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Who takes the majority 10/10?

currently, Cage could probably beat him more times than not.

Classic Wolverine would murderstomp Cage.

Originally posted by zopzop
Classic Wolverine would murderstomp Cage. to bad this isn't classic wolverine eh?

Cage wins, with ease.

If logan has the strength to easily penetrate Cages skin then I don't see him losing

Wolverine pressure point attacks Cage mwahahs

Wolverine even with a healing factor, gets hurt, knocked out, pinned down; Cage is more than able to do all three to him.

Wolverine can't instantly kill Cage, no matter what people may think.
Cage is also a dang good fighter. He was good before training with Iron Fist. He's taken powerful explosive blasts unphased, he's fought Hulk, Wonder Man, Ironman, Iron Clad. His strength's not an issue here.
Durability is, and Wolverine is not just going to slash him like a regular human.
Wolverine's had some great fights against Hulk, but Cage is a much cannier fighter.
Hulk fights a lot like Wolverine himself. Taking massive damage to deliver a hit. Wolverine's a fairly skilled fighter, but usually just brawls. Cage can get wins here.

Does Cage really have an allergic reaction to adamantium, or was that just canon for the game? If he is, I don't see how in the world Wolverine would lose this. However I have not been keeping up with him lately so I don't even know if he still has an adamantium skeleton, or if he got his HF back. I don't know how Marvel allows it's writers to go buck wild on their best characters?

He's not allergic to adamantium, to the best of my knowledge. Depends if he can cut him, I guess - but Cage could easily give Wolvie severe brain damage like how Hulk gave it to him. Hell, ANY punch from Cage would give Wolvie severe internal trauma.

Pretty sure they used adamantium to operate on Luke and if an average surgeon can cut him open Wolverine should too.

Originally posted by SamZED
Pretty sure they used adamantium to operate on Luke and if an average surgeon can cut him open Wolverine should too.

Wasn't a power drainer involved?

I believe so.

Regardless, i doubt Cage is just going to stand there and let Wolverine gut him.

Wolverine doesn't need his hf for this one.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Wolverine doesn't need his hf for this one. cage says Sweet Christmas and logan dies.

Wolverine was able break free from Ursa Major

Originally posted by golem370
Wolverine was able break free from Ursa Major what's your point?

Originally posted by deathslash
cage says Sweet Christmas and logan dies.

No.

Snikt, bub.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
No.

Snikt, bub.
Bendis Power, bub.

Bendis and Cage broke up, the latter is no longer being fed with the cum power.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Bendis and Cage broke up, the latter is no longer being fed with the cum power.
He still has enough bendispower to beat Logan.

Bendis' Logan beat the most powerful being in the omniverse (Lord Rand).

if it was classic logan then he just kills him. but current logan? ugh luke all day

Current Logan is still faster, more agile, smarter and better fighter than Cage.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Current Logan is still faster, more agile, smarter and better fighter than Cage. hes not going to use the smarts in his fight though. Its rare that he uses smarts in any fight really

Not really.

And you've been tested; you haven't read many comics, so how you would know anyway.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW


And you've been tested; you haven't read many comics, so how you would know anyway. read many of current logan? no. been catching up on doc ock spidy. Supieror my ass.
anyway i still know luke wins this match

Pffft. One good swipe and Cage's history, while Wolverine - even without his accelerated regenerative factor - proved to be motherf*cking tough.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Pffft. One good swipe and Cage's history, while Wolverine - even without his accelerated regenerative factor - proved to be motherf*cking tough. but will he get that one swipe while cage is ramming him through buildings and beating the crap out of him? nope

He will, as he's much faster.

Adamantium poison Cage and yes, it could damage him. Cage was recently bleeding everywhere from some gun fires from advanced weaponry. If Wolverine has his healing factor for this, he wins a high majority.

Wolverine with HF cannot lose this.

Without, the only way he could lose would be if he just stood there and let Cage wail on him.

Originally posted by abhilegend
He still has enough bendispower to beat Logan. you do realize that rand said that he was only using about 30 percent of his actual skill and logan said that he was using about 80 percent right?Originally posted by iscaremonkeys
but will he get that one swipe while cage is ramming him through buildings and beating the crap out of him? nope apperantly he's not fast enough to stop a hobo with a gun from sneaking up on him.Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Wolverine with HF cannot lose this.

Without, the only way he could lose would be if he just stood there and let Cage wail on him. oh please, logan's currently a washed up, burnt out character who's getting his shit pushed in by everyone and their grandmother. Come at me bro.

