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Which Loki is this? Kid Loki, classic Loki or she-Loki?

The Midgard Serpent can beat almost all of them (Hercules, Ulik, and maybe even Bill/Hulk etc.) just by swallowing them or biting them with it's venom.

Surfer and Bill might be able to win but they cannot f*ck around. They have to hit the Serpent hard and fast and with all they have in the hopes to take him down.

But the thing is legit crazy durable, able to take a beating from Thor and Mjolnir that would kill anyone else in this thread:
http://s27.postimg.org/pgj4r2ckv/Thor_278_12.jpghttp://s27.postimg.org/o07m8x9nz/Thor_278_13.jpghttp://s27.postimg.org/c0w41m433/Thor_278_14.jpg

It's LOWEST showing IIRC was Bill desperately hammering away at it's side and creating a TINY gash that almost instantaneously healed over.

When it comes to Hulk, I can't help but recall the time Merged Hulk died when Fenris' son ate him:
http://s29.postimg.org/q7da6k3pv/The_Incredible_Hulk_v2_422_21.jpghttp://s29.postimg.org/49leqie37/The_Incredible_Hulk_v2_422_22.jpg

IIRC, the Hulk also said that a -miniature- Midgard Serpent was laughing off his toughest shots (Due to being magic) until he used Loki's horn to harm it. The one created by Caine (Who had a fraction of Loki's power) in Tales to Astonish.

Basically, the Midgard Serpent would beat all of them rather convincingly in a fight. They would be hard-pressed just to really hurt it. Some of the more powerful and maneuverable ones (Hulk, Surfer, Bill) an conceivably win, but it would require going all-out and operating at an extreme level. The same goes for Thor and that's overlooking the fact that (With Mjolnir in hand) he can hit harder and with more fore then anyone else in this thread imho.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
The Midgard Serpent can beat almost all of them (Hercules, Ulik, and maybe even Bill/Hulk etc.) just by swallowing them or biting them with it's venom.

Surfer and Bill might be able to win but they cannot f*ck around. They have to hit the Serpent hard and fast and with all they have in the hopes to take him down.

But the thing is legit crazy durable, able to take a beating from Thor and Mjolnir that would kill anyone else in this thread:
http://s27.postimg.org/pgj4r2ckv/Thor_278_12.jpghttp://s27.postimg.org/o07m8x9nz/Thor_278_13.jpghttp://s27.postimg.org/c0w41m433/Thor_278_14.jpg

It's LOWEST showing IIRC was Bill desperately hammering away at it's side and creating a TINY gash that almost instantaneously healed over.

When it comes to Hulk, I can't help but recall the time Merged Hulk died when Fenris' son ate him:
http://s29.postimg.org/q7da6k3pv/The_Incredible_Hulk_v2_422_21.jpghttp://s29.postimg.org/49leqie37/The_Incredible_Hulk_v2_422_22.jpg

IIRC, the Hulk also said that a -miniature- Midgard Serpent was laughing off his toughest shots (Due to being magic) until he used Loki's horn to harm it. The one created by Caine (Who had a fraction of Loki's power) in Tales to Astonish.

Basically, the Midgard Serpent would beat all of them rather convincingly in a fight. They would be hard-pressed just to really hurt it. Some of the more powerful and maneuverable ones (Hulk, Surfer, Bill) an conceivably win, but it would require going all-out and operating at an extreme level. The same goes for Thor and that's overlooking the fact that (With Mjolnir in hand) he can hit harder and with more fore then anyone else in this thread imho.
The thing about this is :
a) The Serpent's "venom" is gaseous not liquid. Anyone that doesn't need to breathe would be immune to it. If he attempted to swallow anyone like that, he'd be fugged since they can attack his insides with impunity.

b) Isn't Merged Hulk generally seen as weaker than Savage Hulk? So while that's a nice feat for Fenris' son, Savage Hulk is another story.

Where would you rank the MS? Low herald, Mid Herald, High Herald?

In all honesty, I don't see him beating Hercules/Savage Hulk/Surfer/BM/BRB/Average Sentry for the majority. I could see him beating Ulik with his pounders basically every time. I could see Loki stalemating him eternally. Since I don't think Loki has the power to put the Serpent down, I don't see what the Serpent could possibly do to Loki either.

