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If Super Saiyan 3 Goku stood in one spot and allowed first form Frieza to unleash two of his most powerful attacks on him (Goku can brace), can Goku survive the attack?

Next contestant...Super Saiyan 2 Gohan.

Destructo Disk kills both. Frieza reigns supreme.

We dont know nobody has tanked a planet buster attack in dbz. Logic says they would at least be hurt

Originally posted by yungz22
We dont know nobody has tanked a planet buster attack in dbz. Logic says they would at least be hurt A fcked Frieza survived a planet exploding in his face. Every character past Saiyan Saga could live through a planet buster since Vegeta's most powerful attack at the time would be able to blow up a planet.

Originally posted by TheTyrant
A fcked Frieza survived a planet exploding in his face. Every character past Saiyan Saga could live through a planet buster since Vegeta's most powerful attack at the time would be able to blow up a planet.

Frieza didnt tank a ki busting attack he jus faced a planet exploding.... We dont know if they would die but being harmed is definitely a reasonable notion

Originally posted by TheTyrant
A fcked Frieza survived a planet exploding in his face. Every character past Saiyan Saga could live through a planet buster since Vegeta's most powerful attack at the time would be able to blow up a planet.

But Goku didn't live past Cell's planet buster, the Z fighters didn't live past Buu's planet buster.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
But Goku didn't live past Cell's planet buster, the Z fighters didn't live past Buu's planet buster.

So Frieza planet buster can kill them? You are naming people killing other people that us more powerful than them.

Originally posted by carver9
So Frieza planet buster can kill them? You are naming people killing other people that us more powerful than them.

Vegeta and goku both hurt cell with planet busting attacks and both were weaker than him infact if cell didnt have regen he would have died from both attacks.


Again its possible that he could die since we havent seen anyone tank a pb we dont know most we know is that he would def be hurt.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
But Goku didn't live past Cell's planet buster, the Z fighters didn't live past Buu's planet buster.

It's sad that his planet buster was on Kai's planet and Cell was only in his second form when he killed Goku. It should have been an easy kill for Goku but instead he died to his second form.

With his SSJ3 form and Gohan's SSJ2 form, Frieza wouldn't last. Goku and Gohan could stop his disk and cancel out his deathballs, Goku would have a fun time driving Frieza insane with afterimages before making his kill if Frieza doesn't injure himself in the process like he did on Namek.

Even so, Cell was repeated exclaiming how it will destroy the earth. The same Cell who either brags or states that his later, stronger form can destroy the solar system, which means planet only here. We know this can kill S1Goku, and near definitely S2Gohan. Backed with the two or three other "Im using a PB attack or less on you" attacks says S1 and S2 are susceptible to Earth level PBs. Which includes Buu's one.

For S3? Well he's four times powerful then S2, so by that we can assume that whether he dies or not, its going to be highly damaging.



Then again the Disk should be enough.

Krillin's disk broke on cell. The discs are not god (granted they are amazing). Goku's Full Power SSJ Kamehameha was planet buster. Ascended Vegeta's FInal flash was planet buster. Didn't kill Cell. This is 1st form Frieza. THe power difference is astronomical. The only reason some DBZ characters die from PB in the later part of the series is that its either a very powerful character or they choke and die in the void of space.

Who did Krillen hit with a disk and it shattered on them failing to do anything?

The difference in power is so mindblowing it's amazing that people think Frieza would even get either of these two to notice him.

Originally posted by Damborgson
The difference in power is so mindblowing it's amazing that people think Frieza would even get either of these two to notice him.

Thats carver for you, full of stupid questions.

Originally posted by carver9
So Frieza planet buster can kill them? You are naming people killing other people that us more powerful than them.

The difference in power gap is like Krillen throwing the destructo disk at cell and it shattering on him.

If Freeza the whim he is, threw it at SS3 Goku, it would do the same thing.

Originally posted by Dramatic Gecko
Krillin's disk broke on cell. The discs are not god (granted they are amazing). Goku's Full Power SSJ Kamehameha was planet buster. Ascended Vegeta's FInal flash was planet buster. Didn't kill Cell. This is 1st form Frieza. THe power difference is astronomical. The only reason some DBZ characters die from PB in the later part of the series is that its either a very powerful character or they choke and die in the void of space.
Never broke in canon.

Technically Vegeta's was sub planet if we go by Trunks. And no, they did not kill Cell. But not from lack of power. Both attacks vaporized the part of Cell they touched, with the only reason him surviving being his regeneration. Without that those levels of force would have bypassed his durability, as they did, and killed him.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
The difference in power gap is like Krillen throwing the destructo disk at cell and it shattering on him.

If Freeza the whim he is, threw it at SS3 Goku, it would do the same thing.

Makes sense and this was my thought/reasoning, as well.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Never broke in canon.

Technically Vegeta's was sub planet if we go by Trunks. And no, they did not kill Cell. But not from lack of power. Both attacks vaporized the part of Cell they touched, with the only reason him surviving being his regeneration. Without that those levels of force would have bypassed his durability, as they did, and killed him.

