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Who win?
No prep.
No BFR..



Marvel Now!

Hyperion
Dr.Strange
Hulk
Thor
Spectrum
Ms.Marvel
Blue Marvel
Iron Man
Black Bolt

Vs

Dcnu

Superman
G.L Hal
Wonder Woman
M.Manhunter
Flash
Aquaman
Shazam
Cyborg
Firestorm

Give good reason why one side beats the other..
So close matchups..

Probably team Marvel if Carol drops Arthur fast enough to help Monica vs Barry.

Does Firestorm get to use FURY?

Everyone is in standard form..
No upgrades..
No one over high herald..

Marvel now..
Dcnu...

Originally posted by Golgo13
Does Firestorm get to use FURY?




Is fury a upgrade for Firestorm?

Marvel stomps...badly.

Originally posted by carver9
Marvel stomps...badly. What?

What are your match ups?

Originally posted by pym-ftw
What?

What are your match ups?

Who on that team is beating Hyperion, Hulk, Thor, and Strange?

Superman has better combat feats than Hype

Hal can stall Thor for a bit

Flash can b**** slap Steven

Shazam can boot Hulk into the sky and just juggle him.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Superman has better combat feats than Hype

Hal can stall Thor for a bit

Flash can b**** slap Steven

Shazam can boot Hulk into the sky and just juggle him.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Superman has better combat feats than Hype

Hal can stall Thor for a bit

Flash can b**** slap Steven

Shazam can boot Hulk into the sky and just juggle him.

Lol...no he doesn't.

Lol...Thor would stomp Hal.

Flash isn't beating Strange.

What has Captain Marvel done to make you think he could last against Hulk?

Originally posted by JBL
...Originally posted by carver9
Lol...no he doesn't.

Lol...Thor would stomp Hal.

Flash isn't beating Strange.

What has Captain Marvel done to make you think he could last against Hulk? ...

Fly.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
... ...

Fly.

Who has hit Hulk in the air for you to think Captain Marvel could do it? Then, that is clearly out of character for him. Show me him doing it. Then he would have to overpower Hulk which ain't happening. Pym...you really don't have anything to help your argument.

Are you honestly going to imply that hulk can't be hit in the air?

Superman & Wonder Woman

Why the h*** does it matter if hulk is stronger.

Your welcome.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Are you honestly going to imply that hulk can't be hit in the air?

Superman & Wonder Woman

Why the h*** does it matter if hulk is stronger.

Your welcome.

Kinda hard to do when his body acts like a sponge. That's why I am asking you for examples of current Hulk being hit in the air to the point that he is being juggled. Also...Show me the scans of Captain Marvel juggling someone.

Why did you say Superman and Wonder Woman?

It matters because Hulk will overpower Captain Marvel...easily.

No prob.

Billy could choke Hulk out.

A random magical monster did it to Hulk.

You make this very difficult when context doesn't help you remember what I'm talking about.

I'm talking about Billy fighting Superman by punching him into the air and then bull rushing him

Your asking me to prove the negative, you have to prove a class 100 can't lift hulk off his feet.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Billy could choke Hulk out.

A random magical monster did it to Hulk.

When?

Originally posted by pym-ftw
You make this very difficult when context doesn't help you remember what I'm talking about.

I'm talking about Billy fighting Superman by punching him into the air and then bull rushing him

Your asking me to prove the negative, you have to prove a class 100 can't lift hulk off his feet.

When did he punch Superman into the air and blitz him? You do know this is DCNU right?

I'm asking you because his body usually act like a sponge.

Originally posted by carver9
When?

Underwater.

He also passed out from residual magical lightning from Thor. If only DCnU had a user of magical lightning.....

Just using current Invincible Hulk, of course.

Martian Manhunter can also surround him with mental puppies.

Yes. Their first fight.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Underwater.

He also passed out from residual magical lightning from Thor. If only DCnU had a user of magical lightning.....

Just using current Invincible Hulk, of course.

Martian Manhunter can also surround him with mental puppies.

Lol...He didn't pass out just from the huge Squid. It was more than that.

Thor charging up his entire body to the point that HE even passed out isn't random lightning my friend?

Martian Manhunter can't even handle a punch and he would be busy fighting someone else.

Also...Frankenstein overpowered Captain Marvel with one hand while fighting someone else.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Yes. Their first fight.

Captain Marvel punched Superman and screams "i just punched Superman", then Superman gets up and punch him back. Where during that scene did you see anything happening the way you just said it did?

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...He didn't pass out just from the huge Squid. It was more than that.

Thor charging up his entire body to the point that HE even passed out isn't random lightning my friend?

Martian Manhunter can't even handle a punch and he would be busy fighting someone else.

Also...Frankenstein overpowered Captain Marvel with one hand while fighting someone else.

What more was it?

