Superman (Man of Steel) vs Godzilla (2014)

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danielgamer
Superman (Man of Steel) vs Godzilla (2014)

Can Clark beat this version of Godzilla?

Darth Martin
Don't see why he couldn't. BFR does the trick. Besides, he's ALOT faster.

ares834
How can he BFR him? Godzilla is like 100000 tons...

Lestov16
If the MUTOs could break Godzilla's hide, don't see why Kal would not be able to as well.

Zack Fair
Kal has his work cut out for him. I guess it depends on who is more likely to hurt the other. Godzilla was slow as molases, but he was also huge and very durable. Quite unlike anything Kal ever faced before. However Kal's super speed, flight and size make it almost impossible for Godzilla to actually hit him.

Lestov16
I doubt anything Godzilla could potentially hit Kal with is as powerful as the World Engine

DrDeadpool
When it comes to Superman speed, size and flight matters the most but when it comes to Avengers , none of those matters , they get stomped BUT it doesn't matter they both get stomped superman has no way of putting Godzilla down either !

Zack Fair
Originally posted by DrDeadpool
When it comes to Superman speed, size and flight matters the most but when it comes to Avengers , none of those matters , they get stomped BUT it doesn't matter they both get stomped superman has no way of putting Godzilla down either ! What are you talking about? Why are you bringing the Avengers? Not to mention none of the Avengers have Superman's speed and maneuverability.

DrDeadpool
Originally posted by Zack Fair
What are you talking about? Why are you bringing the Avengers? Not to mention none of the Avengers have Superman's speed and maneuverability.

That's right, they don't but Iron man and Thor have flight and speed but those features don't even get mentioned in Avengers vs Godzilla thread but for Kal !! That's another story right! I agree that Avengers lose but it's the same for Superman he either lose here or it's a stalemate .

Zack Fair
I don't know about the Avengers thread you're talking about, but I think it will have something to do with neither Thor or Iron Man having the necessary strength and durability(Iron Man) or speed(Thor) to pose a real threat to Godzilla. Barring Thor flying through the Ice Giant monster. I don't see that happening to Godzilla.

Either way I'm with you. Kal will most likely stalemate or lose.

God Cloth Seiya
I'm sensing buthurt from someone.

Robtard
Blind's Godzilla with heat-vision, then turns his own body into a missile. /thread

Lestov16
thumb up

Time Immemorial
Superman wins

theTANTALIZER
Godzilla radiates Kal.

steverules_2
Couldn't Supes just fly down Godzilla's throat then punch his way out?

Rage.Of.Olympus
I wonder how many millions would die before Godzilla finally stops the Man of Steel's insane rampage?

WildBantha88
I think atomic breath would seriously hurt supes

ares834
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I wonder how many millions would die before Godzilla finally stops the Man of Steel's insane rampage?

laughing out loud

quanchi112
Godzilla wins.

Lestov16
No!!! You do not get to use Godzilla as your new bandwagon. Stick with Van Zan and your Cumbucket. Leave Godzilla out of this.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Lestov16
No!!! You do not get to use Godzilla as your new bandwagon. Stick with Van Zan and your Cumbucket. Leave Godzilla out of this. I said Godzilla loses in one thread and he wins here.

So since I say he wins a few times I'm a diehard fan ?

Quit trying to start trouble all the time.

Werewolf582
Godzilla should win without much trouble, he is to strong and durable for superman.

Lestov16
He has zilch way to put down Superman, who outclassed him in every category except size. His building-cutting heat vision alone would definitely slice into if not fully dismember Godzilla. His strength and speed will make his blows feel like effective bullets to Godzilla. Kal 4TW

Tattoos N Scars
Supes chunks him off planet and into the sun.

ares834
Originally posted by Lestov16
He has zilch way to put down Superman, who outclassed him in every category except size. His building-cutting heat vision alone would definitely slice into if not fully dismember Godzilla. His strength and speed will make his blows feel like effective bullets to Godzilla. Kal 4TW

GZ tanked a nuke... Don't see HV doing anything to him.

Lestov16
Superman tanked the World Engine. Don't see Godzilla doing anything to him.

Zack Fair
Nukes tend to make Godzilla and the mutos stronger >_>

ares834
Originally posted by Lestov16
Superman tanked the World Engine. Don't see Godzilla doing anything to him.

Cool. Good thing I didn't say Godzilla wins then.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Nukes tend to make Godzilla and the mutos stronger >_>

They feed on radiation, it doesn't necessarily raise their power level.

Robtard
That's like someone trying to kill you via thrown hot ham sandwich.

ares834
Originally posted by Robtard
That's like someone trying to kill you via thrown hot ham sandwich.

Or a watermelon.

Robtard
I've been hit by a watermelon before, not so bad. It shattered against my unwavering frame.

Lestov16
So you are a human equivalent of Gallagher's hammer then?

Robtard
The Sledge-O-Matic?

Lestov16
It's like Thors hammer, only it was built out of Odin's pathological hatred of watermelons.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Lestov16
He has zilch way to put down Superman, who outclassed him in every category except size. His building-cutting heat vision alone would definitely slice into if not fully dismember Godzilla. His strength and speed will make his blows feel like effective bullets to Godzilla. Kal 4TW Based on ?

Lestov16
Have you seen Godzilla or MOS?

quanchi112
Originally posted by Lestov16
Have you seen Godzilla or MOS? Yes, that's why I can't for the life of me come up with anything you proclaim as a fact.

ShadowFyre
Lol Godzillas mere weight is multiples of what MOS has ever been shown to lift. MOS has the potential to beat this incarnation of Gojira but he isn't in the same league when it comes to strength yet.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Lestov16
Yes he is. And he's correct too, unless you have a screenfeat of an Avenger who can generate kilotons of energy. You don't though, so just stop.

Originally posted by Lestov16
He has zilch way to put down Superman, who outclassed him in every category except size. His building-cutting heat vision alone would definitely slice into if not fully dismember Godzilla. His strength and speed will make his blows feel like effective bullets to Godzilla. Kal 4TW Hypocrite thy name is Lestov who uses self serving logic and changes tactics from thread to thread.

Werewolf582
Superman could beat any of the avengers one on one but not all together.

Superman gets stomped by Godzilla to.

DrDeadpool
Originally posted by Werewolf582
Superman could beat any of the avengers one on one but not all together.

Superman gets stomped by Godzilla to.

This.

Zack Fair
Disagreed.

Cap, Black Window and Hawkeye do nothing. Then its Thor, Hulk and Iron Man. Iron man gets wrecked 2 seconds into the fight. Then its Thor and Hulk vs Superman. His speed and maneuverability are enough to warrant victory. Not to mention that by the end of MoS Kal has experience fighting Hulk-like beings in a handicap match. He will probably separate the two of them like he did Nam-Ek and Faora.

My 2 cents though.

Time Immemorial
This
Originally posted by Zack Fair
Disagreed.

Cap, Black Window and Hawkeye do nothing. Then its Thor, Hulk and Iron Man. Iron man gets wrecked 2 seconds into the fight. Then its Thor and Hulk vs Superman. His speed and maneuverability are enough to warrant victory. Not to mention that by the end of MoS Kal has experience fighting Hulk-like beings in a handicap match. He will probably separate the two of them like he did Nam-Ek and Faora.

My 2 cents though.


Not that
Originally posted by Werewolf582
Superman could beat any of the avengers one on one but not all together.

Superman gets stomped by Godzilla to.

