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DCNU Supes. Who wins?

Loki

What feats does Loki have against ripping

well, he DID have his head cut-off once.... shrug

Ooh, good feat.

In any case, Loki wins here. Assuming everyone's fighting in character and Superman isn't blitzing from the start and out to kill (I.e. Superman not forum Supes).

Loki rips Supes in half

Loki snaps. Supes dies.

Unless Loki gets a shot off first
I Dont see him beating Superman..


How does he Beat Superman?
Or even Thor, Shazam or Hulk in a fight without a quick bfr?

Loki would have to start out with something big no?

quickdraw

Yup, QuickDraw. Superman is quicker, especially knowing what Loki is capable of.

Superman stomps, way too fast and he is strong enough to bench press the weight of the planet. Loki is ripped to pieces before he even knows what happened.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Ooh, good feat.

Pretty sure he only did it because King Thor kept him alive, not sure if he can do it on his own. Of course there may be other times it happened.



So essentially Loki only wins if Superman acts like a moron. What does that say about Loki?

Also, in character, Superman isn't opposed to using his speed. Show me a comic where he specifically notes this. It is in character for him not to kill, it is just lazy writing to suit the plot that he doesn't utilize his speed more. Superman himself has never been traumatized by the very concept of super speed, and given his personality why WOULDN'T he want to defeat a villain as quickly as possible? Less potential casualties and less collateral damage.

So it never makes sense to me when people legitimately feel this is a part of his character. That tells me they don't know anything about the guys personality.

Originally posted by Surtur
Superman stomps, way too fast and he is strong enough to bench press the weight of the planet. Loki is ripped to pieces before he even knows what happened.



Pretty sure he only did it because King Thor kept him alive, not sure if he can do it on his own. Of course there may be other times it happened.



So essentially Loki only wins if Superman acts like a moron. What does that say about Loki?

Also, in character, Superman isn't opposed to using his speed. Show me a comic where he specifically notes this. It is in character for him not to kill, it is just lazy writing to suit the plot that he doesn't utilize his speed more. Superman himself has never been traumatized by the very concept of super speed, and given his personality why WOULDN'T he want to defeat a villain as quickly as possible? Less potential casualties and less collateral damage.

So it never makes sense to me when people legitimately feel this is a part of his character. That tells me they don't know anything about the guys personality.

Lol. Superman does not blitz someone right off the bat unless he knows they can take the knocks. And he would have to KO Loki from the start. But you see, I agree that if its a quickdraw situation, SUperman wins handily.

The first Avengers comic has Loki creating an ice wall to block Mjolnir at the speed of thought and redirecting radio waves...

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
The first Avengers comic has Loki creating an ice wall to block Mjolnir at the speed of thought and redirecting radio waves...

NO.

TOO OLD!

Guys, stop trying to nerf characters. The speed thing is built into the rules:

Originally posted by Digi
Debating Format

Full Capacity
It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability, but still within the character's personality, unless specified otherwise. That means they will use any powers at their disposal. For example, even though The Flash doesn't clock each of his own opponents in the first millisecond in his own comic, it is assumed that is a viable tactic on this board since it is a proven fact that he possesses that level of speed.
It is also assumed that the characters fight at their optimum levels of ability - not explicitly weakened or unusually powered up for those who have variable power levels. As well as certain instances where characters are holding back:
Originally posted by -Pr-
Clarification of CIS

Ok people, here are the finalised rules as regards PIS, CIS, and everything related to it.

PIS is, as always, off unless the thread starter says it's ON.

CIS, as was said before, is now a more diverse term, but is not as vague as before.

While CIS still exists in the form of characters like Rhino (who are just too stupid to know better), it also exists in one other form.

This is known as Character Inhibited Power. This applies to characters that have intelligence, like the Silver Surfer, Superman, and so on and so forth.

As Bada said:

"It's a self imposed limitation in certain circumstances which there is concern for civilians and buildings for the most part. It's not stupidity, it's a limitation set until the threat exceeds a certain threshold."

What this means is that people like the Surfer and Superman and so on will not use the full extent of their powers if it will endanger civilians. It doesn't, though, mean they will fight like idiots. The character's personality is an integral part of the match and dictates how they will perform. This is the crux of the rules we've come up with. It doesn't come down to powers, it comes down to the man or woman that weilds them.

In accordance with this, several factors come in to play in debates:

The Opponent, Basic Information, the Arena and the Character's Personality and Experience

Those four are key.

Example:

If Martian Manhunter fights say, Juggernaut.

MM doesn't personally know Juggernaut (Opponent). So he has Basic Information. This is categorised as being what the general public would know about the Juggernaut. It goes by averages. If that average man or woman on the street knows that Juggernaut is super strong, then MM knows. The average man or woman doesn't know, however, that the Juggernaut is weak against psionics. J'onn would approach with caution, not knowing whether Juggernaut was in his weight class, and not knowing the full extent of the man's powers.

However. If Martian Manhunter went up against Amazo, he would know to go for broke right at the start, because he KNOWS Amazo (Personality and Experience). He will use his speed, his strength, his shapeshifting. This is because if he knows what it takes to bring down Amazo, or he believes his standard attacks won't work. If J'onn was fighting Juggernaut, there would come a point when he would realise that normal attacks won't work, and would up his game. Any character that doesn't suffer from Rhino-esque stupidity is capable of this. Even with this, though, the Arena comes in to play. If civilians are in danger, J'onn won't shapeshift in to a fire breathing dragon. Juggernaut on the other hand doesn't care, so wouldn't hesitate to toss cars and trucks full of civilians at the Martian.

Examples:

Thor knows he can't out-brawl Hulk, so uses exotic powers sooner than he would against the likes of Superman, as Superman is an unknown to him.

Superman would go all out against Doomsday or Despero because he knows how powerful they are. Against the Hulk, he's going to take a few punches before realising he'll have to use something rather than slugging it out. He won't bathe the street in heat vision either, because there are civilians nearby.

It ALL comes down to the CHARACTER, not the POWERSET.

I haven't been on much the past several weeks due to my business. But I know Pr has had enough of everything that's been happening. The lowballing, trolling, ignoring mods, limiting characters, etc. stops now.


Superman, Flash, Shazam, Wonder Woman, etc. will all use their speed, period. If you have a problem then go to a pro-Marvel board, or contact Marvel and tell them to give characters speed feats.

I hate you.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
The first Avengers comic has Loki creating an ice wall to block Mjolnir at the speed of thought and redirecting radio waves... That's pretty slow compared to Superman.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol. Superman does not blitz someone right off the bat unless he knows they can take the knocks.

This doesn't explain why he doesn't do it for villains he has encountered more then once. Or why he doesn't tend to do it to people who have powers, but only have normal human durability.

Also, you realize Superman can open a door without ripping it off the hinges, he can shake your hand without crushing it..and he can even have sex with someone who has only human durability. The point is..it is not like he can't control the strength he uses.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I hate you. badawe

Originally posted by Badabing
badawe

Meh, I'm still correct. Always did say superman wins if he blitzes.

Originally posted by NemeBro
That's pretty slow compared to Superman. Loki's speed of thought was stated to be faster than lightning, and beyond all reckoning. And that was him erecting an entire ice wall in the time it took Mjolnir to travel like a foot. Plus radio waves being light speed...

Though Superman blitzing at light speed was a question preboot, let alone now.

Loki has the speed to react to what Superman does. Whether that means he wins is up for debate, but just pretending he gets blitzed and auto loses is silly as pickles. Especially when the guy can turn intangible, shape shift, go mist form, teleport, or just fly really ****ing fast. And there's the part where he has outright taken Mjolnir thrown at him at lightspeed really well.

Marvel characters do have speed feats dc fanboys just dont recognize em


Superman stomps though

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Loki's speed of thought was stated to be faster than lightning, and beyond all reckoning. And that was him erecting an entire ice wall in the time it took Mjolnir to travel like a foot. Plus radio waves being light speed...

Though Superman blitzing at light speed was a question preboot, let alone now.

Loki has the speed to react to what Superman does. Whether that means he wins is up for debate, but just pretending he gets blitzed and auto loses is silly as pickles. Especially when the guy can turn intangible, shape shift, go mist form, teleport, or just fly really ****ing fast. And there's the part where he has outright taken Mjolnir thrown at him at lightspeed really well. Could not have said it better myself.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Marvel characters do have speed feats dc fanboys just dont recognize em


Superman stomps though

How does Superman, much less DCnU Superman (Who's weakness to magic has also been emphasized), stomp Loki?

Are you using Kid Loki instead of Adult?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Meh, I'm still correct. Always did say superman wins if he blitzes. I HATE the speed blitz. It defeated the purpose of a lot of the threads for me. And to make matters worse, Marvel is very stingy with speed feats for some reason. Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
How does Superman, much less DCnU Superman (Who's weakness to magic has also been emphasized), stomp Loki?

Are you using Kid Loki instead of Adult? Punching him to orbit, tearing him in half, puny god slam (ala Hulk), etc. I'll let Abhi educate you later on. biscuits

LOL, Loki has held his own against Surtur and has Godlike reflexes, the only way hes getting punched into space or torn in half is if he falls asleep. Loki has far too many ways to win this battle, hell, he even took on 3 thors at once and was winning, even making several copies of himself while battling Surtur and has hid his location from Odin and Hemidall , both whose senses make supermans look like a new born childs.

Superman rips Loki in half. Rage cries himself to sleep.

And DCnU Superman has hit intangible beings before, tracked teleportation across solar system etc. HV that could incinerate Doomsday would **** Loki up. Oh and he has taken magical attacks from characters and weapons which can destroy dozen or hundred of planets. Loki is screwed here.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman rips Loki in half. Rage cries himself to sleep.

