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Yamucha after his training with Kaio vs narutoverse

note that he was able to beat recoome so he can planet bust

Even Saiyan Saga DB characters can solo the HST

He gets mind-controlled and trapped in a permanent illusion.

More like just blitzes the shit out of everybody and spams energy blasts

Originally posted by StealthRanger
More like just blitzes the shit out of everybody and spams energy blasts

Hypersonic carpet bombings

>implies hypersonic is anything special to DBZ characters who have been in the mach double digits since the Red Ribbon Army Arc
>Implying they have the DC to harm any Z fighter

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>implying i said hypersonic was his limit
>implying he would ever have to go anything more than hypersonic
>talking like this on this website

nice try pal.

Though if you were referring to Yamcha carpet bombing them, then my mistake

Not sure how Yamcha plans to stop omni directional mind control.

Also unlike Goku, Yamcha hasn't demonstrated the durability to tank the best of what the Naruroverse has to offer.

Not sure how said mind****ers tend to do this before being nuked

There's always powerscaling. And Yamcha is at least as powerful as Raditz during the Saiyan Saga, that mother****er being above Piccolo who busted the moon easily

Infinite Tsukuyomi doesn't take that long to activate and is virtually impossible to dodge.

Also my DBZ knowledge is a bit rusty but what exactly has Yamcha tanked that would warrant he could survive Juubi bijudama...or the Kurama's for that matter.

He still has to think to use it. And Yamcha is far faster than anything in Nardo

He's more durable then Raditz who tanked Piccolo's casual shit, which has busted the moon (the energy was calced to be nearing the GBE of the Earth)

Raditz being one of DBZ's low tier ****ers

That's still not a decent clarification. Also Madara isn't the only one that can cast it.

The Narutoverse is above Raditz now so that doesn't help. And how exactly do we know the moon buster was casual.

A barrage of mountain busting attacks is also going to do some damage.

When did Nardoverse become stronger than Raditz? Best I've heard for them is multi-continent

Piccolo just sent an energy blast to the moon which blew it up. We have no reason to believe it's some kind of uber powerful technique

No it isn't

For almost a year, due to the big bump in power, it's been agree that Nappa is now the weakest DBZ character that could solo the Narutoverse. Course that was before Infinite Tsukuyomi came into play.

Even if that's the case, not doubting Piccolo's power, but he hasn't done anything Luke that afterwards even after fusing with Kami.

Yamcha died by getting blown up and was impaled by 20. dude doesn't gave very good durability or at least not enoughto warrant he could tank attacks from multiple biju.

What puts Nardo above a guy who stomped both Goku and Piccolo (one of whom busted the moon and the other is more or less equal to him). Raditz is also Mach 89+ (can't remember which feat it was calced off, though I believe 23rd Budoukai Goku was that fast)

And Nappa would just be silly overkill against the HST. Two fingers



Don't care



By a Saibaman. Who is equal to Raditz in power. This is hardly a low end showing. I get Yamcha's a joke character but, seriously, lol

Not certain is to why losing to 20 is supposed to be a low showing either

Yamcha is still susectible to things like poison, illusions and dimensional transport the hst can def beat him. Especially if yamcha is at best hypersonic

Someone like Chaotzu would be a much larger threat, due to his psychics.

Originally posted by StealthRanger
More like just blitzes the shit out of everybody and spams energy blasts

How does that prevent him from getting caught in the world-wide genjutsu?



She. And she doesn't have to be in the same *country* as Yamcha for it to hit.




Mind you, Raditz's best feat is merely mountain-busting.

Originally posted by Q99
How does that prevent him from getting caught in the world-wide genjutsu?



She. And she doesn't have to be in the same *country* as Yamcha for it to hit.

Who said they started in different countries?



And then there's always powerscaling

Which he's superior to early SS Piccolo who busted the moon casually

Kaguya can warp dimensions and when has Yamcha done anything that would suggest he could get to either Madara or Kaguya fast enough to prevent them from casting it.

Then there's always Koto or Izanami that would trap him.

Saiyan saga yamucha was better than the saibaman because he beat it but it sneak attacked him

Yamucha after his training with Kaio where he beats recoome who is above Saiyan saga vegeta many times over.

Kaio trained yamucha>Saiyan saga vegeta> narutoverse

Originally posted by StealthRanger
Though if you were referring to Yamcha carpet bombing them, then my mistake

lol

"Carpet bombing..."

That's where you take a shit on a hairy vagina.

Listen if a mindless creature like the saibamen can sneak attack and kill yamcha the ppl in the hst can definitely outsmart and kill him.

Originally posted by OhLawdyLawd
Saiyan saga yamucha was better than the saibaman because he beat it but it sneak attacked him

Yamucha after his training with Kaio where he beats recoome who is above Saiyan saga vegeta many times over.

Kaio trained yamucha>Saiyan saga vegeta> narutoverse

Then he wasn't better than the Saibaman.

Mind you if you've already determined that Yamcha is so far above the Narutoverse then why make this thread?

I just would like to add my two cents.