Originally posted by zopzop
The thing about this is :
a) The Serpent's "venom" is gaseous not liquid. Anyone that doesn't need to breathe would be immune to it. If he attempted to swallow anyone like that, he'd be fugged since they can attack his insides with impunity.

b) Isn't Merged Hulk generally seen as weaker than Savage Hulk? So while that's a nice feat for Fenris' son, Savage Hulk is another story.

Where would you rank the MS? Low herald, Mid Herald, High Herald?

In all honesty, I don't see him beating Hercules/Savage Hulk/Surfer/BM/BRB/Average Sentry for the majority. I could see him beating Ulik with his pounders basically every time. I could see Loki stalemating him eternally. Since I don't think Loki has the power to put the Serpent down, I don't see what the Serpent could possibly do to Loki either.

It's gaseous but the Midgard Serpent's fangs are also extremely powerful and poisonous and even posses their own type of magic. Well, not needing air to survive and breathing are slightly different. Even guys like Bill or Surfer still breath when in an atmosphere, no?

No, they'd be in trouble, as his insides are even tougher than his outer layer:
http://s21.postimg.org/sdzkdctcn/Thor488_04.jpg

No, Merged Hulk has a noticeably higher base and consistently outperformed Savage Hulk. It's arguable that he might not have reach the same crazy high's as Savage but on a consistent basis, he like Green Scar/World War Hulk, was easily on the same level as Savage Hulk.

High Herald at the very least with easily Trans level durability.

I'm not even going to begin to ask how you think Hercules could beat the Midgard Serpent in a fight. Blue Marvel/Sentry/Bill/Hulk are all powerful and maneuverable but I doubt they can do the necessary damage to put the Serpent down before succumbing to a beating on average.

Let's not forget that it's also not a giant snake but has other powers like the ability to stop time, long distance attacks, shape changing, invisibility and teleportation etc. Or it supposedly being immune to attacks from mortals due to being magic.

I give Thor 5-6/10 against the Serpent and he has a great deal of experience against the thing, has a power edge against everyone in this thread and knows to cut loose and not play around.

Loki is a bit of anomaly. He's the Serpent's father and is well, Loki. He has some weird pull over the thing and I wouldn't be surprised if he dismissed it due to being the father.

Speaking of Fenris, and I always forget this, but he swallowed the Sun and the remains of the Asgardian dimension:
http://s22.postimg.org/hfxzt7i01/Thor_278_14.jpg

I wonder what Loki bones in the Marvel Universe to create these monsters.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Loki is a bit of anomaly. He's the Serpent's father and is well, Loki. He has some weird pull over the thing and I wouldn't be surprised if he dismissed it due to being the father.

Or he could end up getting the Hela treatment from it.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

Speaking of Fenris, and I always forget this, but he swallowed the Sun and the remains of the Asgardian dimension:
http://s22.postimg.org/hfxzt7i01/Thor_278_14.jpg

One of my favorite feats.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

I wonder what Loki bones in the Marvel Universe to create these monsters.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
It's gaseous but the Midgard Serpent's fangs are also extremely powerful and poisonous and even posses their own type of magic. Well, not needing air to survive and breathing are slightly different. Even guys like Bill or Surfer still breath when in an atmosphere, no?

No, they'd be in trouble, as his insides are even tougher than his outer layer:

No, Merged Hulk has a noticeably higher base and consistently outperformed Savage Hulk. It's arguable that he might not have reach the same crazy high's as Savage but on a consistent basis, he like Green Scar/World War Hulk, was easily on the same level as Savage Hulk.

High Herald at the very least with easily Trans level durability.

I'm not even going to begin to ask how you think Hercules could beat the Midgard Serpent in a fight. Blue Marvel/Sentry/Bill/Hulk are all powerful and maneuverable but I doubt they can do the necessary damage to put the Serpent down before succumbing to a beating on average.

Let's not forget that it's also not a giant snake but has other powers like the ability to stop time, long distance attacks, shape changing, invisibility and teleportation etc. Or it supposedly being immune to attacks from mortals due to being magic.

I give Thor 5-6/10 against the Serpent and he has a great deal of experience against the thing, has a power edge against everyone in this thread and knows to cut loose and not play around.

Loki is a bit of anomaly. He's the Serpent's father and is well, Loki. He has some weird pull over the thing and I wouldn't be surprised if he dismissed it due to being the father.

