Strongest Marvel and DC character Kaguya Ootsutsuki can defeat

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Zamiel
As the title says. The Juubi seems to have been just a nerfed Kaguya, so she gets its feats.

yungz22
List what kaguya has done

BloodRain
More powerful than beings whose chakra is continental(?).

Zamiel
Originally posted by yungz22
List what kaguya has done

Whatever the Gedo Mazo, Juubi and its jinchuuriki has done since since that all her power.

Originally posted by BloodRain
More powerful than beings whose chakra is continental(?).

Actually incomplete juubi's chakra is stated to be on little planetary scale.

http://i.imgur.com/tP5tHer.jpg

This was later backed up by Juubi jin Madara using wood release on a planetary scale.

http://i.imgur.com/nKMRW2q.jpg?1

Her complete self is leagues above that.

http://i.imgur.com/Bmbb0FS.jpg?1
http://i.imgur.com/rTnbNTc.jpg?1

BloodRain
When I say continental I mean completely destruction, not just affecting it.

Zamiel
Originally posted by BloodRain
When I say continental I mean completely destruction, not just affecting it.

Her destructive capacity is most likely planet level. Her son made the moon as a dying old man with chibaku tensei and he admitted his mother was more powerful than anyone. That include in his youth as the juubi's jin.

Demonic Phoenix
Originally posted by Zamiel
Her destructive capacity is most likely planet level. Her son made the moon as a dying old man with chibaku tensei and he admitted his mother was more powerful than anyone. That include in his youth as the juubi's jin. Busting a planet the size of the Earth would take somewhere around a thousand times more energy than busting a moon, which Hagoromo didn't actually do.

Kaguya is more powerful than her son, but we don't yet know how powerful. She may have abilities that have Planetary range (though really, the Tree is just shown affecting everything on the continent that the ninja countries are shown on), but that doesn't mean she could completely destroy the planet.

And I think you're looking at that sensing sphere thing incorrectly. It just meant that the Juubi had as much chakra as everyone in the Shinobi Alliance.

Also, current Kaguya should be weaker than Kaguya at her peak in the past.


Originally posted by yungz22
List what kaguya has done

Ignoring power-scaling, she can: teleport people (has been likened to summoning a dimension); throw hair senbon that pierce through Susanoo; use chakra fists that are stronger than Naruto's; bust through Perfect Susanoo; and teleport

NotAllThatEvil
robin. could maybe kill robin.....maybe

Q99
Originally posted by yungz22
List what kaguya has done

Done a genjutsu that put everyone on the continent (possibly the world) into a deep sleep except for those protected by Sasuke's Perfect Susano'o.


She can teleport, and even teleport locations to her. She brought a lava lake to her battlefield.


Her attacks can beat Perfect Susano'o, which can both slice apart mountains and tank attack that can destroy mountains.

She was also able to temporarily paralyze Naruto and Sasuke.



Earlier, Madara used gravity powers to rip up multiple kilometer+ spheres from the earth across a country and throw them ala meteors, and his power is a fraction of hers, and he was using the Rinnegan, which originated from her.

Juubi likes to spam gigaton+ level explosions at beyond-the-horizon ranges.

Zamiel
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Busting a planet the size of the Earth would take somewhere around a thousand times more energy than busting a moon, which Hagoromo didn't actually do.


A moon level CT would have taken chunk out of Earth to create the moon wouldn't it?



I was going by the statement that it's chakra was like a small star in the scan.

SSJGGogeta
You're all dumb. You're saying Kaguya is planet level and shit when her biggest feat is taking on two moon level characters. And Zamiel, that first scan you showed wasn't planet level. They were only observing the chakra of the battlefields that ninja were fighting on. That scan was to show the Jyuubi had almost as much chakra as the whole ninja alliance, around half as much.

And the sage's moon creation feat means nothing. He simply used the body of the Jyuubi as the center of a chibaku tensei, which required him to use almost no chakra. In fact, that was solely the Jyuubi's chakra in the first place. Kaguya is not much stronger than the Jyuubi at all. That's still around moon level. Not planet.

Zamiel
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
You're all dumb. You're saying Kaguya is planet level and shit when her biggest feat is taking on two moon level characters. And Zamiel, that first scan you showed wasn't planet level. They were only observing the chakra of the battlefields that ninja were fighting on. That scan was to show the Jyuubi had almost as much chakra as the whole ninja alliance, around half as much.