DrDeadpool
Originally posted by Zack Fair
Disagreed.

Cap, Black Window and Hawkeye do nothing. Then its Thor, Hulk and Iron Man. Iron man gets wrecked 2 seconds into the fight. Then its Thor and Hulk vs Superman. His speed and maneuverability are enough to warrant victory. Not to mention that by the end of MoS Kal has experience fighting Hulk-like beings in a handicap match. He will probably separate the two of them like he did Nam-Ek and Faora.

My 2 cents though.

OK I make an Avengers vs Superman thread smile

Time Immemorial
Originally posted by DrDeadpool
OK I make an Avengers vs Superman thread smile

Been done, Superman won.

God Cloth Seiya
Originally posted by DrDeadpool
OK I make an Avengers vs Superman thread smile No balls, you won't do it.

Zack Fair
Originally posted by DrDeadpool
OK I make an Avengers vs Superman thread smile There are like 2 or 3 threads like that. Made by yours truly awesome

Dramatic Gecko
Has this thread been made yet?

http://www.standbyformindcontrol.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/zod-vs-zod.jpg

Dramatic Gecko
Haven't seen the movie yet, but I think Godzilla wins out of MOS struggling to hold a steel wall from the oil rig.

Time Immemorial
Originally posted by Dramatic Gecko
Haven't seen the movie yet, but I think Godzilla wins out of MOS struggling to hold a steel wall from the oil rig.

Are you stupid? Apparently you didn't watch MOS either.

Dramatic Gecko
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Are you stupid? Apparently you didn't watch MOS either.

Are you stupid? Missiles were actually bothering Kryptonians. MOS is possibly the weakest Superman ever.

Time Immemorial
Originally posted by Dramatic Gecko
Are you stupid? Missiles were actually bothering Kryptonians. MOS is possibly the weakest Superman ever.

The steel frame of the building gave way he held it just fine and saved the workers and helicopter.

The missile KO'd her from her sensory overload.

Missiles bothered Reeves Superman big time.

Go watch's the movie before you say stupid things and baseless claims druggie.

Lestov16
Originally posted by quanchi112
Hypocrite thy name is Lestov who uses self serving logic and changes tactics from thread to thread.

Superman can probably race around Earth to generate enough speed and momentum to rival the kinetic energy of a petaton blast if necessary.

Dramatic Gecko
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
The steel frame of the building gave way he held it just fine and saved the workers and helicopter.

The missile KO'd her from her sensory overload.

Missiles bothered Reeves Superman big time.

Go watch's the movie before you say stupid things and baseless claims druggie.

Wow. You must of actually liked that poor excuse for a movie. And when exactly did Christopher Reeve Superman ever get bothered by missiles? If its in S3 or S4 it doesn't count. I'll agree to the suit KO but everyone has to admit we was hard-pressed for that oil rig which pales in comparison to the mini continent (infused with kryptonite) that even Rauthman could lift.

And I watched the movie. I tell you that Zach Snyder or whatever that guys name is really needs to learn to make films.

Dramatic Gecko
Originally posted by Lestov16
Superman can probably race around Earth to generate enough speed and momentum to rival the kinetic energy of a petaton blast if necessary.

It would take him too long before Godzilla does serious damage. But MOS superman that isn't much of a concern for him. So yeah eh could knock Godzilla over with that. Constant heat vision on the point of entrance could maybe let him burst through him. But haven't seen Godzilla so not sure on durability.

Now imagine reeveman going around the world a few times before WHAM!!!! Godzilla stew.

Lestov16
You think Kal is too weak to hold up an oil rig when another Kryptonian was able to launch part of a train so hard that slid through several buildings after impact? Also note that when he hit that train initially, the entire thing collapsed. And he was fine afterward. Godzilla and the MCU have no chance.

EDIT: Whoa WTF? You haven't seen Godzilla yet? What version of Godzilla are you debating, and how did you not see the clear 2014 in the thread title? And don't blame it on the bud.

Time Immemorial
Originally posted by Dramatic Gecko
Wow. You must of actually liked that poor excuse for a movie. And when exactly did Christopher Reeve Superman ever get bothered by missiles? If its in S3 or S4 it doesn't count. I'll agree to the suit KO but everyone has to admit we was hard-pressed for that oil rig which pales in comparison to the mini continent (infused with kryptonite) that even Rauthman could lift.

And I watched the movie. I tell you that Zach Snyder or whatever that guys name is really needs to learn to make films.

Actually all movie feats do count, you can't ignore some and use others if your gonna make that claim. You apparently did not watch the movie if you cannot tell the difference between holding a tower and the ground giving way underneath you and the whole thing collapsing.

Explain what weakness you are talking about because the movies I watched, Superman had to take away Zod's powers. In MoS he took them all on in and killed Zod himself.

Time Immemorial
If you want a movie based of boring lift feats and corny acting, stick to Superman 1-4 and Returns.

Dramatic Gecko
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Actually all movie feats do count, you can't ignore some and use others if your gonna make that claim. You apparently did not watch the movie if you cannot tell the difference between holding a tower and the ground giving way underneath you and the whole thing collapsing.

Explain what weakness you are talking about because the movies I watched, Superman had to take away Zod's powers. In MoS he took them all on in and killed Zod himself.

So you are telling me: If lets say... you were arguing for Reeveman in a debate. And someone used the Superman 3 computer fight to low ball. That would count?


Hey Reeveman was stronger but so was Zod and his two goons. MOS was fighting them with an extreme home advantage.

So do you think MOS could lift a small continent/large island? And then throw it into space.

Like I said I haven't seen Godzilla (give me a break I don't think its even in cinema yet in AUS, haven't been to town recently) so I could be wrong about him winning. Also the train feat Lestov mentioned has reminded me that they are quite strong. But nothing to convince me they are stronger than Reeveman.

Dramatic Gecko
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
If you want a movie based of boring lift feats and corny acting, stick to Superman 1-4 and Returns.

3,4 and returns did stink. But Returns have some nice... utterly overpowered (with the eye, 50 calibre machine guns and lifting) It was all pretty much a movie in all the creative ways he could stop people from dying. And you know... actually saving lives. (no serious MOS must of killed like a hundred people when he was flying through buildings.)

1 and 2 were awesome though. It is undisputable. But you are welcome to try.

Robtard
Originally posted by Dramatic Gecko
Has this thread been made yet?

http://www.standbyformindcontrol.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/zod-vs-zod.jpg

Terence Zod stamps all over his ass.

Lestov16
Also, IIRC, didn't Kal's heat vision cut through Zod's ship? That's extraterrestrial metal right there. Not exactly sure Godzilla is as durable as that.

Robtard
Yeah, he did. Kryptonian metal is extremely durable from showings, as the battle-suits took a serious beating and sustained virtually no damage barring the face-screens.

Time Immemorial
Originally posted by Dramatic Gecko
So you are telling me: If lets say... you were arguing for Reeveman in a debate. And someone used the Superman 3 computer fight to low ball. That would count?


Hey Reeveman was stronger but so was Zod and his two goons. MOS was fighting them with an extreme home advantage.

So do you think MOS could lift a small continent/large island? And then throw it into space.

Like I said I haven't seen Godzilla (give me a break I don't think its even in cinema yet in AUS, haven't been to town recently) so I could be wrong about him winning. Also the train feat Lestov mentioned has reminded me that they are quite strong. But nothing to convince me they are stronger than Reeveman.