You still haven't thanked me for the sig

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
You still haven't thanked me for the sig thanks for the sig, it's really awesome.

Finally. You're welcome http://images.killermovies.com/forums/icons/v2/icon4.gif

You might want to put it at the center via bb-codes, btw.

Like this.

I need a sig and thank you stiltman.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Finally. You're welcome http://images.killermovies.com/forums/icons/v2/icon4.gif

You might want to put it at the center via bb-codes, btw.

Like this. that's how you do that? Thanks

Np.

Originally posted by carver9
I need a sig and thank you stiltman.

Sure, here you are, carver my boy!

http://i59.tinypic.com/nmf3md.jpg

Wear it with pride

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Not really.

And you've been tested; you haven't read many comics, so how you would know anyway. Don't know how many comics he's read but in this case he's spot on.

Originally posted by SamZED
Don't know how many comics he's read but in this case he's spot on.

He's not and you know it.

HFless Wolverine kept getting back to the fight after strikes from stronger guys than Cage.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
He's not and you know it.

HFless Wolverine kept getting back to the fight after strikes from stronger guys than Cage. I guess.. Still "WOLVERINE STAB!" is his go-to tactics in lots of the fights.

Fun thing is, it'll actually work in this case...

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Fun thing is, it'll actually work in this case... heh true.

Classic Logan got his nards shot off by Punisher. Nuff said.

So?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
So? so cage kicks him in the nards until he's knocked out?

More likely to be the other way round, honestly

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/31423/625255-975126023_e9e183184e_o.jpg

Hahaha!!!^

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
So?
So why didnt Wolverine just stab him? Because...not every fight in comics plays out so simplistically.

Not that there's anything wrong with Punisher shooting Logan.. that paticular issue was written by Mr. Garth P. Ennis and his Punisher would've shot Galactus in the balls FTW.

Ha, heck yeah!

Just making a point though. If Wolverine stab, Flash BFR, Superman throw into sun etc were the norm in comics, would we really be reading them?

Originally posted by riv6672
So why didnt Wolverine just stab him? Because...not every fight in comics plays out so simplistically.

Forum fight =/= comic fight.

Besides, it wasn't even a fight - they teamed up against some freakin' midgets (Ennis at his worst) and Frank cheapshotted him when Logan was talking to him and not expecting it at all.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Forum fight =/= comic fight.

Not sure what that formula means, but i'm guessing: "forum fights means characters act OUT of character because no one likes admitting their favorites lose."

I dont like admitting a loss either, and i'm not a scan warrior, but when i make at least an attempt at comparing powers and fighting styles, i'm not taking "lulz stabby hand man wins cuz he's cooler than scary black man guy". As too valid an argument!

Cage is a simple brick that relies on his durability a lot, that's why he's going to lose here.

His durability - the only advantage sans strength he has - means nothing against blades that stabbed through Gladiator and PG Thanos.

NOT going to circle post with you on this.
Cage is more than that, anyone who reads comics with an eye towards more than feats knows that.
SNIKT away!

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Cage is a simple brick that relies on his durability a lot, that's why he's going to lose here.

His durability - the only advantage sans strength he has - means nothing against blades that stabbed through Gladiator and PG Thanos. yeah, cos it's totally not like luke uses any degree of skill or intelligence when he fights people and it's not like logan turns into a brawler instead of using skill or intelligence right? Luke beats logan to death more times than not.

Logan has tons of more showings of him using skill/smarts than Cage, this should go without saying.

And they all pale compared to making Doom pay up.

Where's my money, honey...

Originally posted by riv6672
Not sure what that formula means, but i'm guessing: "forum fights means characters act OUT of character because no one likes admitting their favorites lose."

I dont like admitting a loss either, and i'm not a scan warrior, but when i make at least an attempt at comparing powers and fighting styles, i'm not taking "lulz stabby hand man wins cuz he's cooler than scary black man guy". As too valid an argument!

Fighting style of Wolverine:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/14/144919/2822582-2569976_wolverine_kg_pressure_point.jpg

Vs Cage:
http://cdn.craveonline.com/images/stories/2011/comics/bpmwfandso628.jpg

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Logan has tons of more showings of him using skill/smarts than Cage, this should go without saying. that's a really funny joke. Logan hardly every uses his intelligence while luke uses his in almost every fight. Logan does have more showings of skill. It's just to bad that he only ever uses it in about 2 percent of his on panel fights. Luke punches a hole in logans sternum and lets him bleed out 8/10.

It's not a joke, it's a fact.