Regardless, a Shazam bolt which is pretty powerful in its own right, and which Billy calls down during battle to hit his opponents, is a pretty feasible tactic to say Billy would use. And please, now its your turn, provide scans of Hulk resisting magical lightning of that order? Of the order of Shazam?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
What more was it?

Regardless, a Shazam bolt which is pretty powerful in its own right, and which Billy calls down during battle to hit his opponents, is a pretty feasible tactic to say Billy would use. And please, now its your turn, provide scans of Hulk resisting magical lightning of that order? Of the order of Shazam?
What are you talking bout? He does it here! Oh wait... Wrong scan...

http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk255/Bontenou/Hulk_Annual_2001_p24.jpg

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
What more was it?

Regardless, a Shazam bolt which is pretty powerful in its own right, and which Billy calls down during battle to hit his opponents, is a pretty feasible tactic to say Billy would use. And please, now its your turn, provide scans of Hulk resisting magical lightning of that order? Of the order of Shazam?

Wait...when did Hulk get choked out? We never seen what happened. It happened off panel. The last we see of Hulk during that instance...be was awake. Prove that he was choked out.

What's the most powerful showing of his bolt? Do I really have to name everything that current Hulk has withstood?

I do not care what else he has withstood; I know full well you're busy going to attempt to deflect attention by posting him withstand ing adamantium etc.

Deflect ions, nothing more.

Magical lightning.

Scans, please.

I gotta ask..

In some other thread someone said that G.L just has to put a bubble
around Black Bolts head and BB is pretty much done..

Can BB just whisper or scream to break the bubble if trapped in it?

Shazams lightning is the lightning of Zeus and we know how good it works against Hulk.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I do not care what else he has withstood; I know full well you're busy going to attempt to deflect attention by posting him withstand ing adamantium etc.

Deflect ions, nothing more.

Magical lightning.

Scans, please.

What has his magical lightning done to make you think it could drop someone like Hulk let alone any other Herald?

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Shazams lightning is the lightning of Zeus and we know how good it works against Hulk.

Scans of his lightning dropping someone as powerful as Hulk. DCNU scans.

Originally posted by carver9
Scans of his lightning dropping someone as powerful as Hulk. DCNU scans.

This is a trick question, dear Carter, for in your head there is no one as powerful as the Hulk below the trans tier. So it wouldn't matter what i show you, you would lowball it .

Hulk is the weak link here

Originally posted by carver9
What has his magical lightning done to make you think it could drop someone like Hulk let alone any other Herald?

More deflections.

Onus is on you to prove Hulk can tank ANY amount of magical lightning. Then we can start from there.

Sents when has Shazam Nu been an equal of current Hulk?

Just askin..

Think some peeps here are just saying so to get under Carvers skin, but i didnt make this thread for fan boys sticking up for there favorite company.. I like to really find out who wins this fight set by the rules set by this forum and not personal agendas and favortism.

Thank u..

Originally posted by carver9
Who on that team is beating Hyperion, Hulk, Thor, and Strange?

Originally posted by carver9
Who on that team is beating Hyperion, Hulk, Thor, and Strange?



Superman, Wonder Woman, Manhunter and G.L Hal
Maybe..

Maybe a toss up if just 4 on 4

Team 1. More strength and power.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
More deflections.

Onus is on you to prove Hulk can tank ANY amount of magical lightning. Then we can start from there.

Is that all you want?

Hulk blasted by a pissed Thor.

http://s226.photobucket.com/user/HulkFights/media/Vs%20Thor/Fight%2012/7.jpg.html

Fighting full fledge the next panel.

http://s226.photobucket.com/user/HulkFights/media/Vs%20Thor/Fight%2012/8.jpg.html

What's DCNU Cap best lightning ft?

Originally posted by Supermex
Superman, Wonder Woman, Manhunter and G.L Hal
Maybe..

Maybe a toss up if just 4 on 4

It really isn't a toss up. At all.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
This is a trick question, dear Carter, for in your head there is no one as powerful as the Hulk below the trans tier. So it wouldn't matter what i show you, you would lowball it .

Concession accepted.

Originally posted by carver9
Concession accepted.

Yours you mean? You know as well that current Superman is above WWH and people like Apollo are too, yet First Born beat people on Hulks level, WW and Orion, with ease. Accept it, Hulk isn't the strongest, he is strong but below Pak Superman or FB.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Yours you mean? You know as well that current Superman is above WWH and people like Apollo are too, yet First Born beat people on Hulks level, WW and Orion, with ease. Accept it, Hulk isn't the strongest, he is strong but below Pak Superman or FB.





I dont believe current Superman is stronger than current Hulk..

Superman has more speed and can fly, Hulk cant..

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Yours you mean? You know as well that current Superman is above WWH and people like Apollo are too, yet First Born beat people on Hulks level, WW and Orion, with ease. Accept it, Hulk isn't the strongest, he is strong but below Pak Superman or FB.