And DCnU Superman has hit intangible beings before, tracked teleportation across solar system etc. HV that could incinerate Doomsday would **** Loki up. Oh and he has taken magical attacks from characters and weapons which can destroy dozen or hundred of planets. Loki is screwed here.

Loki has a very good chance of winning (with the magic, superior h2h skills, intangibility, super durability, and impressive strength.). please tell me what New 52 Doomsday has done.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Loki's speed of thought was stated to be faster than lightning, and beyond all reckoning. And that was him erecting an entire ice wall in the time it took Mjolnir to travel like a foot. Plus radio waves being light speed...

Though Superman blitzing at light speed was a question preboot, let alone now.

Loki has the speed to react to what Superman does. Whether that means he wins is up for debate, but just pretending he gets blitzed and auto loses is silly as pickles. Especially when the guy can turn intangible, shape shift, go mist form, teleport, or just fly really ****ing fast. And there's the part where he has outright taken Mjolnir thrown at him at lightspeed really well.

Well, no Loki has not consistently shown he has super speed anywhere near there. He doesn't have the speed to react to Superman. Someone stating his speed of thought is faster then lightning doesn't really translate into him actually showing he has those kind of reflexes.

Originally posted by JBL
LOL, Loki has held his own against Surtur

So, considering Surtur has thrown down with Odin, do you feel that Loki holding hiis own against Surtur is legitimate? Odin destroys galaxies as a side effect of his fights, and Surtur can thrown down with him.



No he doesn't.



It's hard to take you seriously when you seem to feel Loki throwing down with Surtur is a legitimate feat.

Originally posted by carver9
DCNU Supes. Who wins?

Spite against Loki.

Originally posted by Surtur
Well, no Loki has not consistently shown he has super speed anywhere near there. He doesn't have the speed to react to Superman. Someone stating his speed of thought is faster then lightning doesn't really translate into him actually showing he has those kind of reflexes.



So, considering Surtur has thrown down with Odin, do you feel that Loki holding hiis own against Surtur is legitimate? Odin destroys galaxies as a side effect of his fights, and Surtur can thrown down with him.



No he doesn't.



It's hard to take you seriously when you seem to feel Loki throwing down with Surtur is a legitimate feat. Superman has never blitzed at the speed of light or thought. Now its pis when he is shown to fight against Surtur one on one? lol. Your earth benching feat has not one thing to do with punching power or speed since his blows are stated as " mountain busting ". Loki stood between surtur and destruction of all that is and even hurt Surtur with his blasts, he took on 3 thors at the same time. Loki does have Godlike reflexes like it or not.

Well, this thread has become the mess I thought it would.

Abhi, stop baiting people.

Maybe some time off would allow people some perspective?

Loki wins, btw.

Originally posted by Surtur
Well, no Loki has not consistently shown he has super speed anywhere near there. He doesn't have the speed to react to Superman. Someone stating his speed of thought is faster then lightning doesn't really translate into him actually showing he has those kind of reflexes. What's this talk of consistency when you're speaking of Superman blitzing characters?

He does have the speed. Making up some shit about consistency doesn't mean anything. Actually, would you care to see how Loki does against opponents who appear invisible to the reader?
No, I can't imagine so.

Anyway, how fast they can be:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/thor21.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/thor22.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/thor06.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/thor07.jpg

Loki vs at least 9 of them:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Fights/LokivsDisir01SiegeLoki1.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Fights/LokivsDisir02.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Fights/LokivsDisir03.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Fights/LokivsDisir04.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Fights/LokivsDisir05.jpg


Loki is not slow. Loki like even Superman does get hit however, and Loki like Superman doesn't always use his speed. Though in Loki's case it seems more reflex than offensive. Which would be exactly the case here.
Whether Loki wins or loses here, it's not because he got speedblitzed because his speed doesn't count because "consistency"

Originally posted by deathslash
Loki has a very good chance of winning (with the magic, superior h2h skills, intangibility, super durability, and impressive strength.). please tell me what New 52 Doomsday has done.
Are you implying Loki is anywhere near Superman in either strength or durability?

facepalm

But since we're going by high end feats only, Superman survived attacks from characters and weapons which can destroy planets and kill 5-D imps.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Or he could resist it like he did against Lexus who was shown destroying planets and the blast would've killed Pax Galactica. A single member of Pax was strong enough to break a continent sized worldship apart in a single strike and match Superman in strength.

http://i.imgur.com/xkfT3kF.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/UNv1dRW.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/jOkb4GM.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/podSZ5P.jpg

Although he was temporarily KOED, he was unaware that the blast was magical to begin with.

http://i.imgur.com/NGyNqYp.jpg

And Lexus was powerful enough to destroy dozen of planets when he was just learning his powers.

http://i.imgur.com/TdhNlLG.jpg

So not seeing how its just that easy for John to beat Superman here when Superman can take blasts from planet busters.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman also takes several attacks from Multitude, magical weapon from 5th dimensional which killed Mxy's older form in one attack and destroyed 230 worlds instantly.

http://i.imgur.com/tZcjkT0.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/8MPLjbE.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/SVzfcLz.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/GqSAju0.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/KLqc4vb.jpg



And he fought a 5-D imp for a whole issue while being greatly weakened by kryptonite.

Originally posted by abhilegend
While on the other hand Superman is fighting and defeating an evil 5-d imp.

http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/15576121_2013-03-20_07-29-30_-_Action_Comics_18-004.jpg http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/15576123_2013-03-20_07-29-32_-_Action_Comics_18-005.jpg http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/15576126_2013-03-20_07-29-35_-_Action_Comics_18-006.jpg http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/15576128_2013-03-20_07-29-48_-_Action_Comics_18-011.jpg http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/15576130_2013-03-20_07-29-50_-_Action_Comics_18-012.jpg http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/15576132_2013-03-20_07-30-00_-_Action_Comics_18-016.jpg http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/15576133_2013-03-20_07-30-02_-_Action_Comics_18-017.jpg http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/15576136_2013-03-20_07-30-03_-_Action_Comics_18-018.jpg http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/15576137_2013-03-20_07-30-05_-_Action_Comics_18-019.jpg


But hurting Surtur is being called a feat here? What about Superman oneshot shattering Phantom Stranger's body? Or is only Loki is allowed to get high end feats here?

Originally posted by Surtur
Well, no Loki has not consistently shown he has super speed anywhere near there. He doesn't have the speed to react to Superman. Someone stating his speed of thought is faster then lightning doesn't really translate into him actually showing he has those kind of reflexes.



So, considering Surtur has thrown down with Odin, do you feel that Loki holding hiis own against Surtur is legitimate? Odin destroys galaxies as a side effect of his fights, and Surtur can thrown down with him.



No he doesn't.



It's hard to take you seriously when you seem to feel Loki throwing down with Surtur is a legitimate feat.

Hahaha wtf?

On the first page you mention that Superman is too strong and fast because he can bench the earth and here you want to ignore Loki's speed feats because they are "not consistent"?

Are you being sarcastic or do you actually not see the huge double standard?

Let's compare how many times Superman has bench pressed a planet or speed blitzed anywhere near light speed and how many times Loki's has illustrated his god like reflexes or taken on a high end opponent?

Fyi, being able to fly at light speed is not evidence of a speed blitz. After all, Loki can at the speed of thought turn into his Astral form where he is so fast he can traverse entire dimensions instantly while examining their inhabitants, showing his awareness.

Originally posted by JBL
Superman has never blitzed at the speed of light or thought. Now its pis when he is shown to fight against Surtur one on one? lol.

Superman has shown his top speed is lightspeed..and also that he does at times use his speed to blitz, etc. So, if he is going all out why wouldn't he go his fastest? It doesn't make sense.



Okay but benching a planet is way more then mountain busting. So I'd go with the actual feat instead of a contradictory statement.



Again, why do you feel it is legitimate for Loki to take blasts from someone on the level of Surtur. I have to ask, how powerful do you really think Loki is?



He really doesn't, he's never consistently shown that.

A certain poster has noted that Superman survived a magical attack from a being capable of destroying planets.

What said poster has failed to note however is that the attack that hit Superman was said to be able to destroy a moon and it knocked him the f*ck out.



I'm on my phone so I'll leave the scan posting to someone else. Similar scenes have been dismissed as hyperbole. Not to mention Loki has channeled his magic into a blast that was said to be able to devastate a planet, and that's a weaker showing.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus On the first page you mention that Superman is too strong and fast because he can bench the earth and here you want to ignore Loki's speed feats because they are "not consistent"?

Well yeah I do. I'm not sure why you are even comparing the two. Loki has been around for FIVE DECADES. How can you compare that to a character only around 3 years?

QUOTE] Let's compare how many times Superman has bench pressed a planet or speed blitzed anywhere near light speed and how many times Loki's has illustrated his god like reflexes or taken on a high end opponent?

I'm sorry, but people are just applying things to Loki that aren't true. Superman hasn't shown it that much, but like I said..only been around 3 years. Loki has been around 5 decades, in that entire time he was never consistently portrayed as being anywhere near strong enough to take blasts from Surtur..nor was he, overall, portrayed as someone with "godlike" reflexes.



So did he ever actually devastate a planet then? Which comic does he devastate an entire planet? Do you have scans of that too?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
A certain poster has noted that Superman survived a magical attack from a being capable of destroying planets.

What said poster has failed to note however is that the attack that hit Superman was said to be able to destroy a moon and it knocked him the f*ck out.



