Depa Billaba, Mace Windu (ROTS), and Yoda vs ROTS sidious

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PTforthewin
Takes place in the chancellors office

NewGuy01
Depa isn't even needed for this to be a clear win for the team.

Darth Martin
Yoda can beat Palpatine. Mace can hold his own. Depa isn't needed.

DarthAnt66
Yoda can't beat Palpatine by himself, they are stated to be equals.

"Yoda's knowledge of the Force makes him just as powerful as Darth Sidious."
-Mysterious of the Jedi

"Sidious battles with passion and fury, only to be matched every blow by Yoda's calm, measured skill."
-Beware of the Sith

However if you add in Mace, the team obviously takes this.

Darth Martin
He definitely can. They're not going to stalemate forever. Eventually there will be a victor.

Everything we've seen has implied Yoda to be the superior swordsman. He's also able to counter his Force lightning with bare hands and can hang TK-wise.

Mace needs help in an all-out or force fight but Yoda most likely has the edge in all but a force fight.

DarthAnt66
Everything we seen implies Yoda is barely superior swordsman but Palpatine is barely superior at the Force. It is the ultimate stalemate.

Darth Martin
Nah, Yoda has his number in a swordfight. Sidious wants no part with him there.

Obviously, he doesn't dwarf Sidious in skill but he's clearly superior to me. I'm basing this off the ROTS novelisation, movie, and the S6 dream sequence of TCW.

DarthAnt66
"Ob-Wan and Yoda were the only Jedi left in a position to do something about the disaster. Yoda went after Palpatine in the empty Senate chamber, but could not defeat the most powerful Sith Lord in history."



I'll highlight in green the parts where Yoda is the superior, then red where Palpatine is. And no where in the fight did Yoda demonstrate an advantage.

"Lightning speared from outstretched hands, and the battle was on.
In the Senate Arena, lightning forked from the hands of a Sith, and
bent away from the gesture of a Jedi to shock Redrobes into unconsciousness.
Then there were only the two of them.

Their clash transcended the personal; when new lightning blazed, it was
not Palpatine burning Yoda with his hate, it was the Lord of all Sith
scorching the Master of all Jedi into a smoldering huddle of clothing and
green flesh.

A thousand years of hidden Sith exulted in their victory.
"Your time is over! The Sith rule the galaxy! Now and forever!"

And it was the whole of the Jedi Order that rocketed from its huddle,
making of its own body a weapon to blast the Sith to the ground.
"At an end your rule is, and not short enough it was, I must say."
There appeared a blade the color of life.
From the shadow of a black wing, a small weapon-a holdout, an easily
concealed backup, a tiny bit of treachery expressing the core of Sith
mastery-slid into a withered hand and spat a flame-colored blade of its own.
When those blades met, it was more than Yoda against Palpatine, more
the millennia of Sith against the legions of Jedi; this was the expression
of the fundamental conflict of the universe itself.
Light against dark.
Winner take all.

There came a turning point in the clash of the light against the dark.
It did not come from a flash of lightning or slash of energy blade,
though there were these in plenty; it did not come from a flying kick or a
surgically precise punch, though these were traded, too.
It came as the battle shifted from the holding office to the great
Chancellor's Podium; it came as the hydraulic lift beneath the Podium raised
it on its tower of durasteel a hundred meters and more, so that it became a
laserpoint of battle flaring at the focus of the vast emptiness of the
Senate Arena; it came as the Force and the podium's controls ripped
delegation pods free of the curving walls and made of them hammers,
battering rams, catapult stones crashing and crushing against each other in
a rolling thunder-roar that echoed the Senate's cheers for the galaxy's new
Emperor.

It came when the avatar of light resolved into the lineage of the Jedi;
when the lineage of the Jedi refined into one single Jedi.

It came when Yoda found himself alone against the dark.
In that lightning-speared tornado of feet and fists and blades and
bashing machines, his vision finally pierced the darkness that had clouded
the Force.
Finally, he saw the truth.
This truth: that he, the avatar of light, Supreme Master of the Jedi
Order, the fiercest, most implacable, most devastatingly powerful foe the
darkness had ever known . . .
just-
didn't-
have it.

He'd never had it. He had lost before he started.
He had lost before he was born.
The Sith had changed. The Sith had grown, had adapted, had invested a
thousand years' intensive study into every aspect of not only the Force but
Jedi lore itself, in preparation for exactly this day. The Sith had remade
themselves.
They had become new.
While the Jedi-
The Jedi had spent that same millennium training to refight the last
war.
The new Sith could not be destroyed with a lightsaber; they could not
be burned away by any torch of the Force. The brighter his light, the darker
their shadow. How could one win a war against the dark, when war itself had
become the dark's own weapon?
He knew, at that instant, that this insight held the hope of the
galaxy. But if he fell here, that hope would die with him. Hmmm, Yoda
The end came with astonishing suddenness.
The shadow could feel how much it cost the little green freak to bend
back his lightnings into the cage of energy that enclosed them both; the
creature had reached the limits of his strength. The shadow released its
power for an instant, long enough only to whirl away through the air and
alight upon one of the delegation pods as it flew past, and the creature
leapt to follow-
Half a second too slow.