Could Roshi moon busting attack kill Nappa?

Could Vegeta's nigh PB kill Perfect Cell without regen?

...........

Are you guys all high right now?

Frieza's foot tanked a planet buster on Namek. That doesn't compare to SSJ3 tier characters tanking reality busting attacks.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
...........

Are you guys all high right now?

Frieza's foot tanked a planet buster on Namek. That doesn't compare to SSJ3 tier characters tanking reality busting attacks.


Frieza only withstood a planet exploding not a ki planet buster theres a difference.

We dont know if it would kill ssj3 but we do know that the z fighters are susceptible to planet busterd regardless of how strong their opponents are.

Weve seen lower power level people hurt stronger characters so idk why this is so hard to believe.

Goku by himself was stronger than kid buu as he stated himself. yet he and vegeta ran away from his planet buster.

Kid buu and Cell twice have been mortally damaged by pb's and had they not had regen they would have died.

Now can frieza beat ssj3 goku in a fight? Obviously not because he could just speed blitz him or deflect frieza's attack and proceed to whoop his ass

Originally posted by yungz22
We dont know if it would kill ssj3 but we do know that the z fighters are susceptible to planet busterd regardless of how strong their opponents are.

Weve seen lower power level people hurt stronger characters so idk why this is so hard to believe.

Goku by himself was stronger than kid buu as he stated himself. yet he and vegeta ran away from his planet buster.

Kid buu and Cell twice have been mortally damaged by pb's and had they not had regen they would have died.

Now can frieza beat ssj3 goku in a fight? Obviously not because he could just speed blitz him or deflect frieza's attack and proceed to whoop his ass

So Frieza finger planet buster is equal to Cell and Buu power blast?

Originally posted by yungz22
Frieza only withstood a planet exploding not a ki planet buster theres a difference.

http://a.mpcdn.net/manga/p/280/52830/4.jpg

Hmm... That's not how I remember it.

Originally posted by yungz22
We dont know if it would kill ssj3 but we do know that the z fighters are susceptible to planet busterd regardless of how strong their opponents are.

Weve seen lower power level people hurt stronger characters so idk why this is so hard to believe.

Goku by himself was stronger than kid buu as he stated himself. yet he and vegeta ran away from his planet buster.

Kid buu and Cell twice have been mortally damaged by pb's and had they not had regen they would have died.

Now can frieza beat ssj3 goku in a fight? Obviously not because he could just speed blitz him or deflect frieza's attack and proceed to whoop his ass

Man, I swear, you shouldn't even be allowed on this forum. They shouldn't let people with downs syndrome make accounts.

http://a.mpcdn.net/manga/p/280/52907/14.jpg

It's very simple. If someone is vastly stronger than someone else, then they can typically not be hurt by the weaker person. Just like this, and many other examples I could give. We've seen Frieza kick with planet buster capability, and Vegeta do even more before becoming Super Vegeta. Cell just tanked a scalar solar system capacity kick to his phucking ear, and was smiling at how he didn't even feel it.

Just get out of here man, you're embarrassing everyone on this forum.

Originally posted by carver9
So Frieza finger planet buster is equal to Cell and Buu power blast?

Obviously. -_-

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
http://a.mpcdn.net/manga/p/280/52830/4.jpg

Hmm... That's not how I remember it.


Was that blast said to be a planet buster?

Solar system capacity kick? Where did you get that from?

And i already said that they can deflect them. So idk what your talking about.

Originally posted by carver9
So Frieza finger planet buster is equal to Cell and Buu power blast?

They can all muster up enough energy to blow up a planet its just some can blow up more than just one planet.

Example cell created a blast strong enough to blow to blow up a solar system but that doesnt mean hes stronger than kid buu who only created a planet buster attack. Im sure kid buu could have created a ss busting blast too its just that he only wanted to blow up the planet

How would you as a reader/watcher measure attack potency.

All of this rawr rawr you dun know doesn't answer if Cell, without regen, would have died to those three Earth level PB attacks.

Seeing as all three vaporized the part of him they hit...

Originally posted by yungz22
They can all muster up enough energy to blow up a planet its just some can blow up more than just one planet.

Example cell created a blast strong enough to blow to blow up a solar system but that doesnt mean hes stronger than kid buu who only created a planet buster attack. Im sure kid buu could have created a ss busting blast too its just that he only wanted to blow up the planet

How would you as a reader/watcher measure attack potency.

So Frieza can generate as much raw power as Cell and Buu with the tip of his finger (without trying)? Is this what you are telling me?

Originally posted by BloodRain
All of this rawr rawr you dun know doesn't answer if Cell, without regen, would have died to those three Earth level PB attacks.

Seeing as all three vaporized the part of him they hit...

Planet Vegeta was bigger and denser than Earth. Are you telling me that a Frieza that was only using partial of his .025% of his power can generate more power with the tip of his finger than Cell and Kidd Buu?