I'm on my phone so I'll leave the scan posting to someone else. Similar scenes have been dismissed as hyperbole. Not to mention Loki has channeled his magic into a blast that was said to be able to devastate a planet, and that's a weaker showing.
Able to destroy the moon? Where? And its impressiveness is from the fact that it was stated to be able to kill superman level characters in one hit and Superman took two blasts not even knowing it was magical attack.


And lulz @ this lowballing attempt. The planets were shown to be destroyed in both attempts. Superman survived an attack that oneshot killed a 5-D imp and destroyed 230 planets instantly. That's low too, I guess.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
A certain poster has noted that Superman survived a magical attack from a being capable of destroying planets.

What said poster has failed to note however is that the attack that hit Superman was said to be able to destroy a moon and it knocked him the f*ck out.



I'm on my phone so I'll leave the scan posting to someone else. Similar scenes have been dismissed as hyperbole. Not to mention Loki has channeled his magic into a blast that was said to be able to devastate a planet, and that's a weaker showing.

So, baiting him AND lowballing the feat? Really? I mean, I expect that from others, but you're supposed to be above that kind of thing...

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Loki's speed of thought was stated to be faster than lightning, and beyond all reckoning. And that was him erecting an entire ice wall in the time it took Mjolnir to travel like a foot. Plus radio waves being light speed...

Though Superman blitzing at light speed was a question preboot, let alone now.

Loki has the speed to react to what Superman does. Whether that means he wins is up for debate, but just pretending he gets blitzed and auto loses is silly as pickles. Especially when the guy can turn intangible, shape shift, go mist form, teleport, or just fly really ****ing fast. And there's the part where he has outright taken Mjolnir thrown at him at lightspeed really well.

Ok so Loki has one showing out of more than 50 years that is on par with light speed (radio wave feat) although it wasn't a mid battle feat. That means he will have Ftl reflexes in a forum fight.
I'm cool with that as long as we can take Superman's highest showings ever and make it a standard. Superman has far more of them.

Erecting a magical ice wall before Mjolnir can travel 2 feet is impressive but not Superman impressive. Thor, on average, doesn't throw Mjolnir anywhere near light speed. When he does, it is mentioned and also he is seen spending a lot of time building its speed to that point before throwing it. Batman has a single feat of blocking a light speed attack after it was launched. But that's just one feat.

I mean if Loki operates as you are suggesting then he beats Thor easily as Thor won't be able to hit him. I have no problem with that as long as Superman gets the same treatment by you. Just be fair to Superman in other threads as you are to Loki here with his one or two feats.

Bottomline, Loki might have very fast reflexes but he hasn't never been shown to move very fast in a battle situation. If Loki is fighting at his best then he wins here. I shocked you didn't i?

Yep it is grasping at straws to suggest Loki has anywhere near that kind of speed, but we can all play these silly games. People go on about "what did superman do on panel?" Okay, so next time a preNu Superman fight happens, I can totally say he has infinite strength, right? After all, he lifted a book that had infinite weight. Yeah, Cap Marvel helped too, but half of infinite is still infinite. Good to know and since it happened ON PANEL then hey, it counts.

Also Spiderman can totally beat the shit out of Firelord, IT HAPPENED ON PANEL.

Originally posted by h1a8
Ok so Loki has one showing out of more than 50 years that is on par with light speed (radio wave feat) although it wasn't a mid battle feat. That means he will have Ftl reflexes in a forum fight.
I'm cool with that as long as we can take Superman's highest showings ever and make it a standard. Superman has far more of them.

Erecting a magical ice wall before Mjolnir can travel 2 feet is impressive but not Superman impressive. Thor, on average, doesn't throw Mjolnir anywhere near light speed. When he does, it is mentioned and also he is seen spending a lot of time building its speed to that point before throwing it. Batman has a single feat of blocking a light speed attack after it was launched. But that's just one feat.

I mean if Loki operates as you are suggesting then he beats Thor easily as Thor won't be able to hit him. I have no problem with that as long as Superman gets the same treatment by you. Just be fair to Superman in other threads as you are to Loki here with his one or two feats.

Bottomline, Loki might have very fast reflexes but he hasn't never been shown to move very fast in a battle situation. If Loki is fighting at his best then he wins here. I shocked you didn't i? wait you're complaining about a poster clinging to a single feat from ages ago! Lol juggernauts forcefield/godblast feat much

Originally posted by Surtur
Yep it is grasping at straws to suggest Loki has anywhere near that kind of speed, but we can all play these silly games. People go on about "what did superman do on panel?" Okay, so next time a preNu Superman fight happens, I can totally say he has infinite strength, right? After all, he lifted a book that had infinite weight. Yeah, Cap Marvel helped too, but half of infinite is still infinite. Good to know and since it happened ON PANEL then hey, it counts.

Also Spiderman can totally beat the shit out of Firelord, IT HAPPENED ON PANEL. That book was magical and the book of infinite pages,not infinite weight. Besides Ultraman lifted it alone. Loki is the kind of character that would have superman,hyperion,gladiator and the like tucked away in a corner cowering and not knowing their names.

Originally posted by JBL
That book was magical and the book of infinite pages,not infinite weight. Besides Ultraman lifted it alone.

Right, so, Spiderman beat Firelord, legit, right? After all, it happened on panel.



First off, no..he can't do any of that unless Superman forgets his speed. Second, nah, Supes wouldn't be cowering in a corner simply via a punk like Loki. The guy has come across way way greater threats and not cowered.

Like floating teeth? Oh wait...

Loki wins 6/10 imho

Originally posted by JBL
That book was magical and the book of infinite pages,not infinite weight. Besides Ultraman lifted it alone. Loki is the kind of character that would have superman,hyperion,gladiator and the like tucked away in a corner cowering and not knowing their names.

We had a mod ruling on that feat a while ago. It happened, it was infinite weight, but it has no real bearing on debates, so doesn't need to be brought up. At all.

Not to restart that $hit storm but how can it have infinite weight, 1/2 of infinite is infinite so it physically can't weigh infinite. Not to argue its a light weight but much like Herc's sky feat its approaching infinite but not true infinite.

If that makes sence

Originally posted by -Pr-
We had a mod ruling on that feat a while ago. It happened, it was infinite weight, but it has no real bearing on debates, so doesn't need to be brought up. At all.

Why no bearing on debates? It happened, and there are scans on it. By the way people argue here..that is all you need.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Not to restart that $hit storm but how can it have infinite weight, 1/2 of infinite is infinite so it physically can't weigh infinite. Not to argue its a light weight but much like Herc's sky feat its approaching infinite but not true infinite.

If that makes sence

It's infinite, but as to how..? Well, how does Superman fly? How does a gorilla have telepathy? Those are no more silly then the infinite weight non sense. If you have a problem with that, you should have a problem with 99% of DC characters.

I do

Originally posted by Surtur
Why no bearing on debates? It happened, and there are scans on it. By the way people argue here..that is all you need.



It's infinite, but as to how..? Well, how does Superman fly? How does a gorilla have telepathy? Those are no more silly then the infinite weight non sense. If you have a problem with that, you should have a problem with 99% of DC characters.

Because arguing that a character has infinite strength makes debates redundant.

"I think Hulk could beat Superman" could just be countered with "Infinite book, bitches!".

We don't want that. And it's not his average either, so that helps.

So, basically Loki showing a handful of speed feats only when he needs to is comparable to Spider-Man vs Firelord?

Where do these guys keep coming from?

Originally posted by h1a8
Ok so Loki has one showing out of more than 50 years that is on par with light speed (radio wave feat) although it wasn't a mid battle feat. That means he will have Ftl reflexes in a forum fight.
I'm cool with that as long as we can take Superman's highest showings ever and make it a standard. Superman has far more of them.

Erecting a magical ice wall before Mjolnir can travel 2 feet is impressive but not Superman impressive. Thor, on average, doesn't throw Mjolnir anywhere near light speed. When he does, it is mentioned and also he is seen spending a lot of time building its speed to that point before throwing it. Batman has a single feat of blocking a light speed attack after it was launched. But that's just one feat.

I mean if Loki operates as you are suggesting then he beats Thor easily as Thor won't be able to hit him. I have no problem with that as long as Superman gets the same treatment by you. Just be fair to Superman in other threads as you are to Loki here with his one or two feats.

Bottomline, Loki might have very fast reflexes but he hasn't never been shown to move very fast in a battle situation. If Loki is fighting at his best then he wins here. I shocked you didn't i?

He's done it more often than Wally and Barry have IMP'd

IEdit : meh, forget it

Originally posted by Inhuman
IEdit : meh, forget it You sir win the grand prize!!! That's the whole context of lifting that book.

Originally posted by JBL
You sir win the grand prize!!! That's the whole context of lifting that book.

Lel. I didn't even want to bother.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman rips Loki in half. Rage cries himself to sleep.

And DCnU Superman has hit intangible beings before, tracked teleportation across solar system etc. HV that could incinerate Doomsday would **** Loki up. Oh and he has taken magical attacks from characters and weapons which can destroy dozen or hundred of planets. Loki is screwed here.



In Action Comics #29 Superman in the process of getting his ass kicked again by a Ghost Soldier, manages to freeze him when the soldier goes for his heart:
http://s1.postimg.org/5etco926z/image.jpghttp://s1.postimg.org/oimo4lf17/image.jpg

Basically, he turned tangible to attack and Superman managed to freeze them. Since I know some people are unable to read, here's the next issue, Action Comics #30 where he confirms he freezes them when they go tangible:
http://s1.postimg.org/mgm6qch23/Action_Comics_030_2014_Digital_Nahga_Empire.jpg

In this same issue, later on, he faces even more powerful ghosts who he can't do anything to at all and is getting beat up by:
http://s1.postimg.org/69fwaaa1n/Action_Comics_030_2014_Digital_Nahga_Empire.jpghttp://s1.postimg.org/wgh368sbf/Action_Comics_030_2014_Digital_Nahga_Empire.jpghttp://s30.postimg.org/iuysk3trh/Action_Comics_030_2014_Digital_Nahga_Empire.jpghttp://s30.postimg.org/3xqbj3gj1/Action_Comics_030_2014_Digital_Nahga_Empire.jpg

If there's one thing this arc proves, it's that mystical beings that can turn intangible can give Superman serious trouble.

