that caused Man of Steel to come tumbling down was the characters. Man of Steel had two kinds of characters, for the most part (Jor-El might be an exception): Edgy sci-fi characters like Zod or Faora, or plain boring and inhuman characters like Lois and Clark. If your characters are human and believable then even the most fantastic setting feels real, keeping the viewer under the willing suspension of disbelief. Man of Steel's characters are much like its tone: Empty, devoid of any substance.

It wasn't the worst movie I've ever seen, but it might be the single most disappointing.

Firefly218
Originally posted by TH3_V01D

I blame Whedon, you can give the guy all the budget of the world and his direction still has this cheap direct to tv look.

Have you seen Whedon's directorial debut Serenity? That's a perfect example of Whedon taking a low budget movie and making it epic, amazing and feel like a big budget movie.

I agree that the direction of Avengers was a little choppy. Avengers was only his second film as a director, and it was his first big budget blockbuster.

The fights between characters weren't supposed to be epic, dramatic battles though. They were supposed to be petty, childish quibbles between egomaniac superheroes. That last battle was supposed to be epic, and that it was.

Firefly218
Originally posted by NemeBro


thumb up

Exactly my opinion.

Nolan did grit l gritty right. Snyder tried to imitate him, and IMO failed, miserably.

Kazenji
And also it doesn't work with "everything", Seriously would people want it for something like the F4.

Firefly218
Originally posted by Kazenji
And also it doesn't work with "everything", Seriously would people want it for something like the F4.

I think Fox is actually doing that. They're gonna make a gritty F4 origin story confused idk

Kazenji
Knowing Fox....they would try something like that.

tkitna
I didn't think MOS was very good, but it was entertaining enough that I would watch it again if it came on the tv.

My biggest issue with the film was Zod continuously getting his ass kicked. He was a trained military leader, but yet got slapped around by a scientist and a guy that's never thrown a punch in his life. Wow, what a menacing villain.

Another issue was Russell Crowe being in half the movie although he's supposed to be dead. Whats the point?

Actually, theres a lot of issues with the movie now that I think about it.

Lestov16
Originally posted by tkitna
I didn't think MOS was very good, but it was entertaining enough that I would watch it again if it came on the tv.

These are essentially my thoughts on it as well. The script sucked major ass (as I noted in an earlier post, the entire plot of the film doesn't make any sense) and the characters (spefically Lois Lane) were rather bland, but I will not deny that this film had IMO the best superhero action of any comic book film. The film gets very entertaining when Zod rolls in, but before that with Clark's character development, it was like a Nam-Ek-caused train-wreck. Basically, I applaud Zach Snyder for the excellent directing and cinematography (except for the hilarious Sears product placement), but I boo David S. Goyer on the pitifully sub-par script.

-Pr-
Marvel talking shit about DC... Yeah, that's new.

Kazenji
Originally posted by -Pr-
Marvel talking shit about DC... Yeah, that's new.

We're talking about Quan here, He'll use anything to keep the hate flames burning when it comes to DC.

-Pr-
True.

Instead of just, you know, finding what he likes in both, like everyone else.

dadudemon
Originally posted by Kazenji
We're talking about Quan here, He'll use anything to keep the hate flames burning when it comes to DC.

Didn't Quanchi admit to liking something DC, a while back? If so, do you remember what it was?

I'm curious about what DC has put out that even Quanchi admits it is good...


I bet it is something from Frank Miller. smile

juggerman
Dark Knight Trilogy

Lestov16
It seems to me that Quan takes the versus boards a bit too seriously, and is now trying to debate even the most irrelevant competitions. I'm just continuously shocked that it's a grown 35 year old doing this.

Firefly218
Dark Knight trilogy was great.

Firefly218
People's obsession with Quan bashing surprises me. Just let the troll troll

Lestov16
I supposed you're correct, but it's kind of hard not to criticize him in this thread when he's the thread starter.

NemeBro
Originally posted by Lestov16
It seems to me that Quan takes the versus boards a bit too seriously, and is now trying to debate even the most irrelevant competitions. I'm just continuously shocked that it's a grown 35 year old doing this. Or he's trolling all of you, lol.

Lestov16
That's the Jew way of looking at it. You don't want to wear a yamaka, do you?

zeel
Originally posted by Patient_Leech
The world is different now. Less idealistic, more cynical. I think it demands a darker Superman. I'm not necessarily saying that's a good thing, it's just not surprising.


disagree the only people wanting a darker superman are the younger generations. My brother owns three movie theaters in the Washington state area. cannot tell you how much time and money we have put into research with the university of Washington about this particular subject. Something we have noticed was the D.C. movies are attracting a ton of the the 18-25 year olds. over 40 is almost no existint in theses movies. Yet the marvel movies especially captain America and avengers are bringing in all age groups, cap in general did extremely well with the older generation I noticed.

Perhaps its different in other states or locations but in the seattle Washington area this is what we found.

As far as MOS it was a pretty good movie, I Had to watch it 4 times till I started likeing it doh. What can I say im a Christopher reeves fan and always will be. As far as the next MOS movie goes, there is rumor his suit will be all black. If this is the case I aint watching the ****ing thing that's just to much for me . Change is ok in the movies. But completely remaking a movie geared for one class of people is stupid. Think D.C does this a lot, they have there reason though and I respect that. But if they want to catch marvel they need to appeal to all types and ages of people.

Time Immemorial
I don't see what the problem with the movie was. It had a good story, good action, a true beginning of krypton and ended with Superman holding his ground against being used by humanity or being spied on.

dadudemon
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
I don't see what the problem with the movie was. It had a good story, good action, a true beginning of krypton and ended with Superman holding his ground against being used by humanity or being spied on.

It was decent at worst and a pretty good story at best. Its weakness was getting boring and being too flat, at times.


How they could make a story about the archetypal Super Hero with absurd super powers come off as boring and flat, I'll never know.



You know, cheesy would have been a better choice than boring and flat. I think it would have been more enjoyable if they went for a cheesier portrayal than they did.

wakkawakkawakka
Originally posted by dadudemon
It was decent at worst and a pretty good story at best. Its weakness was getting boring and being too flat, at times.


How they could make a story about the archetypal Super Hero with absurd super powers come off as boring and flat, I'll never know.



You know, cheesy would have been a better choice than boring and flat. I think it would have been more enjoyable if they went for a cheesier portrayal than they did.

The sad part is all Goyer had to do was copy and paste the plot of Superman Birthright while changing the villains to the Kryptonians and he would've had an amazing movie on his hands.

Instead we ended up with this of all things

zeel
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
I don't see what the problem with the movie was. It had a good story, good action, a true beginning of krypton and ended with Superman holding his ground against being used by humanity or being spied on.


No problems with the movie it was just completely different from past movies, sometimes it takes time for people to accept change. Some things in the movie were better then past movies and some things were not.

Time Immemorial
Originally posted by zeel
No problems with the movie it was just completely different from past movies, sometimes it takes time for people to accept change. Some things in the movie were better then past movies and some things were not.

What did you like better about the past movies of Superman vs this one?

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