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KMC, give the definitive answers on these 2 questions involving Void Sentry and SIEGE.

1. Did Bob allow Thor to kill him during SIEGE?

2. Was it brute strength or matter manipulation that allowed Voidtry to rip Ares in half?

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
1. Did Bob allow Thor to kill him during SIEGE?

Yes, Bob did allow it.

Before the killing blow Void and Thor engaged in a fight, where Thor was approaching Void and yelling at him, he will attack him with all of the power under his command.
Thor attacked the Void with one of his major lightning strikes, which he doesn't do on a regular basis, but uses them to attack opponents like the Chaos King and so on.
That attack didn't have that much of an effect on the Void except for bursting his outer shell.

Here are the screenshots to that scene:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/116291/2180715-6.jpg

As a comparison here is Thor's lightning strike he used on the Chaos King:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11113/111132618/3435515-3299168-1814844744-56563.jpg

The next time we saw Thor fighting the Void, Void was squeezing the hell out of him and obviously having the physical advantage, as well the speed advantage judging by the next scene, where Void destroyed entire Asgard, while Thor only managed to raise his arm to wield Mjolnir in the meantime:

Here are the screenshots to that scene:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/116291/2180716-7.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/116291/2180717-8.jpg

In my opinion that encounter has proven that Thor didn't have any business fighting the Void.

Then we got the infamous scene in the end, where Thor gets the opportunity to strike again and finish the Void off, after Robert Reynolds begs the Avengers to kill him:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/116291/2180749-16.jpg

If you take a look at all of the events during Siege it's not that hard to understand that Void straight up beat Void and only died, when his good side regained the control and defeated himself.
That was confirmed by the writer of the story himself:

Q:In this scene, Thor finally ends the threat of the Void AKA Bob Reynolds by killing him. It seems like when you consider the Void's power level, the only way this could have happened was because the Void wanted to die.

A:I see there is a lot of online speculation about that, and I thought it was pretty clear. I don't like to over analyze these things. I prefer the work to speak for itself, but I'll put two things out there.



Number two, yes, Bob realized that things had gone as far as they could possibly go. There was no other end for him and without his cooperation he doesn't go away. I just didn't want to have a line in the script where someone like Spider-Woman goes, "Boy, if he didn't want us to kill him, we couldn't have killed him." I see a lot of people got it, though, or they were just so happy to see the Sentry die they didn't give a shit how it happened.

Source: http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=26287

But that is overall the history with that character as we could see it also during the events of World War Hulk and the final battle between WW Hulk and the Sentry, where you saw Sentry letting Hulk beat him up, even asked for more punishment and thanked Hulk in the for stopping him.
The writer of that story confirmed as well that the Sentry realized that he was going too far and asked the Hulk to stop him:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/10/102593/3288874-greg.jpg

And I would like to point out that during the Sentry was depowered during the World War Hulk storyline, since he was dealing with major mental issues, which make the character less powerful and he still went blow for blow with one of the most powerful Hulk versions and even had the upper hand in my opinon.
That showcases how powerful the Sentry and the Void really are. You just have to consider a little bit of context, when it comes to that character.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
2. Was it brute strength or matter manipulation that allowed Voidtry to rip Ares in half?

Well, in the end of the day it was both. Right now we're left with the notion that the Sentry is capable of controlling the molecules. That is the reason why he can do all the things he does.

When Sentry killed Ares, he had his molecule aura around himself:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/116291/2180703-7.jpg

The molecule manipulation gives the Sentry strength as a sub-power and it could and should be argued that he can use his molecule manipulation to increase his strength levels, just like other characters have dynamic strength, gamma rays or the power cosmic for that.

However the question now is if he used the molecule manipulation or raw, brute strength to rip Ares in half.
And the answer to that is obviously raw, brute strength.

In the screenshot we see him ripping Ares in half. Everything points to it being a showing of strength:
- He holds Ares body parts in the directions he is pulling,
- He is channeling more strength by screaming and looking enraged.

When Sentry and Void were using molecule manipulation it never turned into a massacre like in the case of Ares' death. There it was more of a dissolve into nothing.

Here we have the Sentry dissolving the Molecule Man into nothing:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/116291/2180597-11.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/116291/2180598-12.jpg

Here we have the Void dissolving Noh-Varr's tech into nothing:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/116291/2180771-2.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/116291/2180772-3.jpg

(It's interesting to see that the Sentry was capable of using his offensive molecule manipulation regularly, while the Void needed to make contact with the weapon first with one of his tentacles)

Here we see Void once again using his molecule manipulation and here in order to dissolve Loki into nothing. Once again he makes contact with his tentacles instead of just using the molecule manipulation from a distance:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/116291/2180726-7.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/116291/2180727-8.jpg

Sentry again doesn't need tentacles to use the molecule manipulation on items / opponents:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11113/111131773/3323521-4.jpg

1. Yes

2. No

No

No

The question should be



Because, we know now for sure, Sentry didnt died in Siege. He still was able to reform himself in the sun, even if great part of himself wanted to be dead.