Why would I think Superman is stronger than standard Hulk let alone WWH?

Originally posted by carver9
It really isn't a toss up. At all.


Hyperion
Dr.Strange
Hulk
Thor

.......

Superman
G.L Hal
Wonder Woman
Manhunter


As for the 8 above.. Current Hyp and Supes is close, small edge to Supes.

Dr.Strange and G.L is a tight matchup mostly do to no bfr..
Small edge to Dr.Strange.

Hulk and Wonder Woman is close but the big Green monster will over power her.. WW h2h skills will keep Hulk busy for awhile but WW will wear down as Hulk keeps bringing the fight to her.

Thor and Manhunter both are vers in powers..
Thor's h2h carries Thor to a win. What didnt help Wonder Woman in her fight with Hulk, helps Thor im his.


All fights are close! Very close. This is my own opinion.
I could be wrong. But its not a stomp for Marvel.
If WW, G.L or MH can some how gut a win, then its more problematic for Marvel..



As for the rest of the field we still got..


Spectrum
Ms.Marvel
Blue Marvel
Iron Man
Black Bolt

..........

Flash
Aquaman
Shazam
Cyborg
Firestorm

Originally posted by Supermex
I dont believe current Superman is stronger than current Hulk..

Superman has more speed and can fly, Hulk cant..

He doesn't need to. Especially since he is jumping around at super speed.

Superman is still far, far faster.

Originally posted by carver9
He doesn't need to. Especially since he is jumping around at super speed.




I agree..
Hulk/Supes is a close fight..

Originally posted by -Pr-
Superman is still far, far faster.



Never said otherwise.

Originally posted by Supermex
I agree..
Hulk/Supes is a close fight..

Depends on how Supes fight imo but out of the group you've put together, he would be the best choice to fight Hulk but that would leave Hyperion, Thor, and Blue Marvel who is physically above the rest (Diana would give them a fight). You have five high Herald (one that gets more powerful by the second) against one high Herald and a group of mids. Can't see DC winning.

Originally posted by carver9


Never said otherwise.

pr1983

Originally posted by carver9
Depends on how Supes fight imo but out of the group you've put together, he would be the best choice to fight Hulk but that would leave Hyperion, Thor, and Blue Marvel who is physically above the rest (Diana would give them a fight). You have five high Herald (one that gets more powerful by the second) against one high Herald and a group of mids. Can't see DC winning.





Marvel Now!

Hyperion
Dr.Strange
Hulk
Thor
Spectrum
Ms.Marvel
Blue Marvel
Iron Man
Black Bolt

Vs

Dcnu

Superman .... a Top Herald in Dc
G.L Hal ....... a top Herald in Dc
Wonder Woman ..... a top Herald in Dc
M.Manhunter ....... a top Herald in Dc
Flash
Aquaman
Shazam ........ a top herald in Dc
Cyborg
Firestorm ........ a top herald in Dc

@Supermex...

No one is saying those people are powerful but out of the people you've named, who would pull a majority against Thor, Hulk, Blue Marvel, Hyperion, or Strange?

The problem is that it's DCNU. Most of these guys don't have as many feats as Preboot.

Originally posted by -Pr-
The problem is that it's DCNU. Most of these guys don't have as many feats as Preboot.

And THIS is why I am saying what I am saying Superemex. As soon as you gave your answer to my question above, I was going to ask you to name those fts.

I see you like using DCNU characters. It would best to stick with characters that actually appears in comics frequently.

Hasnt Now and Nu been around about the same time?

Marvel feats from Marvel Now

And

DC feats from DCnu

Originally posted by Supermex
Hasnt Now and Nu been around about the same time?

Marvel feats from Marvel Now

And

DC feats from DCnu

Yes but even then Marvel fts outweighs majority of the roster you have there.

Are we just limiting the Marvel team to only Marvel Now feats? Because they still have decades of feats that haven't been retconned.

Hyperion vs Superman, Superman 5.5/10
Dr.Strange vs vs Shazam, Strange 6/10
Hulk vs M.Manhunter, MM 6/10
Thor vs WW, Thor 6/10
Spectrum vs Flash, Flash 7/10
Ms.Marvel vs Aquaman, AM 7/10
Blue Marvel vs Firestorm, 50-50
Iron Man vs Cyborg, IM 6/10
Black Bolt vs GL, GL 6/10

DC 5
Marvel 3

Captain Marvel beats Hulk.
Martian Manhunter beats Hulk.

That is more than enough to tip the scales

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Captain Marvel beats Hulk.
Martian Manhunter beats Hulk.

That is more than enough to tip the scales

Fts that proves either can beat Hulk.

Originally posted by JabberWaki
Are we just limiting the Marvel team to only Marvel Now feats? Because they still have decades of feats that haven't been retconned.



Yes i am..