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These guys are involved in two of the best boxing stories in comics.
Superman Vs Muhammed Ali and Marvel Two in One annual #7.

In each case, neither would go down to their opponents.

So, on equal footing (superman under a red sun simulator after a block of instruction with Ali, Ben in human form, having trained in boxing since his early teens), what are the results of a 12 round match?
A knockout for either fighter? Or does the fight go the distance, and come down to a decision?

Superman without his powers is 6 foot 3, 235 lbs early 30s, with strength speed and stamina of a man who engages in intensive regular exercise.

Ben Grimm in human form is 6 feet tall, 220 lbs mid 40s with strength speed and stamina of a man who engages in intensive regular exercise.

Supes wins.

I'm assuming you're making things semi-realistic, what with the no powers etc.

Superman has a reach advantage, a weight advantage (plus its pure muscle), and is younger.

Superman also has fight skills of his own that he brings.

I could have gone with powers, but Superman's showing against Ali was without, and Ben was an experienced fighter before his transformation. Seemed better.
Both these guys showed true grit against overwhelming opponents. I was interested in seeing if posters thought a knockout was likely here (i dont).
And yes, Superman has varied fighting skills, so does Ben, but i'm talking boxing, specifically an Ali instructed Superman and Ben, who himself used Ali tactics against Champion.
No Krypton Fu involved, or other plot devices. None were used in the Ali fight, so they dont factor here.

You said Superman wins. How? KO or decision?

I would go with a KO in a later round, when Clark's age and stamina proves more telling in the later stages.

Cool, though i disagree.
Ben's too stubborn to go down, and Superman is too, of course!

Originally posted by riv6672

Ben's too stubborn to go down--

No wonder Alicia left him.

Ha, bazinga!

Originally posted by riv6672
Ha, bazinga!

Originally posted by Delta1938
No wonder Alicia left him.

Originally posted by Delta1938
No wonder Alicia left him.
And now I'm thinking about the logistics of a turgid rock penis
Thanks

Originally posted by maxivitopowe
And now I'm thinking about the logistics of a turgid rock penis
Thanks

You're welcome!!

Superman wins this. Include powers and this becomes interesting.

Nope, no powers here.

Superman IMO, loses on decision in a pretty good match. His age and physical advantages are countered by Ben's boxing experience. Neither gets a KO. But Ben, the much better boxer, will pick him apart.

Originally posted by carver9
Superman wins this. Include powers and this becomes interesting.



Yes it becomes spite. That's why this fight is with no powers.

Originally posted by maxivitopowe
And now I'm thinking about the logistics of a turgid rock penis
Thanks You've been Brucified.

So is everyone talking about preboot superman or did he get skilled all the sudden?

Originally posted by pym-ftw
So is everyone talking about preboot superman or did he get skilled all the sudden?
Superman has learned boxing in DCnU too. Just because Soule can't write a competent superman because he has to show wonder woman doesn't means he isn't skilled.

Originally posted by h1a8
Yes it becomes spite. That's why this fight is with no powers.
Pretty much this. If this has to rely on powers to get a win for Superman, it shows a certain lack of faith in his HTH skill, really.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
So is everyone talking about preboot superman or did he get skilled all the sudden?
Its in the OP. Ali schooled Superman from the story cited.