You tried low balled with the oil rig scene and ignored the context of the whole point of Jor El telling him to push himself to see how far he could go. He spent a lifetime of hiding his powers from himself and the public. He clearly held the tower untill the heli was out of the way, ground gave way and he knew he had no where to go, so he sacrificed himself for the greater good.

Could he lift a Entire Island? I don't know and don't care. If it was written in the story for him too, then yes. If not, then no. He accepts the challenges as they present themselves. Thats like saying could Thor or Hulk lift and island? Does it really matter? Lol this was reboot from scratch, Routh was at the height of his power and had all of them. Writers are not going to show MoS learning to fly and then 30 minutes later lifting island. There was no island to lift. I swear that island lift leads to the biggest wank session in history.

Lestov16
Not to mention how easily Zod broke through it. I liked the movie, but I am not liking Godzilla's chances here.

Lestov16
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
You tried low balled with the oil rig scene and ignored the context of the whole point of Jor El telling him to push himself to see how far he could go. He spent a lifetime of hiding his powers from himself and the public. He clearly held the tower untill the heli was out of the way, ground gave way and he knew he had no where to go, so he sacrificed himself for the greater good.

Could he lift a Entire Island? I don't know and don't care. If it was written in the story for him too, then yes. If not, then no. He accepts the challenges as they present themselves. Thats like saying could Thor or Hulk lift and island? Does it really matter? Lol this was reboot from scratch, Routh was at the height of his power and had all of them. Writers are not going to show MoS learning to fly and then 30 minutes later lifting island. There was no island to lift. I swear that island lift leads to the biggest wank session in history.

Are we really arguing if MOS is in continuity with the prior Superman films? Are you phucking kidding?

Dramatic Gecko
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
You tried low balled with the oil rig scene and ignored the context of the whole point of Jor El telling him to push himself to see how far he could go. He spent a lifetime of hiding his powers from himself and the public. He clearly held the tower untill the heli was out of the way, ground gave way and he knew he had no where to go, so he sacrificed himself for the greater good.

Could he lift a Entire Island? I don't know and don't care. If it was written in the story for him too, then yes. If not, then no. He accepts the challenges as they present themselves. Thats like saying could Thor or Hulk lift and island? Does it really matter? Lol this was reboot from scratch, Routh was at the height of his power and had all of them. Writers are not going to show MoS learning to fly and then 30 minutes later lifting island. There was no island to lift. I swear that island lift leads to the biggest wank session in history.

That was the biggest avoidance of 'could he lift the island?',

"if it was written in the story yes, if not no."

http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130914014906/creepypasta/images/7/73/You_don't_say_meme.jpg

It is really quite simple, at the max power we see MOS at, could he lift the Island? Probably not.

And calling a feat a wank session doesn't make it any less valid... or impressive.

Dramatic Gecko
Originally posted by Lestov16
Are we really arguing if MOS is in continuity with the prior Superman films? Are you phucking kidding?

I thought we were arguing who was stronger between Reeve/Rauth and MOS.

Time Immemorial
Originally posted by Dramatic Gecko
I thought we were arguing who was stronger between Reeve/Rauth and MOS.

No it was Godzilla vs Superman and you never saw Godzilla and tried the low ball oil rig scene.

And its spelled "Routh"

Figured you would have known that since you saw the movie.

Dramatic Gecko
In my defence he isn't a very memorable Superman. I'll give the MOS this in his credit, he was an all right actor and looked the part... he just had the shittest director possible.

Time Immemorial
Originally posted by Dramatic Gecko
In my defence he isn't a very memorable Superman. I'll give the MOS this in his credit, he was an all right actor and looked the part... he just had the shittest director possible.

smile

Reflassshh
Bumpity bump.

KuRuPT Thanosi
Originally posted by Lestov16
Superman tanked the World Engine. Don't see Godzilla doing anything to him.

I seriously don't understand why this world engine feat gets wanked so much, it really wasn't that impressive. Tanking Godzilla's atomic breath would be more impressive than the world engine feat.

KuRuPT Thanosi
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
The steel frame of the building gave way he held it just fine and saved the workers and helicopter.

The missile KO'd her from her sensory overload.

Missiles bothered Reeves Superman big time.

Go watch's the movie before you say stupid things and baseless claims druggie.

Huh? We literally see Machine Gun fire (obviously a high caliber) from planes knock back and down Nom... we see it knock back superman. Yet Atomic breath isn't going to do anything to him? Nah, no way bud.

Also, Superman was temp. KO'd by Nom and left lying on the ground not moving at one point. He was also KO'd by the falling Oil Rig. Again, Godzilla can produce more force than that.

Star428
LOL. Superman 1 and 2 were both awesome movies. Way better than the recent MoS movie. Though that was a pretty good one too. And I don't understand why Returns gets all this hate. I loved it. Only Superman films that were lacking, imo, were Superman 3 and 4. But, even those had some good moments. Especially 3.



I still enjoy watching all the Christopher Reeves movies to this day.

KuRuPT Thanosi
No. 3 was pretty retarded really and I can really support it all that much. No. 4 I thought was better than 3 but worse than the other 2 obvi.

Star428
I actually liked certain parts of 3 a lot. Especially the fight between bad Superman and good Clark. The best thing I liked about 4 was Mariel Hemingway. big grin

relentless1
Supes is strong enough to handle KOing Godzilla, ill even go as far as to say that he'd tank Zillas nuke breath

Reflassshh
Based on what?

Godzilla tanked various nukes and was only damaged by building sized claws. As far as I know, Superman didn't have those in the movie, am I wrong?

Time Immemorial
Originally posted by Reflassshh
Based on what?

Godzilla tanked various nukes and was only damaged by building sized claws. As far as I know, Superman didn't have those in the movie, am I wrong?

Nuke breath isn't stronger then WE beam.

Reflassshh
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Nuke breath isn't stronger then WE beam. Different kind of damage imo.

Time Immemorial
Originally posted by Reflassshh
Different kind of damage imo.

Looking at tech though Kryptonian tech, world engine vs man made nukes..if Godzilla could shrug them off, seems to me advanced alien could as well. Just my opinion.

Reflassshh
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Looking at tech though Kryptonian tech, world engine vs man made nukes..if Godzilla could shrug them off, seems to me advanced alien could as well. Just my opinion. I was talking about the Atomic breath vs World engine.

If someone uses a fire hose to attack you, you may be able to power through the water's push due to your strength. However, if someone attacks you with a flamethrower, it will surely hurt -if not outright kill- you.

What I'm saying is that as of now Superman lacks the feats to say he would tank it 100% for sure.

Time Immemorial
I guess I disagree, the only thing to seem to hurt him or slow him down was his own people or tech. Honestly I didn't find that atomic breath to be that impressive.

Reflassshh
The mutos no-sold everything thrown at them but the atomic breath, that must count for something.

Anyway, there's a massive difference in speed, it's a stalemate imo.

KuRuPT Thanosi
I also don't get why people think Superman could've lifted part of that Oil rig without any issue and blame the beam giving way for why he failed. First, it was never shown that the beam totally gave way and that's why it fall. Second, he was visibly and clearly struggling to support the weight and that has NOTHING to do with the support beam. Getting KO'd by it made it even worse. As I said before, I don't get why people wank the world engine feat and really impressive. It wasn't really, it was totally meh imo.

juggerman
The World Engine feat was far and away above what it would take to lift the rig. He was clearly a nood with his power at that point. Later he was shown to improve all around. Why people wank the rig like this was his limit even later is ridiculous

KuRuPT Thanosi
Never said it was his limit, at no place did I state that. I'm fully aware he got used to his powers more later. The point is, there is NOTHING to suggest the beam gave out before he did. Let's say it didn't break, Supes wasn't going to hold that up regardless and that was painful obvious.