Speaking of Fenris, and I always forget this, but he swallowed the Sun and the remains of the Asgardian dimension:

I wonder what Loki bones in the Marvel Universe to create these monsters.
The thing is, the Serpent's absolute best showing was against a crippled Thor. He was under Hela's curse and his body wasn't healing. In fact, Thor faced off vs the Serpent after the Battle in Olympus Avengers arc. Apollo mentioned that it was a miracle Thor could even move. So that's how weak Thor was when he killed the Serpent. A healthy Thor would have spite stomped him.

This is why I see Surfer/BM/Average Sentry/BRB beating him for the majority too. They're too strong and too mobile (and obviously not under a curse and in a crippled state).

That's why I think Herc with Mace and Hulk would destroy the Serpent too. They're basically Thor's physical peers. If the Serpent tried to swallow them, they'd shatter all the teeth in it's mouth like Crippled/Cursed Thor did.

Loki is a special case cause of his magic. He's too versatile for the Serpent to deal with.

IMHO the Serpent is around the upper end of Mid Herald level.

Off topic : I think Marvel retconned Loki's fathering of Hela and the Serpent. In Marvel Tarot, it states that Set is his father. And I saw a scan of Hela claiming Loki isn't her father either.
http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20121122025800/marveldatabase/images/1/16/NOTherFATHER.jpg

Originally posted by zopzop
The thing is, the Serpent's absolute best showing was against a crippled Thor. He was under Hela's curse and his body wasn't healing. In fact, Thor faced off vs the Serpent after the Battle in Olympus Avengers arc. Apollo mentioned that it was a miracle Thor could even move. So that's how weak Thor was when he killed the Serpent. A healthy Thor would have spite stomped him.

This is why I see Surfer/BM/Average Sentry/BRB beating him for the majority too. They're too strong and too mobile (and obviously not under a curse and in a crippled state).

That's why I think Herc with Mace and Hulk would destroy the Serpent too. They're basically Thor's physical peers. If the Serpent tried to swallow them, they'd shatter all the teeth in it's mouth like Crippled/Cursed Thor did.

Loki is a special case cause of his magic. He's too versatile for the Serpent to deal with.

No, the Serpent's best showing would probably be where it took on Red Norvell, killing him, then fighting Thor.

Thor -while noticeably weakened- managing to beat the Serpent in a massive suicide move, using his FULL POWER in a fight that shook entire dimensions:
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsMidgardSerpent16.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsMidgardSerpent17.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsMidgardSerpent18.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsMidgardSerpent19.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsMidgardSerpent20.jpg

Is NOT a bad showing for the Serpent, but just another example of how despite the odds being against him, Thor is able to rally and defeat foes that he should have no right to beat. We know how powerful and durable the Serpent is based on other encounters.



How can you read their fights and come to the conclusion that Thor could EVER spite stomp the Midgard Serpent? That's just stupid.

What's worse, is that you want to project Thor's feat onto Hercules/Blue Marvel/Sentry etc. in some weird ABC fashion? Hercules may be Thor's physical peer but he is nowhere near as powerful.

Here's the rub, Blue Marvel and the rest of those guys? They may be his peers, his rivals and so on but they cannot strike as hard as Thor can going all-out with Mjolnir or call on the same power. Hulk and Surfer are the only contenders but even they cannot strike with the same oomph and raw power that Thor can in one single attack.

You think they can destroy the Serpent because Thor barely beat it while going all-out in a move that everyone this side of Galactus should dodge?

Originally posted by zopzop
IMHO the Serpent is around the upper end of Mid Herald level.



The Midgard Serpent's power rivals Thor and it would take multiple all out strikes from a High Herald just to seriously damage it.

It's at least high herald level in power.

Originally posted by zopzop
Off topic : I think Marvel retconned Loki's fathering of Hela and the Serpent. In Marvel Tarot, it states that Set is his father. And I saw a scan of Hela claiming Loki isn't her father either.
http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20121122025800/marveldatabase/images/1/16/NOTherFATHER.jpg

Yes, currently Hela was created by Loki and not actually his biological daughter (Gods are stories etc. so it's an ever changing narrative) but the Midgard Serpent is definitely his son as far as I know. It's been confirmed multiple times.

Unless there's a clear change to their history, I don't care what some Tarot card (Lol btw) says.

Even the Hela being his daughter thing will almost certainly be re-retconned sooner or later.

I only see Loki and Surfer winning.

Blue Marvel maybe since anti-matter SHOULD bypass durability due to its nature unless the serpent has anti-matter tanking feats.