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Constantine gets 5 days prep. Can he owns the imp?

You must be joking.

Give John a lifetime of prep, and his still nothing to Mxy.

Mxy only loses with pis/cis, nothing less.

Constantine wins. Defeating Mxy is a simple task which any smart kid could achieve, let alone a prep god like John.

Originally posted by Epicurus
Constantine wins. Defeating Mxy is a simple task which any smart kid could achieve, let alone a prep god like John.



Some no account sorcerer had a way to make Qwsp his slave, so we know it's possible.

And getting a leg up on much more powerful beings is what Constantine does.

I never knew that Constantine is that powerful. There was a thread recently Constantine vs. Superman and pretty much anyone said Constantine.

Is Constantine also that powerful on his own, without preps, or only with preps?

Originally posted by Xplosive
I never knew that Constantine is that powerful. There was a thread recently Constantine vs. Superman and pretty much anyone said Constantine.

Is Constantine also that powerful on his own, without preps, or only with preps?

he is the batman of magic, or reed richards prep of magic,

Constantine wins this, so hard.

Sheer power levels? Mxy, of course. But he suffers from horrendous CIS. He's only ever beaten by Supes tricking him, and if the boyscout can outwit him, Con Job would utterly murder him.

Originally posted by Xplosive
I never knew that Constantine is that powerful. He is in an intimate relationship with logic. And by intimate relationship I mean that he constantly f#$%s it in the ass.

Wasn't Zatanna from a alternate dimension capable of taking away Mxy powers? If she can do it, then Constantine will have no issues what so ever.

5-D Imps for all their power have some ridiculously shitty Achilles heels.

Do people seriously not no Mxy and the shit he's accomplish?

For all of Mxy low showings, is because of Pis/Cis. Him losing to alternate Zatanna was pure bullshit. Because we know Mxy's powers are not magic, but a higher level of science.

The whole Mxy saying his name backward crap is another weakness Mxy himself puts on himself to make his ****ing with Kal's life more fun.

Constantine with all the prep, but no Cis/Pis in his side, gets and himself and the whole damn Universe destroys with but a snap from Mxy's fingers.

Why are you ignoring CIS? Its still on as default.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Why are you ignoring CIS? Its still on as default.

Even with cis on, Mxy still just need to snap his fingers.

So we ignore the times the Joker tricked him, Superman tricks him, Superboy tricks him, Lex tricks him..... And suddenly, when he's up against one of the greatest tricksters in comics, this all flies out the window?

He explicitly does not use his full powers for evil means, and you're now turning him into essentially Emperor Joker?

Originally posted by SquallX
Even with cis on, Mxy still just need to snap his fingers.

you're in denial arent you?whistling

Originally posted by Utrigita
Wasn't Zatanna from a alternate dimension capable of taking away Mxy powers? If she can do it, then Constantine will have no issues what so ever.

This took place directly after the Adventures of Superman story where Mxy was weakened to a point where he was almost killed (hell, the following issue stated as such). So he was weakened from that point on.

...Also, personally, i also believe that it could have been an alternate version. There isn't sufficient evidence to confirm it, but there are small implications, some pre-crisis elements, which i realized. But im not going to get into it.

Originally posted by operator616
This took place directly after the Adventures of Superman story where Mxy was weakened to a point where he was almost killed (hell, the following issue stated as such). So he was weakened from that point on.

...Also, personally, i also believe that it could have been an alternate version. There isn't sufficient evidence to confirm it, but there are small implications, some pre-crisis elements, which i realized. But im not going to get into it.

No by all means please do, I'm not very familiar with DC, just remembered that there was a outcry when the incident happened.

Originally posted by SquallX
You must be joking.

Give John a lifetime of prep, and his still nothing to Mxy.

Mxy only loses with pis/cis , nothing less. CIS is part of Mxy's character though. The reason he usually loses is because he's kind of a dumbass. If John has this much prep and Mxy is in character Constantine can take it.

Originally posted by SquallX
Even with cis on, Mxy still just need to snap his fingers.
Right. But he won't, and that's the point.

