Click HERE to see this thread with all of the graphics, features, and links.

Force, sabers, all out

The good count takes this in a good fight. Fisto's Mastery of Shii-Cho may have saved him during his fight with grevious, but as shown during his fight with ventress(a makashi specialist) easily defeated him so the count should have no problem dealing with him, as for Kyle, it is a tough fight, Kyle's a pretty power duelist and has both sides of the force going for him, but the count took on three nightsisters, Anakin and Obi-Wan, Ventress and Savage and Yoda. my vote goes to the Count Dooku

Yeah, Dooku wins.

Kyle's good, and I think they'll do all right at first, but when Fisto falls he'll be at a disadvantage on his own.

Which Kyle? dark forces, jedi outcast, jedi academy, or the novels

I'm assuming Kyle at his peak.

Originally posted by Q99
I'm assuming Kyle at his peak. Kyle with mid difficulty solos the old man

Originally posted by PTforthewin
Kyle with mid difficulty solos the old man

lol @ Kyle Solo'ing dooku mid diff.

Katarn is vastly underrated, he was one of the best in lukes order

Yeah, but mid-diffing Dooku? Please explain.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
lol @ Kyle Solo'ing dooku mid diff. Kyle was the jedi battle master of lukes order and was a master of the fast,hard, and medium saber styles.

I was thumbing up the soloing part, it wouldn't be mid difficulty, in fact it would be one of the toughest fights of his life, but I think Kyle could win

Dooku stomps.

Originally posted by PTforthewin
Kyle was the jedi battle master of lukes order and was a master of the fast,hard, and medium saber styles.

Cin Drallig was the battlemaster of the Golden Age of the Order, was a master of all 7 forms of lightsaber combat but would get throttled by the good Count. Dooku gestures Fisto away then murders Kyle while sipping cristal.

I'd say that Kit and Kyle are pretty equal as a duo to Anakin and Obi-Wan.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I'd say that Kit and Kyle are pretty equal as a duo to Anakin and Obi-Wan.

God no, I could never see Kyle giving Dooku the trouble Anakin gives him in TCWs, and Kenobi fending off both the Maul brothers as well as disarming Ventress (and in the Infinites flat out defeating her) is above Kit imo.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Cin Drallig was the battlemaster of the Golden Age of the Order, was a master of all 7 forms of lightsaber combat but would get throttled by the good Count. Dooku gestures Fisto away then murders Kyle while sipping cristal. later in the jedi order when luke finally fully restored the jedi Kyle mastered all 7 saber forms as well

One on one, off the top of my head, I really think the only Jedi who can consistently mess with (or mess up) Dooku are Yoda, Mace Windu, Anakin and Luke Skywalker, and I suppose the Hero of Tython. There are others who might put pressure on him (maybe: Jacen Solo; maaaybe: Ven Zallow, Cade Skywalker; maaaaaybe: Satele Shan, Kyp Durron, Kol Skywalker) but I don't think any of them have a real shot of winning.

Am I missing anyone?

The Barsen'thor. She's his clear superior in power and overall fighting ability imo.

Also the, urgh, Hero of Umbara. If hes canon at all. uhuh

Not very familiar with the TOR crew, I'll take a look. Is there a respect thread or something?

Oh, and I guess Revan's up there.

He is not.

Originally posted by Eminence
Not very familiar with the TOR crew, I'll take a look. Is there a respect thread or something?

Oh, and I guess Revan's up there.

There is, mine! Forgive the amateurish construction. I'm not really a respect thread aficionado.

Short version:

http://25.media.tumblr.com/30f33c05a03920427cccee1290d51490/tumblr_mnu9ayeG0s1rbwuv5o1_500.png

http://25.media.tumblr.com/987fe392f1ff526beec47ae6dbc1d448/tumblr_mnu9ayeG0s1rbwuv5o2_500.png

Chucked a huge slab of metal a large distance casually.

Tanked an explosion that demolished a blast door to her face.

Defeated an ancient Sith Lord who was drawing power from hundreds of Jedi Masters at once, when she was weakened from using an extremely draining shielding technique multiple times and had to fight through his army first.

Defeated the First Son, a being powerful enough to mask hundreds of powerful Sith from detection by the Jedi.

And Marek, durrrr. Think adding Depa to the one of the Maybe tiers is fair, but those don't really matter anyway.

