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Sabers only

Battle takes place on Ossus

Vitiate. He fancy twirls him to submission.

Vitiate turns him into a rag doll. .-.

Why did you make this thread?!!

Of course Anakin curbstomps.

There arent enough feats for Vitate's saber skills but a sith that strong in the force should be able to take Anakin in a saber fight as well.

Originally posted by Sinious
There arent enough feats for Vitate's saber skills but a sith that strong in the force should be able to take Anakin in a saber fight as well.
Dafuq?

How the hell does that work?

The more powerful you are the better you'll be in a lightsaber duel.

Originally posted by Nephthys
The more powerful you are the better you'll be in a lightsaber duel.
You still need skill, and don't try to tell me Vitiate has demonstrated enough capability with a lightsaber to take Anakin.

Originally posted by Nephthys
The more powerful you are the better you'll be in a lightsaber duel.

Which is why Vititate got disarmed by a saber throw from Meetra Surik.

I'd like to see somebody legitimately try and defend Vitiate here, because as it is he stands almost no chance in a pure saber duel.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
I'd like to see somebody legitimately try and defend Vitiate here, because as it is he stands almost no chance in a pure saber duel.

You know emperor I think Vitiate might have had a sparring match with Marka Ragnos or maybe some other powerful sith lord at some point so that could mean that Vitiate>Anakin I mean its only logical right?

Vitiate performed really well in lightsaber combat while possessing Kira and during his second duel with HoT. I think he learned a lesson from Meetra's attack.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Vitiate performed really well in lightsaber combat while possessing Kira and during his second duel with HoT. I think he learned a lesson from Meetra's attack.
You think that's enough to beat Anakin?

Originally posted by Emperordmb
You still need skill, and don't try to tell me Vitiate has demonstrated enough capability with a lightsaber to take Anakin.

I'm just explaining his reasoning.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Which is why Vititate got disarmed by a saber throw from Meetra Surik.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
You think that's enough to beat Anakin?
In a pure lightsaber combat, maybe not be I expect Vitiate to give Anakin some major challenge. Its not easy to duel HoT with a lightsaber.

Give Vitiate his powers and he will subdue Anakin.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Which is why Vititate got disarmed by a saber throw from Meetra Surik.
That attack came as a surprise to Vitiate and it may have disarmed many in his place. Saber Throw attacks are very strong applications of TK and dangerous.

Remember when Malgus threw his saber towards Zallow, the latter evaded it with his full concentration. And Zallow was/is an excellent swordsman.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
In a pure lightsaber combat, maybe not be I expect Vitiate to give Anakin some major challenge. Its not easy to duel HoT with a lightsaber.

Give Vitiate his powers and he will subdue Anakin.
This isn't an all-out fight though, this is sabers only.

Vitiate cannot beat Anakin without force attacks.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
This isn't an all-out fight though, this is sabers only.

Vitiate cannot beat Anakin without force attacks.
I know, Vitiate also can create duplicates of himself during a lightsaber duel to confuse an opponent and take him/her down.

Anakin of course.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
I know, Vitiate also can create duplicates of himself during a lightsaber duel to confuse an opponent and take him/her down.
Sabers only means sabers only. Illusions don't usually come with the standard lightsaber.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Sabers only means sabers only. Illusions don't usually come with the standard lightsaber.
Fair enough

Vitiate's manifestations (ie his duplicates) didn't really impress me all that much.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Vitiate's manifestations (ie his duplicates) didn't really impress me all that much.
Not impressive? Those manifestations could act independently and hurt/kill anybody, they were also excellent for confusing the opponent in a lightsaber duel. HoT made a wise decision to bring his droid with him who covered his back.

The HoT is shown in cutscene slashing most of them down in a matter of seconds.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
The HoT is shown in cutscene slashing most of them down in a matter of seconds.
Of-course, a lightsaber would be sufficient to terminate most threats. Realistically, it takes one hit from a lightsaber to end a duel.

Also, that droid helped HoT in handling these manifestations. Otherwise, HoT may have gotten struck down himself.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
The HoT is shown in cutscene slashing most of them down in a matter of seconds.
Yeah this is what I'm talking about.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Yeah this is what I'm talking about.
HoT is a superb swordsman. On top of this, he had help from his droid. In addition, those manifestations were illusions.