The shadow unleashed its lightning while the creature was still in the
air, and the little green freak took its full power. The
shock blasted him backward to crash against the podium, and he fell.
He fell a long way.
The base of the Arena was a hundred meters below, littered with twisted
scraps and jags of metal from the pods destroyed in the battle, and as the
little green freak fell, finally, above, the victorious shadow became once
again only Palpatine: a very old, very tired man, gasping for air as he
leaned on the pod's rail.
Old he might have been, but there was nothing wrong with his eyesight;
he scanned the wreckage below, and he did not see a body.
He flicked a finger, and in the Chancellor's Podium a dozen meters
away, a switch tripped and sirens sounded throughout the enormous building;
another surge of the Force sent his pod streaking in a downward spiral to
the holding office at the base of the Podium tower. Clone troops were
already swarming into it. "It was Yoda," he said as he swung out of the pod.
"Another assassination attempt. Find him and kill him. If you have to, blow
up the building."
He didn't have time to direct the search personally. The Force hummed a
warning in his bones: Lord Vader was in danger. Mortal danger.
Clones scattered. He stopped one officer. "You. Call the shuttle dock
and tell them I'm on my way. Have my ship warmed and ready."
The officer saluted, and Palpatine, with vigor that surprised even
himself, ran.

With the help of the Force, Yoda sprinted along the service accessway
below the Arena faster than a human being could run; he sliced conduits as
he passed, filling the accessway behind him with coils of high-voltage
cables, twisting and spitting lightning. Every few dozen meters, he paused
just long enough to slash a hole in the accessway's wall; once his pursuers
got past the cables, they would have to divide their forces to search each
of his possible exits.
thought. A problem this is . . ."




Yes, Yoda is depicted as the superior for the duration of the fight, but by the end Palpatine has fully adjusted to Yoda's unorthodox style and they seem to fight as equals.


The first 3 seconds of the fight seem to be going against Palpatine. Yoda's unorthodox method is making him underestimate is lightsaber range. He even jumps backwards when Yoda's blade is no where near contact.
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Both masters of the Force are missing some swings, most likely due to the sheer speed and agility of the opponent. However Yoda's unorthodox method of dueling continues to seemingly push Palpatine back.
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Same as before. Yoda continues to push Palpatine back to his unpredictable leaps. Meanwhile, they continue to miss their opponent around half of their lightsaber swings.
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They seem to finally have adjusted to the other's! Also, I would like to point out now Palpatine is not being pushed back by Yoda anymore then his own spins are redirecting him backwards..
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From above it seems what is to be expected. The two masters make contact with blade two of the two attacks. They seem to be improving, a lot.
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The first two attacks from Yoda, Palpatine blocks. The next swing from Palpatine, Yoda leaps completely around. Then Yoda does an attack forcing Palpatine backwards.
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After Palpatine having to be forced backwards, he unleashes a short fury now putting Yoda on the defensive. They seem to be on even terms.
http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/3-09-2014/h15psC.gif
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At long last, it seems they are fighting equally. Both are pushing the opponent back at their respective times, and both are blocking the opponent's attacks equally.
http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/3-09-2014/RHmvdS.gif

Darth Martin
And the movie?

DarthAnt66
What about the movie? Like I said, despite Yoda being depicted as the superior duelist, he still couldn't defeat Palpatine, thanks to the Dark Lord's superior prowess in the Force.

King Joker
I think Sidious' style is far more unorthodox than Yoda. But, team stomp.

Emperordmb
Sidious's style strikes me as the type of style that would be hindered by being on such a podium...

And if we're talking about who can outlast the other, I really don't see how this can go to Yoda.

WildBantha88
Sidious dies hard

Emperordmb
Originally posted by WildBantha88
Sidious dies hard
agreed bro

carthage
Nowhere is Yoda superior, Sidious bfred him in the dream sequence and beat him because he was too much of a retard to defeat him. He also sent Yoda running like a ***** in the ROTS fight, even with Yoda flipping around like a pansy he stood there and batted away everything he threw at him

Sidious has been and always will be superior, but with Windu he's a dead man

Stealth Moose
lol. Some people.

DarthAnt66
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
lol. Some people.

WildBantha88
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
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Yes, Yoda is depicted as the superior for the duration of the fight, but by the end Palpatine has fully adjusted to Yoda's unorthodox style and they seem to fight as equals.


The first 3 seconds of the fight seem to be going against Palpatine. Yoda's unorthodox method is making him underestimate is lightsaber range. He even jumps backwards when Yoda's blade is no where near contact.
http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/3-09-2014/cfz7OW.gif
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Both masters of the Force are missing some swings, most likely due to the sheer speed and agility of the opponent. However Yoda's unorthodox method of dueling continues to seemingly push Palpatine back.
http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/3-09-2014/MschRJ.gif
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Same as before. Yoda continues to push Palpatine back to his unpredictable leaps. Meanwhile, they continue to miss their opponent around half of their lightsaber swings.
http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/3-09-2014/anwACT.gif
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They seem to finally have adjusted to the other's! Also, I would like to point out now Palpatine is not being pushed back by Yoda anymore then his own spins are redirecting him backwards..
http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/3-09-2014/p4FRA6.gif
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From above it seems what is to be expected. The two masters make contact with blade two of the two attacks. They seem to be improving, a lot.
http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/3-09-2014/DLo7w3.gif
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The first two attacks from Yoda, Palpatine blocks. The next swing from Palpatine, Yoda leaps completely around. Then Yoda does an attack forcing Palpatine backwards.
http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/3-09-2014/67G0Xa.gif
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After Palpatine having to be forced backwards, he unleashes a short fury now putting Yoda on the defensive. They seem to be on even terms.
http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/3-09-2014/h15psC.gif
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At long last, it seems they are fighting equally. Both are pushing the opponent back at their respective times, and both are blocking the opponent's attacks equally.
http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/3-09-2014/RHmvdS.gif That fight cannot be referenced, it never took place. It was a mental assault on yodas meaning all of that was just sidious messing around in yodas head.

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