And the sage's moon creation feat means nothing. He simply used the body of the Jyuubi as the center of a chibaku tensei, which required him to use almost no chakra. In fact, that was solely the Jyuubi's chakra in the first place. Kaguya is not much stronger than the Jyuubi at all. That's still around moon level. Not planet.

The Juubi's chakra was divided into the tailed beast, dude.

SSJGGogeta
Originally posted by Zamiel
The Juubi's chakra was divided into the tailed beast, dude.

With the sole exclusions of the chakra that resided in the core of the moon that sealed Kaguya, and what the jinchuriki Hagaromo used to make the moon. Why do you think he was able to make a moon from the Jyuubi if he had already made the Biju?

Zamiel
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
With the sole exclusions of the chakra that resided in the core of the moon that sealed Kaguya, and what the jinchuriki Hagaromo used to make the moon. Why do you think he was able to make a moon from the Jyuubi if he had already made the Biju?

Hagaromo had already made the Tailed Beast before creating the moon. So he only had the Gedo Mazo in him when creating the moon. As a matter of fact it was even stated by Kurama. I highly doubt the Gedo Mazo's chakra is that powerful.

SSJGGogeta
Originally posted by Zamiel
Hagaromo had already made the Tailed Beast before creating the moon. So he only had the Gedo Mazo in him when creating the moon. As a matter of fact it was even stated by Kurama. I highly doubt the Gedo Mazo's chakra is that powerful.

How powerful? Powerful enough to take on and easily beat the entire shinobi allied force with the exclusion of a few super high tiers? Not to mention that there is no time frame showing when the biju were created, other than just before Hagaromo died.

Either way, he still didn't show a feat above Nagato, simply because of the fact that he had a catalyst to use Chibaku Tensei. Nagato made a small moon simply with his chakra.

NewGuy01
Kaguya can for all intents and purposes rewrite the battleground's conditions to whatever she sees fit at any time. Be it a cavern of boiling lava, a desert plain, or a mountainous blizzard, Kaguya can decide and change the factors based on the situation at any time.

She can also create rifts in space that she can use to either travel anywhere on a planetary scale, travel between dimensions she's created, and close distances completely with no delay time whatsoever.

On top of this, she can see the entire networking of her opponent's energy pathway system, and can disrupt the flow of energy by piercing the pressure points with her ultra-precise Needle Jizou that is strong enough to cut through the Susano'o. Not only this, but she also has a 360 degree range of vision, and thus is invulnerable to attacks from her blind spot.

The pressure released from a single punch of her extended-range chakra arms colliding with Naruto's caused a portion of the base of a massive volcano to burst, and she can fire off these chakra arms at rates that dwarf sonic speed. Not only this, but a single smash from one of her chakra arms was enough to completely shred the Perfect Susano'o, which is easily well above mountain busting level in both attack and defense.

Her hair in itself appears almost completely indestructible, and she can control it in it's entirety at will. It can be used to bind opponents with strength ridiculous enough to casually captivate Naruto, who's strength is approaching mountain-busting level apparently. Not only this, but her hair rapidly drains the strength of those it binds at a dangerous rate.

Not only this, but Kaguya's chakra was said by Naruto to far surpass that of the Juubi's, which is supposedly on small planetary level itself according to the HQ's interpretation. This is supported by it's ability to casually fire off bombs that completely obliterate anything within what appears to be at least a 20-30 kilometer radius.

On top of this, she was able to trap the entirety of the world under her spell via the Infinite Tsukuyomi, and then casually create a planetary-scale tree to bind them.

Similarly to Hagoromo, she had the ability to create life, as the Juubi was apparently nothing but a creation of hers that she breathed life and will into. Considering that her creation was powerful enough that it had to be encased in what became the moon to stop it, it's an impressive showing for her as well.

Kaguya Ootsutsuki is incredibly powerful, even in the DC universe she should be above the low and possibly mid tier characters.

BloodRain
@Gogeta: Not sure a town sized rock counts as a small moon.

Though I do believe the moon being made was with the Juubis power, as its highly unlikely that he merged with Juubi, created the tailed beasts, bonded with them (by Kurama's words and flashback) then finally decided to send the Juubi's corpse that he's just been keeping in storage into space to form the moon.

Demonic Phoenix
Originally posted by Zamiel
A moon level CT would have taken chunk out of Earth to create the moon wouldn't it?



I was going by the statement that it's chakra was like a small star in the scan.

Yeah, you're right. So you think Kaguya could create/destroy a planet with CT?