20 didn't kill yamcha. He drained him dry and left a huge hole in his chest and decimated is most important organs. he also lost a good amount of blood, but he didn't die. His damage soak is alot higher than people give him credit for.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
Then he wasn't better than the Saibaman.

by your logic if someone looses a street fight and pulls a gun out and shoots him the guy who shoots him won the street fight.

Originally posted by OhLawdyLawd
by your logic if someone looses a street fight and pulls a gun out and shoots him the guy who shoots him won the street fight.

The guy with the gun definitely won.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
The guy with the gun definitely won.

Lmao he used a bad analogy cuz the guy with the gun wins a street right at keast 95 percent of the time

***** please, Hogoromo created the moon, and he's not even the strongest character.

That said, Infinite Tsukuyomi is the Narutoverse's best shot at this.

Originally posted by chasedown
Lmao he used a bad analogy cuz the guy with the gun wins a street right at keast 95 percent of the time

Weather you want to admit it or no Yamucha handled that saibaman like a pro and that was the only way the saibaman could win because he had no chance otherwise.

Originally posted by OhLawdyLawd
Weather you want to admit it or no Yamucha handled that saibaman like a pro and that was the only way the saibaman could win because he had no chance otherwise.


He still was tricked and ended up dead.


If a mindless saibaman can trick him than yamcha would definitely be tricked by the ppl of higher intellect within the hst

Getting tricked=/= less powerfull

Intelligence has nothing to do with it if he goes in with the mindset to kill everyone on the planet. Dbz characters would obviously start flying and nuking everything

Originally posted by OhLawdyLawd
Getting tricked=/= less powerfull

Intelligence has nothing to do with it if he goes in with the mindset to kill everyone on the planet. Dbz characters would obviously start flying and nuking everything

I never equated intelligence to power.


Intelligence can win battles

Yamcha is not immune to mind control, illusions, poison. Is still human and can die from lack of oxygen or being sent to another dimension yamcha can lose. Also there are tons off ppl who are smarter than him and smart enough to trick him. Strategies can be made to defeat him.


Hes also not much faster than alot of ppl within the hst.

Yamcha cant teleport. Ppl within the hst can.


Also yamcha died from a rather weak explosion his durability leaves much to be desired

Next time someone makes a thread like this mind set has to be established

Still not seeing what stops Yamcha from just nuking the HST

Also, lol weak explosion, considering that, again, the Saibaman was as powerful as Raditz, who>the HST

If nothing else, they're not beating any DBZ char worth their salt in conventional firepower

Originally posted by StealthRanger
Still not seeing what stops Yamcha from just nuking the HST

Also, lol weak explosion, considering that, again, the Saibaman was as powerful as Raditz, who>the HST

If nothing else, they're not beating any DBZ char worth their salt in conventional firepower

What about the characters that are immortal

Or How about yamchas' mindset and the fact that hes shown nothing more a than a mere city busting destructive capacity

Nobody cares about CIS

Unless immortality shows them as able to survive planet busters, it means nothing

Yamcha by the end of the Frieza Saga is easily more powerful than SS Piccolo, again, same mother****er who blew up the moon. "mere city busting" my dick

But CIS is important. Keep in mind that pretty much every DB character opts to go man to man, hand to hand rather than hanging back and ki blasting. Yamcha indeed has the power and speed to handle any of these guys but he also tends to be sloppy.

Originally posted by StealthRanger
Nobody cares about CIS

Unless immortality shows them as able to survive planet busters, it means nothing

Yamcha by the end of the Frieza Saga is easily more powerful than SS Piccolo, again, same mother****er who blew up the moon. "mere city busting" my dick

Unless stated othrwise by the maker of the thread you cant have characters acting out of character.


Yamcha would die if he blew up the earth.

One could argue in order for him to blow up the earth there would be a charge time. Since for vegeta there was one. This would leave an opening for many hax abilities within the hst. Sealing techniques and others that can hurt him.


Even if he did blow the planet there are characters within the verse that can survive it example, edo tensei, izanagi, kamui , dimensional travel using the garganta.

Edo tensei have survived atomic dismantling a pb isnt going to stop them

Koto amatsukami, izanami and kyoka suigetsu are also things yamcha cannot avoid nor does he have the brains to see through shinji's shikai.

Matter of fact all tobi has to do is use izanagi and then send yamcha to the kamui dimension

All torune has to do is touch him and hes dead

Theres a number of ways he could yamcha could the many different outlets of mind control being another one

Lol trying to say someone more powerful faster than saiyan saga vegeta cant solo the naruto verse is nonsense. Muten roshi can even catch bullets and yamucha surpassed him before Z. Not to mention he was a bandit and theres more than a few references to yamucha being informed of current events. Not to mention he was one of the only people to see trough roshis disguise for jackie chun even with bulma there.

Originally posted by OhLawdyLawd
Lol trying to say someone more powerful faster than saiyan saga vegeta cant solo the naruto verse is nonsense. Muten roshi can even catch bullets and yamucha surpassed him before Z. Not to mention he was a bandit and theres more than a few references to yamucha being informed of current events. Not to mention he was one of the only people to see trough roshis disguise for jackie chun even with bulma there.