Size was never stated, and going by Kais planet, gravity doesn't match up so well to scale.

Anyhow, and more importantly, answer the question with an answer, not hypothetical situations. Because we already have stated facts about Cell failing three times.

Originally posted by carver9
So Frieza can generate as much raw power as Cell and Buu with the tip of his finger (without trying)? Is this what you are telling me?

Did you even read what i posted.

Both cell and buu can create what frieza did but that doesnt make frieza stronger than him. Cell and buu can do that plus much more.

Its like lifting weights two ppl might be able to lift 150 lbs but the stronger of the two can lift that and much more.


In essence both cell and buu can pb bust at the same level as friza and much more.

Originally posted by carver9
Planet Vegeta was bigger and denser than Earth. Are you telling me that a Frieza that was only using partial of his .025% of his power can generate more power with the tip of his finger than Cell and Kidd Buu?

What does planet vegetas size have to do with anything

Originally posted by BloodRain
Size was never stated, and going by Kais planet, gravity doesn't match up so well to scale.

Anyhow, and more importantly, answer the question with an answer, not hypothetical situations. Because we already have stated facts about Cell failing three times.

Nappa said Planet Vegeta was bigger.

Cell failing at what?

Originally posted by yungz22
Did you even read what i posted.

Both cell and buu can create what frieza did but that doesnt make frieza stronger than him. Cell and buu can do that plus much more.

Its like lifting weights two ppl might be able to lift 150 lbs but the stronger of the two can lift that and much more.


In essence both cell and buu can pb bust at the same level as friza and much more.

So the energy Buu used on Goku and Vegeta is equal to what Frieza used on Namek.

What about the first attack Kid Buu threw? The small blast that Vegeta deflected that was planet busting. Is that as powerful as Frieza blast as well?

Originally posted by carver9
Nappa said Planet Vegeta was bigger.

Cell failing at what?
Scan?

Failing to survive Vegeta's sub Earth buster, Goku's Earth buster, and his own Earth buster. Trunks confirms the former, the group and Cell for Goku's and Cell himself for the latter. Each time it killed* him.





*If not for his regeneration.

Originally posted by carver9
So the energy Buu used on Goku and Vegeta is equal to what Frieza used on Namek.

What about the first attack Kid Buu threw? The small blast that Vegeta deflected that was planet busting. Is that as powerful as Frieza blast as well?

Well didnt goku say the 2nd blast was strong enough to blow the plannet a couple times over.

Its possible since his first blast was only meant to blow up earth. Remember vegeta was much weaker than kid buu at that time but he still deflected it.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Scan?

Failing to survive Vegeta's sub Earth buster, Goku's Earth buster, and his own Earth buster. Trunks confirms the former, the group and Cell for Goku's and Cell himself for the latter. Each time it killed* him.





*If not for his regeneration.


Terrible argument. It was never stated that the blast that damaged cell was 'only' planet busting. Of course Earth would get destroyed...that's the planet they are fighting on but that still doesn't limit the power of their blast to Earth level. What do you expect to get destroyed during their fight? Limiting their power only to planetary just because Earth was destroyed as a side affect is clearly wrong.

I don't have the scan. It was stated during the time they first landed on earth.

Originally posted by carver9
If Super Saiyan 3 Goku stood in one spot and allowed first form Frieza to unleash two of his most powerful attacks on him (Goku can brace), can Goku survive the attack?

Next contestant...Super Saiyan 2 Gohan.
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First form Cell tanked Piccolo's strongest attack without a scratch. Frieza could attack them for the rest of their lives and they would barely notice he's there.

Originally posted by Nevan
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First form Cell tanked Piccolo's strongest attack without a scratch. Frieza could attack them for the rest of their lives and they would barely notice he's there.

Hes asking if they can tank pb's

Originally posted by yungz22
Hes asking if they can tank pb's

I'm asking if FIRST FORM Frieza could kill/hurt them. You know, the same Frieza that was using only .025% of his power during the time he destroyed Namek.

Originally posted by carver9
I'm asking if FIRST FORM Frieza could kill/hurt them. You know, the same Frieza that was using only .025% of his power during the time he destroyed Namek.

No, Goku and Gohan would laugh.

Originally posted by carver9
I'm asking if FIRST FORM Frieza could kill/hurt them. You know, the same Frieza that was using only .025% of his power during the time he destroyed Namek.

Didn't mean to say Namek...meant to say when he destroyed planet Vegeta.

Originally posted by carver9
Terrible argument. It was never stated that the blast that damaged cell was 'only' planet busting. Of course Earth would get destroyed...that's the planet they are fighting on but that still doesn't limit the power of their blast to Earth level. What do you expect to get destroyed during their fight? Limiting their power only to planetary just because Earth was destroyed as a side affect is clearly wrong.