Yeah, when all's said and done, Constantine may well have his own personal genie. And he won't need to cut him with the bones of an old god, like what happened to Qwsp in JSA.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Constantine wins this, so hard.

Sheer power levels? Mxy, of course. But he suffers from horrendous CIS. He's only ever beaten by Supes tricking him, and if the boyscout can outwit him, Con Job would utterly murder him.

Originally posted by Utrigita
No by all means please do, I'm not very familiar with DC, just remembered that there was a outcry when the incident happened.

Ok, since you asked...

In the Adventures of Superman story-line, that's how Mxy looked:

http://i.imgur.com/eBqUgYd.jpg?1

Which is different from how the mainstream version looks (except for his avatars), and its based on his Earth-two appearance. That's exactly how Earth-two Mxy looks.

Earth-Two Mxy = Golden Age Mxy (generally speaking, as 1st established in Flash #123 and from that point in later stories, most of the golden age stories take place on Earth-Two, as opposed of Earth-One).

Now, notice how Golden Age/Earth Two Mxy resembles to the one previously shown -- first shown in Superman #30 (also, just so you know, Golden Age and pre-crisis Mxy in general was far below post-crisis Mxy in terms of power level):

http://i.imgur.com/Rukc5oq.jpg?1

Superman Family #208, specifically distinguished between Earth-Two Mxy's appearance and mainstream in their appearances, the former clearly resembling the one shown in AoS:

http://i.imgur.com/3MhNMvV.jpg?1

In Superman & Batman: World's Funnest this is further confirmed and it's outright shown on panel how Earth-Two Mxy's appearance differs and has actual relevance even in post-crisis continuity. When WF Mxy, who's appearance is the same as post-Crisis mainstream Mxy, goes to Earth-Two, his shape is altered to that same purple suited bald headed appearance of his:

http://i.imgur.com/AENlxhb.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/SwQf228.jpg

See, all the same.

Also, there's also the part where we see Mxy's girlfriend in Countdown #31 (same Mxy who appeared in Countdown #23) which is pretty clearly based on her pre-crisis appearances with Mxy. So there's that too. And honestly speaking, as of post-Infinite Crisis; many pre-COIE stories have been retconned back into canon (just look at the 52 series, for one, how many stories it brought back, or another off the top of my head -- and there are many more -- is Action Comics #864 bringing back JLA #148, pre crisis title). So it wouldn't be far fetched bringing an alternate version of pre-crisis Mxy back. It's no coincidence that in that time period an alternate Mxy would resurface. It also makes sense considering that pre-crisis Mxy operated on a level nowhere near post-crisis did. So having a pre-crisis based alternate Mxy would make sense. Not to mention that in that same time period -- after the Adventures of Superman story, mainstream Mxy was appearing in a Superman/Batman arc, where he was full and healthy, this arc was literally in-between the story where Mxy almost died and where Mxy was getting tortured and looked in a miserable shape. That's also part of the reason why i see dissociating mainstream Mxy from Countdown Mxy seems reasonable. But like i said: It's just an assumption, and there's no confirmation for it, so im not saying that i am correct, merely that i could be correct.

Rucka confirmed years ago that all Mxys are, essentially, one in the same:
http://imgur.com/eKCBIr0
http://imgur.com/rEywUh2
http://imgur.com/vvJII5H
http://imgur.com/RSKqIuA
http://imgur.com/Qjp2LfG
http://imgur.com/m95gGvf

We also know that Mxy still has access to ANY universe in ANY timeline(even pre-crisis stuff):
http://imgur.com/T7CxRzL

Sure, That was 2004 Secret Files & Origins, which was before the establishment of the multiverse. After that, it's more likely for a writer to introduce an alternate version. Which is what happened.

At that same time period, in Brave & the bold, the anti-matter version of Mxy who was clearly differentiated from the mainstream Mxy, was also seen.

And i already posted a scan myself confirming that parallel universes have extradimensional worlds (5th dimension, 6th dimension, etc..) of their own. Hence the existence of alternate Mxy's.

Also, considering that in that same Countdown issue the writer had specifically stated that Mxy's powers aren't magic based, yet on panel we were shown the exact opposite...what's that tell you?