What does bullet catching have to do with anything when about 90% of the hst is hypersonic or faster than bullets

The real question is why his being a bandit and seeing through Roshi's disguise matters.

Im telling you how old that speed is in the db verse. Only a few characters in naruto can fly, much less hypersonic speed while moutain + busting and being able to planet bust at will

Originally posted by OhLawdyLawd
Im telling you how old that speed is in the db verse. Only a few characters in naruto can fly, much less hypersonic speed while moutain + busting and being able to planet bust at will


Yamcha cant just pb he would have to charge up for that and if he tried to that would leave openings for many outlets for yamcha to lose.

And yet Yamcha is massively faster than the HST, so charge time is a pointless argument. Was waiting for someone to spout that gem though

Doesn't even need to planet bust. Just spam country busters, well if Nappa could

Originally posted by StealthRanger
And yet Yamcha is massively faster than the HST, so charge time is a pointless argument. Was waiting for someone to spout that gem though

Doesn't even need to planet bust. Just spam country busters, well if Nappa could izanagi, edo tensei off the bat are two things that would survive that as well as ftg and kamui travel

The thread maker made it clear that this is anime Yamcha, not manga Yamcha.

Yamcha is more powerful than Recoome, who is more powerful than King Vegeta.

King Vegeta obliterated a planet and both of its moons with a single casual blast.

I'm pretty sure Yamcha wins.

Is Yamcha stronger than current depowered Kaguya?

Saiyan Saga Vegeta busted a planet with 2 fingers

Since it's anime Yamcha and all

So how does that help him stop IT? Also if CIS is on, Yamcha is definitely more likely to fall under it.

Originally posted by NemeBro
The thread maker made it clear that this is anime Yamcha, not manga Yamcha.

Yamcha is more powerful than Recoome, who is more powerful than King Vegeta.

King Vegeta obliterated a planet and both of its moons with a single casual blast.

I'm pretty sure Yamcha wins.

Also if this is anime yamcha then he wouldnt blow up the earth because 1. He would die himself and 2. Its not in his character to do so


Where was it stated that he was more powerful than recoome.

he beat reecome in a filler episode.

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
he beat reecome in a filler episode.

It wasn't in a filler it was in the anime where he was training with tien chaotzu piccolo and kaio

filler is just anime that wasn't in the manga. Filler. still counts for the thread though.

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
filler is just anime that wasn't in the manga. Filler. still counts for the thread though.

Hes probably around that power during the android saga anyway

Yamcha cant defeat edo tensei

Originally posted by OhLawdyLawd
Hes probably around that power during the android saga anyway

Lmfao yes he can. For that technique you need to find the body, you need dna it would just be delaying the inevitable

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
So how does that help him stop IT? Also if CIS is on, Yamcha is definitely more likely to fall under it. By killing everyone who could use it.

He could kill the only characters capable of using it and the rest of the series with a single attack.

This isn't a fight. It's a slaughter.

Originally posted by NemeBro
By killing everyone who could use it.

He could kill the only characters capable of using it and the rest of the series with a single attack.

This isn't a fight. It's a slaughter.

He doesnt know which ones can use it remember hes fighting the whole verse

He can kill the whole verse with a single attack.

Originally posted by yungz22
He doesnt know which ones can use it remember hes fighting the whole verse

Jiraiya couldnt be revived because of the water pressure, yamucha can just make 100000ft title waves to put everyone under water. All in seconds ofc

Originally posted by NemeBro
He can kill the whole verse with a single attack.
But what are the chances he'd get the attack off before being put under IT.

Pretty good considering how fast he is and how casual the attack is.

More than one person can cast through. Wouldn't he have to get both in order to not be put under IT: which I still doubt that Yamcha could do even if we are using the version that beat Recoome.

He could vaporize the planet and its moon with a single casual attack if he wanted to.

Yet you doubt he can hit both people with that attack?

Originally posted by NemeBro
He could vaporize the planet and its moon with a single casual attack if he wanted to.

Yet you doubt he can hit both people with that attack?
Um...yes.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Um...yes. I, for some unfathomably stupid reason, think that Yamcha wouldn't be able to throw a ki blast with a gesture faster than light, before someone could cast IT on him. Or simply before he could shoot a wave to vaporize the surface of the planet entirely.

Well, I guess everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Regardless of how senseless and ridiculous it may be.