The world engine feat was meh... Godzilla tanking Nukes is far more impressive. The gravitational forces were meh that superman overcame. The were barely destroying parts of buildings at a time and SLOWLY expanding outwards. Nukes level cities in one shot and easily. Jesus, LL wasn't even sucked into the gravitational beam. The other world engine was slightly more impressive because of the environment being changed. Again though, that was more of a flight feat than a strength one.

Mindship
Imo, Superman wins.

-- He's waayyy too fast for Godzilla to tag, even with atomic breath (which, btw, clearly telegraphs when it's coming). And even if it hit him, to effect him it would have to be at least as strong as the World Engine beam. No clear indication it was.

-- Godzilla can handle a nuke detonated right next to him. Ok. But keep in mind that 1) it was a Hiroshima-scale nuke (15-20 kilotons); 2) because a blast radiates spherically, Godzilla gets far less than half the total blast energy; he only gets the part his body intercepts; and 3) the power of a nuke is flash-quick. This is why some people can withstand a lightning strike, though lightning is typically 5x hotter than the surface of the sun. All in all, Godzilla withstanding an old-style nuke(s) is not as impressive as it first appears.

That said, I wonder how Godzilla's hide, brain and other organs would stand up to a stronger-than-steel, faster-than-sound projectile piercing his body (or simply zooming down his throat), with sustained heat vision (hot enough to vaporize a steel beam in a second) severing key arteries and nerves.

A movie could make this into a fight, sure. But I really don't see how Godzilla would take this w/o some super-PIS/CIS. At best, the KOTM might be very tough to put down, fighting with heart, and at some point, Superman may lose heart in wanting to kill it.

KuRuPT Thanosi
Originally posted by Mindship
Imo, Superman wins.

-- He's waayyy too fast for Godzilla to tag, even with atomic breath (which, btw, clearly telegraphs when it's coming). And even if it hit him, to effect him it would have to be at least as strong as the World Engine beam. No clear indication it was.

-- Godzilla can handle a nuke detonated right next to him. Ok. But keep in mind that 1) it was a Hiroshima-scale nuke (15-20 kilotons); 2) because a blast radiates spherically, Godzilla gets far less than half the total blast energy; he only gets the part his body intercepts; and 3) the power of a nuke is flash-quick. This is why some people can withstand a lightning strike, though lightning is typically 5x hotter than the surface of the sun. All in all, Godzilla withstanding an old-style nuke(s) is not as impressive as it first appears.

That said, I wonder how Godzilla's hide, brain and other organs would stand up to a stronger-than-steel, faster-than-sound projectile piercing his body (or simply zooming down his throat), with sustained heat vision (hot enough to vaporize a steel beam in a second) severing key arteries and nerves.

A movie could make this into a fight, sure. But I really don't see how Godzilla would take this w/o some super-PIS/CIS. At best, the KOTM might be very tough to put down, fighting with heart, and at some point, Superman may lose heart in wanting to kill it.

Actually the bomb in Godzilla I believe was stated to be more powerful than the Hiroshima blast. Second, Godzilla was at ground zero of attack. What you are saying would apply to things not at ground zero and on the outskirts of the initial blast center. This doesn't apply when Godzilla LITERALLY has the bomb go off right next to him.

Superman and the Kryptonians were knocked back by conventional plane fire from a high caliber gun. Nom was sent flying and briefly stunned. Kal was knocked back by it. Kal was also KO'd by the Oil rig and Nom for a brief period. Those things are WELL WELL below Godzilla's atomic breath. The MUTO's were literally LAUGHING off everything we threw at them... The Kryptonians couldn't say the same. Yet, Godzilla's atomic breath did the trick.

Look at the concussive damage the punches being thrown in the small town were doing i.e. next to nothing. Very little was destroyed and the impact had very little concussive force. That is in start contrasts to the Nuke and what it's capable of. No way those punches even come close to delivering the same type of power. Even superman's HV did very little damage at all. It was okay but nothing in the league of A.B.

Godzilla may not be able to hit Kal.. but if he does he would put him down... after all he was put down by much much less

NemeBro
Superman weighs like two hundred pounds.

Of course high-powered ballistics can knock him back. That doesn't mean they can hurt him. No military weapon was able to hurt a Kryptonian in MoS.

The oil rig scene similarly didn't actually harm Clark in any meaningful way, and that was before he unlocked his full potential. Withstanding the destruction of the World Engine (as well as its pulse) far outstrips the oil rig.

Superman could literally fly into Godzilla's eyelids and punch Godzilla in the brain before it processed a thought, lol. Imagine trying to catch a fly, only this fly can move thousands of times faster than the speed of sound and punch you in the medulla oblongata (I think I spelled that wrong).

KuRuPT Thanosi
Originally posted by NemeBro
Superman weighs like two hundred pounds.

Of course high-powered ballistics can knock him back. That doesn't mean they can hurt him. No military weapon was able to hurt a Kryptonian in MoS.

The oil rig scene similarly didn't actually harm Clark in any meaningful way, and that was before he unlocked his full potential. Withstanding the destruction of the World Engine (as well as its pulse) far outstrips the oil rig.

Superman could literally fly into Godzilla's eyelids and punch Godzilla in the brain before it processed a thought, lol. Imagine trying to catch a fly, only this fly can move thousands of times faster than the speed of sound and punch you in the medulla oblongata (I think I spelled that wrong).

Of course it harmed them... Nam was thrown back and momentarily dazed by it. It clearly had some effect. Now Imagine what atomic breath would do? It doesn't matter if Kal sustained any significant damage after the oil rig or not.. he was KO'd plain and simple. Him trying new things with his powers doesn't increase his durability. You don't unlock durability. Jor-El plainly stated the earth sun was the reason for his super durability, not him unlocking anything.

Point is, the world engine feat was nothing impressive in the least. It was doing 1/100000 what a Nuke would do in 2 seconds. It wasn't impressive and more of a flight feat anyways. Not strength, but durability and flight.

juggerman
His durability clearly increased later in the film. Zod was punching the snot outta him and couldn't KO him. Again: there is no reason to believe the oil rig is the standard when he's endured much more late

NemeBro
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Of course it harmed them... Nam was thrown back and momentarily dazed by it. It clearly had some effect. Now Imagine what atomic breath would do? It doesn't matter if Kal sustained any significant damage after the oil rig or not.. he was KO'd plain and simple. Him trying new things with his powers doesn't increase his durability. You don't unlock durability. Jor-El plainly stated the earth sun was the reason for his super durability, not him unlocking anything.

Point is, the world engine feat was nothing impressive in the least. It was doing 1/100000 what a Nuke would do in 2 seconds. It wasn't impressive and more of a flight feat anyways. Not strength, but durability and flight. Nam is made of helium, it's a wonder he can maintain his footing on the ground.

Momentarily dazed =/= injured.