So because the second sphere looks like a star, the Juubi must have as much chakra as a star or a planet? Don't be ridiculous.
That sensing ball is tied to the sensing sphere that covers the entire battlefield (which itself is rather large). Does this particular sphere look like it is tied to a planetary barrier to you?

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Kaguya Ootsutsuki is incredibly powerful, even in the DC universe she should be above the low and possibly mid tier characters.

Easily at least Low Herald.

SSJGGogeta
Originally posted by NewGuy01
Kaguya can for all intents and purposes rewrite the battleground's conditions to whatever she sees fit at any time. Be it a cavern of boiling lava, a desert plain, or a mountainous blizzard, Kaguya can decide and change the factors based on the situation at any time.

She can also create rifts in space that she can use to either travel anywhere on a planetary scale, travel between dimensions she's created, and close distances completely with no delay time whatsoever.

On top of this, she can see the entire networking of her opponent's energy pathway system, and can disrupt the flow of energy by piercing the pressure points with her ultra-precise Needle Jizou that is strong enough to cut through the Susano'o. Not only this, but she also has a 360 degree range of vision, and thus is invulnerable to attacks from her blind spot.

The pressure released from a single punch of her extended-range chakra arms colliding with Naruto's caused a portion of the base of a massive volcano to burst, and she can fire off these chakra arms at rates that dwarf sonic speed. Not only this, but a single smash from one of her chakra arms was enough to completely shred the Perfect Susano'o, which is easily well above mountain busting level in both attack and defense.

Her hair in itself appears almost completely indestructible, and she can control it in it's entirety at will. It can be used to bind opponents with strength ridiculous enough to casually captivate Naruto, who's strength is approaching mountain-busting level apparently. Not only this, but her hair rapidly drains the strength of those it binds at a dangerous rate.

Not only this, but Kaguya's chakra was said by Naruto to far surpass that of the Juubi's, which is supposedly on small planetary level itself according to the HQ's interpretation. This is supported by it's ability to casually fire off bombs that completely obliterate anything within what appears to be at least a 20-30 kilometer radius.

On top of this, she was able to trap the entirety of the world under her spell via the Infinite Tsukuyomi, and then casually create a planetary-scale tree to bind them.

Similarly to Hagoromo, she had the ability to create life, as the Juubi was apparently nothing but a creation of hers that she breathed life and will into. Considering that her creation was powerful enough that it had to be encased in what became the moon to stop it, it's an impressive showing for her as well.

Kaguya Ootsutsuki is incredibly powerful, even in the DC universe she should be above the low and possibly mid tier characters.

Basically what I gathered was that, to you, "small planetary" level, is 20-30 kilometers. You are silly, you still have no planetary feat whatsoever for them, Magneto shits on Kaguya.

Q99
Really what she has going for is raw variety of abilities.

Kaguya should have the Juubi-Jinchuuriki 'orbs of erase stuff, no regen'.

She can drain power.

She can mind control people with a look (Rinnegan-sharingan).

Rip out souls (rinnegan powers).

Re-write terrain (Magneto? Oops, now in a place with no metal!) and teleport.

Temporarily paralyze foes of even Naruto and Sasuke's level (meaning, someone extremely powerful but using active powers? Likely to find themselves stunned and immobile, set up for an easy kill.

SSJGGogeta
Originally posted by Q99
Really what she has going for is raw variety of abilities.

Kaguya should have the Juubi-Jinchuuriki 'orbs of erase stuff, no regen'.

She can drain power.

She can mind control people with a look (Rinnegan-sharingan).

Rip out souls (rinnegan powers).

Re-write terrain (Magneto? Oops, now in a place with no metal!) and teleport.

Temporarily paralyze foes of even Naruto and Sasuke's level (meaning, someone extremely powerful but using active powers? Likely to find themselves stunned and immobile, set up for an easy kill.

You're apparently forgetting that before she could do any of that, Magneto could simply rip her apart by controlling the iron in her blood. She has no durability feats on planetary level, meaning cannon, comic Magneto could shit on her.

NewGuy01
Considering Madara, who is infinitely inferior to Kaguya, can casually be cut in half without any trouble, I'm not sure how being ripped apart would really stop her.

Q99
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
You're apparently forgetting that before she could do any of that, Magneto could simply rip her apart by controlling the iron in her blood. She has no durability feats on planetary level, meaning cannon, comic Magneto could shit on her.