Again, Action Comics #29 and #30. I don't want to have to discuss this again.

Now, if this isn't the scene to which you are referring to, then I apologize, but if it is, then, well......

Originally posted by abhilegend
Able to destroy the moon? Where? And its impressiveness is from the fact that it was stated to be able to kill superman level characters in one hit and Superman took two blasts not even knowing it was magical attack.


And lulz @ this lowballing attempt. The planets were shown to be destroyed in both attempts. Superman survived an attack that oneshot killed a 5-D imp and destroyed 230 planets instantly. That's low too, I guess.

You're referring to Action Comics #23? Here's the scan of the scene so you don't think I'm lowballing or something:
http://s27.postimg.org/478m4ez5r/2013_08_07_07_10_51_Action_Comics_2011_023.jpghttp://s27.postimg.org/it486elbz/2013_08_07_07_10_51_Action_Comics_2011_023.jpghttp://s27.postimg.org/ugton7l33/2013_08_07_07_10_51_Action_Comics_2011_023.jpg

Although I'd like to clarify that it was only one blast, and while Straith may arguably be herald level, the rest did nothing to justify being called "Iron Man level", much less "Superman level" unless I missed some feats:
http://s27.postimg.org/m6cgt4ewv/2013_08_07_07_10_51_Action_Comics_2011_023.jpghttp://s27.postimg.org/kd9k4stq7/2013_08_07_07_10_51_Action_Comics_2011_023.jpghttp://s27.postimg.org/mtbdinbsv/2013_08_07_07_10_51_Action_Comics_2011_023.jpg

Where did Lexus destroy a planet twice?

Which attack?

Superman can and will use his speed, but Loki can and will use his misdirection. So Superman's first attack will reveal his speed and strength to Loki, while Superman will probably figure out Loki is a magic user. Loki doesn't care about innocents, so he can make Supes use all his energy flying around and saving people while being attacked. It being Superman, he will eventually beat Loki, since Thor usually does, but by no means will it be an easy battle over in a few seconds.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
So, basically Loki showing a handful of speed feats only when he needs to is comparable to Spider-Man vs Firelord?

Where do these guys keep coming from?

Why yes, yes it is. The Spiderman thing is bogus because he was never consistently that powerful. Likewise, Loki never consistently had godlike reflexes.

Why is this concept so hard to get?

Originally posted by -Pr- We don't want that. And it's not his average either, so that helps.

So why the heck is there even a friggin discussion going on about Loki and his reflexes? Those ARE NOT his average either. Supermans feat is thrown out because it is not his average, but Loki shows 2 feats in 5 decades and it totally counts? How does that work? Superman, post crisis, the one who did the feat..wasn't around for 50 years. If Loki, being around 50 years, only requires like 2 feats..then it would make sense for someone around at least 2-3 decades less would only need 1.

I'm not saying you specifically are arguing that, but it just doesn't make much sense to me.

Though I will say, if you are throwing out feats because they make fights redundant then you probably want to take away the speed steal from Wally West, because in 99% of fights it makes everyone else redundant.

Originally posted by Surtur
Why yes, yes it is. The Spiderman thing is bogus because he was never consistently that powerful. Likewise, Loki never consistently had godlike reflexes.

Why is this concept so hard to get? But Loki is consistently shown to be fast, or have Godlike reflexes. So much so in fact that the speed of his thought manifested itself into its own identity that had a race with Loki. That Loki can grab a speeding Silver Surfer out of the air, that Loki can race around the world with Silver Surfer, etc.

Loki even displaying speed as few times as you think is not compared to Spider-Man kicking the shit out of a herald level being even without factoring in context. One is simply being fast going by a few appearances. One is beating the butts out of a herald level being taken in a vacuum and applying it to every thread. If you don't see the difference between using a few feats to say he can react to someone and using one feat to say Spider-Man is herald level then I don't know what to tell you.
Not to mention you're using zero consistency to say Superman can throw 1000 punches in the blink of an eye in another thread. Yet you have issues with Loki who isn't even a main character mind you having spread out speed feats. Speed feats that are very much there, but are again used when he needs them.

There's also the part where Superman probably has a comparable number of battles to Loki already, so...

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Like floating teeth? Oh wait...

Loki wins 6/10 imho
Loki has far worse showings than that. In fact being outsmarted by ****ing Jarvis is lulzworthy.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
In Action Comics #29 Superman in the process of getting his ass kicked again by a Ghost Soldier, manages to freeze him when the soldier goes for his heart:


Basically, he turned tangible to attack and Superman managed to freeze them. Since I know some people are unable to read, here's the next issue, Action Comics #30 where he confirms he freezes them when they go tangible:


In this same issue, later on, he faces even more powerful ghosts who he can't do anything to at all and is getting beat up by:

If there's one thing this arc proves, it's that mystical beings that can turn intangible can give Superman serious trouble.

Again, Action Comics #29 and #30. I don't want to have to discuss this again.

Now, if this isn't the scene to which you are referring to, then I apologize, but if it is, then, well......
You're such a shit lowballer, I can't even believe it. In the very same issue, AC 29 Superman froze the intangible Ghost Soldier very easily.


http://i.imgur.com/3ye6cxv.jpg

And the next scan after you posted had Superman freezing the intangible Ghost Soldier solid.

http://i.imgur.com/yStwp7s.jpg

And his HV actually pushed Ghost Soldier back despite he was phasing.

http://i.imgur.com/vIQwAcs.jpg

But hey, Loki fights being intangible all the time and has never gone into melee just like Superman speedblitzes every time. In fact I can find more speedblitzes from Superman than Loki has gone intangible. Not to mention the Ghosts burned Superman and then he got up and kicked their asses thoroughly. And of course you wouldn't discuss it any further, you're total shit at this.Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
You're referring to Action Comics #23? Here's the scan of the scene so you don't think I'm lowballing or something:


Although I'd like to clarify that it was only one blast, and while Straith may arguably be herald level, the rest did nothing to justify being called "Iron Man level", much less "Superman level" unless I missed some feats:


Where did Lexus destroy a planet twice?

Which attack?
I already posted the scans, thank you. And where was that a moon destroying blast?


And I don't know how you could've lost this page.

http://i.imgur.com/TdhNlLG.jpg

Destroying a dozen planet throughout years. He was stated to be a universal threat in the very same issue BTW.

You still haven't seen the multitude destroying 230 planets?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Loki has far worse showings than that. In fact being outsmarted by ****ing Jarvis is lulzworthy.

You're such a shit lowballer, I can't even believe it. In the very same issue, AC 29 Superman froze the intangible Ghost Soldier very easily.


http://i.imgur.com/3ye6cxv.jpg

And the next scan after you posted had Superman freezing the intangible Ghost Soldier solid.

And his HV actually pushed Ghost Soldier back despite he was phasing.



I never disputed that Superman froze Ghost Soldier solid.

What I'm disputing is that you said he froze an intangible being when it specifically said that he waited until Ghost Solider went for his heart again (Turning partially solid at least) and he confirmed in the next issue that he can freeze them when they turn TANGIBLE.

So again, yes Superman froze Ghost Soldier solid. He froze multiple Ghost Soldier's solid. That's great, that's amazing, fantastic. Just don't say he froze an intangible being as that implies he froze a being that was actually intangible at the time when that is clearly not the case in this issue.

I actually missed Superman pushing back Ghost Soldier with his heat vision, which I guess is kind of useful, maybe but it didn't do any harm and we already know he has no affect on more powerful ghosts.

Anyways, this is my last post on this particular matter. The scans are there for everybody.

Originally posted by abhilegend
But hey, Loki fights being intangible all the time and has never gone into melee just like Superman speedblitzes every time. In fact I can find more speedblitzes from Superman than Loki has gone intangible. Not to mention the Ghosts burned Superman and then he got up and kicked their asses thoroughly. And of course you wouldn't discuss it any further, you're total shit at this.
I already posted the scans, thank you. And where was that a moon destroying blast?

This is just a childish rant. I never said anything about Superman vs. Loki or how the two fight.

Originally posted by abhilegend
And I don't know how you could've lost this page.

Destroying a dozen planet throughout years. He was stated to be a universal threat in the very same issue BTW.

You still haven't seen the multitude destroying 230 planets?

So is that what you're referring to when you said he destroyed planets?

I thought I might have missed something so I wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt as I don't read everything about Superman.

Just to be clear, Lexus destroyed planets:

1) Before his death as a wizard or whatever.
2) Completely off panel.
3) According to a characters statement.
4) For an undisclosed period of time.

And after as this gigantic entity, it fed on planets (You implied it was going around blasting them into pieces or something).

Those are some pretty lax standards for someone who has dismissed way more concrete feats as hyperbole even as we SEE them happening.

Well, whatever, the scans are there now so it's fine and up to everybody to decide so I'm done with this particular topic.

Originally posted by Surtur
Well yeah I do. I'm not sure why you are even comparing the two. Loki has been around for FIVE DECADES. How can you compare that to a character only around 3 years?

