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Who wins?

Max, unless it's WF Mxy.

Good battle, though.

Mxy.

^ I take it you regard WF Mxy as being the same as mainstream Mxy? Which is why you give him the win?

Or perhaps because of Emperor Joker?

Or is it something else?

My reasoning:
We know Mxy himself has the ability to effortlessly destroy/recreate absolutely all of creation in DC(because he did.) We know that even someone who is a relative n00b with Mxy's powers(Joker) can whimsically destroy/recreate universes, overtake/imprison aspects of God himself(Spectre), very nearly destroy the multiverse-proper, and even extend his influence into the higher dimensional planes as well(because he did.)

So even in a forum setting with CIS on, I see a fight between Max and Mxy playing out similarly to Mxy's battle with Bat-Mite in WF, given than Max is a high-end reality warper. ie. it starts out relatively small(city-level), progresses to planetary, then to galactic, then to universal, then to multiversal, then to omni-creation. The reason I'd give the nod to Mxy is because he's got the feats that Max lacks(lip-service only goes so far.)

^ So basically, we agree that WF Mxy wins (because you're using his WF feat to grant him the win over Max)

WF aside though, id give Max the win.

Yeah, Mxy only wins if he takes the fight seriously and goes all-out, like he did with Bat-Mite in WF. I do believe that's how he would regard this battle(for reasons I mentioned above), thus I believe he wins.

Like Galan said, Mxy has the better feats, even ignoring Worlds Funnest. Indirectly, Joker used his power on a universal to multiversal scale. And Crisis Times Five puts 5d power above Spectre level.

Originally posted by cdtm
Like Galan said, Mxy has the better feats, even ignoring Worlds Funnest. Indirectly, Joker used his power on a universal to multiversal scale. And Crisis Times Five puts 5d power above Spectre level.

Joker had potential multiversal power in EJ, although he still affected all dimensions up to the the fifth even when he was inexperienced. That's pretty impressive. Max had omniversal potential, which puts him above the Emperor Joker, imo.

Yeah, that arc was also an awesome one for the imps; it also regarded them as beings outside of all creation even by heaven's standards iirc. Still though, being above the Spectre doesn't put Mxy above Max. Not to mention that he's had several low showings too.

Originally posted by cdtm
Like Galan said, Mxy has the better feats, even ignoring Worlds Funnest. Indirectly, Joker used his power on a universal to multiversal scale. And Crisis Times Five puts 5d power above Spectre level. Aside from Lkz(T-bolt's equal) imprisoning Spectre, Cx5 also has lower-level Imps, like Qwsp, using Hypertime as their play-thing. Morrison loves Imps.

Originally posted by Galan007
Aside from Lkz(T-bolt's equal) imprisoning Spectre, Cx5 also has lower-level Imps, like Qwsp, using Hypertime as their play-thing. Morrison loves Imps.

Yeah, that puts Qwsp at least in the multiversal range of power.

But eh, they have low showings as you know. Hell, i remember an issue of Impulse implying that Beldam's reality warping powers > Mxy's (it was via 4th wall breaking, but still).

Originally posted by operator616
Yeah, that puts Qwsp at least in the multiversal range of power.

But eh, they have low showings as you know. Hell, i remember an issue of Impulse implying that Beldam's reality warping powers > Mxy's (it was via 4th wall breaking, but still).

New God Bedlam?

^ Mxy/5-D denizens, like pretty much all characters in comics, have been shat on at times, sure. Heck, even Marvel is currently showing us(ala Original Sin) that NO character(s) are safe from being shat on--LT, Uatu, and Ego notwithstanding. Stupid as it is, that's comics for ya. /shrug

Typically, however, Imps are painted in a very uber light--especially when they stop playing around.

Yeah, and the low end showings of someone like Thunderbolt are easily explainable as him just being useless if not given the right orders.

Like when he was specifically asked to banish Spectre, and it backfired on him. That's less Spectre overpowering the imp, as it is Jakeem giving him bad tactics and not ordering him to do anything about a misfire...

Originally posted by Golgo13
New God Bedlam?