I don't have the scan. It was stated during the time they first landed on earth.
Trunks said if Vegeta made it too powerful the Earth would be destroyed, so he lessened it. Goku's can be argued, but the same Cell who boasted solar system busting strangely enough just said the planet would bite it. Shall we keep in mind that iyo S2 characters are star system, when even S2 Gohan would have died from an attack nowhere near.

When?

Originally posted by Nevan
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First form Cell tanked Piccolo's strongest attack without a scratch. Frieza could attack them for the rest of their lives and they would barely notice he's there.

I'm trying to see what people in the anime section base their arguments off of. It seems like 95% of the people in this section of the forum debate using collateral damage and calculations and I'm trying to understand why.

Question to anyone that is reading this post. Piccolo casual blast that destroyed the moon; is it more powerful than all of the attacks Cell hit ascended Goku with?

Originally posted by BloodRain
Trunks said if Vegeta made it too powerful the Earth would be destroyed, so he lessened it. Goku's can be argued, but the same Cell who boasted solar system busting strangely enough just said the planet would bite it. Shall we keep in mind that iyo S2 characters are star system, when even S2 Gohan would have died from an attack nowhere near.

When?

And he was right, the blast would have destroyed earth just like any other DBZ character blast would have if they went all out. That doesn't limit their blasting power or durability to planetary though...that just shows us that Trunks could have killed Cell with his own power.

What proof do you have that Goku or Cell could tank moon busting power? Do you think Master Roshi could kill a Super Saiyan (if you say no, explain why)?

Originally posted by carver9
And he was right, the blast would have destroyed earth just like any other DBZ character blast would have if they went all out. That doesn't limit their blasting power or durability to planetary though...that just shows us that Trunks could have killed Cell with his own power.

What proof do you have that Goku or Cell could tank moon busting power? Do you think Master Roshi could kill a Super Saiyan (if you say no, explain why)?


How would you measure attack potency

Originally posted by yungz22
How would you measure attack potency

By the people that is being damaged. It doesnt always have to be about collateral damage, especially when it comes to DBZ characters who have 100% control of their ki.

Example. Thanos survived a planet exploding on him but yet, Odin damaged him to the point that he struggled to get up with a blast that didn't even destroy the buildings in Asgard. I can go on with this all day. Collateral damage doesn't mean a thing, especially when it comes to DBZ characters.

Originally posted by carver9
By the people that is being damaged. It doesnt always have to be about collateral damage, especially when it comes to DBZ characters who have 100% control of their ki.

Example. Thanos survived a planet exploding on him but yet, Odin damaged him to the point that he struggled to get up with a blast that didn't even destroy the buildings in Asgard. I can go on with this all day. Collateral damage doesn't mean a thing, especially when it comes to DBZ characters.

Odin uses magic which is an entire different entity.

And thanos' gauntlet allowed him to survive

Originally posted by yungz22
Odin uses magic which is an entire different entity.

And thanos' gauntlet allowed him to survive

Lol...what does that have to do with anything? Especially Since Odin was clearly blasting him. Also Galactus went all out on Thanos shields and didn't even destroy the room that they were fighting in. He even states that he is taxing himself when he was blasting Thanos but at his weakest (Galactus) he was able to shed a Galaxy. It's not always about collateral damage.

No matter what you say nobody tanks pb's in dbz they always either deflect them or run away that fact cant be argued. Everything else is just speculation

Originally posted by yungz22
No matter what you say nobody tanks pb's in dbz they always either deflect them or run away that fact cant be argued. Everything else is just speculation

So Saiyan Saga Vegeta could kill a Super Saiyan 3 as well. Also, no one in DBZ has tanked moon busting either. Can Roshi kill a Super Saiyan?

Originally posted by carver9
So Saiyan Saga Vegeta could kill a Super Saiyan 3 as well. Also, no one in DBZ has tanked moon busting either. Can Roshi kill a Super Saiyan?

Considering that it doesnt take much energy to destroy thr moon in the db universe they probably can tak those. The moon is 81x smaller than the earth

Originally posted by yungz22
Considering that it doesnt take much energy to destroy thr moon in the db universe they probably can tak those. The moon is 81x smaller than the earth

And what are you basing this off of?

Originally posted by carver9
And what are you basing this off of?

In surface area it is 7% of earths

In Volume it is 2% of earths

In mass earth is 81 times larger


http://www.universetoday.com/20489/moon-compared-to-earth/ coulda sworn i showed you this before

This has gotten so silly.

No it wont hurt Goku and Gohan, what's the trouble understanding this?

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
This has gotten so silly.

No it wont hurt Goku and Gohan, what's the trouble understanding this?

Can you show one of them tanking a pb?

All we know for sure is there reactions to them which is either to run away or deflect the attack.

Those who didnt move got hurt and had they not had regen the one that took pb's (cell and buu) would have died. And both them took damage from attacks from ppl who were weaker.

Originally posted by yungz22
In surface area it is 7% of earths

In Volume it is 2% of earths

In mass earth is 81 times larger


http://www.universetoday.com/20489/moon-compared-to-earth/ coulda sworn i showed you this before

So what proof do you have that a DBZ character can withstand that amount of power?