I'm sorry, but people are just applying things to Loki that aren't true. Superman hasn't shown it that much, but like I said..only been around 3 years. Loki has been around 5 decades, in that entire time he was never consistently portrayed as being anywhere near strong enough to take blasts from Surtur..nor was he, overall, portrayed as someone with "godlike" reflexes.

How can I compare the two?

I honestly don't know whether you are being sarcastic or actually unable to see the horrible flaws in your reasoning?

First of all, Loki is a villain, and Superman in the last 3 years probably already rivals Loki in the total number of fights they've been or issues where they've actually done something.

Second, consistency has nothing to do with TIME. It's how consistent they are relative to their own averages.

Which makes Superman bench pressing a planet, a feat that is actually somewhat contradictory, incredibly inconsistent.

You're arguing that Superman can rip Loki apart because he can bench press a planet and speed blitz with a thousand punches a second. How is that in anyway an argument based on consistency?

That is a logic based purely on using a high end Superman that contradicts like 96%.

LOL, Loki taking on high end beings like Surtur or displaying his amazing reflexes relative to their own appearances/fights is more likely than DCnU Superman bench pressing a planet and speed blitzing at light speed or whatever.

Literally a few posts back you ignore the fact that Superman's strength being "mountain shattering" has been far more consistent than bench pressing a planet.

Originally posted by Surtur
So did he ever actually devastate a planet then? Which comic does he devastate an entire planet? Do you have scans of that too?

So you think Loki might have been lying? Perhaps exaggerating? Well, do you have scans of Superman actually bench pressing a planet? After all, that scientist with a clip board might have been lying to.

Here's a much better feat of Loki pooling his magic with Karnilla and actually knocking Infinity back:
http://s2.postimg.org/dk8lqn7h5/Thor_188_11.jpg
http://s2.postimg.org/t6zv40l95/Thor_188_12_13.jpg

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I never disputed that Superman froze Ghost Soldier solid. You weren't? Could've fooled me.

He was intangible when Superman freezed him the first time.

http://i.imgur.com/3ye6cxv.jpg

He is explicitly phasing to HV and Superman froze him at the very same moment.



facepalm

You can't be this dense.

WTF? He didn't affect Ghost Soldier well, because he is a GHOST.

And you distorted them like everytime. Even Pr called on your BS.



Bwahaha. What a supremely ironic post. Yes, you are.



At starting level of his powers where a single member of Pax Galactica killed him. He became more powerful than ever and killed entire Pax Galactica. But I like how you completely ignore the on panel statements when you don't like them.

What? That was after it became Lexus. Before that it was explicitly stated that he destroyed planets.

Like what feats?

Oh shut up already you crybaby.

"Wah, wah, my totally BS claims got ripped to shred. I'm not going to respond untill I respond again."

Loki will be far far more than phasing. He will be undetectable and in more than one place, superman freezing or fire blasting a being that he can see does not relate to superman coming even remotely close to knowing where loki is. Loki has hidden himself from Odin and Hemidall, superman would be childs play for loki.

Originally posted by JBL
Loki will be far far more than phasing. He will be undetectable and in more than one place, superman freezing or fire blasting a being that he can see does not relate to superman coming even remotely close to knowing where loki is. Loki has hidden himself from Odin and Hemidall, superman would be childs play for loki.
I forgot this is CBR Loki. Good job reminding me.

Originally posted by JBL
Loki will be far far more than phasing. He will be undetectable and in more than one place, superman freezing or fire blasting a being that he can see does not relate to superman coming even remotely close to knowing where loki is. Loki has hidden himself from Odin and Hemidall, superman would be childs play for loki.

His freeze breath was shown to be completely useless against more powerful ghosts and those things are hardly comparable to Loki's mystical power.

Not that they are relevant. Being able to freeze the Ghost Soldiers because they are still made up of particles has nothing to do with Loki who can become completely ethereal.

Hahaha. Oh god, he actually believes the BS he spoutes.

Even Superman's partial freezing tactic did not work on the more powerful ghosts:
http://s1.postimg.org/sk3ra97bz/Action_Comics_030_2014_Digital_Nahga_Empire.jpg

Or did I miss an encounter?

So basically, Superman can't hit Loki with a blitz if he goes intangible, and could only possibly hit him with freeze breath... Possibly. Along with his reflexes and the like, not too sure how Superman could blitz Loki.

I don't know what everyone else is talking about but all I said was Superman isn't blitzing Loki. Not offensive tactics for Loki to take

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus


Even Superman's partial freezing tactic did not work on the more powerful ghosts:
http://s1.postimg.org/sk3ra97bz/Action_Comics_030_2014_Digital_Nahga_Empire.jpg

Or did I miss an encounter?
Yes, the fact that Loki isn't a ghost and they weren't . Superman can hit Loki with HV too and going by what happened to Doomsday, it wouldn't be pretty.


Also I like how based on a very few reaction speed from Loki where he diverted radio waves or whatever, Superman isn't able to blitz Loki.

If Loki's isn't a "ghost" then why did you reference them to justify harming Loki while intangible?



Talk about wanting to have your cake and eat it too.

Heat vision barely damaged Ghost soldier. Why would it do anything to Loki? Are you comparing the two?

Loki's ethereal from has not only traversed entire galaxies instantly but dimensional distances as well. Not to mention the soldier still has particles and such even while intangible.

On a good day, he's been undetectable to the greatest of senses.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
If Loki's isn't a "ghost" then why did you reference them to justify harming Loki while intangible? Because intangibility isn't like strength. You can't be more intangible than a fully phased being.

Like you do in every thread?

Ghost soldier was easily slugging it out with Superman. And a HV blast which burned Doomsday to crisp would **** Loki's shit up. Thor has beaten an amped Loki (although the amp was fading) in 58 seconds FFS.

So he would run away now? Good for him I guess. So? It was stated that everything has particles and he was a ghost. You don't get more intangible than that.

On a good day, Superman might knock him out before Loki can even think what's going on.

loki's a frost giant so freezing him seems pointless

Originally posted by psycho gundam
loki's a frost giant so freezing him seems pointless
So does freezing a ghost. It still turns them tangible for Superman to beat them up.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I forgot this is CBR Loki. Good job reminding me.

YOUR OWN WORDS...
This isn't a comic where the characters forget their powers. Its a forum where the characters would "use their abilities to best in character" means if Superman has shown to blitz characters in character, he can do that untill hulk goes down. He wouldn't stop after a few punches so that hulk would punch him.





LMAO!! So superman gets to fight the way you want him to fight ( forum fighting ) but to save superman, loki does not..lmao!!!

Here bill thinks loki is in front of him.... What a surprise he got.
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Fights/LokivsThorCorps02.jpg

Originally posted by JBL
YOUR OWN WORDS...
This isn't a comic where the characters forget their powers. Its a forum where the characters would "use their abilities to best in character" means if Superman has shown to blitz characters in character, he can do that untill hulk goes down. He wouldn't stop after a few punches so that hulk would punch him.





LMAO!! So superman gets to fight the way you want him to fight ( forum fighting ) but to save superman, loki does not..lmao!!!
Yes, I said that. Now all you have to do is find a fight where Loki goes intangible, undetectable and fights that way to the end. Should be an easy task for somebody like you.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, I said that. Now all you have to do is find a fight where Loki goes intangible, undetectable and fights that way to the end. Should be an easy task for somebody like you. Will we ever be friends?

Originally posted by JBL
Will we ever be friends?
With your attitude? Not likely.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
But Loki is consistently shown to be fast, or have Godlike reflexes. So much so in fact that the speed of his thought manifested itself into its own identity that had a race with Loki. That Loki can grab a speeding Silver Surfer out of the air, that Loki can race around the world with Silver Surfer, etc.

Loki even displaying speed as few times as you think is not compared to Spider-Man kicking the shit out of a herald level being even without factoring in context. One is simply being fast going by a few appearances. One is beating the butts out of a herald level being taken in a vacuum and applying it to every thread. If you don't see the difference between using a few feats to say he can react to someone and using one feat to say Spider-Man is herald level then I don't know what to tell you.
Not to mention you're using zero consistency to say Superman can throw 1000 punches in the blink of an eye in another thread. Yet you have issues with Loki who isn't even a main character mind you having spread out speed feats. Speed feats that are very much there, but are again used when he needs them.

There's also the part where Superman probably has a comparable number of battles to Loki already, so...

No, he hasn't consistently shown it. He's had way more appearances. Trying to imply he has godlike reflexes is basically ignoring his overall portrayals. Why? Why the huge need to ignore his portrayals and lowball Supes? Is this a specific board thing?

So would you have Flash using the IMP?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So would you have Flash using the IMP?

You mean, do I feel Flash can run up to a dude at FTL speeds and then punch them? Yeah..why not? Dude has shown FTL speeds a boatload of times. You realize that is all the IMP is, right? Just him going so fast he attains "infinite mass" or whatever. Which is just Flash running up to a dude at lightspeed or quicker. It's what he did to Zum.

Please don't compare that to a character being around for 50 years showing speed once in a blue moon. Flash has gone lightspeed on so many occasions it is not even funny. Don't compare that to Loki's "twice in 50 years" thing. We can also ignore the fact Flashes ENTIRE CHARACTER centers around super speed. While Loki's..does not.

Great another h1 on the board

Originally posted by Insane Titan
Great another h1 on the board

Yes, and you realize you don't make this board look good with these little obnoxious comments, right?

Seriously, if you guys get this pissy over things like "Superman will use his speed!" and "Loki doesn't have godlike reflexes because he doesn't consistently show it" then why do you guys even bother with a comic versus forum? Why bother if you are just going to spout bullshit about how certain characters won't use their powers fully or fight smart, but characters YOU want to win totally will..and then when someone disagree's, it's the same bullshit like "oh another h1" or something.

