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Worldbreaking seems pretty standard so it is time to up the stakes.

Which characters can break a universe?

Anti Monitor?

Do you mean destroying the entire universe or just it's contents (like Monarch)?

Parallax.

Not the Son of El.

Celestials.

Solar

Legion.

Originally posted by MF DELPH
Do you mean destroying the entire universe or just it's contents (like Monarch)?
Monarch actually destroyed the whole universe. Monitors rebuilt it only for Karate Kid to spread a virus that killed the whole population of that universe. That's how Earth-51 had buildings and whatnot when Superman visited it in Final Crisis.

Franklin Richards

Hulk!!!1! he thunder claped naitcroler dimension!!111

Originally posted by Reflassshh
Hulk!!!1! he thunder claped naitcroler dimension!!111

http://www.mynetimages.com/viewimage/51605c18a3
http://www.mynetimages.com/viewimage/ed68327861

http://www.mynetimages.com/viewimage/dfd434506d

Their battle destroyed that entire universe.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Monarch actually destroyed the whole universe. Monitors rebuilt it only for Karate Kid to spread a virus that killed the whole population of that universe. That's how Earth-51 had buildings and whatnot when Superman visited it in Final Crisis.

I distinctly remember that universe's Monitor being present within that universe right after Monarch's containment breach alongside a plant. It wasn't completely destroyed.

Originally posted by carver9
http://www.mynetimages.com/viewimage/51605c18a3
http://www.mynetimages.com/viewimage/ed68327861

http://www.mynetimages.com/viewimage/dfd434506d

Their battle destroyed that entire universe.

They didn't destroy the universe in the sense that we are all thinking of.

Nightcrawler's dimension literally consisted of a couple of islands/landmasses (look through Hulk #126 and you'll realize this). Nightcrawler sent a sonic force at Hulk, Hulk deflected it with a thunderclap which destroyed the islands in the dimension, and that's all.

It sure does sound impressive, when the issue says "a cosmic being ripped asunder". Or that retelling from Defenders v1 #1. But when you consider the context, not so much.

Here's Nightcrawler's Marvel Legacy handbook confirming that all they did, was destroy the dimension's land masses:

http://i.imgur.com/fmfGmWY.jpg?1

Galactus
Celestials
Anti Monitor
Adult Franklin Richards

Originally posted by MF DELPH
Do you mean destroying the entire universe or just it's contents (like Monarch)?

You can use both in this thread.

Monitors
Dominus
Monarch

Originally posted by Epicurus
Not the Son of El.

He is merciful that's why.

Beyonder ...the real one

SENTRY

Originally posted by Tony Stark
SENTRY

Originally posted by Tony Stark
SENTRY

LIES!

Originally posted by Tony Stark
SENTRY
lawlz.

Pym and Richards

Originally posted by Tony Stark
SENTRY

Originally posted by MF DELPH
I distinctly remember that universe's Monitor being present within that universe right after Monarch's containment breach alongside a plant. It wasn't completely destroyed.
Ah, yes. The monitor's force-field spared that plant.

Originally posted by Magog
Beyonder ...the real one

Even not pre-retcon versions of the Beyonder can (and have) easily destroy a universe.

Captain Atom.

Insane Genus Vell
Infnity Man (well when Mordru had half his power B5 stated he could

Originally posted by beatboks
Insane Genus Vell
Infnity Man (well when Mordru had half his power B5 stated he could
You mean Infinite man?

Pretty sure you mean Infinite Man, not Infinity Man. Remember that those are different characters.

Infinity Man is nowhere near being a universe buster, he's a trans-level character, even though he technically should be far above since i remember New Gods v1 #19 (pre-crisis issue which remained canon post-crisis) confirming that he's the very embodiment of the source and the anti life equation, who are confirmed universal powers (the source being multiversal).

Edit: Oh well, Abhi beat me to it.

Lords of Orders and Chaos have destroyed a universe, haven't they?

And ZH Parallax and Extant.

And Time Trapper.

@Abhi: They created universes as shown in Dr Fate v2 #6. Same series, in Dr Fate v2 #10, lords of chaos take credit for the destruction of the universe:

http://i.imgur.com/7pPlihW.jpg

This is one example where Lords of Chaos/Lords of Order are given credit for sustaining (or destroying the universe).

Originally posted by operator616
@Abhi: They created universes as shown in Dr Fate v2 #6. Same series, in Dr Fate v2 #10, lords of chaos take credit for the destruction of the universe:

http://i.imgur.com/7pPlihW.jpg

This is one example where Lords of Chaos/Lords of Order are given credit for sustaining (or destroying the universe).
Thanks. Anybody else from DC who has destroyed a universe post-crisis?

Apart from the ones you mentioned, yes, of course there are. In fact, if you think a bit harder you'll come up with other examples yourself.

Also, im confused about something: Are we mentioning people who have actually destroyed a universe or also including the ones who can (in which case, the list would be really long)?

Originally posted by operator616
Apart from the ones you mentioned, yes, of course there are. In fact, if you think a bit harder you'll come up with other examples yourself.