Originally posted by carver9
So what proof do you have that a DBZ character can withstand that amount of power?

We dont know for sure because there hasnt been any statements givin about that subject.

But by speculation id say they can tank it because it take a considerably less amount of power to destroy it because its so small

Originally posted by yungz22
We dont know for sure because there hasnt been any statements givin about that subject.

But by speculation id say they can tank it because it take a considerably less amount of power to destroy it because its so small

The moon is humongous though and Heralds usually can't withstand that amount of power without significant damage. So again, what proof do you have that Goku can withstand a moon busting power?

Originally posted by carver9
The moon is humongous though and Heralds usually can't withstand that amount of power without significant damage. So again, what proof do you have that Goku can withstand a moon busting power?

Heralds? What does have to do with dbz

Originally posted by yungz22
Heralds? What does have to do with dbz

Again...what showing are you using that states they can withstand moon busting power? This isnt a guessing game. Do you have anything proving they can withstand that type of power?

Originally posted by carver9
Again...what showing are you using that states they can withstand moon busting power? This isnt a guessing game. Do you have anything proving they can withstand that type of power?

All we can do is speculate ive said that in my first post in this thread.

One could point out the effort as a means to tell if alot of power is needed. For example piccolo busted the moon with very little effort and a casual ki blast. That same saga vegeta took a much larger charge time when it came to blowing up the earth.

That is why i think they can tank moon busters.

Pb's are a different story because like i said thry always either deflect it or run away and those that decided to stay there took fatal damage and if it werent for regen they would have died

Originally posted by yungz22
All we can do is speculate ive said that in my first post in this thread.

One could point out the effort as a means to tell if alot of power is needed. For example piccolo busted the moon with very little effort and a casual ki blast. That same saga vegeta took a much larger charge time when it came to blowing up the earth.

That is why i think they can tank moon busters.

Pb's are a different story because like i said thry always either deflect it or run away and those that decided to stay there took fatal damage and if it werent for regen they would have died

So it depends on how casually they can generate power? Kid Buu first attack was a planet buster and he casually conjured it. Does that change your answer? If not...what proof do you have that they can withstand moon busting power?

Also, when did they run from a planet destroying attack? Are you talking about the kid Buu attack.? Are you saying that Kid Buu first planet busting Ki blast was at the same power as his second blast that destroyed earth?

Originally posted by carver9
So it depends on how casually they can generate power? Kid Buu first attack was a planet buster and he casually conjured it. Does that change your answer? If not...what proof do you have that they can withstand moon busting power?

Also, when did they run from a planet destroying attack? Are you talking about the kid Buu attack.? Are you saying that Kid Buu first planet busting Ki blast was at the same power as his second blast that destroyed earth?


Your missing the point i never said anything of what your saying im saying. And ive already told you about kid buu's blasts in previous posts and what you just said was no where even close to that


Weve never seen anyone get attacked by a moon buster or at least nobody said it was one so we dont know ive already said that....

Still all in alll we have seen them react to pb's and they always either deflect, run away or take considerable damage.

Moons are nowhere near the size of the earth so it would make sense that they take less energy to destroy. This makes it easier to believe that they can withstand it. You have to realize that piccolo at that time probably had a power level of at least 1000 maybe even less because radditz had him in the 300s. Roshi obviosly was way weaker than that so it would make sense that they would be able to tank those.

Originally posted by carver9
So what proof do you have that a DBZ character can withstand that amount of power?

Freeza withstood a planet blowing up and he was cut in half and almost dead before the planet blew up, remember?

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Freeza withstood a planet blowing up and he was cut in half and almost dead before the planet blew up, remember?

I'm one of the peeps that believes these individuals can survive planet busting power...I'm asking him because I was waiting for an answer that he just gave me.

Originally posted by yungz22
Your missing the point i never said anything of what your saying im saying. And ive already told you about kid buu's blasts in previous posts and what you just said was no where even close to that


Weve never seen anyone get attacked by a moon buster or at least nobody said it was one so we dont know ive already said that....

Still all in alll we have seen them react to pb's and they always either deflect, run away or take considerable damage.

Moons are nowhere near the size of the earth so it would make sense that they take less energy to destroy. This makes it easier to believe that they can withstand it. You have to realize that piccolo at that time probably had a power level of at least 1000 maybe even less because radditz had him in the 300s. Roshi obviosly was way weaker than that so it would make sense that they would be able to tank those.

There you go, you brought up exactly what I want to hear. You believe they can survive a moon buster because of the said characters being weaker (due to power levels)?

Originally posted by carver9
Again...what showing are you using that states they can withstand moon busting power? This isnt a guessing game. Do you have anything proving they can withstand that type of power?

http://a.mpcdn.net/manga/p/280/52719/4.jpg

http://a.mpcdn.net/manga/p/280/52732/10.jpg

Dun-dun-dunna!! Gogeta, to the rescue!