Man to dbz fans all the characters in it are gods and cant be beaten no sense in arguing with them

Originally posted by yungz22
Man to dbz fans all the characters in it are gods and cant be beaten no sense in arguing with them

You seem butthurt

Even if Yamcha didn't vaporise the planet and it's moon (it'd prolly kill him, being in space, that is), he could still generate enough energy to glass the Nardoverse planet in one attack and given he's faster he'll move first, last and just once

And no, many of us acknowledge DBZ has it's limits, Nardoverse doesn't exceed them. HST is garbage to DBZ, always has been, always will be

Originally posted by StealthRanger
You seem butthurt

Even if Yamcha didn't vaporise the planet and it's moon (it'd prolly kill him, being in space, that is), he could still generate enough energy to glass the Nardoverse planet in one attack and given he's faster he'll move first, last and just once

And no, many of us acknowledge DBZ has it's limits, Nardoverse doesn't exceed them. HST is garbage to DBZ, always has been, always will be

Yamcha is not much faster than those in the naruto verse hes hypersonic at best. Hes definitely not faster than teleportation.Nor is he smart at all. He was tricked and killed by a saibaman. The hst can definitely outsmart him.


Izanagi, edo tensei, kamui dimension transfer,koto amatsukami. Poison so on and so forth.

Yamcha can not defeat edo tensei nor does he know which ninja can cast such a jutsu., nor does he have any defense against genjutsu

You also have actual demi gods of the naruto verse like hagoromo, kaguya and hamura. Who have the power to halt an opponents ability to mold energy

Also you never see any dbz character start a fight off with blowing up the entire area they always start off with taijutsu.... Unless stated that yamcha is blood lusted you cant just say he would blow the entire place up in a fight its not in his character to do that.

One on one yamcha can beat basically anybody. But against the whole verse i beg to difer unless your trying to tell me that yamcha is smarter kaguya,hagoromo,madara,itachi, the kages, shikamaru, shikaku, oro, kabuto abd jiraiya and the rest of the verse combined.

Dude youre crazy. Saiyan saga yamucha was fighting so fast he couldnt be seen. He destroyed the saibaman and it played dead and self destructed on him. Yamucha is known for his bad luck not stupidity. If anything hes known for being a strategist because thats what you do when your a dessert bandit. (He had an information network too).

How is the narutoverse going to fight back when every second there getting nuked and they cant even see the guy.

While I do think IT would get Yamcha before he glasses everything, I also agree that he's fast enough to kill everybody without it.

Yamcha should by all rights be a casual planet buster, we are using anime version afterall, I still think the Narutoverse would trump due to hax.

Originally posted by OhLawdyLawd
Dude youre crazy. Saiyan saga yamucha was fighting so fast he couldnt be seen. He destroyed the saibaman and it played dead and self destructed on him. Yamucha is known for his bad luck not stupidity. If anything hes known for being a strategist because thats what you do when your a dessert bandit. (He had an information network too).

How is the narutoverse going to fight back when every second there getting nuked and they cant even see the guy.

Moving faster than the eye can see is only supersonic. And i said he was hypersonic so i actually gave him a boost in that category how am i crazy lol

Again if a saibaman can trick him why cant madara or kakashi or any ninja chunnin level and above do the same.

Also i agree its the hax and other dire mortal human weakness that i take into consideration saying yamcha could lose

Originally posted by yungz22
Moving faster than the eye can see is only supersonic. And i said he was hypersonic so i actually gave him a boost in that category how am i crazy lol

Again if a saibaman can trick him why cant madara or kakashi or any ninja chunnin level and above do the same.

Also i agree its the hax and other dire mortal human weakness that i take into consideration saying yamcha could lose

Youre crazy for defending your argument, also if you want to exterminate a planet you probably wouldnt even go ground level. All you have to so is carpet bomb (hypersonic+ ofc lol)

By the way krillin said " he probably knew this was going to happen thats why he wouldnt let me do it"

Originally posted by yungz22
Yamcha is not much faster than those in the naruto verse hes hypersonic at best. Hes definitely not faster than teleportation.Nor is he smart at all. He was tricked and killed by a saibaman. The hst can definitely outsmart him.[/QUOTE}

"Only hypersonic". Are you for real yo? 23rd Budoukai characters were Mach 89 and Yamcha is way above any 23rd Budoukai characters

Saiyan Saga Vegeta could keep up with Kaioken x2 Goku and Yamcha is more powerful than SS characters

And again, for ****s sake, said Saibaiman was as powerful as Raditz so "herp derp killed by Saibaiman" is a meaninless argument



Before or after he nukes the whole verse?



Edo Tensei have never demonstrated the ability to survive planet busters so, no, he could

Doesn't need to know, just take flight and glass the planet and everyone on it



Demigod is just a title

And no limit fallacy



Yawn, desperate CIS retorts blah blah blah don't care

Not blow it up, just glass it's surface



Why would he need to be smarter? He can vaporise the whole Nardoverse cast with a single attack before they can fire off a neuron

Originally posted by StealthRanger
Before or after he nukes the whole verse?



Edo Tensei have never demonstrated the ability to survive planet busters so, no, he could

Doesn't need to know, just take flight and glass the planet and everyone on it



Demigod is just a title

And no limit fallacy



Yawn, desperate CIS retorts blah blah blah don't care

Not blow it up, just glass it's surface



Why would he need to be smarter? He can vaporise the whole Nardoverse cast with a single attack before they can fire off a neuron

Obito, madara, danzo's izanagi would survive the blast. All obito has to do is used izanagi and then teleport him to the kamui world.