Luke using int in almost every battle - now that is a joke. He doesn't. Not even close to it. The biggest Cage supporters wouldn't make such a statement, as it's simply not true.

His sternum is indestructible, btw. Easier time doing that to stomach, no protection there aside from the new, superdurable suit...

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Fighting style of Wolverine:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/14/144919/2822582-2569976_wolverine_kg_pressure_point.jpg

Vs Cage:
http://cdn.craveonline.com/images/stories/2011/comics/bpmwfandso628.jpg

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
luke wasn't even trying to fight in that scan. I also find it funny that when BP uses pressure points, they work but cage is unaffected when others use them on him.

Strontians? As in, Gladiator's race?

Sounds kind PIS to me.

A better example is when Cap's gloating over disabling Logan's claws, and Wolverine points out he landed a critical attack on his legs without him noticing.

Yeah, this is getting us nowhere...

Originally posted by deathslash
luke wasn't even trying to fight in that scan. I also find it funny that when BP uses pressure points, they work but cage is unaffected when others use them on him.

He was affected in the other example I know about (vs. some chick), but to a much lesser degree.

Anyway, nerve strikes work on him, so any top ma tier can take him out that way.

Originally posted by cdtm
Strontians? As in, Gladiator's race?

Sounds kind PIS to me.

A better example is when Cap's gloating over disabling Logan's claws, and Wolverine points out he landed a critical attack on his legs without him noticing.

Yes.

Hardly the first time we find out about Gladiator having weaknesses. Developing them is his race's secret power

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
He was affected in the other example I know about (vs. some chick), but to a much lesser degree.

Anyway, nerve strikes work on him, so any top ma tier can take him out that way.



Yes.

Hardly the first time we find out about Gladiator having weaknesses. Developing them is his race's secret power he was also attacked by roughly 30 Kun Lun warriors who were told to strike at his eyes and pressure points (this was back when he was just a 3 tonner by the way). It took a second to throw all of them off of him but he was completely unharmed. So out of the three instances in which he was attacked using presure points, it only truly worked on him once.

I love to piss Stilt off as much as the next guy but Luke's fighting skills are nowhere near Logan's level. Well classic Logan that is.

Originally posted by SamZED
I love to piss Stilt off as much as the next guy but Luke's fighting skills are nowhere near Logan's level. Well classic Logan that is. yeah, it's pretty funny to piss him off. Since the OP didn't specify, then that means that we have to go with the current versions of both characters. If it were classic logan, he would win all day long but since it isn't, he loses more time than not.

Originally posted by deathslash
yeah, it's pretty funny to piss him off. Since the OP didn't specify, then that means that we have to go with the current versions of both characters. If it were classic logan, he would win all day long but since it isn't, he loses more time than not. I know current Logan lost some of his memories along with some of his fighting skills, not sure how much though. He is still faster and more agile, plus those adamantium claws can cut right through Luke.

I was perfectly calm

Current Logan has still all the advantages he needs for this fight, including the skill one. Beating Batroc - even with trouble - is a good showing. Same with stalemating Kotd Panther... we might not know his limits, but one thing for sure - T'Challa's been re-powered, post-HSH levels apparently.

He's also still capable of taking hits from strong guys; Thor, Wendigo, Venom Ock, amped Ghost Rider.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
I was perfectly calm
Then stay on topic and do your job or am I supposed to defend Wolverine's hairy behind for you?

I've already done plenty.

See, Srank and Battlehammer are... missing, jinzin is hardly ever coming to visit. Claws Club is dead, there's nothing to fight for anymore.

emo

I know. Coincidentally happened around the time Avenging Spider-man #16 came out...

No, Hammer stopped posting/reading pms during May, 2012... after his battlezone with whatever-his-name-was.

As for srank, he survived AvSM #16, dunno what made him disappear.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
I was perfectly calm

Current Logan has still all the advantages he needs for this fight, including the skill one. Beating Batroc - even with trouble - is a good showing. Same with stalemating Kotd Panther... we might not know his limits, but one thing for sure - T'Challa's been re-powered, post-HSH levels apparently.

He's also still capable of taking hits from strong guys; Thor, Wendigo, Venom Ock, amped Ghost Rider. oh please, T'challa wasn't even trying to fight logan that badly and he was still winning and then he stopped the fight before he could destroy logan. Cage punches logan so hard and so many times that even if wolverine did win the fight, he'd keel over and die from the internal bleeding.

You're just trolling at this point

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
You're just trolling at this point To quote Quanchi "Concession accepted". You mad bro?