No but seriously, and I hate to admit this, but you're making Yungz look intelligent right now Carver...

Even Raditz can tank moon busters casually, as I've just so solemnly proven.

Originally posted by carver9
And he was right, the blast would have destroyed earth just like any other DBZ character blast would have if they went all out. That doesn't limit their blasting power or durability to planetary though...that just shows us that Trunks could have killed Cell with his own power.

What proof do you have that Goku or Cell could tank moon busting power? Do you think Master Roshi could kill a Super Saiyan (if you say no, explain why)? Limits when Trunks says it'll destroy the Earth until later admitting it would have if Vegeta didn't reduce it. And again, Cells suicide.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
http://a.mpcdn.net/manga/p/280/52719/4.jpg

http://a.mpcdn.net/manga/p/280/52732/10.jpg

Dun-dun-dunna!! Gogeta, to the rescue!

No but seriously, and I hate to admit this, but you're making Yungz look intelligent right now Carver...

Even Raditz can tank moon busters casually, as I've just so solemnly proven.

Read above... I know that DBZ character can tank moon busting attacks.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Limits when Trunks says it'll destroy the Earth until later admitting it would have if Vegeta didn't reduce it. And again, Cells suicide.

Why wouldn't it destroy Earth since again, that is where the fight is taking place. What else would it destroy besides Earth. What we do know is that weaker characters can't hurt more powerful character (have to be weaker by a certain degree) and Saiyan Saga Vegeta along with first form Frieza isn't killing beings that is millions, if not billions of times more powerful than him with just the tip of his finger (and a fraction of his power that is below even 1% of his true power). Think my friend. I know it's hard for you to say that a DBZ character can withstand planet busting but there's a time when you just have to use common sense my friend.

Originally posted by carver9
Read above... I know that DBZ character can tank moon busting attacks.

So why did you keep this going? Just to bust his balls? If so, then continue.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
So why did you keep this going? Just to bust his balls? If so, then continue.

Yes...He brought up the point i was looking for. He said that they can withstand moon busting due to having a higher power level which means...

Originally posted by carver9
Yes...He brought up the point i was looking for. He said that they can withstand moon busting due to having a higher power level which means...

The power needed to moon bust is significantly less than the power needed to bust the earth.

So idk why this is relavant that doesnt mean they can tank pb's

Originally posted by carver9
Why wouldn't it destroy Earth since again, that is where the fight is taking place. What else would it destroy besides Earth. What we do know is that weaker characters can't hurt more powerful character (have to be weaker by a certain degree) and Saiyan Saga Vegeta along with first form Frieza isn't killing beings that is millions, if not billions of times more powerful than him with just the tip of his finger (and a fraction of his power that is below even 1% of his true power). Think my friend. I know it's hard for you to say that a DBZ character can withstand planet busting but there's a time when you just have to use common sense my friend.
Yeah none of this rambling actually has a counter for anything I said. Hint hint, everything after "until".


And try not to get all human. Tbh I thought they could take PB, even tank, energy blasts until this thread made me think about it some more.

Cell and buu took what could have been fatal damage from pb's and attacks less than pb almost all came from ppl weaker than them.

You're all forgetting the casual feats presented by even low-tiers in DBZ.

http://a.mpcdn.net/manga/p/280/52799/9.jpg

Such as Recoome tanking the full brunt of a planet busting attack(albeit with quite some damage sustained), and being able to casually dominate those same powers afterwords.

http://a.mpcdn.net/manga/p/280/52830/4.jpg

Or Frieza simply kicking an even stronger multi-planet buster away.

http://a.mpcdn.net/manga/p/280/52851/11.jpg

Or even better, Frieza tanking a planet capacity blast, as well as a planetary explosion, after being bisected and beaten to near death, and still surviving.

http://a.mpcdn.net/manga/p/280/52877/9.jpg

Or Vegeta and 18 CASUALLY throwing around and tanking planet busting attacks like they're nothing.

Once we get into solar system busting and tanking that Cell level characters are capable of, this becomes a stupid debate. Not to mention that he can solar system bust with a dense attack like a kamehameha wave. That's like blowing up a sky-scraper with a sniper rifle. Cell can easily be scaled to small galaxy level tanking/busting, and Kid Buu even further with a single attack.

I swear, it's like you don't even know what DBZ is.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
You're all forgetting the casual feats presented by even low-tiers in DBZ.

http://a.mpcdn.net/manga/p/280/52799/9.jpg

Such as Recoome tanking the full brunt of a planet busting attack(albeit with quite some damage sustained), and being able to casually dominate those same powers afterwords.

http://a.mpcdn.net/manga/p/280/52830/4.jpg

Or Frieza simply kicking an even stronger multi-planet buster away.

http://a.mpcdn.net/manga/p/280/52851/11.jpg

Or even better, Frieza tanking a planet capacity blast, as well as a planetary explosion, after being bisected and beaten to near death, and still surviving.

http://a.mpcdn.net/manga/p/280/52877/9.jpg

Or Vegeta and 18 CASUALLY throwing around and tanking planet busting attacks like they're nothing.