In a better setting and with Vitiate at his proper strength, this tactic can really benefit him a lightsaber duel if he is not dealing with a Strike Team.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
HoT is a superb swordsman. On top of this, he had help from his droid. In addition, those manifestations were illusions.

In a better setting and with Vitiate at his proper strength, this tactic can really benefit him a lightsaber duel if he is not dealing with a Strike Team.
If Vitiate has his illusions, and he and his illusions can only use lightsabers and not any force attacks, then Anakin still wins a saber duel.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
If Vitiate has his illusions, and he and his illusions can only use lightsabers and not any force attacks, then Anakin still wins a saber duel.
Let us be realistic about this, if Anakin is looking and combating Vitiate in this manner, he is looking at several beings with no idea of which one is original. Anakin can fall in this kind of situation. And this isn't taking anything from Anakin. Anybody can falter in this kind of situation unless he have help or is really lucky.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Let us be realistic about this, if Anakin is looking and combating Vitiate in this manner, he is looking at several beings with no idea of which one is original. Anakin can fall in this kind of situation. And this isn't taking anything from Anakin. Anybody can falter in this kind of situation unless he have help or his really lucky.
The only reason the illusions were trouble is because they were spamming force attacks.

In pure saber combat Anakin would cut them all down with consummate ease.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
The only reason the illusions were trouble is because they were spamming force attacks.
No, those illusions were dangerous even without unleashing Force powers since each illusion wielded a lightsaber; those illusions were impressive manifestations of dark sorcery. Just one hit from any angle would have been sufficient to cripple or kill an opponent.

Keep in mind that HoT benefited from his droid in this kind of situation and that Vitiate was not at his proper strength either. Anakin does not have assistance in this contest or does he and we are not assuming weakened Vitiate or are we?

Originally posted by Emperordmb
In pure saber combat Anakin would cut them all down with consummate ease.
Not necessarily, specially if Vitiate engages Anakin alongside his illusions.

Anakin. Easily.

What part of 'sabers only' escapes your comprehension?

Originally posted by carthage
What part of 'sabers only' escapes your comprehension?
The conversation got off topic on a different tangent. It's not that he couldn't understand the difference. We went off on a what if scenario. Don't insult him for no reason.

K

Originally posted by Nephthys
I'm just explaining his reasoning.

Yep thats exactly what I meant. Its pretty common.

Saber skills do determine it but overall power hierarchy in the force should be related. Anakin is so much weaker than him so its not so wrong to assume Vitiate is more skilled than Anakin.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
The conversation got off topic on a different tangent. It's not that he couldn't understand the difference. We went off on a what if scenario. Don't insult him for no reason.
Thank you

Originally posted by carthage
K


Cold man, really cold.

Considering Vitiate doesn't even know how to correctly hold a lightsaber, I doubt his manifestations would have any consummate skill. If Anakin can take blaster wielding armies while blindfolded, then he can take a few plebs swinging their blades like baseball bats.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Considering Vitiate doesn't even know how to correctly hold a lightsaber, I doubt his manifestations would have any consummate skill. If Anakin can take blaster wielding armies while blindfolded, then he can take a few plebs swinging their blades like baseball bats.
Normally I hate lowballing characters in this manner, but Vitiate has no legitimate showings with a lightsaber and doesn't seem too familiar with how to wield one.

What is this? Anakin bends him over his knee and spanks him, not unlike Padme on a friday night.

Vitiate didn't show unfamiliarity with a lightsaber when he possessed Kira.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Vitiate didn't show unfamiliarity with a lightsaber when he possessed Kira.
Aside from that Grand Marshal display, what skill did he show? And what did this skill show that made it seem that he would be above Anakin, trained in a style made purely for saber on saber dueling.

I didn't say he displayed prowess above Anakin, I said he obviously knew how to handle a lightsaber.

Not by Revan's standards, apparently.

How so?

Revan claimed Vitiate didn't know how to handle a lightsaber.

wait, when? I actually don't recall that.

IIRC it was when Vitiate had picked up Revan's blade, it was noted that from the way he held it he was not used to handling lightsabers.

Not in my version of the book.

There are different versions?? :O

Anakin obliterates Vitiate./thread

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
There are different versions?? :O

He's joking

I'm looking at my copy and it doesn't say that, is what I meant.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
There are different versions?? :O