You don't got anything to say besides that? Keep it to yourself then. I don't know who H1 is, but if he actually brought logic and common sense here, then we need him back desperately.

Originally posted by Surtur
No, he hasn't consistently shown it. He's had way more appearances. Trying to imply he has godlike reflexes is basically ignoring his overall portrayals. Why? Why the huge need to ignore his portrayals and lowball Supes? Is this a specific board thing? You're ignoring every speed feat so your opinion on consistently shouldn't even be discussed.
And yes he has more appearances, but many of those are of him doing nothing, or being a Kid. The amount of fights he actually has compare to the number of fights Nu Superman has. Thus allowing showings for his speed. And he has many speed showings, blitzing Surtur, running across dimensions, dancing around Thor in addition to what I said. None of these count because of your made up skewed thinking of consistency.

Your point about Superman is retarded. I'm not lowballing Superman or ignoring his portrayals, I'm only focused on Loki. And that's literally exactly what you're doing to Loki. Which makes me think you're trolling with such a line.

I don't know how legitimate you are, but even if, your points are nonsense. Not worth the time.

Originally posted by Surtur
I don't know who H1 is, but if he actually brought logic and common sense here, then we need him back desperately. Well, that answers that.

Originally posted by Surtur
Yes, and you realize you don't make this board look good with these little obnoxious comments, right?

Seriously, if you guys get this pissy over things like "Superman will use his speed!" and "Loki doesn't have godlike reflexes because he doesn't consistently show it" then why do you guys even bother with a comic versus forum? Why bother if you are just going to spout bullshit about how certain characters won't use their powers fully or fight smart, but characters YOU want to win totally will..and then when someone disagree's, it's the same bullshit like "oh another h1" or something.

You don't got anything to say besides that? Keep it to yourself then. I don't know who H1 is, but if he actually brought logic and common sense here, then we need him back desperately.
Calm down bro, Titan is just that much "cheerful" all the time. And this is the real beauty of this forum.

And you haven't seen the debates around here if you think that's what goes on here.

Originally posted by Surtur
Yes, and you realize you don't make this board look good with these little obnoxious comments, right?

Seriously, if you guys get this pissy over things like "Superman will use his speed!" and "Loki doesn't have godlike reflexes because he doesn't consistently show it" then why do you guys even bother with a comic versus forum? Why bother if you are just going to spout bullshit about how certain characters won't use their powers fully or fight smart, but characters YOU want to win totally will..and then when someone disagree's, it's the same bullshit like "oh another h1" or something.

You don't got anything to say besides that? Keep it to yourself then. I don't know who H1 is, but if he actually brought logic and common sense here, then we need him back desperately. nah you've got it wrong son, were just bored of the nonsense brought here that doesn't use actual regular showings of a character and a made up CBR version.

Calm down kid don't get upset

Originally posted by abhilegend
Calm down bro, Titan is just that much "cheerful" all the time. And this is the real beauty of this forum.

And you haven't seen the debates around here if you think that's what goes on here.

Okay bro, the real beauty of this forum is people acting like elitist pricks? That is what you find beautiful?

The real agenda, is that we hate Superman. Myself, especially. Pr is well know for his anti-Superman bias, and it's only Bada who stands, a shining tiny-armed beacon of hope, against the tides of MarvelZombies.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
nah you've got it wrong son,

First off, no, don't pull this bullshit. You have no room calling anyone son here. Only little boys pull that.



It is astounding you come spouting shit about regular showings in a thread people are trying to say Loki has legit super speed in.

It is also astounding you talk about CBR, when your rules here seem more or less copied and pasted right from there.

Originally posted by Badabing
Punching him to orbit, tearing him in half, puny god slam (ala Hulk), etc. biscuits



https://newsmanone.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/hulk-v-loki-2.gif

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
The real agenda, is that we hate Superman. Myself, especially. Pr is well know for his anti-Superman bias, and it's only Bada who stands, a shining tiny-armed beacon of hope, against the tides of MarvelZombies.

Nah, I'd say you hate logic more then anything else.

Originally posted by Surtur
Nah, I'd say you hate logic more then anything else.

That too.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Well, that answers that. yup sure does.

Lol at Abhi defending his sock account

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
You're ignoring every speed feat so your opinion on consistently shouldn't even be discussed.

He doesn't have consistent feats.



Nothing you just said showed consistent godlike speed.



Loki didn't consistently show this speed. Your reasons for why he doesn't need many feats just don't make any sense, and yet my point is retarded.



If it's not worth the time then why reply?

Originally posted by Surtur
First off, no, don't pull this bullshit. You have no room calling anyone son here. Only little boys pull that.



It is astounding you come spouting shit about regular showings in a thread people are trying to say Loki has legit super speed in.

It is also astounding you talk about CBR, when your rules here seem more or less copied and pasted right from there. ha ha me been a bully you've talked down to everyone since your first post.

Couldn't care less about the Loki point I'm bothered about yours as you've done this ignorant stance in other thread.

Lol the rules ain't the same it's simply to understand

Originally posted by Insane Titan
ha ha me been a bully you've talked down to everyone since your first post.

Nope, I replied saying characters would use their speed. I only "talked down" once the non-sense logic was brought in. There was no reason for me to talk down in the beginning, because I assumed common sense was being applied to characters with super speed.



Do you know what words mean? I'm not ignoring anything. Kinda the opposite, I'm not ignoring powers.



Dude, most of the rules seem like they were copy and pasted from CBR. OR that CBR copied and pasted the rules from here. I don't know which came first, please..the only big difference is a woeful misunderstanding about the differences between PIS and CIS.

Originally posted by Surtur
Okay bro, the real beauty of this forum is people acting like elitist pricks? That is what you find beautiful?
That's mostly Titan and Bran, the rest of the guys are pretty cool.Originally posted by Insane Titan
yup sure does.

Lol at Abhi defending his sock account
See? Titan randomly insults everybody. Its like he can't sleep if he doesn't insults someone on internet.

Originally posted by abhilegend
That's mostly Titan and Bran, the rest of the guys are pretty cool.
See? Titan randomly insults everybody. Its like he can't sleep if he doesn't insults someone on internet.

Yes, I'm starting to understand now. I guess the real change here is knowing who to actually take seriously.

Fine.

Have you got examples, Surtur, of Superman using his speed in fightsfrom the get go?

EEspecially with new villains he has not encountered before? Shouldbe simple and we can put this debate to rest.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Fine.

Have you got examples, Surtur, of Superman using his speed in fightsfrom the get go?

EEspecially with new villains he has not encountered before? Shouldbe simple and we can put this debate to rest.

How can we put the debate to rest when you already use faulty logic? Superman doesn't blitz due to PIS. Nu hasn't been around that long, so you won't find many examples of the specific thing you are looking for. The point is he has shown super speed and has no reason not to use it. This, "we need a scan of every specific thing he can possibly do in a fight" is weird. Post crisis Supes sure as hell was known to use it, but this isn't post crisis Supes.

Though then using your logic, I have to ask: Nu Superman, is he strong enough to throw a car into space? Keep in mind there are no scans of this. Not one, so I guess that means he can't? See, because if you think he can, it means you'd have to be using other feats to extrapolate what he can do, but that is apparently a no no.

Though, if you merely want to sit there and say "Loki wins because his opponent just doesn't use his powers to their fullest" well..meh, I'm fine with that, though it doesn't really tell us much about how powerful Loki is overall. I see no point in debating when a character is only going to half use their powers. Who wants to see Loki fight a Superman who is half assing it, would you?

Still don't see, even if Supes does use his super speed, how he's going to tell the real Loki from the illusion. Or how he's going to be attacking Loki while Loki sends monsters to attack innocents. Loki is thousands of years old, the God of Mischief, while Supes is still vulnerable to magic - in fact, Thor would probably do much better against Loki than Supes would. At least he knows what to expect. Nothing about Supes' character indicates that he would charge in with fists swinging - that's totally against his M.O. Loki, on the other hand, has loads of experience dealing with strong boyscouts flying around really fast.

Originally posted by Surtur
How can we put the debate to rest when you already use faulty logic? Superman doesn't blitz due to PIS. Nu hasn't been around that long, so you won't find many examples of the specific thing you are looking for. The point is he has shown super speed and has no reason not to use it. This, "we need a scan of every specific thing he can possibly do in a fight" is weird. Post crisis Supes sure as hell was known to use it, but this isn't post crisis Supes. Irony overload

Originally posted by abhilegend
That's mostly Titan and Bran, the rest of the guys are pretty cool.
See? Titan randomly insults everybody. Its like he can't sleep if he doesn't insults someone on internet. come back to me when I stoop to your lvls to insult ppl you coward piece of shit.

And the irony of you calling me , you get a pre warning in virtually every thread you debate in because of insults and lowballs

Originally posted by Surtur
Yes, I'm starting to understand now. I guess the real change here is knowing who to actually take seriously.
Pro-tip: Never mention speed in a superman vs a marvel character thread. It makes marvel fans violently upset and creates hilarious scenarios where some thor fans try to equate Thor's speed feats to Superman's speed feats.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Fine.

Have you got examples, Surtur, of Superman using his speed in fightsfrom the get go?

EEspecially with new villains he has not encountered before? Shouldbe simple and we can put this debate to rest.
Villains? Try heroes.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/8893084/25.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/8893106/26.jpg.html

And I doubt Loki has even a fraction of speed feats like Hal does.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
come back to me when I stoop to your lvls to insult ppl you coward piece of shit.