Once we get into solar system busting and tanking that Cell level characters are capable of, this becomes a stupid debate. Not to mention that he can solar system bust with a dense attack like a kamehameha wave. That's like blowing up a sky-scraper with a sniper rifle. Cell can easily be scaled to small galaxy level tanking/busting, and Kid Buu even further with a single attack.

I swear, it's like you don't even know what DBZ is.

How do you know those were pb's? Was it stated

Idk just because someone can bust a planet that doesnt equate to them having the same durability

Originally posted by yungz22
Idk just because someone can bust a planet that doesnt equate to them having the same durability

Did you not see any of the scans I just posted? If someone can shoot a planet busting attack, and the person they're fighting tanks it, then shoots an equally powered blast which is tanked by the first person, then coincidentally, person one can tank planet busters.

I mean, this is first grade logic that you're blatantly failing to grasp here.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Did you not see any of the scans I just posted? If someone can shoot a planet busting attack, and the person they're fighting tanks it, then shoots an equally powered blast which is tanked by the first person, then coincidentally, person one can tank planet busters.

I mean, this is first grade logic that you're blatantly failing to grasp here.

Where was it stated that those were pb's

Recoome didnt tank vegetas attack he took damage

Frieza deflected the blast which i already said they could

Tanking is when you recieve no damage

Originally posted by Bentley
Destructo Disk kills both. Frieza reigns supreme.

Originally posted by yungz22
Where was it stated that those were pb's

Recoome didnt tank vegetas attack he took damage

Frieza deflected the blast which i already said they could

Tanking is when you recieve no damage

All of those were either stated to be so, or they can be scaled with common sense to be. DodGamn.

Which I already said. He got phucked the hell up, but he still tanked a multi-planet buster.

Frieza tanked it with his foot. Got a problem?

Which none of them but Recoome did.

Originally posted by Bentley


Goku and Gohan laugh at Freeza and proceed to shove their fist in his mouth.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Goku and Gohan laugh at Freeza and proceed to shove their fist in his mouth.

Well the thread isn't "who would win", it's "can Goku tank this shiiitt??!!1".

Either way, I'm sure if he can scream away one of Nappa's strongest attacks, with a power level of demonstrably less than twice that of Nappa's, then he could easily do the same to Frieza, who is less than about 1/50th of SSJ Goku's strength at this point.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
All of those were either stated to be so, or they can be scaled with common sense to be. DodGamn.

Which I already said. He got phucked the hell up, but he still tanked a multi-planet buster.

Frieza tanked it with his foot. Got a problem?

Which none of them but Recoome did.

Wheres the scans that say they were pb's

If you take the time to deflect something that means if you didnt deflect it it would have harmed him.

Recoome took damage from vegetas blast it wasnt life threatining but damage is still damage his hair was all messed up he was bleeding and he lost teeth

Originally posted by yungz22
Wheres the scans that say they were pb's

If you take the time to deflect something that means if you didnt deflect it it would have harmed him.

Recoome took damage from vegetas blast it wasnt life threatining but damage is still damage his hair was all messed up he was bleeding and he lost teeth

1. dontgetit Refer to above post.

2. dontgetit And if I take the time to put ice in my glass, it means I couldn't drink my water otherwise. Clearly.

3. dontgetit Duh. What did I just say?

You said they were stated as pb's so where and who said that.....and Scaling is speculation and can be wrong. Especially if talking about attack potency. Statements are the only factual evidence we have when it come to gauging attack potency. In essence unless they say its a pb you cant say it is.

That analogy isnt the same thing water is something you consume. Its different when refering to fighting scenarios.

A fighters objective is usually to take less damGe but at the same time find a way to damage your opponent. Thats the reason floyd mayweather jr is undefeated hes a mAster at deflecting and countering opponent attacks. That doesnt mean that floyd mayweather can take full blown punch without recieving damage or get hurt. This goes for any fighting scenario if it can hurt you you either dodge or deflect.


Then recoome didnt tank it

Originally posted by yungz22
You said they were stated as pb's so where and who said that.....and Scaling is speculation and can be wrong. Especially if talking about attack potency. Statements are the only factual evidence we have when it come to gauging attack potency. In essence unless they say its a pb you cant say it is.

That analogy isnt the same thing water is something you consume. Its different when refering to fighting scenarios.

A fighters objective is usually to take less damGe but at the same time find a way to damage your opponent. Thats the reason floyd mayweather jr is undefeated hes a mAster at deflecting and countering opponent attacks. That doesnt mean that floyd mayweather can take full blown punch without recieving damage or get hurt. This goes for any fighting scenario if it can hurt you you either dodge or deflect.


Then recoome didnt tank it

So if a sniper rifle has more force distributed into the bullet, you can't say that it is able to pierce more than a 9mm pistol, despite heaps of evidence suggesting otherwise? You're about to make me start questioning reality itself, because of how silly your garbage argument is turning out to be. Not to mention that they were stated as such in the anime.