Also, im confused about something: Are we mentioning people who have actually destroyed a universe or also including the ones who can (in which case, the list would be really long)?
I'm really drawing a blank on the people who have destroyed a universe in DC post-crisis. Help me out bro.

No, just the people who have destroyed a universe.

So i suppose you don't remember the time when Fate, Highfather, Darkseid, Etrigan and Orion destroyed a universe from CO? Or Mxy destroying all reality, or the Godwave destroying all reality, or Imperiex.

Tim Hunter's darker self was going on destroying realities, Lucifer destroyed a dimension, Void destroyed and recreated all realities in WS, Jenny Quantum absorbed a universe, Krona in Trinity (and JLA/Avengers).

Give me time to think of more, specially the not well-known ones because i know there are more.

Originally posted by operator616
So i suppose you don't remember the time when Fate, Highfather, Darkseid, Etrigan and Orion destroyed a universe from CO? Or Mxy destroying all reality, or the Godwave destroying all reality, or Imperiex.

Tim Hunter's darker self was going on destroying realities, Lucifer destroyed a dimension, Void destroyed and recreated all realities in WS, Jenny Quantum absorbed a universe, Krona in Trinity (and JLA/Avengers).

Give me time to think of more, specially the not well-known ones because i know there are more.
Well, Cinque of Power was the first one that jumped into mind but that was several characters. Mxy and Tim Hunter are well known for destroying universes. I knew about Godwave and Imperiex. What I find funny is that sundipped Superman overpowering B13+imperiex is still considered to be not that great of a feat.

Void in Armageddon is a good choice too.

Krona destroyed a universe in Trinity? I thought he only destroyed it in JLA/Avengers?

Please do.

He destroyed a universe in Trinity too. Specifically his past self who was an embodiment of an entire universe (the one which grew inside the cosmic egg, the one from the JLA/Avengers crossover and which was later featured in an arc of Morrison's JLA):

http://i.imgur.com/Utc8KSu.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/mwsUZLM.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/SNL5Gje.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/bKeAH4p.jpg

Krona basically casually oneshotted a universe.

Ill reference the others in a while later.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
LIES!


Maybe you should ask Owen Reece about that?

Originally posted by Tony Stark
Maybe you should ask Owen Reece about that?

Transitive logic is a dangerous game!

Originally posted by Tony Stark
SENTRY
Is not a UNIVERSEBREAKER.

Originally posted by Mr.SunKing
Franklin Richards
There's precedence, however no proof. It's like Superman's planet-busting capability; the feats indicate it and on paper he should be capable of doing it bu he's never actually been written as destroying a planet post-reboot.

Originally posted by Epicurus
There's precedence, however no proof. It's like Superman's planet-busting capability; the feats indicate it and on paper he should be capable of doing it bu he's never actually been written as destroying a planet post-reboot.
If I can recall, as psi-lord he generated an anti-matter Big bang.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Please do.

JLA #14: Genesis Box destroys a universe and then recreates it.

Arion the Immortal #6: There was an unnamed cosmic entity which was featured in this one story and it was the embodiment of the entire Darkworld dimension (which was infinitely big). Arion destroyed it as i recall.

Superman/Batman #14-18: Human Bomb's death (at the hands of superman) destroys an entire reality and creates a hole in the fabric of existence which starts destroying other realities. We saw universe destroyed on panel.

Final Crisis: FC Darkseid destroys the multiverse, leaving nothing. Which is why it required the miracle machine to re-create existence.
Darkseid basically did the same thing in Legion #29, where we see universes destroyed at a subatomic level after he plucked the past version of himself from the timestream. The universe destruction was attributed to Darkseid being that powerful iirc.

Superman Where is Thy Sting: Unnamed Death entity destroys all creation on panel.

JLA Classified #32-35: Materioptikon creates countless universes. Then Destiny and the Profitt were destroying them. We see them destroy some universes on panel with the dreamstone.
Basically a similar thing happened in Animal Man #23-24, where the infinite universes of the pre-crisis multiverse were brought into existence by Psycho Pirate with the Medusa Mask, since he remembered the pre-crisis multiverse, and the mask made his memoeries manifest. The universes were erased off-panel though.

Along with Others i don't recall right now.

^^^

Want to show the pic of Medusa's Mask?

^ this page sums it up nicely:
http://i.imgur.com/xl6bZD5.jpg

Thanks.

Originally posted by Mr.SunKing
If I can recall, as psi-lord he generated an anti-matter Big bang.
IIRC, Psi-Lord never destroyed a universe.

Originally posted by operator616
Superman/Batman #14-18: Human Bomb's death (at the hands of superman) destroys an entire reality and creates a hole in the fabric of existence which starts destroying other realities. We saw universe destroyed on panel. Ah yes, that's a damn good feat for both Human Bomb and Superman.

http://i.imgur.com/qoHdTxy.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Hk95Za1.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/I5YUPU9.jpg

Superman surviving such an explosion which destroys the universe, rips a hole in timestream and collapse realities on themselves and which was eventually going to destroy the entire creation? ****ing insane.