Thanks Neph.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
He is not.

This was in reference to Neph's lament on the Hero of Stupid Tie-In Avatar Game Not Confirmed in Any Other Canon source.

Originally posted by Nephthys
uhuh
Yessss. He's the Hero of Tython 2.0.
And he's canon, bitches.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure he's non-canon. A PT era Jedi who beat Dooku and Yoda, lolwut?

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Yessss. He's the Hero of Tython 2.0.
And he's canon, bitches.

Prove that he is referenced canonically in any reference guide or other EU canon material.

He doesn't need to be...One canonical appearance is enough for a character to be deemed canon.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
He doesn't need to be...One canonical appearance is enough for a character to be deemed canon.

No, not when the individual can defeat two of the most powerful Jedi of all time in a game that has events literally not referenced elsewhere. This isn't like KotOR or JA which are noted in guidebooks, encyclopedias, etc. This guy exists in a wish fulfilment tie in game and that's it. The unusual circumstances of his feats and canon isolation beg for more proof.

Seriously, this guy makes Anakin look like a pussy. He should be the guy touted as the Chosen One. Sidious should be seducing this clown.

I've never understood why some people think of Dooku as a top tier character. He's firmly established as not really being in the same league as the best guys in his era, his showings are utterly drawfed by a large number of people in the EU, and he never really had that aura that the great heroes/villains of the mythos possess, that feeling of being extraordinarily powerful/talented. I'd imagine there were hundreds of Force Users that were more powerful than Dooku since the Dawn of the Jedi, and he's certainly not close to the truly top tier guys, and that's excluding the God tier characters.

Dooku>Vitiate.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Seriously, this guy makes Anakin look like a pussy. He should be the guy touted as the Chosen One. Sidious should be seducing this clown. I played CWA 2010-2014 and it was super fun

Originally posted by Nephthys
Seriously, this guy makes Anakin look like a pussy. He should be the guy touted as the Chosen One. Sidious should be seducing this clown.

Though frankly if he can already beat Yoda, he should be the one seducing Sidious!

So laaaaaame.

Originally posted by Nephthys
The Barsen'thor. She's his clear superior in power and overall fighting ability imo. http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/LolBitchPlease.gif
none of the opponents of the Barsen'thor are has fought impressive as the ones dooku has fought, Anakin, Obi-Wan, Ventress and Yoda to name a few. okay I'm with you on the Barsen'thor being a bit(maybe more) stronger than dooku in terms of the force, but dueling wise they don't even compare, Dooku is stated to be the ONLY one(besides Sidious) who can face Mace and Yoda on even ground, he's taken on three nightsisters at the same - while he was blinded/poisoned.

Oh man, he took on 3 whole Nightsisters while poisoned? Aw man, thats so cooooool.

But the Barsen'thor fought through a capital ship manned by a small army and defeated an ancient Sith lord drawing power from hundreds of Jedi Masters, while also greatly weakened. And after tanking an explosion that blew through a blast door.

The First Son is also easily up there with frigging Anakin, Obi-Wan and Ventress lol. It is true that the Consular lacks dueling feats, but she is still an incredibly prodigy and Force Master. She doesn't need a lightsaber to defeat Dooku.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Oh man, he took on 3 whole Nightsisters while poisoned? Aw man, thats so cooooool.

But the Barsen'thor fought through a capital ship manned by a small army and defeated an ancient Sith lord drawing power from hundreds of Jedi Masters, while also greatly weakened. And after tanking an explosion that blew through a blast door.

The First Son is also easily up there with frigging Anakin, Obi-Wan and Ventress lol. It is true that the Consular lacks dueling feats, but she is still an incredibly prodigy and Force Master. She doesn't need a lightsaber to defeat Dooku.

http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/mcgrbr.gif

all kidding aside though, yes she is a formidable force user, but in terms of dueling(which is how a battle ALWAYS goes in the SW world) she/he/it/IDGAF loses to Dooku. but in a force fight the edge - along with the victory go to the Barsen'thor.

True. She has basically ****-all in terms of lightsaber feats. But she can block lightsabers with a Force Bubble.

Originally posted by Nephthys
True. She has basically ****-all in terms of lightsaber feats. But she can block lightsabers with a Force Bubble. http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/cleared-for-approach.gif
I love it when we can agree on things

Originally posted by gigantic cuntface
Dooku>Vitiate.

prove it *****.