It was more impressive than an oil rig falling on him. So was his fight with Zod. thumb up

It doesn't matter that Godzilla is more durable or powerful than Superman. Superman will just punch him in the brain. thumb up

KuRuPT Thanosi
Originally posted by juggerman
His durability clearly increased later in the film. Zod was punching the snot outta him and couldn't KO him. Again: there is no reason to believe the oil rig is the standard when he's endured much more late

Not really bud, there's nothing to believe his durability increased just because he was testing his limits. That really wouldn't be the case as we know it was the prolonged exposure to the sun that made him so durable. He didn't just exponentially increase his durability with a few days or even weeks of exposure before Zod shows up. Not possible.

KuRuPT Thanosi
Originally posted by NemeBro
Nam is made of helium, it's a wonder he can maintain his footing on the ground.

Momentarily dazed =/= injured.

It was more impressive than an oil rig falling on him. So was his fight with Zod. thumb up

It doesn't matter that Godzilla is more durable or powerful than Superman. Superman will just punch him in the brain. thumb up

Point is, conventional weapons from earth moved them and dazed them. Period. Atomic breathe would be devastating. That's the point, he's been injured or KO'd by less is the point. It absolutely matters that Godzilla has a more powerful attack and is more durable. Sorry bud, that very much matters.

juggerman
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Not really bud, there's nothing to believe his durability increased just because he was testing his limits. That really wouldn't be the case as we know it was the prolonged exposure to the sun that made him so durable. He didn't just exponentially increase his durability with a few days or even weeks of exposure before Zod shows up. Not possible.

There is nothing in the film that shows the longer you are exposed to the sun means the more powerful you get. Yes that's a part of Superman lore in the comics, but in this movie, Zod and company got powers right away and were right on Kal's level. The only thing the film does give is it that the only way Kal will know his limits is to test himself. Not, "the longer you are in the sunlight, the stronger you'll become"

NemeBro
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Point is, conventional weapons from earth moved them and dazed them. Period. Atomic breathe would be devastating. That's the point, he's been injured or KO'd by less is the point. It absolutely matters that Godzilla has a more powerful attack and is more durable. Sorry bud, that very much matters. Atomic breath might indeed be devastating.

It doesn't matter. Godzilla will never hit Superman. thumb up

KuRuPT Thanosi
Originally posted by juggerman
There is nothing in the film that shows the longer you are exposed to the sun means the more powerful you get. Yes that's a part of Superman lore in the comics, but in this movie, Zod and company got powers right away and were right on Kal's level. The only thing the film does give is it that the only way Kal will know his limits is to test himself. Not, "the longer you are in the sunlight, the stronger you'll become"

totally untrue.. Simply watch this clip big Juggs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlINHSnUx9k

He literally says that the sun is younger and brighter than Krypton... Your cells have drunken it's radiation strengthened your muscles.. your skin.. He literally states this.

As far as Zod and them matching him with less exposure.. you're preaching to the choir there buddy. I feel the same way on that note. I've argued for pages after pages that Zod and company outperformed Kal with far less exposure. They did, but that doesn't mean that the sun wasn't responsible for Kal's durability. It was. It had nothing to do with testing his limits.

juggerman
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
totally untrue.. Simply watch this clip big Juggs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlINHSnUx9k

He literally says that the sun is younger and brighter than Krypton... Your cells have drunken it's radiation strengthened your muscles.. your skin.. He literally states this.

As far as Zod and them matching him with less exposure.. you're preaching to the choir there buddy. I feel the same way on that note. I've argued for pages after pages that Zod and company outperformed Kal with far less exposure. They did, but that doesn't mean that the sun wasn't responsible for Kal's durability. It was. It had nothing to do with testing his limits.

You misunderstood what I was saying. I wasn't saying the sun had nothing to due with his durability in general. I was saying his durability increased from the beginning of the film not from longer exposure to the sun, but from him pushing himself.

Nibedicus
How would "pushing oneself" increase one's durability, tho. Durability is more of a passive ability than something you increase just cuz you're pushing yourself.

If anything pushing oneself would have an inverse effect on durability as it increases the stresses inflicted on the body.

Maybe you're thinking of his resistance to KO improving because he was greatly motivated not to lose?

juggerman
I'm not saying it makes sense. We are talking about an alien with powers that defy logic. But it's clear that pretty much everything about him got better after his talk with his father.

Also I don't agree he was KO'd by the oil rig

Nibedicus
Originally posted by juggerman
I'm not saying it makes sense. We are talking about an alien with powers that defy logic. But it's clear that pretty much everything about him got better after his talk with his father.

Also I don't agree he was KO'd by the oil rig

Well, I can understand active powers (strength, speed, hv intensity, flight, control of senses, etc.) improving when you push yourself/get more motivated/more disciplined with his powers. Durability just isn't one of those powers that improve when one pushes oneself IMO.

I had more of a sense of "incapacitated via exhaustion as well as injury" in the oil rig scene than simply plain "KO by force", tbh.

juggerman
I see what you are saying. Endurance then

Nibedicus
Works for me thumb up

KuRuPT Thanosi
Originally posted by juggerman
You misunderstood what I was saying. I wasn't saying the sun had nothing to due with his durability in general. I was saying his durability increased from the beginning of the film not from longer exposure to the sun, but from him pushing himself.

No I understood you buddy, but that isn't how it works. There is nothing stated that testing himself increases his durability. We see Jor-El tell us EXACTLY where he gets his durability and strength from. Which mirrors comics where he doesn't get more durable because he tests himself. Just like anything else, if you're more motivated you can accomplish more than you're not. More drive.. more energy.. more will power can all make you perform past expectation including tanking more. However, that doesn't mean he became more durable by trying harder. Far from it.

Robtard
Originally posted by Robtard
Blind's Godzilla with heat-vision, then turns his own body into a missile. /thread

This guy pwned the thread on page one thumb up

juggerman
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
No I understood you buddy, but that isn't how it works. There is nothing stated that testing himself increases his durability. We see Jor-El tell us EXACTLY where he gets his durability and strength from. Which mirrors comics where he doesn't get more durable because he tests himself. Just like anything else, if you're more motivated you can accomplish more than you're not. More drive.. more energy.. more will power can all make you perform past expectation including tanking more. However, that doesn't mean he became more durable by trying harder. Far from it.

He also told him where he got his strength from. He still got stronger.

KuRuPT Thanosi
Originally posted by Robtard
This guy pwned the thread on page one thumb up

Godzilla could still see fine after the point blank nuke blast.. So considering how powerful heat vision was shown in the we can be assured it will do nothing to him. Besides if he decides to do that.. it would take a sustained beam for a little bit to accomplish anything if it even could. That would give Godzilla a damn good marker where Supes is at wouldn't it. We all know Supes couldn't tank the atomic breathe considering what KO'd him in the movie. Game over

Robtard
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Godzilla could still see fine after the point blank nuke blast.. So considering how powerful heat vision was shown in the we can be assured it will do nothing to him. Besides if he decides to do that.. it would take a sustained beam for a little bit to accomplish anything if it even could. That would give Godzilla a damn good marker where Supes is at wouldn't it. We all know Supes couldn't tank the atomic breathe considering what KO'd him in the movie. Game over

Only seen that film once, but the beginning of the film? Cos Godzilla was underwater for that.

Anyhow, nuke-breath would never hit Superman as Superman would be like an incredibly fast moving bullet to Godzilla and Superman could use himself to dome Godzilla from the top, sides or rear and there's nothing Godzilla could do to stop Superman.