Originally posted by Epicurus
IIRC, Psi-Lord never destroyed a universe.
Apparently in his fight with Vanguaard he did. The universal anti-matter big bang he generated caused the unverse to implode.

Originally posted by Mr.SunKing
Apparently in his fight with Vanguaard he did. The universal anti-matter big bang he generated caused the unverse to implode.
Scans? Been a while since I read that stupid storyline where they decided to make him a Cable rip-off.

Originally posted by Mr.SunKing
Apparently in his fight with Vanguaard he did. The universal anti-matter big bang he generated caused the unverse to implode.
That wasn't a universe destroying attack IIRC.

Originally posted by Epicurus
Scans? Been a while since I read that stupid storyline where they decided to make him a Cable rip-off.

http://i.imgur.com/Amq1SBH.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Qisztv5.jpg

But then, Huntara comments on the explosion.

http://i.imgur.com/Va4Emd5.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/JtKhD4h.jpg

"That light within the southern most sky.....An anti-matter implosion."

Also the Elsewhen dimension wasn't destroyed.

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/vangaard.htm

Originally posted by abhilegend
Ah yes, that's a damn good feat for both Human Bomb and Superman.

http://i.imgur.com/qoHdTxy.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Hk95Za1.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/I5YUPU9.jpg

Superman surviving such an explosion which destroys the universe, rips a hole in timestream and collapse realities on themselves and which was eventually going to destroy the entire creation? ****ing insane. see, i never got the impression that the universe was destroyed there. /shrug

Originally posted by Galan007
see, i never got the impression that the universe was destroyed there. /shrug
At first sight, I didn't either. But as explained in the next issue, whenever one of them died the timeline/universe got destroyed.

http://imgur.com/XHoUM1b
http://imgur.com/0jGZfpo

Since Batman had already died, Human Bomb's explosion coupled with the time bubble destroyed that timeline/universe.

Reed busted the multiverse with the UN.
Sise Neg unmade a universe then recreated it.
Molecule Man was said to let out a blast that would slag universes.
The Infinity Being was all that was and then he busted himself (if that makes sense) and created all reality.
The Nemesis waves would've eventually busted the Ultraverse.
The Chaos wave would've probably busted the multiverse and beyond.

Originally posted by beatboks
Insane Genus Vell

He needed a gun plus Entropy to pull that off.

living tribunal
TOAA
the presence
lucifer morningstar
mad jim jasper

Originally posted by abhilegend
At first sight, I didn't either. But as explained in the next issue, whenever one of them died the timeline/universe got destroyed.

http://imgur.com/XHoUM1b
http://imgur.com/0jGZfpo

Since Batman had already died, Human Bomb's explosion coupled with the time bubble destroyed that timeline/universe. yeah, that's what I mean: it wasn't 'just' the human bomb's death that destroyed the universe--it was hb's death coupled with the death of either superman or batman.

it actually has more to do with mxy's comment in S/B #25, than anything else...
"Superman and Batman are the linchpin to everything. No matter what time or universe, some version of you two exists! And when that balance is upset or uprooted--and you can call it a cataclysm or an apocalypse or a crisis--it upsets my life in the 5th dimension... And that ticks me off!":
http://i.imgur.com/lj1jq7v.jpg

Originally posted by abhilegend
http://i.imgur.com/Amq1SBH.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Qisztv5.jpg

But then, Huntara comments on the explosion.

http://i.imgur.com/Va4Emd5.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/JtKhD4h.jpg

"That light within the southern most sky.....An anti-matter implosion."

Also the Elsewhen dimension wasn't destroyed.

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/vangaard.htm
Yeah, I have never considered that version of Franklin to be anything more than a Cable-ripoff high herald.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman surviving such an explosion which destroys the universe, rips a hole in timestream and collapse realities on themselves and which was eventually going to destroy the entire creation? ****ing insane.
And the Superman-centric agenda once again hijacks yet another thread.

Originally posted by Galan007
yeah, that's what I mean: it wasn't 'just' the human bomb's death that destroyed the universe--it was hb's death coupled with the death of either superman or batman.

it actually has more to do with mxy's comment in S/B #25, than anything else...
"Superman and Batman are the linchpin to everything. No matter what time or universe, some version of you two exists! And when that balance is upset or uprooted--and you can call it a cataclysm or an apocalypse or a crisis--it upsets my life in the 5th dimension... And that ticks me off!":
http://i.imgur.com/lj1jq7v.jpg

Someone beat me to it. Good post Galan.

Originally posted by abhilegend
At first sight, I didn't either. But as explained in the next issue, whenever one of them died the timeline/universe got destroyed.

http://imgur.com/XHoUM1b
http://imgur.com/0jGZfpo

Since Batman had already died, Human Bomb's explosion coupled with the time bubble destroyed that timeline/universe.

There's also this confirmation that various realities were getting destroyed:

http://i.imgur.com/PrBD8OZ.jpg?1


There's no doubt that those were whole realities which were getting destroyed but I most definitely disagree on the Superman durability part; although im not going to debate it, of course.

Originally posted by Epicurus
Yeah, I have never considered that version of Franklin to be anything more than a Cable-ripoff high herald.