Also even that kamehameha that yamcha used against the saibaman had a charge time. Thats a wide enough opening for genjutusu to take place. He cant overcome koto amatsukami either

When have they survived planet busters? Like, ever

Also, considering how fast DBZ characters are, I'm failing to see why "herp derp charge time" is still being used as an argument

When planet busting has been shown to be casual in DBZ

Also

>2014
>DBZ vs HST threads
>people still arguing the HST thing has anything resembling a realistic chance at winning

Originally posted by StealthRanger
When have they survived planet busters? Like, ever

Also, considering how fast DBZ characters are, I'm failing to see why "herp derp charge time" is still being used as an argument

When planet busting has been shown to be casual in DBZ

Also

>2014
>DBZ vs HST threads
>people still arguing the HST thing has anything resembling a realistic chance at winning


Yamcha isnt surviving a pb either if he releases one.

Izanagi alters reality.... Did you not see the danzo fight


Edo tensei literally survived atomic dismantling which is more than any pb in dbz has done.

The only reason busting a planet would kill Yamcha is because he can't breathe in space when it's gone so he'd die. And again, doesn't need to bust it, just glass the surface and atmosphere and all that

No I didn't because I couldn't care less about Nardo. Also to what level, because last I checked "herp derp reality warping" doesn't equal "insta-winz"

>implying a planet buster couldn't do more than just atomise a human sized target

Sure, whatever

Originally posted by StealthRanger
The only reason busting a planet would kill Yamcha is because he can't breathe in space when it's gone so he'd die. And again, doesn't need to bust it, just glass the surface and atmosphere and all that

No I didn't because I couldn't care less about Nardo. Also to what level, because last I checked "herp derp reality warping" doesn't equal "insta-winz"

>implying a planet buster couldn't do more than just atomise a human sized target

Sure, whatever

Izanagi is not an instawin but it negates any harm done to the user. And kamui is instant teleportation which yamcha is not faster than.

Cell was reduced to cells not atoms.

Frieza reduced to ashes

Kid buu was purified by good spiritual energy.

Atoms are smaller than all of those things

So when it comes to edo tensei it triumphs over pbs

Originally posted by chasedown
Izanagi is not an instawin but it negates any harm done to the user. And kamui is instant teleportation which yamcha is not faster than.

Cell was reduced to cells not atoms.

Frieza reduced to ashes

Kid buu was purified by good spiritual energy.

Atoms are smaller than all of those things

So when it comes to edo tensei it triumphs over pbs

Lol kid buu was atomized, he was 100% evil and the genki dama was pure so he got atomized. Keep telling yourself the narutoverse put up a fight because they wouldnt even know what hit em

Originally posted by OhLawdyLawd
Lol kid buu was atomized, he was 100% evil and the genki dama was pure so he got atomized. Keep telling yourself the narutoverse put up a fight because they wouldnt even know what hit em

Regardless did kid buu come from. No but edo tensei have.


And also izanagi negates the effects of an attack from an opponent

Originally posted by chasedown
Izanagi is not an instawin but it negates any harm done to the user. And kamui is instant teleportation which yamcha is not faster than.

No limit fallacy

If we wanted to do that, Goku is faster than Superman because he can teleport but Superman can't



Because Frieza and Cell are far more durable than the entire Nardoverse cast combined



Every atom in his body was destroyed by the Spirit Bomb, which is kind of an "evil's bane" attack



K



Waiting for the feats that suggest Nardoverse Edo's can tank planet busters

Why wouldn't they? They can be blasted to bits and be fine.

Originally posted by StealthRanger
No limit fallacy

If we wanted to do that, Goku is faster than Superman because he can teleport but Superman can't



Because Frieza and Cell are far more durable than the entire Nardoverse cast combined



Every atom in his body was destroyed by the Spirit Bomb, which is kind of an "evil's bane" attack



K



Waiting for the feats that suggest Nardoverse Edo's can tank planet busters


Izanagi has nothing to with a no limits fallacy. Weve seen the jutsu in action and how it works. The user is allowed to cheat death in exchange for one of his eyes. It alters reality so that the attack never hit them that has nothing to do with a no limits fallacy.


The evidence that they can take pbs is that the edos came back from atomic dismantling. Did kidd buu come back from being atomized? No he did not. Edo souls are bound to this earth until the user decides to undo the jutsu. Madara is an example of that he took all kinds of damage even atomic dismantling but his efo body kept regenrating back to normal.

Originally posted by chasedown
Izanagi has nothing to with a no limits fallacy. Weve seen the jutsu in action and how it works. The user is allowed to cheat death in exchange for one of his eyes. It alters reality so that the attack never hit them that has nothing to do with a no limits fallacy.

Izanagi user vs Superman Prime, who wins?



The energy of a planet buster (let alone what Frieza Saga chars are at in DC) is far in excess of atomisation of a guy who can tank country level attacks

Buu regens on a subatomic level, yo

I think cell got atomized too because if he has any cells he can regenerate them.