No. the one who initially appeared in JLA: World Without Grown-Ups

It was in Impulse #86, where Impulse possessing Beldam's powers (from a previous Impulse story) made Mxy say his words backwards via some goofy 4th wall breaking:

http://i.imgur.com/xur4HLe.jpg

I know I've said it before, but it never ceases to amaze me how much the good people of NOVUS are able to clean up some of these comics.

Compare your original scan with the NOVUS-enhanced copy:
http://i.imgur.com/0Gyzkjo.jpg


They do amazing work. Truly.

^ It takes more space though, right?

Originally posted by operator616
No. the one who initially appeared in JLA: World Without Grown-Ups

It was in Impulse #86, where Impulse possessing Beldam's powers (from a previous Impulse story) made Mxy say his words backwards via some goofy 4th wall breaking:

http://i.imgur.com/xur4HLe.jpg

So, we don't know what the true Bedlam looks like?

Originally posted by operator616
^ It takes more space though, right? Yeah. A NOVUS release is usually between 30,000-35,000kb per standard comic. Conversely, original/non-HD comics are usually under 15,000kb a piece. But imo, the size difference is well worth it for the quality you're getting.

Compare this original/non-HD scene from JSA #50:
http://i.imgur.com/n3xKJzS.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/7oAkhyR.jpg

...With the same NOVUS-enhanced scene:
http://i.imgur.com/qMkutOg.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/jh4cbN7.jpg

Night and day difference.


Digital rips take up even more space, though(around 40,000-50,000kb a pop)...

I thought Max was "GOD?"

Originally posted by Golgo13
So, we don't know what the true Bedlam looks like?

We do know how he looks like:

http://i.imgur.com/xJ6zpGE.jpg?1

Just that in the Mxy instance, Impulse was in possession of Beldam's powers. Hence why i specifically mentioned "Beldam's reality warping powers" (as opposed to directly saying Beldam).


Originally posted by Galan007
Yeah. A NOVUS release is usually between 30,000-35,000kb per standard comic. Conversely, original/non-HD comics are usually under 15,000kb a piece. But imo, the size difference is well worth it for the quality you're getting.

Compare this original/non-HD scene from JSA #50:
http://i.imgur.com/n3xKJzS.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/7oAkhyR.jpg

...With the same NOVUS-enhanced scene:
http://i.imgur.com/qMkutOg.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/jh4cbN7.jpg

Night and day difference.


Digital rips take up even more space, though(around 40,000-50,000kb a pop)...

Alright, thanks for the info.

so, double size, that's a bit too much, imo.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I thought Max was "GOD?"

He was the supreme being in WS. However, being a supreme being in WS is less impressive than being a supreme being in mainstream DC, since it has greater/more powerful cosmic beings.

Sounds better then using Perfect Viewers sharpen image feature. Oversharpening just kills text, and ruins certain kinds of shading..

Originally posted by cdtm
Sounds better then using Perfect Viewers sharpen image feature. Oversharpening just kills text, and ruins certain kinds of shading.. It doesn't get better than NOVUS. I've never been disappointed with their edits.

Originally posted by Galan007

NO character(s) are safe from being shat on--LT
I haven't read the new issues where Thanos appears with the LT, and the LT is portrayed as #1.

I'm wondering if it was explained what happened to the ko'd LT on the moon, (if it was the LT)
or was that overlooked like it never happened?

Originally posted by Mr Master
I'm wondering if it was explained what happened to the ko'd LT on the moon, (if it was the LT)
Nope. No explanation.


Starlin was probably like "F-ck this moron Hickman" and just acted like it never happened (which was a smart move on his part). For all we know, Hickman himself forget it happened.

I'm betting it has to do with the events currently taking place in Original Sin.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I haven't read the new issues where Thanos appears with the LT, and the LT is portrayed as #1.

I'm wondering if it was explained what happened to the ko'd LT on the moon, (if it was the LT)
or was that overlooked like it never happened?
If you've read his Fantastic Four/FF run, you'll know that Hickman never fails to tie loose ends. He explains everything eventually, it just takes some time.

Have a little patience, and you won't be disappointed for it.

Epi, have you heard any news regarding when Hickman plans on wrapping-up S.H.I.E.L.D.? It's been on a 2 year hiatus, ffs.