Originally posted by operator616
Sure, That was 2004 Secret Files & Origins, which was before the establishment of the multiverse. After that, it's more likely for a writer to introduce an alternate version. Which is what happened.

At that same time period, in Brave & the bold, the anti-matter version of Mxy who was clearly differentiated from the mainstream Mxy, was also seen.

And i already posted a scan myself confirming that parallel universes have extradimensional worlds (5th dimension, 6th dimension, etc..) of their own. Hence the existence of alternate Mxy's. You're putting too much stock into how Mxy looked(from an artistic standpoint), as opposed to how he was treated in the issue itself. If a 'parallel version' of Mxy were intended to be used in that scene, I'm certain that such an important detail would have at least been hinted at amidst the in-comic narrative--but since nothing of the sort was alluded to, I'll continue assuming that the artist was merely giving a shout-out to Mxy's 'classic' look.

Anywho, we have Rucka outright showing us that all Mxys are one Mxy. We also know that Mxy has access to ANY universe in ANY point in time(even pre-crisis universes.) Heck, the same Countdown bio you mentioned below also tells us that all Mxys are one Mxy, as we are specifically shown some of his pre-crisis hijinks and variations, whilst he narrates:
http://imgur.com/ET0Tzzs
http://imgur.com/x9K6BCK

The evidence I've provided is more than enough to prove that Mxy is not treated as a character with alternate versions on average--especially when his most recent showing/bio solidifies the notion that ALL of his feats(both pre and post crisis) are canon to the one, true, Mxy. /shrug

Originally posted by operator616
Also, considering that in that same Countdown issue the writer had specifically stated that Mxy's powers aren't magic based, yet on panel we were shown the exact opposite...what's that tell you? It tells me that 5-D tech translates to magic in the 3rd dimension. That's why even the most recent pre-Flashpoint telling of the 5th dimension treats it exclusively as a magical realm:
http://i.imgur.com/4gBC69h.jpg

Originally posted by Galan007
You're putting too much stock into how Mxy looked(from an artistic standpoint), as opposed to how he was treated in the issue itself. If a 'parallel version' of Mxy were intended to be used in that scene, I'm certain that such an important detail would have at least been hinted at amidst the in-comic narrative--but since nothing of the sort was alluded to, I'll continue assuming that the artist was merely giving a shout-out to Mxy's 'classic' look.

Anywho, we have Rucka outright showing us that all Mxys are one Mxy. We also know that Mxy has access to ANY universe in ANY point in time(even pre-crisis universes.) Heck, the same Countdown bio you mentioned below also tells us that all Mxys are one Mxy, as we are specifically shown some of his pre-crisis hijinks and variations, whilst he narrates:
http://imgur.com/ET0Tzzs
http://imgur.com/x9K6BCK

The evidence I've provided is more than enough to prove that Mxy is not treated as a character with alternate versions on average--especially when his most recent showing/bio solidifies the notion that ALL of his feats(both pre and post crisis) are canon to the one, true, Mxy. /shrug


Im not putting too much stock in his appearances, that's just how it is, I think i emphasized on this point pretty well in my post above. And you seem to have missed the Superman Family #208 scan, where it specifically distinguishes Mxy of Earth-Two and Earth-One based on their appearances:

http://i.imgur.com/3MhNMvV.jpg?1

You really think it's a coincidence that they chose to portray Earth-Two Mxy in his purple-ish suit, which just so happens to be how Golden age Mxy was portrayed, which also just so happens to have been all retconned to take place on Earth-two?

Come on, man.

Regarding your point that Mxy being an alternate Mxy should be mentioned in the comic -- firstly, i already admitted it's an assumption since i said there's no confirmation of it. But more importantly, look at Pre-Zero Hour Legion's introduction into post-Infinite Crisis continuity. Tell me something: Did they outright mention that those are pre-Zero Hour Legion? Or did we deduce that by statements such as Karate Kid's death in v3 referenced in the Lightning Saga? See what i mean? Just like pre-Zero Hour Legion were incorporated in the post-IC continuity, so can pre-crisis Mxy (the Legion were getting incorporated around the same time that Countdown issue was out, after all). That's what im saying.