Psi Lord is much greater than a high herald. It's just that he has self imposed inhibitions on his abilities. His powers are held in check by his armor which drains the excess of power lest it overwhelms him and goes beyond his control. In Fantastic Force #5, when Dreadface possesses Franklin, he lets go of his inhibitions, by severing the link between him and his armor:

http://i.imgur.com/Y4oePqR.jpg

It's later confirmed, in issue #9, that this letting off his inhibitions threatened to destroy space/time:

http://i.imgur.com/5sRfGhD.jpg?1

Or in the Vangaard instance the same thing happened; Psi Lord let go of his inhibitions and unleashed a big bang which ripped apart space/time. This was the reason why Diablo referred to Psi-Lord's powers as being "universe-shattering" in Fantastic Force #17:

http://i.imgur.com/ZoEra3h.jpg

(same thing was said the following issue)

There's also no reason why would Psi-Lord be weaker than standard Franklin, because he's the exact same character, who was trained to handle his powers in a more controllable way, and he did that by limiting himself. In fact, Diablo sought to use Psi-Lord to vanquish Mephisto because Franklin's done so in the past. That should tell you that they possess the same power level. Not to mention that a letter's page had him called the most powerful mutant ever (it's from FF 380 something).

He's at least a universal power.

Originally posted by Galan007
yeah, that's what I mean: it wasn't 'just' the human bomb's death that destroyed the universe--it was hb's death coupled with the death of either superman or batman.

it actually has more to do with mxy's comment in S/B #25, than anything else...
"Superman and Batman are the linchpin to everything. No matter what time or universe, some version of you two exists! And when that balance is upset or uprooted--and you can call it a cataclysm or an apocalypse or a crisis--it upsets my life in the 5th dimension... And that ticks me off!":
http://i.imgur.com/lj1jq7v.jpg
Batman was already dead in that timeline though.

So yeah, Superman tanked that shit like a baws.

w00t

Originally posted by Epicurus
Yeah, I have never considered that version of Franklin to be anything more than a Cable-ripoff high herald.

And the Superman-centric agenda once again hijacks yet another thread.
Superman is just that good.

uhuh

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Worldbreaking seems pretty standard so it is time to up the stakes.

Which characters can break a universe?

the wielder of the six guns can unmake and remake all of creation into their desired image. over the ages people have used the six to do this several times already....

http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/SixthGun0242012kingpinpg003.jpg.html

it has never been shown to be a multiverse or anything like that but it is a layered world of mortals and spirits and there is a heaven and hell in the sixth gun world so remaking all of creation there is a very uber feat.

the sixth gun=fekkin awesome...

Originally posted by operator616
They didn't destroy the universe in the sense that we are all thinking of.

Nightcrawler's dimension literally consisted of a couple of islands/landmasses (look through Hulk #126 and you'll realize this). Nightcrawler sent a sonic force at Hulk, Hulk deflected it with a thunderclap which destroyed the islands in the dimension, and that's all.

It sure does sound impressive, when the issue says "a cosmic being ripped asunder". Or that retelling from Defenders v1 #1. But when you consider the context, not so much.

Here's Nightcrawler's Marvel Legacy handbook confirming that all they did, was destroy the dimension's land masses:

http://i.imgur.com/fmfGmWY.jpg?1

So it's basically a stylish nuke level feat and only technically a universe buster?

Originally posted by Epicurus
There's precedence, however no proof. It's like Superman's planet-busting capability; the feats indicate it and on paper he should be capable of doing it bu he's never actually been written as destroying a planet post-reboot.

Actually, Superman has a few examples where he does, but that's getting off-topic.

Originally posted by leonidas
the wielder of the six guns can unmake and remake all of creation into their desired image. over the ages people have used the six to do this several times already....

http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/SixthGun0242012kingpinpg003.jpg.html

it has never been shown to be a multiverse or anything like that but it is a layered world of mortals and spirits and there is a heaven and hell in the sixth gun world so remaking all of creation there is a very uber feat.

the sixth gun=fekkin awesome...

additionally--the wielder of the six usurps the supreme being's power to create. it has been hinted at that the supreme being himself may intercede to attempt to stop the guns from fulfilling their destiny...

http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/6th.jpg.html

the six is fo realz!

Deadpool:
http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/19457268_VD_1_Oroboros_Wezz_CPS_DCP_034.jpg

Cant Odin destroy a Universe?

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/3/35308/1827483-journeyintomystery513p18.jpg

Superboy Prime

Originally posted by carver9
Someone beat me to it. You'll get em next time, carver

Originally posted by Galan007
Deadpool:

Hey there good friend. That's "Venompool" ... and that's a hilarious What If-type story.
He also erased beforehand the Galactus and Beyonder associated with that reality.
(big G impregnated someone ... oh yea, it goes there)
Originally posted by tkitna

Cant Odin destroy a Universe?

... Imo, not according to that scan good friend.