Is very clear that he let Thor kill him. Sentry just cannot die if he dont want do (unless a guy far stronger than a High Herald try to kill him...you need way more than just destroy all his body).

Originally posted by Enzeru
Yes, Bob did allow it.

Before the killing blow Void and Thor engaged in a fight, where Thor was approaching Void and yelling at him, he will attack him with all of the power under his command.
Thor attacked the Void with one of his major lightning strikes, which he doesn't do on a regular basis, but uses them to attack opponents like the Chaos King and so on.
That attack didn't have that much of an effect on the Void except for bursting his outer shell.

Here are the screenshots to that scene:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/116291/2180715-6.jpg

As a comparison here is Thor's lightning strike he used on the Chaos King:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11113/111132618/3435515-3299168-1814844744-56563.jpg

The next time we saw Thor fighting the Void, Void was squeezing the hell out of him and obviously having the physical advantage, as well the speed advantage judging by the next scene, where Void destroyed entire Asgard, while Thor only managed to raise his arm to wield Mjolnir in the meantime:

Here are the screenshots to that scene:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/116291/2180716-7.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/116291/2180717-8.jpg

In my opinion that encounter has proven that Thor didn't have any business fighting the Void.

Then we got the infamous scene in the end, where Thor gets the opportunity to strike again and finish the Void off, after Robert Reynolds begs the Avengers to kill him:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/116291/2180749-16.jpg

If you take a look at all of the events during Siege it's not that hard to understand that Void straight up beat Void and only died, when his good side regained the control and defeated himself.
That was confirmed by the writer of the story himself:

Q:In this scene, Thor finally ends the threat of the Void AKA Bob Reynolds by killing him. It seems like when you consider the Void's power level, the only way this could have happened was because the Void wanted to die.

A:I see there is a lot of online speculation about that, and I thought it was pretty clear. I don't like to over analyze these things. I prefer the work to speak for itself, but I'll put two things out there.



Number two, yes, Bob realized that things had gone as far as they could possibly go. There was no other end for him and without his cooperation he doesn't go away. I just didn't want to have a line in the script where someone like Spider-Woman goes, "Boy, if he didn't want us to kill him, we couldn't have killed him." I see a lot of people got it, though, or they were just so happy to see the Sentry die they didn't give a shit how it happened.

Source: http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=26287

But that is overall the history with that character as we could see it also during the events of World War Hulk and the final battle between WW Hulk and the Sentry, where you saw Sentry letting Hulk beat him up, even asked for more punishment and thanked Hulk in the for stopping him.
The writer of that story confirmed as well that the Sentry realized that he was going too far and asked the Hulk to stop him:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/10/102593/3288874-greg.jpg

And I would like to point out that during the Sentry was depowered during the World War Hulk storyline, since he was dealing with major mental issues, which make the character less powerful and he still went blow for blow with one of the most powerful Hulk versions and even had the upper hand in my opinon.
That showcases how powerful the Sentry and the Void really are. You just have to consider a little bit of context, when it comes to that character.



Well, in the end of the day it was both. Right now we're left with the notion that the Sentry is capable of controlling the molecules. That is the reason why he can do all the things he does.

When Sentry killed Ares, he had his molecule aura around himself:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/116291/2180703-7.jpg

The molecule manipulation gives the Sentry strength as a sub-power and it could and should be argued that he can use his molecule manipulation to increase his strength levels, just like other characters have dynamic strength, gamma rays or the power cosmic for that.

However the question now is if he used the molecule manipulation or raw, brute strength to rip Ares in half.
And the answer to that is obviously raw, brute strength.

In the screenshot we see him ripping Ares in half. Everything points to it being a showing of strength:
- He holds Ares body parts in the directions he is pulling,
- He is channeling more strength by screaming and looking enraged.

When Sentry and Void were using molecule manipulation it never turned into a massacre like in the case of Ares' death. There it was more of a dissolve into nothing.

Here we have the Sentry dissolving the Molecule Man into nothing:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/116291/2180597-11.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/116291/2180598-12.jpg

Here we have the Void dissolving Noh-Varr's tech into nothing:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/116291/2180771-2.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/116291/2180772-3.jpg

(It's interesting to see that the Sentry was capable of using his offensive molecule manipulation regularly, while the Void needed to make contact with the weapon first with one of his tentacles)

Here we see Void once again using his molecule manipulation and here in order to dissolve Loki into nothing. Once again he makes contact with his tentacles instead of just using the molecule manipulation from a distance:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/116291/2180726-7.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/116291/2180727-8.jpg

Sentry again doesn't need tentacles to use the molecule manipulation on items / opponents:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11113/111131773/3323521-4.jpg Good to have you back Enzeru

he 100% allowed him too he was more afraid of the void taking over and i dont think it was matter manip that ripped ares in half

1. He allowed Thor to do it.

2. He used strength to rip Ares in half.

I won't get into the hornet's nest that number one can be.