Logan. Fighting skills. Lol.

If you have nothing to contribute, then don't post at all. You clearly have no knowledge about the character.

Originally posted by Ize19
Okay, can we put this notion that Wolverine is not a top tier fighter to rest now? I mean, honestly, it really does get tiring seeing that posted again and again. Listen, if you haven't seen enough to make you believe that Wolverine is a Top Tier martial artist, then how about I show you he is ?

Okay, so your main worry is that Wolverine's physical abilities give him an edge that the other top tier's don't have, correct? Well, here we have him fighting against Domina, the leader of the Neo, a group of superhumans. She has already dominated Sabretooth, killed Sinister, and handled an X-Men team composed of Thunderbird, Psylocke, Cicilia Reyes, Colossus, Rogue, and Nightcrawler. Then Wolverine comes onto the scene, and does this:

http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/6130/xmench10221.th.jpg

Here he goes up against 5000 Hand ninja, along with Elektra (who's been edited out, but definitely did her fair share,) and decimates them, without getting scratched:

http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/1699/wolverinev2ch02910.th.jpg http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/1070/wolverinev2ch02911.th.jpg http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/7361/wolverinev2ch0291718.th.jpg http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/5272/wolverinev2ch02919.th.jpg

If you think that the lack of a torn up uniform isn't evidence of not getting injured, then check out how this artist drew Wolverine when he was taking while he got:

http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/2465/wolverinev2ch02006.th.jpg http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/1659/wolverinev2ch02007.th.jpg http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/2093/wolverinev2ch02008.th.jpg

Here Wolverine takes on both Shogun and Azrael, one having, according to Wolverine:

"move like the Hand, and speed like the Gorgon"
http://yfrog.com/6wwolverinev2ch05727j

And the other being the thousands of years old Angel of Death. Wolverine deals with both handily:

http://yfrog.com/3dwolverinev2ch06123j
http://yfrog.com/9gwolverinev2ch06125j
http://yfrog.com/1awolverinev2ch06127j

Here Wolverine faces off against, and forces onto the defensive, an Iron Fist more powerful and skilled than Danny Rand (Pre-Upgrade,):

http://img263.imageshack.us/i/ironfistandwolverine041.jpg/

But of course, who you can beat isn't everything (Otherwise I would have posted more scansof Ogun, Shingen, Stick, Shang Chi, Daredevil, and Captain America.) So here are some instances of Wolverine's fighting knowledge.

In this scan, we learn about Wolverine's knowledge of "nerve clusters, crucial pressure points, where a blow can instantly paralyze someone, or kill."

http://yfrog.com/0ywolverinels0117j

It makes sense he'd know these, as he can "incapacitate, mobilize... maim and cripple a hundred different ways":

http://img299.imageshack.us/i/mcpch11408.jpg/

We see him put that knowledge to use here, against a brick in another dimension:

http://yfrog.com/1rloganpotw39j

And here we see him knee Captain America in the thigh, giving him a "Femoral artery pseudo-aneurism" that sends him to the hospital (though not immediately):

http://yfrog.com/eswoch0041213j

And of course, his most impressive to date, crumbling a chi-amping brick who "hits like the Thing, if the Thing was a ninth degree black belt and could kick you in the face ":

http://yfrog.com/69wolverinemdch0210j
http://yfrog.com/08wolverinemdch0212j
(The actual feat)http://yfrog.com/j4wolverinemd041617j

You can also consider his knowledge and ability with joint locks. How about a small sampling for that?

http://yfrog.com/3dwolverinev2ch00306j
http://yfrog.com/j9uxmch39714j
http://yfrog.com/3vuxmch22813j
http://yfrog.com/0cuxmch17313j

Wolverine is dangerous, whether he can use his hands, or not:

http://yfrog.com/emwolverinev2ch03917j
http://yfrog.com/0juxmch15211j
http://yfrog.com/6wuxmch27205j

Wolverine is also capable of attacking in several directions simultaneously:

http://yfrog.com/jkwolverinev1ch1520708j
http://yfrog.com/j4wolverinev2ch0092021j
http://yfrog.com/bgwolverinev2ch02008j

Oh yeah, and he can convince Hand ninja and Hydra soldiers, that he's Captain America - while using a trash can lid for a shield:

http://yfrog.com/j9wolverinev1ch12706j
http://yfrog.com/b9wolverinev1ch12707j
http://yfrog.com/2pwolverinev1ch12708j

Honestly, I don't know what more the guy has to do to prove his martial arts ability to you, but if there is anything, let me know, cause he definitely has more. Otherwise, it would be nice to be able to go on the forums again without people constantly trying to downgrade Wolverine's skills, just because he's a mutant.