It seems they affected little to no stars, and perhaps rocks for planets etc concerning galaxies.
But much better that that, they re-ignited dying stars, not bad, actually really good, but not nearly universal.
(there's over 100 billion active stars in one galaxy alone)

The "Planes of Existence" are 3 primary stages of reality one can exist in:

The Physical Plane (in-universe)
The Subconscious Plane (mind)
The Astral Plane (spiritual)

Emperor Joker

Originally posted by Mr Master
Hey there good friend. That's "Venompool" ... and that's a hilarious What If-type story.
He also erased beforehand the Galactus and Beyonder associated with that reality.
(big G impregnated someone ... oh yea, it goes there) Given that I have the comic, I am well aware of these facts.

Thanos.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos.

With artifacts? Yes, without? I don't know. What do you think and why?

Originally posted by Diesldude
With artifacts? Yes, without? I don't know. What do you think and why? He has destroyed a universe. Just bask in Thanos& glory and be envious of the most successful character in comics.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He has destroyed a universe. Just bask in Thanos& glory and be envious of the most successful character in comics.

Under his own power or did he had help? Scans?

Originally posted by Galan007

Given that I have the comic, I am well aware of these facts.
Of course good friend, but we don't want to confuse the innocents.

It's just that "Deadpool" does not have the 'Recton Expungifier' (universal eraser gun) and never has.
That's a "Venompool" weapon that only existed in that insane alternate reality.

I know you already knew that so this info is for the onlookers.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Under his own power or did he had help? Scans? Thanos ended a reality. Glory be thy name.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Of course good friend, but we don't want to confuse the innocents.

It's just that "Deadpool" does not have the 'Recton Expungifier' (universal eraser gun) and never has.
That's a "Venompool" weapon that only existed in that insane alternate reality.

I know you already knew that so this info is for the onlookers.

Hey Mr. M, you know most Marvel cosmic feats. Did Thanos ever destroy an Universe under his own power, without help, like the IG, THOTU or mistress Death?

Genis-Vell

Thanos w/HOTAA
LT
Beyonder
Adult Richards
Anti Monitor.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos ended a reality. Glory be thy name.

Did Thanos end it with his overwhelming fear and self-loathing?

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Did Thanos end it with his overwhelming fear and self-loathing?

After he stopped crying over being cockblocked by a short, hairy Canadian whose claws make foreplay a nightmare.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Hey Mr. M, you know most Marvel cosmic feats. Did Thanos ever destroy an Universe under his own power, without help, like the IG, THOTU or mistress Death?

no.

Originally posted by Epicurus
IIRC, Psi-Lord never destroyed a universe.

Originally posted by Galan007
see, i never got the impression that the universe was destroyed there. /shrug

It wasnt. It was a pun if anything. He created a loud explosive attack and referred to it as the Big Bang.

Originally posted by leonidas
additionally--the wielder of the six usurps the supreme being's power to create. it has been hinted at that the supreme being himself may intercede to attempt to stop the guns from fulfilling their destiny...

the six is fo realz!

So far its powers seem planetary in scope, not universal.

Originally posted by leonidas
no.

Quan lied again?

Originally posted by krisblaze
So far its powers seem planetary in scope, not universal.

nah, there is specific mention in the scan i showed that it is not for the world, but for CREATION itself. the distinction is very telling.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Quan lied again?

i would assume so. he's been on ignore for so long i forget he still posts here. why everyone doesn't have him on ignore is something i'll never understand. ignore makes kmc a better place. lol

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Quan lied again?

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/GIFS/th_wink-3_zpscae2e284.gif

Originally posted by leonidas
i would assume so. he's been on ignore for so long i forget he still posts here. why everyone doesn't have him on ignore is something i'll never understand. ignore makes kmc a better place. lol Come out and face me. I was very accurate.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/GIFS/th_wink-3_zpscae2e284.gif Your obsession with my good looks is very telling.

Originally posted by leonidas
nah, there is specific mention in the scan i showed that it is not for the world, but for CREATION itself. the distinction is very telling.

Yeah but the size of creation can vary greatly.

The Sixth gun, to me, seems no more powerful than trigger on the Ultimate Nullifier.

That said I guess 'creation' counts as a universe it just doesn't seem like a big universe, is all

Originally posted by quanchi112
Come out and face me. I was very accurate.

Your obsession with my good looks is very telling.

This is your trollsfromation

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/GIFS/quan-troll-1_zpsa323cdcd.gif

Originally posted by krisblaze
Yeah but the size of creation can vary greatly.

The Sixth gun, to me, seems no more powerful than trigger on the Ultimate Nullifier.

That said I guess 'creation' counts as a universe it just doesn't seem like a big universe, is all

sure, i could buy that. we do know that it has a spirit world though, as well as alternate/potential universes so i think it is at least a reasonably fleshed out 'creation' though its ultimate size is in question. the six are apparently powerful enough to possibly warrant the supreme being/creator coming down to confront them or the wielder directly, but again, is the six gun universe's supreme creator=toaa? who knows. still a sweet series though.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
This is your trollsfromation

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/GIFS/quan-troll-1_zpsa323cdcd.gif Obsess much ?