Why would Magneto be able to do 'before' when she's the faster? It's the other way around- she'd do 'before' he could do any big feats.


Also, iron-blood manipulation tends to be a lot smaller and more precise than that. Actually ripping someone apart requires more metal to work with.

StealthRanger
>Kaguya
>faster than Magneto

lol'd

Anyways, Magneto could just **** around with her internals and all. Or atomise her. Whatever works

danteiscool
isn't Magneto relativistic or something like that in reaction speed? Kaguya sure hasn't shown anything on that level of speed, if this is the case.

Q99
Originally posted by danteiscool
isn't Magneto relativistic or something like that in reaction speed? Kaguya sure hasn't shown anything on that level of speed, if this is the case.



Are you lot mistaking Magneto for someone with true super speed?


He has some reflexive abilities like bullet blocking- that isn't conscious- but his offensive powers? He still does them at a basically human rate.


His defense is generally a 'turtle' one, raise his energy shield and then use his powers from there, but no, he is definitely not a speedster.

Astner
Originally posted by danteiscool
isn't Magneto relativistic or something like that in reaction speed?
Nowhere close. While Magneto generally doesn't show any signs of superhuman speed or reaction there was one issue where it was noted that his neurons fired at speeds 1,450% quicker than normal people's.

http://i.imgur.com/MxH7u2fs.jpg

So he might barely be able to react to a bullet. But relativistic? No. Heck, if he was then Quicksilver wouldn't be able to lay a finger on him.

That said. Kaguya definitely has the speed advantage against Magneto.

Q99
Thanks Astner.

So yea, he's a damn-fasted human, faster than any normal human, but his own son is faster.

danteiscool
huh, alright. must've misread something...

wakkawakkawakka
So now that the whole Magneto thing has been cleared up...do we have an answer? I'd agree with her being low level Herald but that's just me.

SSJGGogeta
Originally posted by Q99
Why would Magneto be able to do 'before' when she's the faster? It's the other way around- she'd do 'before' he could do any big feats.


Also, iron-blood manipulation tends to be a lot smaller and more precise than that. Actually ripping someone apart requires more metal to work with.

Because he was able to stop a planet sized steel bullet traveling near light speed from hitting Earth. That speed feat should be enough to say his cannon comic self can control metal at that fast a rate. The iron in Kaguya's blood would probably be enough to, at the very least, stop her movement until he could pull it out, and kill her.

Also, aren't her black sphere things made from organic metal? If so, then he could control those as well, and make them trap or dismember her.

I wasn't even suggesting him to be faster than her, but his metallic control is near instant, meaning unless someone is moving before he starts, he can usually pull their iron out. In this case though, he could always use the chakra infused metal spheres.

SSJGGogeta
Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
So now that the whole Magneto thing has been cleared up...do we have an answer? I'd agree with her being low level Herald but that's just me.

How low Herald?

BloodRain
The bullet one would depend on how far away it was from him and how much time/distance was travelled from him seeing it to acting.

Eg a character would only need supersonic reactions if the planetoid travelled 1,000km (a tenth of its diameter, nothing given its speed) before being controlled.


The balls? Pretty sure they're just pure, dense chakra.


Low Herald seems fine as she's Moon level by power scaling, with a bundle of abilities and.. okay not going to say the speed as recent calcs have current naruto as relativistic. Would like others to confirm this.

Demonic Phoenix
Originally posted by BloodRain
okay not going to say the speed as recent calcs have current naruto as relativistic.

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j173/BathedInSin_2006/1220749575966.jpg

BloodRain
I haven't been keeping up with calcs in a while sad not sure what's legit anymore.

Astner
Originally posted by BloodRain
okay not going to say the speed as recent calcs have current naruto as relativistic.
The OBD really is the cancer of the Vs. community. If a character moves at escape velocity they'll end up in orbit. A high school freshman should be able to point this out.

But what can you do? If these kids get off to the e-cred they get from applying their elementary school trigonometry to manga scans they're going to continue doing it.

dadudemon
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Busting a planet the size of the Earth would take somewhere around a thousand times more energy than busting a moon, which Hagoromo didn't actually do.


Nah, 82 times more, not 1000.

Demonic Phoenix

dadudemon

Demonic Phoenix
Originally posted by dadudemon
Holy shit...I'm wrong about something.


I was positive the mass difference was the variable change in the GBE formula since the average density was used (in my estimate). But, yes, you're right: transitive property didn't apply and I should have done the math. sad


Edit - I'll review the work on that site probably tomorrow.