The second question though I'm pretty sure I've heard and read somewhere that the author stated it takes more than raw strength to kill a god or something along those lines.

If someone could confirm this that would be appreciated.

Of course that could still mean Sentry ripped him apart and used something else to keep him dead or Sentry had to use something more than physical means to rip Ares apart in the first place.

Originally posted by Newjak
I won't get into the hornet's nest that number one can be.

The second question though I'm pretty sure I've heard and read somewhere that the author stated it takes more than raw strength to kill a god or something along those lines.

If someone could confirm this that would be appreciated.

Of course that could still mean Sentry ripped him apart and used something else to keep him dead or Sentry had to use something more than physical means to rip Ares apart in the first place.

to b honest with you now that you say that i remember what your talking about im looking now but i wont be able to post scans till im home if someone else can that'd b great

yes

yes

1. YES, he allowed THOR to kill him.

2. Tearing Ares in two was done by strength alone.

Originally posted by Newjak
I won't get into the hornet's nest that number one can be.

KMC is for the BOLD!

Answer the first question...

IF YOU DARE!

1.) Yes.

2.) No.

1. Based on Remender's extrapolation on how he kept regenerating from individual atoms while in the Sun, I doubt Thor ever actually managed to kill him to begin with.

2. Combination of both. Although if we want to go the technical route, all of Sentry's abilities are derived from his matter manip, so it should count more as a matter manip feat than a strength feat.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
KMC, give the definitive answers on these 2 questions involving Void Sentry and SIEGE.

1. Did Bob allow Thor to kill him during SIEGE?

2. Was it brute strength or matter manipulation that allowed Voidtry to rip Ares in half? http://theotakuspot.animeblogger.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/AW-SHIT-NIGGA.png

Originally posted by Epicurus
1. Based on Remender's extrapolation on how he kept regenerating from individual atoms while in the Sun, I doubt Thor ever actually managed to kill him to begin with.

2. Combination of both. Although if we want to go the technical route, all of Sentry's abilities are derived from his matter manip, so it should count more as a matter manip feat than a strength feat.

Perfectly said! When I first read Sentry's monologue to Thor in uncanny avengers it wowed me because he was basically saying he was never dead. He was within the sun all this time and his cells would constantly regrow but the sun would disintegrate them in an instant and he said he remembers it all happening. So that means this dude pretty much can't die lol.

I also agree with the ares feat. When I abruptly said No I really was thinking yes and no. Perhaps Voidtry did possess said ridiculous brute strength, but a small thought had me to believe that it was complimented with a little molecule manipulation. Hard to truly say.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
No

No

Care to explain your answers?

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Care to explain your answers? Bob wanted him to kill him , but it's not that straight forward as Thor ended up killing the Void who didn't want to die and was attacking the heroes. Plus Bob/Voids durability wasn't lowered.

It wasn't pure strength due to the energy/molecule powers Sentry had shown

Enzeru has it right

Originally posted by Insane Titan
Bob wanted him to kill him , but it's not that straight forward as Thor ended up killing the Void who didn't want to die and was attacking the heroes. Plus Bob/Voids durability wasn't lowered.


Sentry's powers fluctuate depending on his mental state. Bob was extremely unstable throught SIEGE except in the parts where the Void took over completely.

Bob's internal conflict did in fact weaken the Void long enough for Thor to "Kill" him.

yup^

Originally posted by Insane Titan
No

No The writer stated he allowed him no forced him to kill him.


The comic also makes it pretty clear.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
KMC, give the definitive answers on these 2 questions involving Void Sentry and SIEGE.

1. Did Bob allow Thor to kill him during SIEGE?

I believe it was several things involved

Void was already in bad shape when He allowed Thor to kill him.

The helli carrier force was so much that it turn him back into BOb this plus the battle already sustained with Thor took a toll on the Void's body that battle damaged plus Bob allowing Thor to kill him that is what allowed Thor to kill the Void.

Bear in mind that the writer gave the feat to THOR because Thor was apparently the only hero capable of doing such a thing among the other characters around (many of whom were mid tiers lacking the power of actually facing the Void by themselves) The writer simply did not gave the feat to Spiderman, because Spiderman will lack the power to kill even a willing to die Bob

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
2. Was it brute strength or matter manipulation that allowed Voidtry to rip Ares in half?

To me it was displayed more as a physical strength feat

The writer confirmed the Void had to allow Thor to kill him otherwise he could come back. Previous showings also back this up.