Haters gonna hate.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
I was perfectly calm

Current Logan has still all the advantages he needs for this fight, including the skill one. Beating Batroc - even with trouble - is a good showing. .

After all the times he's stalemated Cap, definitely.

Even if Lord Rand managed to beat him with even less trouble.

And Overlord Wade outperformed them both, casually dealing with the Leaper Sigh. Literally farted and almost killed Taskmaster, too.

Daniel and Logan can't compare.

Originally posted by riv6672
Logan. Fighting skills. Lol.
At ease, friend.
I've been contributing, IE, beating my head against a brick wall since this thread started.

If Wolverine has martial skills, which he does, they've deteriorated greatly. His usual style is hack, slash, absorb punishment when he could dodge blows.
Occasionally a writer recalls he has skills then has him do something well above his usual skill set.
Dont tell me a skillful Wolverine is the norm. It isnt.

Honestly it's more that most comic artists are horrible at illustrating fight sequences that involve martial arts or anything but random punching more so than wolverine being unskillful.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
And Overlord Wade outperformed them both, casually dealing with the Leaper Sigh. Literally farted and almost killed Taskmaster, too.

Daniel and Logan can't compare.

Ostrander giving Rand his costume change an right after Wade makes fun of his ballet slippers was pretty hilarious.

@riv

Prior to losing HF, he didn't really need to dodge. He didn't want to, even - as receiving damage actually made him feel better about offing bad guys (as revealed in one of his team-ups with Spider-Man and Fallen Son). Focusing on offense was all he needed, since he could tank almost anything thrown at him.

However, without his power, against an opponent such as Cage... he won't think twice before dodging if necessary. Full capacity rule means he's going to be fighting at the best of his ability. With that, and significant speed and agility advantages, Cage is done for.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
@riv

Prior to losing HF, he didn't really need to dodge. He didn't want to, even - as receiving damage actually made him feel better about offing bad guys (as revealed in one of his team-ups with Spider-Man and Fallen Son). Focusing on offense was all he needed, since he could tank almost anything thrown at him.

However, without his power, against an opponent such as Cage... he won't think twice before dodging if necessary. Full capacity rule means he's going to be fighting at the best of his ability. With that, and significant speed and agility advantages, Cage is done for. So you're saying that Logan loses this fight badly?

I'm pretty sure this thread's about run its course.
Still going with my original opinion. I'm not a Wolverine hater, he's a great character, just not a great fighter.
And yeah, thats just my opinion, but that opinion's based on the comics i've read over the years.
Not asking anyone to change their minds, i know thats not happening.

Originally posted by riv6672
I'm pretty sure this thread's about run its course.
Still going with my original opinion. I'm not a Wolverine hater, he's a great character, just not a great fighter.
And yeah, thats just my opinion, but that opinion's based on the comics i've read over the years.
Not asking anyone to change their minds, i know thats not happening. It's not that logan's not a great martial artist, it's just that he only show his skill about 2 percent of the time and the other 98 percent of the time he just turns into a brawler. With that said, Logan loses by virtue of being the guy that keeps getting butt phucked in his current battles with people.

Thing is, he is a brawler because of his HF. Without it, he becomes a lot more cautious and changes his fighting styl.e

That only makes sense.
But it doesnt put him on a Shang Chi, Iron Fist level.
Just my take on it.

No worries.

You've seen the sparring between Wolvy and IF, right? Plus, whilst he may not be on their level (debateable, but I leave that to others), how skilled must one be in order to take Cage down?

Thanks, i've been really bitchy in the this, Thing/Atlas, and Hammerless Thor/Ghost Rider.
I dont mind folks saying character A beats B, but when they claim it all comes down to just strength, or when martial skills get touted well above what they are, well, like i said, i've been bitchy!

Originally posted by deathslash
So you're saying that Logan loses this fight badly?

He wins without any effort, more like.

Originally posted by riv6672
I'm pretty sure this thread's about run its course.
Still going with my original opinion. I'm not a Wolverine hater, he's a great character, just not a great fighter.
And yeah, thats just my opinion, but that opinion's based on the comics i've read over the years.
Not asking anyone to change their minds, i know thats not happening.

It's fine - you're entitled to your opinion, naturally.

Originally posted by riv6672
That only makes sense.
But it doesnt put him on a Shang Chi, Iron Fist level.
Just my take on it.