But pretending that Godzilla could hit Superman with the breath, it likely wouldn't put him down. Superman stood under the world engine and survived. He survived smashing into it and the explosion that followed. His body withstood the gravitational pull of an artificial black hole (we see the pull distorting him). But I have a feeling you'll just do what you did before but it doesn't matter, as the breath is a virtually a non-factor in this fight.

Silent Master
Originally posted by Robtard
Blind's Godzilla with heat-vision, then turns his own body into a missile. /thread

IOW, copying the move Thor used in his first movie. thumb up

Thor >>> Superman in fighting skills. smile

Reflassshh
That post really adds to the discussion at hand, silent master. Keep it up thumb up

Robtard
Originally posted by Silent Master
IOW, copying the move Thor used in his first movie. thumb up

Thor >>> Superman in fighting skills. smile

Thor's trained since childhood to be a fighter. Kal was taught by his father not to strike back and was never in a fight up until the time he fought Zod and crew. So I would hope that Thor is indeed the more skilled fighter.

Kal would still break him in half though in a fight smile

Silent Master
Originally posted by Robtard
Thor's trained since childhood to be a fighter. Kal was taught by his father not to strike back and was never in a fight up until the time he fought Zod and crew. So I would hope that Thor is indeed the more skilled fighter.

Kal would still break him in half though in a fight smile


Well, given the number of deaths Kal is responsible for, I could see Thor believing him to be a villain and attacking. but it's more likely that Thor sees how bad Kal's skills are and decides to take Supes under his wing in order to rectify the situation. smile

KuRuPT Thanosi
Originally posted by Robtard
Only seen that film once, but the beginning of the film? Cos Godzilla was underwater for that.

Anyhow, nuke-breath would never hit Superman as Superman would be like an incredibly fast moving bullet to Godzilla and Superman could use himself to dome Godzilla from the top, sides or rear and there's nothing Godzilla could do to stop Superman.

But pretending that Godzilla could hit Superman with the breath, it likely wouldn't put him down. Superman stood under the world engine and survived. He survived smashing into it and the explosion that followed. His body withstood the gravitational pull of an artificial black hole (we see the pull distorting him). But I have a feeling you'll just do what you did before but it doesn't matter, as the breath is a virtually a non-factor in this fight.

When they dropped it he was just coming out of the water when it detonated. He was point blank and could see just fine. IF this was comic book HV, sure, he has showings that could validate your strategy. However, since it's MOS HV... it will do nothing to him.

I'll admit that Godzilla would have a hard time tagging Superman, three's no doubt about that. That's is why it's tough to see how this fight would play out. Kal-El seemed to like to mix it up with people and try brute physical force with them. That is how he fought all people.. I never saw any elaborate strategy at any point in the movie. So it's in character for him to meet Godzilla head on, which would be a big mistake.

Robtard
Originally posted by Silent Master
Well, given the number of deaths Kal is responsible for, I could see Thor believing him to be a villain and attacking. but it's more likely that Thor sees how bad Kal's skills are and decides to take Supes under his wing in order to rectify the situation. smile

Thor is a dumb blonde so I could see him making that mistake, even if it is a somewhat honest one. But if Thor attacks, Kal would snap his neck.

Robtard
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
When they dropped it he was just coming out of the water when it detonated. He was point blank and could see just fine. IF this was comic book HV, sure, he has showings that could validate your strategy. However, since it's MOS HV... it will do nothing to him.

I'll admit that Godzilla would have a hard time tagging Superman, three's no doubt about that. That's is why it's tough to see how this fight would play out. Kal-El seemed to like to mix it up with people and try brute physical force with them. That is how he fought all people.. I never saw any elaborate strategy at any point in the movie. So it's in character for him to meet Godzilla head on, which would be a big mistake.

I recall seeing Godzilla's back rise out of the water and then the bomb went off. I don't recall seeing Godzilla "see" after. This is the black and white archived footage, yeah?

Next to impossible time hitting Superman and he'd just get domed by a small super-fast object that would hit him from the rear or top. Even if Superman flew right at Godzilla's eyes, Godzilla likely could react fast enough before 'her' brain gets turned into soup. This thread isn't much of a match at all.

KuRuPT Thanosi
Originally posted by Robtard
I recall seeing Godzilla's back rise out of the water and then the bomb went off. I don't recall seeing Godzilla "see" after. This is the black and white archived footage, yeah?

Next to impossible time hitting Superman and he'd just get domed by a small super-fast object that would hit him from the rear or top. Even if Superman flew right at Godzilla's eyes, Godzilla likely could react fast enough before 'her' brain gets turned into soup. This thread isn't much of a match at all.

Actually, these matchups where one guy is more powerful and durable than another are usually called spite. However, in this case you're arguing that the inferior guy wins, which is quite unusual. Right his back was coming out of the water i.e. he was at ground zero of the detonation.. as were his eyes... we see no eye issue anytime after the nuke... so why would we say it caused it harm. Absence of proof isn't proof. If nothing is show we assume his eyes were just fine, and the rest of the movie backs that up. Point is, if a nuke point blank did nothing to him... Superman MOS hv isn' doing anything.

Robtard
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Actually, these matchups where one guy is more powerful and durable than another are usually called spite. However, in this case you're arguing that the inferior guy wins, which is quite unusual. Right his back was coming out of the water i.e. he was at ground zero of the detonation.. as were his eyes... we see no eye issue anytime after the nuke... so why would we say it caused it harm. Absence of proof isn't proof. If nothing is show we assume his eyes were just fine, and the rest of the movie backs that up. Point is, if a nuke point blank did nothing to him... Superman MOS hv isn' doing anything.

Post the vid then if you're so sure.

You avoided the rest, lets me know you know that Godzilla can't stop Superman from using his own body as a missile and taking out Godzilla that way. Another glorious MVF win for Superman thumb up

KuRuPT Thanosi
You know the video.. you've seen it... you even reference it. So are you claiming he had a eye issue after the blast?

I don't believe him making himself into a myself would break Godzilla's hide to be honest.

Robtard
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
You know the video.. you've seen it... you even reference it. So are you claiming he had a eye issue after the blast?

I don't believe him making himself into a myself would break Godzilla's hide to be honest.

So no video. Gotcha.

Because?

KuRuPT Thanosi
Are you claiming there was an eye issue after the blast? If so post the evidence of this.

Because Godzilla's hide took shots from MUTO's with much more weight and power behind them and I hide seemed to hold up okay

Robtard
I don't recall seeing Godzilla's eyes after the blast, as I said, I've seen the film once. So post the vid and we shall see if you're correct.

Godzilla was being hurt by those attacks. Why he crashed and needed to recoup after the fight. There's also that thing about an object with a small surface area moving at incredibly high speeds.

KuRuPT Thanosi
Originally posted by Robtard
I don't recall seeing Godzilla's eyes after the blast, as I said, I've seen the film once. So post the vid and we shall see if you're correct.

Godzilla was being hurt by those attacks. Why he crashed and needed to recoup after the fight. There's also that thing about an object with a small surface area moving at incredibly high speeds.

They don't show his eyes afterwards... Which is the point. There's NOTHING to suggest they were damage at all by the blast. You can't claim something we have no evidence of. On the contrary I can claim his eyes were just fine, because they are normally fine unless shown otherwise. We see nothing otherwise and we see nothing later on when we can see his eyes and nothing was reported via dialogue about his eyes being damaged. Thus, we have to assume they were just fine.