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/GIFS/th_wink-3_zpscae2e284.gif Originally posted by Rao Kal El
This is your trollsfromation

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/GIFS/quan-troll-1_zpsa323cdcd.gif

Simply awesome

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Simply awesome I am sexy as ****.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Obsess much ?

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/quancry2_zps2a056a62.gif

Originally posted by leonidas
sure, i could buy that. we do know that it has a spirit world though, as well as alternate/potential universes so i think it is at least a reasonably fleshed out 'creation' though its ultimate size is in question. the six are apparently powerful enough to possibly warrant the supreme being/creator coming down to confront them or the wielder directly, but again, is the six gun universe's supreme creator=toaa? who knows. still a sweet series though.

I like it, though it moves a bit fast for my taste.

From what I've understood the Six are the most powerful force in that creation? With 'god' steadily losing power

Originally posted by krisblaze
I like it, though it moves a bit fast for my taste.

From what I've understood the Six are the most powerful force in that creation? With 'god' steadily losing power

not sure if they are the 'the most powerful force' in creation, but they certainly are the most powerful we've seen. still not sure the NATURE of the change though. we know it rewrites creation to the will of the wielder, but the weapons also have a will of their own that corrupts each new creation a little more. i think the series is brilliant. i likeit at least as much as anything i'm reading in dc or marvel. in fact, when the new stuff comes out, it's the book i read first.... i agree it moved pretty quickly, but the characters are awesome imo. i love drake. lol

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Hey Mr. M, you know most Marvel cosmic feats. Did Thanos ever destroy an Universe under his own power, without help, like the IG, THOTU or mistress Death?
He hasn't so far as we know. Though under Starlin's recent wankfest, he's supposed to eventually ascend to a higher level of power in the future, which would put him on the same tier as Galactus and the Celestials. Maybe even above it.

That would definitely qualify him as a universebreaker at least.

Originally posted by Epicurus
He hasn't so far as we know. Though under Starlin's recent wankfest, he's supposed to eventually ascend to a higher level of power in the future, which would put him on the same tier as Galactus and the Celestials. Maybe even above it.

That would definitely qualify him as a universebreaker at least.

Thanks . Hmm, it would take away from Thanos if the would be just pushed to this level. He is the underdog who strives to prove the big guys that he can compete with them trough determination and cleverness not raw power.

Originally posted by leonidas
not sure if they are the 'the most powerful force' in creation, but they certainly are the most powerful we've seen. still not sure the NATURE of the change though. we know it rewrites creation to the will of the wielder, but the weapons also have a will of their own that corrupts each new creation a little more. i think the series is brilliant. i likeit at least as much as anything i'm reading in dc or marvel. in fact, when the new stuff comes out, it's the book i read first.... i agree it moved pretty quickly, but the characters are awesome imo. i love drake. lol

There are so many characters to like also

They keep saying that 'god' is getting weaker, but maybe that was just taunting the Abraham guys.

immortus with the forever crystal wiped out entire timelines, which i would consider analogous to destroying a universe.....and obviously the anti-monitor, classic version...

thanos destroyed (absorbed) the entire multiverse in "marvel universe: the end", including the living tribunal, while he had the power of the heart of the universe

adam warlock, who was in a different reality at the time, convinced him to restore it

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Originally posted by operator616
So i suppose you don't remember the time when Fate, Highfather, Darkseid, Etrigan and Orion destroyed a universe from CO? Or Mxy destroying all reality, or the Godwave destroying all reality, or Imperiex.

Tim Hunter's darker self was going on destroying realities, Lucifer destroyed a dimension, Void destroyed and recreated all realities in WS, Jenny Quantum absorbed a universe, Krona in Trinity (and JLA/Avengers).

Give me time to think of more, specially the not well-known ones because i know there are more.

Highfather, fate, orion, darkseid and etrigan busted a universe? i thought these guys were pretty below in the hierarchy

When talking about mxy, are you referring to worlds funnest? thats the only time mxy busted the multiverse.

Godwave destroyed all reality?

I dont know about imperiex man, comicivne basically "debunked" imperiex, they showed that imperiex nor the probes have actually busted anything under their own power, they needed machines to destroy planets- galaxies, and those energies would amp imperiex prime, imperiex prime would then use those collected energies to restart the universe.

What issue did lucifer bust a dimension? Void? do you have some scans?

I heard jenny had a twin sister, both were equal in power, i also heard both were re-incarnations of some other character.

Originally posted by VastoLord1234
Highfather, fate, orion, darkseid and etrigan busted a universe? i thought these guys were pretty below in the hierarchy

When talking about mxy, are you referring to worlds funnest? thats the only time mxy busted the multiverse.

Godwave destroyed all reality?

I dont know about imperiex man, comicivne basically "debunked" imperiex, they showed that imperiex nor the probes have actually busted anything under their own power, they needed machines to destroy planets- galaxies, and those energies would amp imperiex prime, imperiex prime would then use those collected energies to restart the universe.

What issue did lucifer bust a dimension? Void? do you have some scans?

I heard jenny had a twin sister, both were equal in power, i also heard both were re-incarnations of some other character.
@ Comicvine debunking anything.