Uh, in a way, don't you consume damage? You certainly intake it. That analogy was pretty solid, too bad it was wasted on a glorified troglodyte such as yourself.

I don't care to know who that idiot is, but we're talking about someone on a higher plane of power than the person they're fighting altogether. If Floyd Mayweather, or whatever, could tank countless punches to the face from his opponent and laugh them off, don't you think he would? And if he was blood-lusted, like all of these characters are, he most certainly would, if to do nothing more than instill terror.

He did. Just as I said. He tanked it, albeit while receiving some pretty extensive damage, he still tanked a planet buster+ attack.

I swear tanking means that someone Superman'd a bullet?

Originally posted by BloodRain
I swear tanking means that someone Superman'd a bullet?

Basically thats wwhat it means the opponent takes zero damage

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
So if a sniper rifle has more force distributed into the bullet, you can't say that it is able to pierce more than a 9mm pistol, despite heaps of evidence suggesting otherwise? You're about to make me start questioning reality itself, because of how silly your garbage argument is turning out to be. Not to mention that they were stated as such in the anime.

Uh, in a way, don't you consume damage? You certainly intake it. That analogy was pretty solid, too bad it was wasted on a glorified troglodyte such as yourself.

I don't care to know who that idiot is, but we're talking about someone on a higher plane of power than the person they're fighting altogether. If Floyd Mayweather, or whatever, could tank countless punches to the face from his opponent and laugh them off, don't you think he would? And if he was blood-lusted, like all of these characters are, he most certainly would, if to do nothing more than instill terror.

He did. Just as I said. He tanked it, albeit while receiving some pretty extensive damage, he still tanked a planet buster+ attack.

Lol you just proved his point in your third paragraph. If they could just tank it they would instead of deflecting it or running away.

Lol recoome didnt tank the attack he recieved damage.

Tanking is when you recieve none what soever

Originally posted by chasedown
Lol you just proved his point in your third paragraph. If they could just tank it they would instead of deflecting it or running away.

Lol recoome didnt tank the attack he recieved damage.

Tanking is when you recieve none what soever

In case you didn't notice, a planet busting ki bomb is a little different than a 500 PSI punch.

Lol what did I just say, dumb ass?

Tanking is when you survive the full brunt of something. There is literally no such thing as taking "no damage". Except in cases such as when Hercule elbowed Buu in the head as hard as he could, and Buu didn't notice.

Literally no such thing except for these dozens of examples?




It's easy; Shrug off = tank.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta


Tanking is when you survive the full brunt of something.

So by your definition does that mean cell tanked vegeta's ff and goku's instant kamehameha?

Your example of hercule and buu was right tho thats tanking. Another example is when radditz took piccolo's blast that was tanking. Another example even tho it isnt canon is when brolly tanked goku's point blank kamehameha.

Merely surviving an attack is not tanking it. All examples i named above including your hercule one are examples of tanking

Originally posted by chasedown
Tanking is when you recieve none what soever

I view "tanking" as receiving little to no damage.

For instance, letting someone punch you in the face and not getting knocked, phased, or anything (except a sore face) would be tanking that punch, imao (imao - in my arrogant opinion).



Also, I believe the term "tanking", in this context, comes from the oooold Dungeons and Dragons games where you build a class that has enough HP to tank most attacks. Sure, your character suffers damage but it can "tank" the attacks. They are called tanks because a tank, the vehicle, can take a pounding before experiencing a failure. Sure, the tank can take damage (to the armor or whatever), but it may still be functional. This is where I got the idea that tanking is "little to no damage."

Originally posted by dadudemon
I view "tanking" as receiving little to no damage.

For instance, letting someone punch you in the face and not getting knocked, phased, or anything (except a sore face) would be tanking that punch, imao (imao - in my arrogant opinion).



Also, I believe the term "tanking", in this context, comes from the oooold Dungeons and Dragons games where you build a class that has enough HP to tank most attacks. Sure, your character suffers damage but it can "tank" the attacks. They are called tanks because a tank, the vehicle, can take a pounding before experiencing a failure. Sure, the tank can take damage (to the armor or whatever), but it may still be functional. This is where I got the idea that tanking is "little to no damage."

So if someone loses teeth and is bleeding all over is that tanking

Originally posted by chasedown
So if someone loses teeth and is bleeding all over is that tanking

I wouldn't say that is tanking, no. Losing teeth constitutes permanent damage. That's not "light damage."

So my point still stands recoome didnt tank vegetas blast

Originally posted by chasedown
So my point still stands recoome didnt tank vegetas blast

Uhh, yup. I never contradicted your overall point, just the statement I quoted. In fact, you and I stated roughly the same thing but just to a slightly different degree.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Uhh, yup. I never contradicted your overall point, just the statement I quoted. In fact, you and I stated roughly the same thing but just to a slightly different degree.

Yea i know im just saying