And the irony of you calling me , you get a pre warning in virtually every thread you debate in because of insults and lowballs


Never change titan, never change.

Yay, an actual response that acknowledges Superman won't sit there and not use his speed.

Originally posted by Dreampanther
Still don't see, even if Supes does use his super speed, how he's going to tell the real Loki from the illusion. Or how he's going to be attacking Loki while Loki sends monsters to attack innocents.

Here is the problem, you say if he uses his seed how can he tell illusions. Thing is, if he uses his speed Loki won't have time to create illusions.



To a point, yes. Though people tend to make mistakes and think he is as vulnerable to it as any normal person. They even did this with post crisis Supes.



Which comic does Superman discuss his M.O and talk about how he'd just never charge in with his fists? People assume he is against it because he is against killing, but why?

Okay, please explain to me the following logic: Superman is a nice guy, yes? Not just a normal nice guy, but pretty friggin nice. He would want to minimize casualties and collateral damage in a fight, right? I think you can agree that is within his personality. So, with all that in mind, why wouldn't he want to end a fight as quickly as possible? People seem to think he has this fetish where he loves getting hit by powerful attacks, but no..that isn't the case.

Or, to take it one step further, basic knowledge tells us Loki is a magic user. If Superman knows he is vulnerable to magic and is facing a magic user..why is he not using his speed to prevent the person wielding a force he is vulnerable to from using that power to kill him? You would have to believe Superman has a death wish.

Originally posted by abhilegend


Never change titan, never change. no actual answer, knew I was right.

Hiding is your thing

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Fine.

Have you got examples, Surtur, of Superman using his speed in fightsfrom the get go?

EEspecially with new villains he has not encountered before? Shouldbe simple and we can put this debate to rest.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/lokis_abriel/64gd4k.png


http://borgdotcom.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/justice-league-2-interior.jpg?w=390&h=453

Source JLA #1 AND 2

This is the first time they meet

Originally posted by Insane Titan
come back to me when I stoop to your lvls to insult ppl

I only insulted those who insulted me.



To quote another poster: irony overload. Seriously, who the hell are you? Just some douchebag who popped in talking shit, calling me "son", which is all kinds of hilarious in and of itself, and then you try to say I'm insulting people. How is that fantasy world you live in? Is it fun? Are there butterscotch rivers and houses made of gingerbread?



Yes, definite Irony Overload here.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Pro-tip: Never mention speed in a superman vs a marvel character thread. It makes marvel fans violently upset and creates hilarious scenarios where some thor fans try to equate Thor's speed feats to Superman's speed feats.

Ah, so it is a Marvel fanboy thing. Okay, that makes a lot of sense because DC tends to have more people with high end super speed. People tend to whine about the dreaded "DC Speedblitz", as if lowballing the characters makes it better.

Though Marvel has more cosmics and also a whole shitload of telepaths so it evens out, but you certainly wouldn't see me throwing a b*tch fit if a Marvel telepath beat a DC telepath.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Irony overload

No, you are totally right, I see the error of my ways now. Whenever a character with super speed goes up against a Marvel character..it's best if people just shut up and give the Marvel character the win. This is taken up to 11 when Superman is involved.

With that in mind, yeah, Loki wins this..godlike reflexes,etc. Shadowcat totally stomps Superman too because..umm..logic and stuff.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
no actual answer, knew I was right.

Hiding is your thing
If that's what you think and it makes you happy, you're free to think so.Originally posted by Surtur
I only insulted those who insulted me.



To quote another poster: irony overload. Seriously, who the hell are you? Just some douchebag who popped in talking shit, calling me "son", which is all kinds of hilarious in and of itself, and then you try to say I'm insulting people. How is that fantasy world you live in? Is it fun? Are there butterscotch rivers and houses made of gingerbread?



Yes, definite Irony Overload here.
Umm, that was targeted towards me. Not you.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/lokis_abriel/64gd4k.png


http://borgdotcom.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/justice-league-2-interior.jpg?w=390&h=453

Source JLA #1 AND 2

This is the first time they meet

That's good. And I was expecting those scans.

Five years later (or however long it was after JL1&2): does Supes calm down?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
That's good. And I was expecting those scans.

Five years later (or however long it was after JL1&2): does Supes calm down?
Seeing how he bullrushed Shazam? Not likely.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
That's good. And I was expecting those scans.

Five years later (or however long it was after JL1&2): does Supes calm down?

He has more showings than that, those were handy and that is why I posted them.

This DCNU Superman uses his speed more than NE Superman.

But there is more than those two, my friend.

I could look for them, but honestly I don't feel like dabating I have become quite lazy at it now a days, maybe is just a phase.

That is why I barely post, I actually been more concentrated in reading more, anyhow, yes there are more than those two from five years ago

Originally posted by Surtur
No, you are totally right, I see the error of my ways now. Whenever a character with super speed goes up against a Marvel character..it's best if people just shut up and give the Marvel character the win. This is taken up to 11 when Superman is involved.

With that in mind, yeah, Loki wins this..godlike reflexes,etc. Shadowcat totally stomps Superman too because..umm..logic and stuff. What are you even talking about? I never even said Loki wins, just that he has feats to resist being blitzed. Nothing more, nothing less. Deflect bias onto me though, it certainly appears I'm the one who's bias in this instance...

And your post is just as applicable to Loki as it is to Superman. Which I find it funny how you are defending Superman mirroring the same logic I've been repeating for a couple pages.
Here, let me tweak your post to show you exactly how ironic your post is:
Originally posted by Surtur
How can we put the debate to rest when you already use faulty logic? Loki doesn't use speed due to PIS. Loki doesn't have many fights, so you won't find many examples of the specific thing you are looking for. The point is he has shown super speed and has no reason not to use it. This, "we need a scan of every specific thing he can possibly do in a fight" is weird. *Different character with superspeed* sure as hell was known to use it, but this is Loki.

And that's under the assumption that your "consistency" angle is correct. Which means your logic goes against the entire reason you don't believe Loki has superspeed.

Though here's an interesting scenario to consider considering your "Marvel vs DC angle" you suddenly adopted. Imagine one person says Superman can blitz Loki and defeat him in the blink of an eye. Now another poster states that Loki can react using quite a few examples, and is not going against the notion that Superman can or will blitz, nor against Superman winning for that matter. Now, the first poster says that Loki's superspeed doesn't count because it's not consistent enough no matter how many examples are brought forth. All without using any of Superman's examples of speed.
So basically the first poster is outright ignoring evidence, while spouting off that everyone else is bias.

Who appears to be bias in this scenario?

I could see stating that Loki's speed doesn't measure up, but that is not what you're doing. You're outright ignoring every speed feat from Loki to fit into your preconceived notion of what he should be like. Apparently Loki blatantly loses all his reflexes because you think he hasn't shown it enough when it's more easily explained that he hasn't needed it enough to show it (though again, he has shown it).

Originally posted by Surtur
Ah, so it is a Marvel fanboy thing. Okay, that makes a lot of sense because DC tends to have more people with high end super speed. People tend to whine about the dreaded "DC Speedblitz", as if lowballing the characters makes it better.

Though Marvel has more cosmics and also a whole shitload of telepaths so it evens out, but you certainly wouldn't see me throwing a b*tch fit if a Marvel telepath beat a DC telepath. yeah it's a Marvel bias thing, because no one mocks posters who try and use Surfer blitzing ppl at ftl speeds fining black hole blasts or Gladiator doing the same with planet destroying punches

Originally posted by Surtur
I only insulted those who insulted me.



To quote another poster: irony overload. Seriously, who the hell are you? Just some douchebag who popped in talking shit, calling me "son", which is all kinds of hilarious in and of itself, and then you try to say I'm insulting people. How is that fantasy world you live in? Is it fun? Are there butterscotch rivers and houses made of gingerbread?



Yes, definite Irony Overload here. that post you replied to was for Abhi.

Strange you replied? Must of forgot to switch accounts

Okay, I think I understand your point, and even agree - if Supes knows Loki is behind the attacks on civilians, and suspects that by taking Loki out the attacks will stop, then obviously he would be a fool not to.

Going back to the original scenario, my problem understanding the encounter is there are no details given for the fight. So, there are a few ways the encounter can take place:

One, kind of like a duel: Both are angry at each other, charge and clash, and Supes win because he is stronger and faster.

Two, Loki is messing with Supes for some reason, which means he knows about Supes' speed and strength, HV and ice breath, as well as his vulnerabilities to magic and Krypton - and in this case it will by no means be a walkover. In fact, I see Loki getting away with his tricks for quite a while - he can go intangible, invisible, open portals to bring monsters to help him, find magic weapons and armor to protect himself and hurt Supes - hell, he can probably even find Kryptonite somewhere, by making buddies with Lex or traveling through space and time to find it. In this version, I think Supes is gonna neef help, from the JLA or from Thor. Even Thor needed help dealing with Loki, once Loki actually set his plans in motion.

Third way, Loki is attacking Earth or trying to take it over or something, but doesn't know about Supes or Thor brings him through to Marvel Earth to help him against Loki. This seems the most plausible, and the most likely.

In this case, I see a pretty decent fight developing. Unless Supes gets lucky and catches Loki unawares, I don't see him taking Loki out that quickly. Loki likes his illusions, both in comics and the movies. He usually has a trick or three up his sleeve. However, in this instance I don't see him able to keep Supes down for very long, as he won't know about Kryptonite. He would be able to hurt Supes, sure, using magic attacks, but in the end Supes is a character designed to take whatever is dealt out to him. He'll survive, endure, and once Loki runs out of tricks, he'll take him down.

Still, it should be a decent fight...

Originally posted by Insane Titan
yup sure does.