Robtard
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
They don't show his eyes afterwards... Which is the point. There's NOTHING to suggest they were damage at all by the blast. You can't claim something we have no evidence of. On the contrary I can claim his eyes were just fine, because they are normally fine unless shown otherwise. We see nothing otherwise and we see nothing later on when we can see his eyes and nothing was reported via dialogue about his eyes being damaged. Thus, we have to assume they were just fine.

So your theory is that Superman's HV wouldn't harm Godzilla's eyes because we didn't specifically see a nuke not harm them? laughing out loud That's an odd way of approaching things

BTW, the time we see Godzilla being mostly underwater and surviving an atom bomb is what, 60ish years from the first time we see Godzilla in full? Think about that.

Anyhow, keep your silly HV immunity theory, doesn't really matter. Godzilla can't hit Superman and Superman need only dome 'her' with his body.

BlackZero30x
....this has gone on for seven pages? lol

Superman flys through Godzillas brain.

Fin.

KuRuPT Thanosi
Originally posted by Robtard
So your theory is that Superman's HV wouldn't harm Godzilla's eyes because we didn't specifically see a nuke not harm them? laughing out loud That's an odd way of approaching things

BTW, the time we see Godzilla being mostly underwater and surviving an atom bomb is what, 60ish years from the first time we see Godzilla in full? Think about that.

Anyhow, keep your silly HV immunity theory, doesn't really matter. Godzilla can't hit Superman and Superman need only dome 'her' with his body.

It's not odd, it's the only logical way to approach that scene in relation to this discussion. We can't assume it harmed him, that is unsound logic. We have to assume it didn't harm him as there was nothing ever stated or shown that it harmed him. It's really that simple. Thus, since we had no choice but to come to that logical conclusion about his eyes and the nuke... That means Superman HV will do nothing. Again, if it's comic book hv... than that is different. It's not, so it won't harm him.

Can I see superman DOMING anybody like what you're claiming he's do... he flew right at somebody on two separate occasions and didn't fly right through them or impale them at all. So please provide proof of this theory and approach of yours and it seems to have no foundation from the movies

juggerman
Since Godzilla wasn't shown after the bomb went off, we cannot assume it was harm or unharmed. Either assumption is faulty and is just that, an assumption.

So we should look at it like this: The bomb went off and it is unknown if Godzilla was injured in any way.

KuRuPT Thanosi
Originally posted by juggerman
Since Godzilla wasn't shown after the bomb went off, we cannot assume it was harm or unharmed. Either assumption is faulty and is just that, an assumption.

So we should look at it like this: The bomb went off and it is unknown if Godzilla was injured in any way.

Actually we very well know it didn't.. The scientist of two separate occasions I believe said it did nothing. First, when he was talking to the son about what they knew about the creature known as Godzilla and the bomb. He later states when talking to the military guy that the bomb did nothing last time around.. and the General says today's bombs are more powerful. Point is, we do know he was unharmed.

NemeBro
None of this matters though.

Superman doesn't need to go through Godzilla's eye. He just needs to go around it in order to use his brain as a punching bag.

KuRuPT Thanosi
You matter though, to me

Mindship
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Actually the bomb in Godzilla I believe was stated to be more powerful than the Hiroshima blast. The only thing I remember is when a soldier called the 1950s nuke a "firecracker" compared to the current, thermonuclear warhead they were maneuvering. But what you're saying is still possible. Fission devices in the 1950s could be >10x as powerful as the Little Boy atomic bomb.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Second, Godzilla was at ground zero of attack. What you are saying would apply to things not at ground zero and on the outskirts of the initial blast center. This doesn't apply when Godzilla LITERALLY has the bomb go off right next to him. It does; the blast radiates spherically from the onset. It's just a matter of scale. No matter how far, or close, you are, wrapping yourself around a bomb is the only way to intercept all its energy. What Godzilla did "avoid," by being close, was the inverse-square-law effect greatly diminishing the blast with distance.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Superman and the Kryptonians were knocked back by conventional plane fire from a high caliber gun. I understand your point. I would say this was to create tension and excitement.

KuRuPT Thanosi
Originally posted by Mindship
The only thing I remember is when a soldier called the 1950s nuke a "firecracker" compared to the current, thermonuclear warhead they were maneuvering. But what you're saying is still possible. Fission devices in the 1950s could be >10x as powerful as the Little Boy atomic bomb.
It does; the blast radiates spherically from the onset. It's just a matter of scale. No matter how far, or close, you are, wrapping yourself around a bomb is the only way to intercept all its energy.
I understand your point. I would say this was to create tension and excitement.

yeah, I'm not sure either exactly how much more powerful it was.

This can't be true buddy. Logically if you're at ground zero you're at the start of the spherical blast radius it's all extending outward exactly where you're at. Thus all of the expanding blast first initial hit you. Even initial expansion is still hitting you. That is the polar opposite as being on one side of the spherical blast and not at ground zero. Are you saying that something on the outskirts of the blast radius getting the same energy as something at ground zero?

We can say that, and it's possible, yet we can only go by what we are shown. We are shown it sending them backwards and even dazing them. That tells me Godzilla's atomic breathe would be devastating if it hit.

jinXed by JaNx
There's nothing from the films that suggests
That superman isn't fast or agile enough
To escape Godzillas atomic breath. Even if Godzilla
We're able to catch superman with a direct hit from
His atomic breath it's questionable that it would have
Much of an affect on him.

Godzilla is all but defenseless against superman.
Superman can simply fly around in circles and blast Godzilla
In the face heat vision until the big lizard falls. Godzillas range of motion
Or lack there of and his Lumbering movements would never
Be able to defend against or harm superman. Godzillas
Only hope is his atomic breath.

Mindship
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
This can't be true buddy.Given the choice between standing next to a grenade, or turning my back to one, I'd choose the former cuz I'd be presenting less surface area. I certainly wouldn't wrap myself around it.

Though Godzilla was at ground zero, he was not literally on top of the bomb. It was on land; he was still in the water.

Reflassshh
Originally posted by Mindship
Given the choice between standing next to a grenade, or turning my back to one, I'd choose the former cuz I'd be presenting less surface area. I certainly wouldn't wrap myself around it.

Though Godzilla was at ground zero, he was not literally on top of the bomb. It was on land; he was still in the water. He did what by normal standards is tanking a nuke. I don't think many characters in fiction have 'wrapped themselves' around one, going by that logic no character ever has tanked a nuke.

jinXed by JaNx
Originally posted by Reflassshh
He did what by normal standards is tanking a nuke. I don't think many characters in fiction have 'wrapped themselves' around one, going by that logic no character ever has tanked a nuke.



I don't think many characters have endured the full gravitational flux of a world engine either ;-)

Mindship
Originally posted by Reflassshh
He did what by normal standards is tanking a nuke. Agreed. Not saying Big G didn't tank it, just that he didn't catch the total energy released.

Mindship
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Are you saying that something on the outskirts of the blast radius getting the same energy as something at ground zero?Sorry. This just registered.

To answer you: no. That's the inverse-square-law effect (ISLE). Say Godzilla gets zapped with 100 terawatts of energy at 100 feet from the bomb. If he was 1000 feet away (10x the distance), he'd get only 1 terawatt (1/100) hitting him. This is because 10 squared is 100, or 100/1. Inverted is 1/100. Thus, at 10x the distance, Godzilla would feel, not 1/10, but 1/100 the blast power. This is what Godzilla "avoided" by being at ground zero.

Essentially, while Godzilla didn't catch the total energy of the blast, what he did catch was fresh and hot (probably several 100,000s of degrees by the time the blast bubble reached him), before further dispersing with increasing distance.