None of the little tricks narutards have will work on pure pb power

Originally posted by StealthRanger
Izanagi user vs Superman Prime, who wins?



The energy of a planet buster (let alone what Frieza Saga chars are at in DC) is far in excess of atomisation of a guy who can tank country level attacks

Buu regens on a subatomic level, yo

Lol what are you talking about if your reduced to atoms thats worse than being blown up.

And again idk why you keep talking about pb's anyway if yamcha blows up the planet hes going to die. Hed also be killing every other human that lived on the anet so thats something he wouldnt do.

Izanagi user by himself cant beat superman. But that user on a team could use it in combonation with other techniques to possibly beat him. Kamui, kotoamatsukami, tsukuyomi, izanagi, kaguya stopping his ability to produce energy, or kaguya sending him to another dimension.


Neither buu nor cell came back from atomization. Edo tensei have.


No kid buu did not http://youtu.be/kKkqrZ6GffI .... If you didnt know atoms are way smaller than this.

Originally posted by chasedown
Lol what are you talking about if your reduced to atoms thats worse than being blown up.

And again idk why you keep talking about pb's anyway if yamcha blows up the planet hes going to die. Hed also be killing every other human that lived on the anet so thats something he wouldnt do.

Izanagi user by himself cant beat superman. But that user on a team could use it in combonation with other techniques to possibly beat him. Kamui, kotoamatsukami, tsukuyomi, izanagi, kaguya stopping his ability to produce energy, or kaguya sending him to another dimension.


Neither buu nor cell came back from atomization. Edo tensei have.


No kid buu did not http://youtu.be/kKkqrZ6GffI .... If you didnt know atoms are way smaller than this.

I should have said bloodlusted when i made this thread, but to clarify you actually think genjutsu and narutard techniques can bring down anyone regardless of their raw strength, power and willpower SUPERMAN INCLUDED.

Confirmed for troll

Originally posted by OhLawdyLawd
I should have said bloodlusted when i made this thread, but to clarify you actually think genjutsu and narutard techniques can bring down anyone regardless of their raw strength, power and willpower SUPERMAN INCLUDED.

Confirmed for troll

Mind set is a big factor when it comes to dbz characters. Bloodlusted yamcha should win but otherwise that naruto verse definitely have a shot.

Yes they are not immune to illusionary techniques or mind control.... Superman himself is not immune to mind control. Theres been many instances where he needed someones help to break free from weaker illusionart or mind control techniques.


Anyways back to yamcha nobody in dbz has withstood geass level mind control, which is what koto amatsukami is. It writes codes into the opponents brain.

Regular genjutsu is more than enough to at least stop a dbz character in there tracks. Example vegeta under went a lot off pain and stress when babidi attempted to control him. Even bringing vegeta to his knees. Yamcha is nowhere near as powerful as vegeta at that point so genjutsu is def a viable weapon against yamcha.

Yamcha is also human and is not immune to poison or illness. Goku himself died from one. There are tons of poison type techniques in naruto that yamcha cannot withstand.

Originally posted by chasedown
Mind set is a big factor when it comes to dbz characters. Bloodlusted yamcha should win but otherwise that naruto verse definitely have a shot.

Yes they are not immune to illusionary techniques or mind control.... Superman himself is not immune to mind control. Theres been many instances where he needed someones help to break free from weaker illusionart or mind control techniques.


Anyways back to yamcha nobody in dbz has withstood geass level mind control, which is what koto amatsukami is. It writes codes into the opponents brain.

Regular genjutsu is more than enough to at least stop a dbz character in there tracks. Example vegeta under went a lot off pain and stress when babidi attempted to control him. Even bringing vegeta to his knees. Yamcha is nowhere near as powerful as vegeta at that point so genjutsu is def a viable weapon against yamcha.

Yamcha is also human and is not immune to poison or illness. Goku himself died from one. There are tons of poison type techniques in naruto that yamcha cannot withstand.

Im pretty sure the magic used against superman is stronger than the genjutsu/techniques in naruto. Im pretty sure babidis magic is way stronger aswell. It makes sense to say the stronger the opponent the stronger your magic/genjustu/technique should be. I dont think anything in the narutoverse can competeAll dbz characters need to do is powerup. They have went through mind training as well with kami too.

Originally posted by OhLawdyLawd
Im pretty sure the magic used against superman is stronger than the genjutsu/techniques in naruto. Im pretty sure babidis magic is way stronger aswell. It makes sense to say the stronger the opponent the stronger your magic/genjustu/technique should be. I dont think anything in the narutoverse can competeAll dbz characters need to do is powerup. They have went through mind training as well with kami too.

Superman has been controlled by mind control techniques that dont involve magic also. Parasites, technology ect.

Babidi's mind control has nothing on a geass level technique.

Babidi's mind control still allows user to operate on their own free will.

A geass like kotoamatsukami does not.

Yiu cant power out of something you dont realize that your under.