Lol at Abhi defending his sock account

he even does that bold thing...

Originally posted by Dreampanther
Still don't see, even if Supes does use his super speed, how he's going to tell the real Loki from the illusion. Or how he's going to be attacking Loki while Loki sends monsters to attack innocents. Loki is thousands of years old, the God of Mischief, while Supes is still vulnerable to magic - in fact, Thor would probably do much better against Loki than Supes would. At least he knows what to expect. Nothing about Supes' character indicates that he would charge in with fists swinging - that's totally against his M.O. Loki, on the other hand, has loads of experience dealing with strong boyscouts flying around really fast.



Originally posted by Rao Kal El
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/lokis_abriel/64gd4k.png


http://borgdotcom.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/justice-league-2-interior.jpg?w=390&h=453

Source JLA #1 AND 2

This is the first time they meet

he was already attacked by Hal though?

Originally posted by abhilegend
That's mostly Titan and Bran, the rest of the guys are pretty cool.
See? Titan randomly insults everybody. Its like he can't sleep if he doesn't insults someone on internet.

Titan has a right to be pissed at you...

actually no, he wasn't attacked by hal at that point yet.

Originally posted by emporerpants
actually no, he wasn't attacked by hal at that point yet.

Hal had him in a bubble

Originally posted by Insane Titan
that post you replied to was for Abhi.

Strange you replied? Must of forgot to switch accounts

Originally posted by maxivitopowe
Hal had him in a bubble

Nope!

That was after

Originally posted by Insane Titan
that post you replied to was for Abhi.

Strange you replied? Must of forgot to switch accounts

Originally posted by abhilegend
Because intangibility isn't like strength. You can't be more intangible than a fully phased being.

Like you do in every thread?

Ghost soldier was easily slugging it out with Superman. And a HV blast which burned Doomsday to crisp would **** Loki's shit up. Thor has beaten an amped Loki (although the amp was fading) in 58 seconds FFS.

So he would run away now? Good for him I guess. So? It was stated that everything has particles and he was a ghost. You don't get more intangible than that.

On a good day, Superman might knock him out before Loki can even think what's going on.

Oh my god.

It was established in that very issue that power can affect their level of intangibility:
http://s1.postimg.org/sk3ra97bz/Action_Comics_030_2014_Digital_Nahga_Empire.jpg

Not to mention there is a difference between someone vibrating their molecules or something, and Loki turning ethereal.

Slugging it out implies they were equals in strength or something. He used speed/flight and intangibility to f*ck up Superman. Literally with the most basic of Loki's tricks, he was giving Clark hell.

Durability feats for that Doomsday superior to Loki?

Not before Loki's god like reflexes kick in.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Nope!

That was after
then what the hell did he smash out of?

Supes

This battle is tricky.
Both have basic knowledge of each other.
Supes knows that Loki is a high level magic user and uses misdirection (superman knows mythology and that Loki is the God is mischief).

Loki knows Superman is strong and fast.

So the question would be how would this fight start.
Well Superman knowing his vulnerability to magic will decide to use his speed and hv.

Loki knowing that Supes is fast and very strong will probably try to go intangible (his best bet).
If Loki succeeds then he has the edge if or when Superman slows down.
If Loki gets popped before he goes intangible the Superman has the edge.
The question is: how fast can Loki become intangible? The speed of willing oneself isn't the speed of becoming. The whole process could take 1-3 sec for all we know.

I'm undecided on this fight as of yet. IMO I think Supes pops Loki before he does an action in 6/10 fights.

Now it is funny how some posters change their style. In some threads they argue how characters usually fight in a comic (ignoring PIS). But when it's against a character they are against they argue speed, reflexes, etc when the character has shown it less than a handful of times in over 50 years of comics.

Also having Godlike reflexes (whatever that means) or even superhuman reflexes doesn't mean one can react to a high level Superman movement.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
yup sure does.

Lol at Abhi defending his sock account It's probably NVR aka "Man-beast" aka "The siren who's serenade beckons all windy city dignitaries."

Originally posted by Insane Titan
that post you replied to was for Abhi.

Strange you replied? Must of forgot to switch accounts

Don't accuse people of socking, thanks.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Oh my god. Your first time with a lady I presume?



"Stronger", not more intangible. That's some shitty reading comprehension on your part.

So Loki is more ethereal than ****ing ghosts?

It doesn't. Untill Superman actually beat him. Not the other way around. And Loki doesn't fights like that.

Hahaha, seriously? Doomsday just beat the shit out of Mongul and Non together and broke Phantom Zone itself.

Just like Thor, right? If Superman is trying to blitz Loki, there is nothing Loki can do. Your own words, not mine.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
And yes, if you take his speed feats at face value, Thor would not be able to land a punch on Superman.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Your first time with a lady I presume?

"Stronger", not more intangible. That's some shitty reading comprehension on your part.

So Loki is more ethereal than ****ing ghosts?

It doesn't. Untill Superman actually beat him. Not the other way around. And Loki doesn't fights like that.

Hahaha, seriously? Doomsday just beat the shit out of Mongul and Non together and broke Phantom Zone itself.

Just like Thor, right? If Superman is trying to blitz Loki, there is nothing Loki can do. Your own words, not mine.



Superman tried freezing these new Ghosts like he did Ghost Soldier. It did not work and he specified they were stronger than before.

Why do you think that implies?

If Superman cannot affect more powerful Ghosts, what he can do to Loki's far more powerful magic?

You're wrongly assuming that because he fights Thor in close combat so often, that means he'll fight Superman. He won't try and trade blows with him.

Yes, I am serious. You want to assume that Superman's heat vision will melt Loki or something because it incinerated Superman.

Let me have some durability feats for Doomsday please.

Correction, that was me IIRC referring to an all-out Superman, Post Crisis Superman as a matter of fact, in direct combat. Loki doesn't have to throw a punch faster to use his god like reflexes for defense.

Originally posted by maxivitopowe
then what the hell did he smash out of?

A construct Hal formed around Batman for "protection"

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus


Superman tried freezing these new Ghosts like he did Ghost Soldier. It did not work and he specified they were stronger than before. They broke out of the ice prison, hence being stronger. Not that it didn't work on them. Seriously?

That you can't read.

Freeze him and punch him out. Unlike the ghosts.

Of course he would. That's how he fights.

I know. At that level? It would ****ing incinerate Loki. Doomsday was above top tier and Loki isn't that level physically.

Durability is proportionate to strength. Nobody asks how durable Kurse is, do they?

Superman would blitz the **** out of Loki if he tried to. Loki is after all a small god of a small world. And Godlike reflexes means shit compared to beings like Superman and Flash.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, I said that. Now all you have to do is find a fight where Loki goes intangible, undetectable and fights that way to the end. Should be an easy task for somebody like you. So you want me to show you loki going intangible and undetectable and fighting that way to the end in a comic YET at the same time YOU claim that superman would blitz the hulk and punch him super fast and not let up throughout the fight in YOUR made up battle?????? So superman can do that to the end but loki cannot???? As long as its superman, its ok to say he will fight that way ALL through the comic???? BUTTTT its a sin for other characters to do it????? I NEED A DRINK BAD!

Originally posted by JBL
So you want me to show you loki going intangible and undetectable and fighting that way to the end in a comic YET at the same time YOU claim that superman would blitz the hulk and punch him super fast and not let up throughout the fight in YOUR made up battle?????? So superman can do that to the end but loki cannot???? As long as its superman, its ok to say he will fight that way ALL through the comic???? BUTTTT its a sin for other characters to do it????? I NEED A DRINK BAD!
Really? You're equating Superman actually doing something in combat to something you thought upon CBR?

Originally posted by JBL
So you want me to show you loki going intangible and undetectable and fighting that way to the end in a comic YET at the same time YOU claim that superman would blitz the hulk and punch him super fast and not let up throughout the fight in YOUR made up battle?????? So superman can do that to the end but loki cannot???? As long as its superman, its ok to say he will fight that way ALL through the comic???? BUTTTT its a sin for other characters to do it????? I NEED A DRINK BAD!

What things can Loki actually do to Superman while intangible? Any RELEVANT feats showing what he can do to Superman while intangible?

I agree with your stance here. I believe it's a good chance Loki will try to go intangible. Superman could hit him before that happens though. But will he? I'm not sure. Loki fighting the whole fight while intangible makes sense if he can do everything intangible that he can do tangible. If he can't then he will not fight the whole fight intangible.

I agree that Superman won't use his utmost speed if he feels he doesn't need to. But if Superman sees that is the only way to win (or without much damage done to him) then he will.

Loki is not one shotting Superman for sure. Especially given the feats of magical resistance Superman has. But Loki will affect Superman well. Loki seems to have a glass jaw though. He can be easily knocked out by sufficient force. So the question is: how likely is it that Superman will land a critical blow on Loki?

Maybe you need to read this:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f98/t551221.html

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Maybe you need to read this:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f98/t551221.html

I did, or seen most of them anyway. They support my stance. Thor can stagger the hell out of Loki with a Mjolnir strike. Using Loki's highest durability showings implies using Superman's highest strength showings. In that case, Superman one shots Loki. I won't go there though. So let's say that Superman can critically rock the hell out of Loki if he is semi serious.

Was more in answer to your question, can he cast spells whilst intangible.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Was more in answer to your question, can he cast spells whilst intangible. NO! Loki has many other powers outside of spell casting. I said, can he do EVERYTHING (not some things) while intangible as he can tangible?

What specific spells could Loki cast that can affect Superman, especially if Superman is not sitting in one spot?

Superman rips him in half, I like Loki, but its game over after this latest showing.