Aside from the sparring with Daniel that DS mentioned, adamantium-less Wolverine has beat Shang-Chi, without using the claws for the most of their fight, even.

Originally posted by riv6672
Thanks, i've been really bitchy in the this, Thing/Atlas, and Hammerless Thor/Ghost Rider.
I dont mind folks saying character A beats B, but when they claim it all comes down to just strength, or when martial skills get touted well above what they are, well, like i said, i've been bitchy!

It's not just skill.

Speed is a big factor, too. Wolverine strikes faster than the human eye can follow (as stated/shown on panel numerous times). He will draw first blood... and, because of the devastating damage the claws are capable of, direct hit could end Cage. Logan's one-shotted Thing, Lizard, Wrecker... even the Hulk recently... he can definitely do the same to Luke.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
He wins without any effort, more like.



It's fine - you're entitled to your opinion, naturally.



Aside from the sparring with Daniel that DS mentioned, adamantium-less Wolverine has beat Shang-Chi, without using the claws for the most of their fight, even.



It's not just skill.

Speed is a big factor, too. Wolverine strikes faster than the human eye can follow (as stated/shown on panel numerous times). He will draw first blood... and, because of the devastating damage the claws are capable of, direct hit could end Cage. Logan's one-shotted Thing, Lizard, Wrecker... even the Hulk recently... he can definitely do the same to Luke. If Logan's so fast, why was Batroc so casually owning him? Why was he afraid of a random thug with a gun? while speed is a big factor, you're acting like logan's speed advantage is so big that Cage wouldn't even be able to react to Logan's attacks. Let's put some things in perspective; Cage has tagged and reacted to attacks from Ironfist, Green Goblin, Sabretooth, Spider-man, Venom, Taskmaster, Steel Serpent, Bullseye, Living Laser, Mister X and many more. Does logan have a speed advantage? Yes. Is Logan so fast that Cage won't be able to dodge to the attack, counter attack, or block the attack? No.

All my bitching aside, i'm not saying Wolverine wont win.
I'm saying Cage can, too.
I'm not saying Wolverine has no skill, i'm saying its not as great as people are saying.
I'm not saying Wolverine cant cut Cage, i'm saying it wont be as simple as cutting a regular human.
I'm not arguing the scans, i'm sticking to what i said about writers having Wolverine occasionally pull out skills well above his norm.

I'm willing to admit these things, it just kind of irks me that most people wont even give the possibility of a Cage win any credence.
Good thread though, i've actually enjoyed it or i wouldnt have gotten so into it!

@slash

Because Batroc is pretty fast himself (he's stalemated classic Fantomex, even). Either of them surpass Cage in that area.

Thug held the handgun next to his head. Much like Trinity vs. Agent "Dodge this" scene from the first Matrix movie - what the hell he was supposed to do? Logan got himself in that unfortunate position thanks to unfriendly neighbourhood Spider-Ock distracting him, btw.

Luke's also had not-so-stellar showings, like against standard, symbioteless Scorpion or powerless Panther.

Everyone has bad showings against Punisher.

I like that you mention The Matrix scene. Not for the mechanics of it, but for how it illustrates that someone can beat an opponent people say they arent supposed to....

Originally posted by riv6672
Everyone has bad showings against Punisher.


For Stilt.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_8ie37mgxIXA/S0F6elIgy7I/AAAAAAAAGWk/7YQng-MbjoA/s640/Steamroller+1.jpg
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Riv, I don't think anyone's suggesting that Luke can't win period. But if we go by forum rules and use characters at their best we shouldn't overlook Logan's skills just because he tends to brawl when he has his healing factor. We know he has the skills even if he's often handicapped by his own CIS, it's safe to assume that without his HF he's going to fight smart since he knows how strong Cage is. At the end of the day he still is faster, more skilled and more agile. Of course Luke can tag him, but for every single attack he's gonna land Logan is going to land 3 or 4 IMO, that's why I'd give him the majority.

I can accept that.
Maybe its just the way people are phrasing things.

Also, lol at those scans!

Lol yeah, Ennis at his finest.

Just goes to show, everyone had bad showings!

In that run? Everyone but Frank. I'm really worried about Thunderbolts, Punisher is after them and he is in the right, which means Venom, Elektra and Deadpool are going to get their ass kicked in the most humiliating way possible. I'll be lucky if Deadpool doesn't lose a freaking sword fight seeing how Frank started to wear swords all of a sudden.

Haha!

wolverine

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
No worries.