Originally posted by VastoLord1234
Highfather, fate, orion, darkseid and etrigan busted a universe? i thought these guys were pretty below in the hierarchy

When talking about mxy, are you referring to worlds funnest? thats the only time mxy busted the multiverse.

Godwave destroyed all reality?

I dont know about imperiex man, comicivne basically "debunked" imperiex, they showed that imperiex nor the probes have actually busted anything under their own power, they needed machines to destroy planets- galaxies, and those energies would amp imperiex prime, imperiex prime would then use those collected energies to restart the universe.

What issue did lucifer bust a dimension? Void? do you have some scans?

I heard jenny had a twin sister, both were equal in power, i also heard both were re-incarnations of some other character.


They haven't 'debunked' nothing! Lol. Main reason to go there is to find issues that's about it! Everything that Imperiex-Prime made was a small fraction of his power. The machines, the Probes and even his huge ship! Thats like saying Dreams ruby isn't a piece of him...

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Worldbreaking seems pretty standard so it is time to up the stakes.

Which characters can break a universe? From world to universe? What about starbreaker? Galaxybreaker? Galactic cluster/supercluster breaker? Needless to say, one's blows (or the energy radiating from them) must travel at insane FTL speeds to reach and destroy the whole target, otherwise it could take years/centuries/millennia to wreck cosmic-scale havoc.

Just sayin'.

Originally posted by abhilegend
@ Comicvine debunking anything.

The guy made some solid arguments.

http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles-7/imperiex-prime-vs-classic-odin-585799/

Monarch, Superboy Prime, Imperiex, IG.

Originally posted by abhilegend
@ Comicvine debunking anything.

Originally posted by kevdude
They haven't 'debunked' nothing! Lol. Main reason to go there is to find issues that's about it! Everything that Imperiex-Prime made was a small fraction of his power. The machines, the Probes and even his huge ship! Thats like saying Dreams ruby isn't a piece of him...

Im not saying i agree with what that comicvine user "debunked", hence i put it in quotation marks. It was uberhikari from comicvine:

http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles-7/imperiex-vs-galactus-3881/
http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles-7/imperiex-prime-vs-classic-odin-585799/

Most people such as myself have never read the complete Our Worlds at War storyarc, only some issues; hence someone pulling of a detailed post with numerous issue numbers seems convincing.

Anyway Uberhikari is with this cult, they're cult is strong on youtube and facebook(OCW), and only they're elite members are active in comicvine. They basically go around attempting to debunk anything comic related, any major comic feats, they try to debunk them. They are notorious for claims such as "Marvel and DC dont possess anything more than ONE universe" "Spectre is a weak planet buster" "Supermans only a city buster" "Nobody in marvel, DC or comics period has ever achieved FTL travel without the use of hyperspace" "Odin has never busted anything more than a planet" "Silver Surfer has never been FTL or busted anything more than a moon, and he has terrible reaction speed"

Many more. abhilegend, they also hate superman to bits, and are currently active in deathbattles superman vs goku.....

Anyway i know better than to doubt operator, i was just asking for some confirmation.

God spawn...

Pre-Retcon Beyonder
Pre-Retcon Molecule Man
The Living Tribunal
Lucifer/Michael

Originally posted by Spawningpool
God spawn...
No....

Originally posted by VastoLord1234
Im not saying i agree with what that comicvine user "debunked", hence i put it in quotation marks. It was uberhikari from comicvine:

http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles-7/imperiex-vs-galactus-3881/
http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles-7/imperiex-prime-vs-classic-odin-585799/

Most people such as myself have never read the complete Our Worlds at War storyarc, only some issues; hence someone pulling of a detailed post with numerous issue numbers seems convincing.

Anyway Uberhikari is with this cult, they're cult is strong on youtube and facebook(OCW), and only they're elite members are active in comicvine. They basically go around attempting to debunk anything comic related, any major comic feats, they try to debunk them. They are notorious for claims such as "Marvel and DC dont possess anything more than ONE universe" "Spectre is a weak planet buster" "Supermans only a city buster" "Nobody in marvel, DC or comics period has ever achieved FTL travel without the use of hyperspace" "Odin has never busted anything more than a planet" "Silver Surfer has never been FTL or busted anything more than a moon, and he has terrible reaction speed"

Many more. abhilegend, they also hate superman to bits, and are currently active in deathbattles superman vs goku.....

I haven't heard anything about them. But even after all that stuff he wrote, he is still wrong.
Operator is right btw.

Originally posted by BeyonderGod
No....
If he can reshape mankind at his finger tips I would imagine he could end the universe and he is god.... Yeah he is way too op

Mother of existence is God and she shielded him during the fight with God and Satan then if you would know that he only stopped the bridge to Heaven and Hell nothing as God/Satan at full power are planet busters if I remember.

Mad jim Jaspers

Originally posted by kevdude
I haven't heard anything about them. But even after all that stuff he wrote, he is still wrong.
Operator is right btw.