KuRuPT Thanosi
Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
There's nothing from the films that suggests
That superman isn't fast or agile enough
To escape Godzillas atomic breath. Even if Godzilla
We're able to catch superman with a direct hit from
His atomic breath it's questionable that it would have
Much of an affect on him.

Godzilla is all but defenseless against superman.
Superman can simply fly around in circles and blast Godzilla
In the face heat vision until the big lizard falls. Godzillas range of motion
Or lack there of and his Lumbering movements would never
Be able to defend against or harm superman. Godzillas
Only hope is his atomic breath.

Only we know Superman was hurt and put down by MUCH MUCH less than Atomic Breathe. It's unquestionable that superman would be very hurt by it and probably out.

That isn't how superman fought in the movies though. He wasn't some super strategist who used his speed in encounters. Every single one of his encounters he met them head on. No fancy tricks.. just head on. IF he tried that with Godzilla he'd get destroyed.

KuRuPT Thanosi
You would agree that Godzilla did catch most of the energy from the blast, or at the very least, more than if he was further away right? I understand your point though, and get that some energy missed him. However, he did catch the majority of it and it essentially did nothing to him.

Time Immemorial
In the end Godzilla still comes from Earth; born from 60's era's nukes, and Kal is an advanced alien coming from another galaxy.

He was able to take on the world engine that was much faster and more agile then Godzilla.

He would figure out how to beat it easier then fighting Zod. He has the speed, strength and heatvision.

Him flying at full speed and hitting Godzilla in the face would KO Zilla seeing as Zilla was being affected by tanks. After he gets ko'd he has time to throw his ass in space or go inside and start wrecking havoc on his insides.

KuRuPT Thanosi
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Only we know Superman was hurt and put down by MUCH MUCH less than Atomic Breathe. It's unquestionable that superman would be very hurt by it and probably out.


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juggerman
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Only we know Superman was hurt and put down by MUCH MUCH less than Atomic Breathe. It's unquestionable that superman would be very hurt by it and probably out.

That isn't how superman fought in the movies though. He wasn't some super strategist who used his speed in encounters. Every single one of his encounters he met them head on. No fancy tricks.. just head on. IF he tried that with Godzilla he'd get destroyed.

This doesn't make any sense. He wasn't "put down" by anything in the movie. He wasn't KO'd at all.

And you're basically saying he would treat a fight with human sized opponents that could fly, shoot HV, jump great distances and trade punches with him the exact same as a skyscraper sized, slow moving lizard? Come the f*ck on! Nobody would fight Zilla the same way they fought people of their own size. That's just retarded.

KuRuPT Thanosi
Originally posted by juggerman
This doesn't make any sense. He wasn't "put down" by anything in the movie. He wasn't KO'd at all.

And you're basically saying he would treat a fight with human sized opponents that could fly, shoot HV, jump great distances and trade punches with him the exact same as a skyscraper sized, slow moving lizard? Come the f*ck on! Nobody would fight Zilla the same way they fought people of their own size. That's just retarded.

This couldn't be further from the truth...

He was put down by an oil rig collapsing

He was KO'd by Nam and lying helpless on the floor when they rolled his limp body over

He wasn't KO'd.. but he hit and moved by conventional weapons

So he was most certainly KO'd in the movies at various points


That's just it... People are arguing Superman has so many more ways to win.. more versatile etc etc. Yet, when supes faces this same versatility that matches his own... He doesn't try what most would.. and try and be cute or think of an elaborate plan. He decides to meet the threat head on. Deciding to face 3 super powered beings just as versatile as you and out number you.. isn't the best plan. Yet that is exactly what he did. So yes, superman has shown a propensity to not use strategy and just face people head on

Robtard
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
It's not odd, it's the only logical way to approach that scene in relation to this discussion. We can't assume it harmed him, that is unsound logic. We have to assume it didn't harm him as there was nothing ever stated or shown that it harmed him. It's really that simple. Thus, since we had no choice but to come to that logical conclusion about his eyes and the nuke... That means Superman HV will do nothing. Again, if it's comic book hv... than that is different. It's not, so it won't harm him.

Can I see superman DOMING anybody like what you're claiming he's do... he flew right at somebody on two separate occasions and didn't fly right through them or impale them at all.

So please provide proof of this theory and approach of yours and it seems to have no foundation from the movies

No, it's odd and silly as shown, but you be you.

The hell you on now? Fact: Superman used his body at least twice as a missile 1) When he flew into the world engine thereby destroying it 2) When he flew into colony ship and punched right through its hull

Provided. Facts > you

NemeBro
Originally posted by Robtard
No, it's odd and silly as shown, but you be you.

The hell you on now? Fact: Superman used his body at least twice as a missile 1) When he flew into the world engine thereby destroying it 2) When he flew into colony ship and punched right through its hull

Provided. Facts > you thumb up

Murderman murders Godzilla from the inside like he does all big foes.

juggerman
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
This couldn't be further from the truth...

1. He was put down by an oil rig collapsing

2. He was KO'd by Nam and lying helpless on the floor when they rolled his limp body over

3. He wasn't KO'd.. but he hit and moved by conventional weapons

4. So he was most certainly KO'd in the movies at various points


5. That's just it... People are arguing Superman has so many more ways to win.. more versatile etc etc. Yet, when supes faces this same versatility that matches his own... He doesn't try what most would.. and try and be cute or think of an elaborate plan. He decides to meet the threat head on. Deciding to face 3 super powered beings just as versatile as you and out number you.. isn't the best plan. Yet that is exactly what he did. So yes, superman has shown a propensity to not use strategy and just face people head on

You're wrong.

1. He wasn't "put down" by the oil rig. It collapsed. And since he couldn't fly at that point in time, he fell into the water. If anything it was gravity that "put him down"

2. He was never KO'd by Nam

3. Moved=/=hurt so pointless

4. No he really wasn't. Not one time.

5. But that's the point. He was fighting people that were equal to him. Here he is fighting a monster. He isn't going to trade blows with Zilla like he would Zod. That's a very silly stance to have. He would fight to the best of his ability against the opponent and he approach would change given what his opponent is. I'm not saying he will come up with some super creative master plan, but he would clearly fight Zilla much differently than he fought Zod and company

Time Immemorial
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Only we know Superman was hurt and put down by MUCH MUCH less than Atomic Breathe. It's unquestionable that superman would be very hurt by it and probably out.

That isn't how superman fought in the movies though. He wasn't some super strategist who used his speed in encounters. Every single one of his encounters he met them head on. No fancy tricks.. just head on. IF he tried that with Godzilla he'd get destroyed.

So what you are saying is that even though Godzilla has no way to counter his speed, Clark is now going to fight at the same speed as Godzilla? This sounds a bit nuts don't you think?

How was he supposed to fight Faora and Namek and Zod other then head on? They were the exact same as him. Fighting a giant slow object is cake walk. Hell he even fought a giant object that was as fast as him, The world Engine and took that down.

He was using as much strategy as he could but everyone he was fighting was on his level and could counter him and he was outnumbered.

Its like you think he did not encounter any opposition in his fights and somehow he had to fight them but he could have done something else.

He was a target and was targeted by his equal's.

He also was learning while he was fighting at a rapid rate, his first encounter with Faora and Namek proved that. They all had military training and combat training and he ended up going from being outmatched in skill and numbers to being equally as dangerous.

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