You've seen the sparring between Wolvy and IF, right? Plus, whilst he may not be on their level (debateable, but I leave that to others), how skilled must one be in order to take Cage down?

If that went the other way, you know the Logan fans would dismiss it as "just" a sparring match.

Kind of like they did with Logan taking some lumps from Shang in that fighting session, actually.

Originally posted by SamZED
In that run? Everyone but Frank. I'm really worried about Thunderbolts, Punisher is after them and he is in the right, which means Venom, Elektra and Deadpool are going to get their ass kicked in the most humiliating way possible. I'll be lucky if Deadpool doesn't lose a freaking sword fight seeing how Frank started to wear swords all of a sudden.

I thought Punisher was blown up in the face?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I thought Punisher was blown up in the face? He was. But the next five issues are called "Punisher vs Thunderbolts" and they already released the cover for the last one with Frank fighting Red Hulk. And im assuming its not because the rest of the Tbolts decided to take a vacation.

You know, when Ennis pulled the same thing with Hitman in the main series, it worked because it was tongue in cheek. The JLA/Hitman portrayals grated by contrast, because of how heavy handed they were.

Which is more or less how he handles heroes opposite Punisher.

That, and Castle takes himself way more seriously then Monaghan, and is nowhere near as likeable.

World War Punisher.

World War Wendigo is happening now. And no, I'm not kidding.

Might have as well been called that. Or "Punisher owns Thunderbolts". You know you dont want your favorite character anywhere near that team.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
For Stilt.




Steamroller never gets old. Frank did pay for that big time, though:

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Classic!

Nt

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW


Steamroller never gets old. Frank did pay for that big time, though:

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Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
World War Wendigo is happening now. And no, I'm not kidding.

It is, but also happened before too.

Yeah, multi-wendigos under Loeb were first.

What? World War Wendigo?



Which book?

Started in Amazing X-Men #8.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Started in Amazing X-Men #8.
What's the premise behind it? Everyone is being turned into Wendigo?

Basically it started as a fight with two co-workers at a meat packers facility and the one accidently kills the other. To cover up the murder, he puts him in the meat grinder and mixes it with all the other meat

If you eat human flesh you will be cursed as the Wendigo as proclaimed by the Gods of the North. So hundreds of people have eaten the contaminated meat and thus turned. Wolverine is literally shitting himself and has never been this afraid apparently.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Basically it started as a fight with two co-workers at a meat packers facility and the one accidently kills the other. To cover up the murder, he puts him in the meat grinder and mixes it with all the other meat

If you eat human flesh you will be cursed as the Wendigo as proclaimed by the Gods of the North. So hundreds of people have eaten the contaminated meat and thus turned. Wolverine is literally shitting himself and has never been this afraid apparently.
That's actually a good idea.

mmm

Originally posted by abhilegend
That's actually a good idea.

mmm

There's a reason I seldom eat salami.

Ever since reading 100 bullets.

Originally posted by abhilegend
That's actually a good idea.

mmm
Agreed. Very nasty.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Fighting style of Wolverine:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/14/144919/2822582-2569976_wolverine_kg_pressure_point.jpg

Vs Cage:
http://cdn.craveonline.com/images/stories/2011/comics/bpmwfandso628.jpg

where on earth did he learn the strontian pressure points?

Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
where on earth did he learn the strontian pressure points?

Prob nowhere on Earth....

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
He was affected in the other example I know about (vs. some chick), but to a much lesser degree.

Anyway, nerve strikes work on him, so any top ma tier can take him out that way.



Yes.

Hardly the first time we find out about Gladiator having weaknesses. Developing them is his race's secret power

Originally posted by SamZED
I know current Logan lost some of his memories along with some of his fighting skills, not sure how much though. He is still faster and more agile, plus those adamantium claws can cut right through Luke.
How? When? They seem so keen on depowering Godverine

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
World War Wendigo is happening now. And no, I'm not kidding.
lets just hope nobody eats meat from that factory in a Canadian forest. Wait, someone has to for the event to occur. Making fun of WWH I see. Now its WWW

Now how on earth did I become a SEnior member. I've been here barely for 1 month

Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
Now how on earth did I become a SEnior member. I've been here barely for 1 month I think it's based off of how many comments you make

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Prob nowhere on Earth....
Yeah, now I remeber him having trained under some Kree martial artist