Originally posted by Nephthys
The First Son is also easily up there with frigging Anakin
You mean the Anakin Skywalker who has out-ran missiles, collapsed humongous domes and towers, out-dueled some of the greatest duelists in the mythos, and has been personally admitted by Mace to Anakin being his superior?...or are you referring to Anakin Solo?

Originally posted by Astor Ebligis
prove it *****.
I reported you for hostility and bullying.

Using the c-word is lame.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
You mean the Anakin Skywalker who has out-ran missiles, collapsed humongous domes and towers, out-dueled some of the greatest duelists in the mythos, and has been personally admitted by Mace to Anakin being his superior?...or are you referring to Anakin Solo?

He didn't outrun missiles, and the feat you're referring to occurred in exaggerated material. Him collapsing that dome isn't that impressive, nor is him collapsing a tower by breaking a single support strut. Pretty much every notable character is one of the greatest duelists in the mythos and Mace said Depa was superior to him as well.

http://r19.imgfast.net/users/1916/39/10/06/album/pr/anakin12_800x600.jpg

No where does it say it's not eligible for debates.

But it is.

I see you didn't even look at the size of the support strut.
Ah, and I also forgot about the time he moves one of these casually:
http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20071127215521/starwars/images/thumb/4/48/Battleplatform.JPG/250px-Battleplatform.JPG
Yes, those small grayish yellow things are battle droids.

Nope.

Quote?

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
http://r19.imgfast.net/users/1916/39/10/06/album/pr/anakin12_800x600.jpg

I don't see him running, do you?

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
No where does it say it's not eligible for debates.

If its exaggerated, we have no way of determining what Anakin is truly capable of. Its pointless to bring up feats that are clearly beyond what a character can do in most other forms of media.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
But it is.

I established quite clearly a few weeks ago that the feat was overblown.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I see you didn't even look at the size of the support strut.

I did, actually. He snapped a single bar of metal which caused a chain-reaction of the rest of it to break and the structure to collapse. And it took him considerable time and effort. I'm not even sure I'd rate it on par with Kenobi pulling down that crate in RotS.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Ah, and I also forgot about the time he moves one of these casually:
http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20071127215521/starwars/images/thumb/4/48/Battleplatform.JPG/250px-Battleplatform.JPG
Yes, those small grayish yellow things are battle droids.

I don't recall it being casual. I thought he was straining quite a bit.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Nope.

Mmmm hmmmm.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Quote?

Someone posted it these last few days. Newguy was arguing it wasn't totally inaccurate iirc.

I consider it Skyrunning.

Or because he's just that good?

Yeah, but everyone laughed at you and moved on.

For something that big, I consider it casual.
http://i55.servimg.com/u/f55/17/73/92/12/anakin11.jpg

Name ten that aren't Sidious or Yoda.

Find it then. It's your argument, not mine.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I consider it Skyrunning.

In any case, its pretty much impossible to tell speed from that image. All we can tell is that Anakin cuts two missiles in half, not whether he outsped them.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Or because he's just that good?

But the fact is that he isn't that good, in other, non-exaggerated works.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Yeah, but everyone laughed at you and moved on.

No, they failed to rebut my points and dropped it.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
For something that big, I consider it casual.

Perhaps if you have no understanding of the meaning of the word.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Name ten that aren't Sidious or Yoda.

Um, Agen Kolar, Mace Windu, Obi-Wan Kenobi, Depa Billaba, Kit Fisto, Dooku, Anakin Skywalker, Shaak Ti, Darth Maul and Saesee Tiin.

Would you like me to name ten from each era, or is just the PT fine?

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Find it then. It's your argument, not mine.

Man, I don't give a ****. Believe me or not. Its your choice, dongnose.

Look at all those after images bra.

He outduels Dooku who has outdueled Mace.

Because your points were so awful they though u were trolling.

Depa is not.
Fisto and Tiin are not stated in terms of dueling.
Quote for Shaak Ti?
So far you are at 6.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Look at all those after images bra.

Those aren't after images, they're a stylistic representation of the route Anakin took.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
He outduels Dooku who has outdueled Mace.

No one is denying Zonakin is great.

He also got beaten by Obi-Wan though, so he's obviously not always on that level.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Because your points were so awful they though u were trolling.

oh man you just started some sick fires bro!