Originally posted by chasedown
Superman has been controlled by mind control techniques that dont involve magic also. Parasites, technology ect.

Babidi's mind control has nothing on a geass level technique.

Babidi's mind control still allows user to operate on their own free will.

A geass like kotoamatsukami does not.

Yiu cant power out of something you dont realize that your under.

Uh, are you high?

Babidi's mind control specifically altered your personality itself by making you evil enough for him to control.

Kotoamatsukami relies on a base command that you can freely operate under, such as "protect Konoha". Itachi realized he was under it. You're forgetting that it only alters your five senses, meaning someone with a sixth sense like ki sense, or Solar sense, or phucking Spider sense even, can completely ignore it altogether. Not to mention that we've seen even supposedly unbreakable genjutsu in Naruto capable of being broken with strong enough energy. Yamcha's level of casual multi-planet busting power could easily shrug off any genjutsu in all of Naruto EASILY.

Otherwise, give proof other than a wavering statement that proves otherwise.

Originally posted by chasedown
Izanagi is not an instawin but it negates any harm done to the user. And kamui is instant teleportation which yamcha is not faster than.

Cell was reduced to cells not atoms.

Frieza reduced to ashes

Kid buu was purified by good spiritual energy.

Atoms are smaller than all of those things

So when it comes to edo tensei it triumphs over pbs

Show me one time when an edo tensei has faced cellular vaporization. Even then, you still need proof that said cellular destruction is capable of also bypassing planet+ level durability.

Kamui is not instant anything. Why do you think Minato easily out-sped it with light speed teleportation? Going by destructive force alone, Yamcha could handily vaporize an edo tensei with a wave of his hand, considering he has the destructive force of literally more than a BILLION times anything they have survived before.

Bloodlusted yamcha wins.... If he isnt then the verse has a chance the combonation of hax abilities from the many diffeent characters in the naruto verse is more than formidible for any opponent. Strength isnt the only factor in a battle.

The fight format must also be determined by the thread creator

Gauntlet format: yamcha wins

Team format: can be argued for either side

Originally posted by chasedown
Bloodlusted yamcha wins.... If he isnt then the verse has a chance the combonation of hax abilities from the many diffeent characters in the naruto verse is more than formidible for any opponent. Strength isnt the only factor in a battle.

The fight format must also be determined by the thread creator

Gauntlet format: yamcha wins

Team format: can be argued for either side

There is no argument to be made here. It's as simple as YAMCHA CAN EASILY WAVE AWAY AND DISREGARD ANY TECHNIQUE USED IN NARUTO, SIMPLY BECAUSE EVERY ATTACK IN NARUTO CAN BE OVERCOME WITH ENOUGH SHEER FORCE. Even Genjutsu.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
There is no argument to be made here. It's as simple as YAMCHA CAN EASILY WAVE AWAY AND DISREGARD ANY TECHNIQUE USED IN NARUTO, SIMPLY BECAUSE EVERY ATTACK IN NARUTO CAN BE OVERCOME WITH ENOUGH SHEER FORCE. Even Genjutsu.


How can yamcha overcome sealing techniques, survive atomic dismantling,defeat edo tensei, fight against kotoamatsukami, fight against being sent to another dimension by kaguya,kakashi or obito avoid having his energy blocked by a god. All of these thing plus more are being used by ppl who are way more intelligent than him. If yamcha was tricked and killed by a saibaman the verse should def present a problem for him if he isnt bloodlusted.

How can yamcha power out of illness when goku himself has died from it.


Genjutsu dont just get powerd out of naruto tried that and failed. Also last time i checked yamcha doesnt have a demon living inside of him.

By killing them all before they can even blink



Atomisation isn't hax



By blasting them apart with far more energy then they've been shown to survive (Don't mind me, I'll wait for the feat where they've been shown to tank, say, petatons of energy with ease)



Waiting for the feat where he shuts off energy levels that make the entire HST combined and x1000 a drop in the ocean



The heart disease that killed Goku was implied to be very powerful. Trunks after all did say "not even a mighty Super Saiyan could fight off such a disease" or whatever. Going by that statement, Trunks implied it was very powerful



And yes, because Naruto=Yamcha silly me. Naruto couldn't even scathe Raditz.



That's the same shit as to why force users like Sidious and Revan couldn't mind**** Naruto characters "he has a demon fox living inside him"

Also "lawl genjutsu". Takes me back to the Naruto characters vs Star Wars top tier threads of the old days

Good times

Originally posted by StealthRanger
By killing them all before they can even blink



Atomisation isn't hax



By blasting them apart with far more energy then they've been shown to survive (Don't mind me, I'll wait for the feat where they've been shown to tank, say, petatons of energy with ease)



Waiting for the feat where he shuts off energy levels that make the entire HST combined and x1000 a drop in the ocean



The heart disease that killed Goku was implied to be very powerful. Trunks after all did say "not even a mighty Super Saiyan could fight off such a disease" or whatever. Going by that statement, Trunks implied it was very powerful



And yes, because Naruto=Yamcha silly me. Naruto couldn't even scathe Raditz.