Yeah, i already thought about those scans...and that's the main reason why i mentioned Mxy's avatars in my previous post. Since we see that same appearance for Mxy's avatars, but it's important to distinguish between the avatars and the Earth-two version (we'll never know). Anyway, you could be right about this too. I already admitted that all this is an assumption.

Originally posted by Galan007

It tells me that 5-D tech translates to magic in the 3rd dimension. That's why even the most recent pre-Flashpoint telling of the 5th dimension treats it exclusively as a magical realm:
http://i.imgur.com/4gBC69h.jpg

Pre-Flashpoint ive also seen treating it exclusively as a non-magical realm (i can reference examples if you want). So it depends on the writer.

In which case: In that countdown issue the writer directly contradicted himself, which lead me further to believe that it wasn't maintream Mxy but rather an alternate, pre-crisis, version.


All that aside, you've also skipped a couple of reasons for my argument. Although, unless something is added to the discussion, i think ill stop here, since it's an assumption on my part. As such, no conclusion can be achieved (from my side of the argument).

Originally posted by operator616
Anyway, you could be right about this too. I already admitted that all this is an assumption.

Although, unless something is added to the discussion, i think ill stop here, since it's an assumption on my part. As such, no conclusion can be achieved (from my side of the argument). I was going to take the time to nitpick your points, but then I saw the above statements. So yeah, I'll stop here too.

Constantine punches into the 5d and rips everything in half

If there can be two versions of Spectre out there, then why not two Mxy's?

I'm talking about the JSA Earth 2 visit with Kingdom Come Superman getting mistaken for Earth 2 Supes. Jim Corrigan was Sectre on Earth 2.

Which makes no sense, because it's like saying there's an alternate Presence, or an alternate Lucifer and Michael. Or an alternate Living Tribunal in Marvel.

Originally posted by SquallX
Do people seriously not no Mxy and the shit he's accomplish?

For all of Mxy low showings, is because of Pis/Cis. Him losing to alternate Zatanna was pure bullshit. Because we know Mxy's powers are not magic, but a higher level of science.

The whole Mxy saying his name backward crap is another weakness Mxy himself puts on himself to make his ****ing with Kal's life more fun.

Constantine with all the prep, but no Cis/Pis in his side, gets and himself and the whole damn Universe destroys with but a snap from Mxy's fingers.
Forum fights are in character. Mxy's defeat has been easily accomplished far too many times in comics for you to arbitrarily dismiss a shit ton of these showings as PIS.

Sorry, but you don't get to decide how a character behaves in a forum fight. Against the rules.

Constantine wins. Deal with it.

Originally posted by cdtm
If there can be two versions of Spectre out there, then why not two Mxy's?

I'm talking about the JSA Earth 2 visit with Kingdom Come Superman getting mistaken for Earth 2 Supes. Jim Corrigan was Sectre on Earth 2.


Actually, that's not exactly true. Pre-crisis, Earth-Two Spectre was supposedly destroyed in JLA #83. The one who re-appeared years later in Adventure Comics was Earth-One Spectre. The editor clarified that in issue #434 letter's page:

http://i.imgur.com/Bu8l1HR.jpg?1

Also, there's America vs Justice Society #2, telling us that the Spectre has been popping from time to time as an alternate Jim Corrigan

http://i.imgur.com/PgTQ4qA.jpg

(and the index confirmed it was referring to those Brave and the bold and DC comics presents issues that he appeared in, after his return.)

Important note: This also indicates that Earth-One Corrigan and Earth-two Corrigan had the same Spectre host (meaning, the it wasn't an alternate Spectre-force). Since the Spectre of Earth-One is directly referred to as the same Spectre who was part of Justice Society which took place on Earth-Two. Notice the reference to the Spymaster which was a story-line in the early All-Star issues, specifically issue #4 (1940).

Although, in the All-Star comics title (1970s) the Jim Corrigan of Earth-two seemed not to host the Spectre (which is in-line with what happened in JLA #83).

... Damn.