No biggies. We all find ourselves being wrong at some point or another.

Cool. Lemme know what you think. I kinda like his work. thumb up

SSJGGogeta
Originally posted by BloodRain
The bullet one would depend on how far away it was from him and how much time/distance was travelled from him seeing it to acting.

Eg a character would only need supersonic reactions if the planetoid travelled 1,000km (a tenth of its diameter, nothing given its speed) before being controlled.


The balls? Pretty sure they're just pure, dense chakra.


Low Herald seems fine as she's Moon level by power scaling, with a bundle of abilities and.. okay not going to say the speed as recent calcs have current naruto as relativistic. Would like others to confirm this.

Those variables are irrelevant with this feat. He stopped a nearly light speed, planet sized bullet in between the time he saw it before it hit Earth. That's a much higher feat of reaction speed than any Naruto character's given, other than someone like Hashirama or super high tier warpers.

Yeah, but this is a very VERY fast bullet we're talking about. I can't find a scan of when they we're talking about the bullets specifics like size, weight and speed, but he's also stopped Thor's ridiculously fast Mjolnir before.

http://i.stack.imgur.com/2UIHz.jpg

That feat should put his metal controlling at least to around Silver Surfer level.

Yeah, but they have a lot of metallic characteristics, and were actually made from Kaguya's body, remember? Just like the black rods Pein used, which were determined by Shizune to be a chakra dense form of some type of steel. All around, I think it's very arguable to say they could definitely be some type of metal, made from the ability of the rinnegan that can make chakra into matter.

Eh, I don't know about that. I mean, sure, with Hiraishin he's light speed, but his normal speed probably isn't more than a bit over Madara's, which could be calced to around mach 1,000 or so.

StealthRanger
Originally posted by Astner
The OBD really is the cancer of the Vs. community. If a character moves at escape velocity they'll end up in orbit. A high school freshman should be able to point this out.

But what can you do? If these kids get off to the e-cred they get from applying their elementary school trigonometry to manga scans they're going to continue doing it.

Someone's anally retentive over fiction

That said, best calcs I've heard for Nardo was only in the single digit percent lightspeed

Other than that, Mach triple digits were what I heard for everything else below top tier

Nothing relativistic though (which is 10% lightspeed at least)

Astner
Originally posted by StealthRanger
Someone's anally retentive over fiction
I don't lose sleep over it, but the mention of that cesspool of idiocy leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

Originally posted by StealthRanger
That said, best calcs I've heard for Nardo was only in the single digit percent lightspeed

Other than that, Mach triple digits were what I heard for everything else below top tier
Yeah, they are nowhere near that fast.

dadudemon
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Cool. Lemme know what you think. I kinda like his work. thumb up


I cannot account for my mistake. It just doesn't fit right with the math.


It takes 1800 times more energy to destroy the earth than it does the moon. That's crazy huge. The difference can be accounted for via the density (and the fact that these are 3d objects with differing densities). So, as it scales up, the GBE required to "blow it up" increases, exponentially.

The density and the size differences (earth is more dense and is larger (this one is obvious)) are what is accounting for the 1800 times difference.


This is not the first time that powers have screwed up my estimates. That'll teach me for trying to use my head.

psycho gundam
thor would whoop her ass i know that

SSJGGogeta
Originally posted by psycho gundam
thor would whoop her ass i know that

Um... Duh, lol.

At least most comic versions, that is. Movie Thor would lose. stick out tongue

BloodRain
With Chris Hemsworth in perma sexy jutsu mode? Nah man.

psycho gundam
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Um... Duh, lol.

At least most comic versions, that is. Movie Thor would lose. stick out tongue trying to stoke the fire and get a battlezone started.

come at me

Demonic Phoenix
Originally posted by psycho gundam
thor would whoop her ass i know that

Before or after he gives her his hammer?

SSJGGogeta
Originally posted by BloodRain
With Chris Hemsworth in perma sexy jutsu mode? Nah man.

Eh, now that I think about it, you're probably right.

She can't resist those rock-solid pecks and long, flowing blond hair. All he would potentially have to do is throw off his armor and she's as good as done, sadly, lol.

Zamiel
Well she can wipe out a planet sized dimension with a massive Truth Seeking Ball.

SSJGGogeta
Originally posted by Zamiel
Well she can wipe out a planet sized dimension with a massive Truth Seeking Ball.

But can she dodge?

Seriously though, she'd stomp until we get into versions like Rune King Thor.

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