That's the same shit as to why force users like Sidious and Revan couldn't mind**** Naruto characters "he has a demon fox living inside him"

Also "lawl genjutsu". Takes me back to the Naruto characters vs Star Wars top tier threads of the old days

Good times

Again it comes back to mindset which i conceded if hes bloodlusted he wins.


Atomic dismantling isnt hax but yamcha isnt coming back from that.

Lol yamucha can probably just use a zanzoken to be in all the villages at once while being in the sky ki blasting

Originally posted by OhLawdyLawd
Lol yamucha can probably just use a zanzoken to be in all the villages at once while being in the sky ki blasting


after images arent clones so he cant do that.

Originally posted by yungz22
after images arent clones so he cant do that.

Use the zanzoken just to be in the villages not ki blasting

Originally posted by yungz22
Again it comes back to mindset which i conceded if hes bloodlusted he wins.


Atomic dismantling isnt hax but yamcha isnt coming back from that.

You are, without a doubt, the least intelligent person on this website.

I've disproved this probably hundreds of times already. Amaterasu gets yelled off like it was by Nagato, Tsukiyomi, like all genjutsu, can be broken with enough raw force(which Yamcha, considering he's a casual planet buster, obviously has), Atomic dismantling can be blocked if you're strong enough, which Yamcha's durability says he is, and any other shit hax you can think of.

Yes though, he can purge the planet of all life before anyone even knew what happened.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
You are, without a doubt, the least intelligent person on this website.

I've disproved this probably hundreds of times already. Amaterasu gets yelled off like it was by Nagato, Tsukiyomi, like all genjutsu, can be broken with enough raw force(which Yamcha, considering he's a casual planet buster, obviously has), Atomic dismantling can be blocked if you're strong enough, which Yamcha's durability says he is, and any other shit hax you can think of.

Yes though, he can purge the planet of all life before anyone even knew what happened.


Yes if yamcha was bloodlusted he would "purge" the planet thats already conceded that whats the point in restating it.... He would not do that if he wasnt tho.

Who blocked genkai hakuri?

Originally posted by yungz22
Yes if yamcha was bloodlusted he would "purge" the planet thats already conceded that whats the point in restating it.... He would not do that if he wasnt tho.

Who blocked genkai hakuri?

Exactly. This is a fight to the death though, so yeah, he's bloodlusted.

Just for the sake of argument though, I'll go along with this silly charade.

Genkai Hakuri? You mean atomic dismantling? If so, It was Madara, as well as Muu. Madara shrugged it off with Susano'o, and Muu collided against it. Those two feats prove it's similarity to energy beams, and therefor it's weaknesses to something more powerful than it. Not to mention any of it's users would be ashes before pulling off the hand-signs.

Either way, if this is the best counter you got, then just give up, lol.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Exactly. This is a fight to the death though, so yeah, he's bloodlusted.

Just for the sake of argument though, I'll go along with this silly charade.

Genkai Hakuri? You mean atomic dismantling? If so, It was Madara, as well as Muu. Madara shrugged it off with Susano'o, and Muu collided against it. Those two feats prove it's similarity to energy beams, and therefor it's weaknesses to something more powerful than it. Not to mention any of it's users would be ashes before pulling off the hand-signs.

Either way, if this is the best counter you got, then just give up, lol.

Muu cancelled it out with the same exact attack not ki energy.

Actually madara's susanoo was dismantled to atoms. And only reason he lived is because he was an edo tensei.

Ki doesnt necessarily dismantle atoms. Frieza was reduced to ash, cell had every cell in his body destroyed. While buu was purified by the spirit bomb and later reincarnated.

Ki is more explosive energy while genkai hakuri isnt. Genkai hakuri breaks down objects past the molecular level.

Notice everytime genkai hakuri is used there is no explosion that follows. Genkai hakuri is actually more advanced than a ki blast.

Disintergration is not equal to explosive power

I just reread the boo saga and piccolo said he should have vapoized buus ashes

Originally posted by yungz22
Muu cancelled it out with the same exact attack not ki energy.

Actually madara's susanoo was dismantled to atoms. And only reason he lived is because he was an edo tensei.

Ki doesnt necessarily dismantle atoms. Frieza was reduced to ash, cell had every cell in his body destroyed. While buu was purified by the spirit bomb and later reincarnated.

Ki is more explosive energy while genkai hakuri isnt. Genkai hakuri breaks down objects past the molecular level.

Notice everytime genkai hakuri is used there is no explosion that follows. Genkai hakuri is actually more advanced than a ki blast.

Disintergration is not equal to explosive power

Yes, and the fact that with the same attack, he could cancel it, proves that it is a physical blast, whether or not it has an explosion.

Yes, ki is explosive, but it can be condensed to the point where the heat can vaporize base matter. That's how kid Buu was killed, along with the purifying power of the spirit bomb.

Madara shrugged it off when he went perfect Susano'o. This proves that with enough energy and power, it can be blown away, like any other attack.

Yamcha uses a kiai and it's done.