Did you read the story arc?
Obviously, i know better than to doubt operator

Originally posted by VastoLord1234
Im not saying i agree with what that comicvine user "debunked", hence i put it in quotation marks. It was uberhikari from comicvine:

http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles-7/imperiex-vs-galactus-3881/
http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles-7/imperiex-prime-vs-classic-odin-585799/

Most people such as myself have never read the complete Our Worlds at War storyarc, only some issues; hence someone pulling of a detailed post with numerous issue numbers seems convincing.

Anyway Uberhikari is with this cult, they're cult is strong on youtube and facebook(OCW), and only they're elite members are active in comicvine. They basically go around attempting to debunk anything comic related, any major comic feats, they try to debunk them. They are notorious for claims such as "Marvel and DC dont possess anything more than ONE universe" "Spectre is a weak planet buster" "Supermans only a city buster" "Nobody in marvel, DC or comics period has ever achieved FTL travel without the use of hyperspace" "Odin has never busted anything more than a planet" "Silver Surfer has never been FTL or busted anything more than a moon, and he has terrible reaction speed"

Many more. abhilegend, they also hate superman to bits, and are currently active in deathbattles superman vs goku.....
Got to say, those are some of the most terrible arguments I've ever seen.

Originally posted by VastoLord1234
Did you read the story arc?
Obviously, i know better than to doubt operator

Yeah, I've pretty much read everything about it or tried too. Imperiex didn't need the machines but they made the process faster. The war was pretty drastic for everyone involved.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Got to say, those are some of the most terrible arguments I've ever seen.

I know right, its why im asking for real confirmation regarding imperiex's power. You got anything?

Originally posted by kevdude
Yeah, I've pretty much read everything about it or tried too. Imperiex didn't need the machines but they made the process faster. The war was pretty drastic for everyone involved.

Was there any feats from the probes or imperiex prime, that didnt require any amp or technologies?

Yes there is, but there's respect thread that show's what he's about. None of the Probes are amped and Imperiex himself already contains the big bang, so it wouldn't mean much but it does to the DCU, since he was dissecting it as Maxima states. You have to remember, you are not going to see the probes going around destroying moons or planets or galaxies by themselves, that's totally not the point of the arc.

Originally posted by kevdude
Yes there is, but there's respect thread that show's what he's about. None of the Probes are amped and Imperiex himself already contains the big bang, so it wouldn't mean much but it does to the DCU, since he was dissecting it as Maxima states. You have to remember, you are not going to see the probes going around destroying moons or planets or galaxies by themselves, that's totally not the point of the arc.

I recall a probe punching mongul across the galaxy?
I hope the respect thread debunks uberhikaris attempts at debunking imperiex.

Originally posted by VastoLord1234
I know right, its why im asking for real confirmation regarding imperiex's power. You got anything?



Was there any feats from the probes or imperiex prime, that didnt require any amp or technologies?
And Imperiex had the power of Big Bang, not just powers of
galaxies. From the official DC encyclopedia.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/pr1983/DCE154.jpg

If that's not enough to convince those trolls, nothing is.

Originally posted by abhilegend
And Imperiex had the power of Big Bang, not just powers of
galaxies. From the official DC encyclopedia.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/pr1983/DCE154.jpg

If that's not enough to convince those trolls, nothing is. I'm not convinced.

Originally posted by abhilegend
And Imperiex had the power of Big Bang, not just powers of
galaxies. From the official DC encyclopedia.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/pr1983/DCE154.jpg

If that's not enough to convince those trolls, nothing is.

Did t earth 51 Ray Palmer destroy a universe? Or did Earth 1 Palmer prevent the destruction from occurin? My old memory is hazy

Originally posted by Insane Titan
Mad jim Jaspers

Jaspers never actually destroyed a universe, though it was certainly implied that he could/would in time.

The Ominversal Majestrix (who oversees the Captain Britain Corps and answers directly to Merlyn) destroyed universe-238 in order to kill the original Jaspers and prevent his reality warp from spreading. Judging by that arc, the Omniversal Majestrix has no personal power as such but is in charge of technology that can apparently erase any universe in the entire Marvel multiverse at the touch of a button. Where the tech came from I dunno, presumably it has something to do with Merlyn.


Cheers.

Originally posted by abhilegend
And Imperiex had the power of Big Bang, not just powers of
galaxies. From the official DC encyclopedia.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/pr1983/DCE154.jpg

If that's not enough to convince those trolls, nothing is.

I doubt they'll take a wiki seriously, i tried using that on youtube, but no cigar.

Originally posted by VastoLord1234
I doubt they'll take a wiki seriously, i tried using that on youtube, but no cigar.

It's not a wiki it is the official handbook. ^^

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
It's not a wiki it is the official handbook. ^^

My bad, i mistook it for some sort of biowiki

Yeah they still didnt buy it anyway, it was discarded everytime it was used

Originally posted by VastoLord1234
My bad, i mistook it for some sort of biowiki

Yeah they still didnt buy it anyway, it was discarded everytime it was used

They can discredit it as much as they want, the official DC stance is right, their opinion isn't.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
They can discredit it as much as they want, the official DC stance is right, their opinion isn't.

Thumbs up to that, agreed.