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Depa is not.
Fisto and Tiin are not stated in terms of dueling.
Quote for Shaak Ti?
So far you are at 6.

Depa was pressing Windu. He said she was more skilled than himself and noted in their duel that she was faster than him. Even accounting for Maces massive modesty, shes undoubtedly still one of the most skilled duelists of the age.

I was under the impression that all the B team were referred to as being amongst the bestest of the best evar.

Shes stated to be one of the most celebrated swordsbeings in the history of the order.

Ventress, Qui-Gon, Hero of Umbara derp.

No, they are after images.

There is no such thing as Zonakin.

You mean pressing a Windu with wounds covering his entire body and more broken bones that as broken bone person?

Only Kolar to my knowledge is stated to be among the best in dueling.

Quote and Source.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
No, they are after images.

Nope. Its a common bit of artistic license used in comics.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
There is no such thing as Zonakin.

Really? I thought the RotS novel was still canon?

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
You mean pressing a Windu with wounds covering his entire body and more broken bones that as broken bone person?

Yeah, that fight.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Only Kolar to my knowledge is stated to be among the best in dueling.

Well Fisto is obviously superior to Kolar so theres that. I don't care about Tiin, replace him with Ventress or something.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Quote and Source.

"Man, I don't give a ****. Believe me or not. Its your choice, dongnose."

No where does it stated in Zonakin.

Not in dueling.

I would agree, but Anakin is shown doing an incredible speed feat, so they are after images.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
No where does it stated in Zonakin.

Not in dueling.

I would agree, but Anakin is shown doing an incredible speed feat, so they are after images.

Yes am is.

Uh, yeah in dueling. He clearly did better against Sidious. He's also tooled AotC Kenobi and Grievous. Fisto is probably the next best Council member after Ani and Obi.

Its only your interpretation that he's doing an incredible speed feat. And only because you want him to be. Doing..... it. Suck it.

Clearly did better against Sidious? You mean because Sidious went for Kolar and Tiin first, and that Fisto hid behind Mace for a couple of attacks?

No, it's everyones but TOR fans.

He blocks like 2 strikes and even manages some attacks of his own. He did better than Kolar and Tiin put together.

Who care was 'everyone' else thinks. **** those guys, they're still wrong. Also appeal to majority bluh bluh huge fallacy.

Rewatch the fight. Fisto completes one real swing, and it's only because Mace swang at the same time as well. All the other attacks he blocked were because Mace was right there helping Fisto block it.

I think Jacen could take down Dooku.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Rewatch the fight. Fisto completes one real swing, and it's only because Mace swang at the same time as well. All the other attacks he blocked were because Mace was right there helping Fisto block it.

Lolnope. Thats not even close to accurate. I'm watching it right now mofo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qKyuQgXy00
Fisto's first block w/help: 0:38
Fisto's second block w/ mace swinging: implied off screen 0:39
Fistos one swing: 0:40
Fisto is killed: 0:42

What about the attack/block at 37, when Palpatine first engages him and Windu?

Either way, he did better than the other two and was able to partially keep up without being instant blitzed.

I don't think Fisto purposely went to attack there, the attack was to light. It seems as if the blades just skimmed off one another.

Either way, it was Fisto again being fast enough to touch lightsabers with Sidious, whether he was responding to Sidious' attack or trying one of his own.

Fisto was also was the last one dead, though. I'm sure if he were in Kolar's place he would have suffered a similar fate.

Originally posted by Astor Ebligis
I've never understood why some people think of Dooku as a top tier character. He's firmly established as not really being in the same league as the best guys in his era, his showings are utterly drawfed by a large number of people in the EU, and he never really had that aura that the great heroes/villains of the mythos possess, that feeling of being extraordinarily powerful/talented. I'd imagine there were hundreds of Force Users that were more powerful than Dooku since the Dawn of the Jedi, and he's certainly not close to the truly top tier guys, and that's excluding the God tier characters.

I think it's a combination of him holding off Yoda, his good showings in two-on-one Kenobi and Anakin fights, and people speaking highly of him as one of the more skillful Jedi before he left. Even so, I likewise think people put him a bit high and not on the truly top tier.

It's because he's played by Christopher Lee. You have to love him.

And this.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0u6gig6wR1rqbv05o1_500.gif