I remember seeing that on comicvine

Okay...
Wolverine's faster... And if we go by consistency *and* the consistency of best laid feats, Wolverine's WAY faster. He'll land more offensive strikes, counters, and avoid more damage by that virtue alone.
Wolverine's more agile. Wolverine can switch the levels of his attacks from low to airborne and everything in between AND (indicated by several on panel examples) at the same time... His acrobatics, small frame, powerful legs, and speed allow him to keep acrobatic pace with individuals like Spider-man, Beast, and Shatterstar. Anywhere the fight takes place is automatically to Wolverine's advantage.
Wolverine's more tactical. Cage is a fighter that's gotten really good at what he does. Wolverine was a better fighter, killer, and head gamer before Luke was even born. As Wolverine has stated many times on panel and proven... He's a killer. Simple as that. He knows how to dismantle an opponent with more than claws.
Wolverine has better damage soak than Luke for this specific fight. Wolverine lands one. clean... jab. This fight is over and we move on to the next thread. Luke Cage lands several unanswered shots on Logans grill for some unknown reason, and we still got a discussion on our hands.
Wolverine heals, Cage doesn't.
Wolverine has enhanced senses that compound on his natural abilities augmenting his reflexes and perception.
Wolverine is more experienced. By miles.
Wolverine is more skilled. By miles.

Luke Cage is stronger.... Wolverine has a fist fight/grappling match with Venom under water and was overjoyed by having "his kind of fight"... Yeah okay, Luke Cage is stronger.....

So.... how does he win this fight?

Originally posted by jinzin
Okay...
Wolverine's faster... And if we go by consistency *and* the consistency of best laid feats, Wolverine's WAY faster. He'll land more offensive strikes, counters, and avoid more damage by that virtue alone.
Wolverine's more agile. Wolverine can switch the levels of his attacks from low to airborne and everything in between AND (indicated by several on panel examples) at the same time... His acrobatics, small frame, powerful legs, and speed allow him to keep acrobatic pace with individuals like Spider-man, Beast, and Shatterstar. Anywhere the fight takes place is automatically to Wolverine's advantage.
Wolverine's more tactical. Cage is a fighter that's gotten really good at what he does. Wolverine was a better fighter, killer, and head gamer before Luke was even born. As Wolverine has stated many times on panel and proven... He's a killer. Simple as that. He knows how to dismantle an opponent with more than claws.
Wolverine has better damage soak than Luke for this specific fight. Wolverine lands one. clean... jab. This fight is over and we move on to the next thread. Luke Cage lands several unanswered shots on Logans grill for some unknown reason, and we still got a discussion on our hands.
Wolverine heals, Cage doesn't.
Wolverine has enhanced senses that compound on his natural abilities augmenting his reflexes and perception.
Wolverine is more experienced. By miles.
Wolverine is more skilled. By miles.

Luke Cage is stronger.... Wolverine has a fist fight/grappling match with Venom under water and was overjoyed by having "his kind of fight"... Yeah okay, Luke Cage is stronger.....

So.... how does he win this fight? Cage wins by virtue of being a better character that doesn't get the shit beaten out of him every time he fights someone. You mad bro?

^I don't think that's enough to win this one.

Originally posted by krisblaze
^I don't think that's enough to win this one. no offense, but what was the purpose of bringing this thread back to life?

Originally posted by deathslash
no offense, but what was the purpose of bringing this thread back to life?

I was going to make this thread, but decided to bump the old one instead

Originally posted by krisblaze
I was going to make this thread, but decided to bump the old one instead oh, ok then

Originally posted by deathslash
oh, ok then

So what's your opinion on this matchup?

Luke Cage gets adamantium poison if he is slashed by it. Don't see how Luke is winning even one of these.

Originally posted by carver9
Luke Cage gets adamantium poison if he is slashed by it. Don't see how Luke is winning even one of these. cage wins because logan's a chump and has been beaten by worse people than him. Also, how is cage going to get adamantium poisoning?

Originally posted by deathslash
cage wins because logan's a chump and has been beaten by worse people than him. Also, how is cage going to get adamantium poisoning?

Don't think Wolverine is what you are making him out to be. If Cage is sliced by Adamantium, that is the results. Adamantium is like Kryptonite to him.

^no it's not.

He'll die from the wound not from "adamantium poisoning", which is lethal to everybody...not cage specifically.

Hence why Bullseye only has a bit in him.

Originally posted by krisblaze
^no it's not.

He'll die from the wound not from "adamantium poisoning", which is lethal to everybody...not cage specifically.

Hence why Bullseye only has a bit in him. truthfully, I was baiting carver into saying what he did so that I could bring up all of the normal humans and enhanced characters that have survived logan's adamantium.