Um yeah who is arguing that, I am saying that also the hellicarrier and his previous battle with Thor were also factor.

Otherwise why to put those elements on the story?

I mean why to have the helli carrier to create an explosion so big that it turns the void back into Bob?

Oh just because looks cool I guess?

made the void lose control over bob? who knows. Im assuming bob was fighting back mentally that whole time as well

you cant contribute the hellicarrier as the only factor

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Um yeah who is arguing that, I am saying that also the hellicarrier and his previous battle with Thor were also factor.

Otherwise why to put those elements on the story?

I mean why to have the helli carrier to create an explosion so big that it turns the void back into Bob?

Oh just because looks cool I guess? His Bob persona came out. This allowed him to feel the guilt which allowed Thor to kill him since the Bob persona allowed it.

When he isn't mentally weak/guilty he can't be killed by Thor. We have seen him survive total annihilation before.

Writer confirmed this.

@BBREM

That and his whole previous fight with Thor

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
@BBREM

That and his whole previous fight with Thor His previous fight with Thor showed Thor can't even beat him with a team and an amp. Sentry brought down Asgard and ended his brother.


If the Sentry doesn't want to go away he doesn't go away here.


Only a few have the power to kill unkillables.

Originally posted by quanchi112
His Bob persona came out. This allowed him to feel the guilt which allowed Thor to kill him since the Bob persona allowed it.

You are just repeating yourself on a point that YOU AND I AGREE ON

Originally posted by quanchi112
When he isn't mentally weak/guilty he can't be killed by Thor. We have seen him survive total annihilation before.

Writer confirmed this.

That is called no limits fallacy and it contradicts panel showing

On panel showing a battle damaged Void (because of his previous fight with Thor) was turned back into Bob with a enough force caused by the helli carrier.

Weather you like it or not, it is on Siege 4

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
You are just repeating yourself on a point that YOU AND I AGREE ON



That is called no limits fallacy and it contradicts panel showing

On panel showing a battle damaged Void (because of his previous fight with Thor) was turned back into Bob with a enough force caused by the helli carrier.

Weather you like it or not, it is on Siege 4 No, it isn't. He has limits just not anything Thor can bring to the table. The writer confirmed this.


It showed his guilt emerged thus demanding he be killed and forcing Thor to do so.


He can reform when he isn't weighed down by guilt and doesn't want to come back. Proven on panel and confirmed by the writer.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, it isn't. He has limits just not anything Thor can bring to the table. The writer confirmed this.

Let me put it this way. If you want me to kill you with my bare hands I can kill you because I have the power to kill you, If you want a baby to kill you with his bare hands He can't

You allowing me to kill you will make things much more easier, but that does not meant that I can only kill you because you allowed me to kill you.

Thor performed the feat because He has the power to do it


Originally posted by quanchi112
It showed his guilt emerged thus demanding he be killed and forcing Thor to do so.

It also showed that with enough he can revert back into Bob


Originally posted by quanchi112
He can reform when he isn't weighed down by guilt and doesn't want to come back. Proven on panel and confirmed by the writer.



Again trying to sneak a no limits fallacy, Thor killed him because he can and has the power to kill him plain and simple, if he did not have the power to kill him it does not matter how much Bob wanted to die, he would just not die. So thor has the power to kill him, Something Thor succeded even though Bob tried to kill himself before

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Let me put it this way. If you want me to kill you with my bare hands I can kill you because I have the power to kill you, If you want a baby to kill you with his bare hands He can't

You allowing me to kill you will make things much more easier, but that does not meant that I can only kill you because you allowed me to kill you.

Thor performed the feat because He has the power to do it




It also showed that with enough he can revert back into Bob




Again trying to sneak a no limits fallacy, Thor killed him because he can and has the power to kill him plain and simple, if he did not have the power to kill him it does not matter how much Bob wanted to die, he would just not die. So thor has the power to kill him, Something Thor succeded even though Bob tried to kill himself before Horrible analogy. Sentry can control and alter his molecules. Most people can't return back to life when their body is destroyed. Thor has the power to hurt Sentry's body but the Sentry can reform at will. The only reason he didn't is because he chose to stay dead. The writer confirmed this.

False. We have seen greater power destroy his body completely and he didn't revert back. With the right set of circumstances Bob can reemerge. He just killed his friend Ares and brought down Asgard. His wife was killed. He was going through a lot. Quit saying Helicarrier and discounting the emotional aspect which is where guilt comes from.

Thor has the power to damage his power he doesn't have the power to prevent him from reforming. The writer confirmed this. I'm a superb debater.

I dont know if I buy that battle damage theory. He was damage far more by molecule man and was still at his prime at the end of the fight.

Originally posted by bbrem123
I dont know if I buy that battle damage theory. He was damage far more by molecule man and was still at his prime at the end of the fight. It was a culmination of the emotional turmoil he had been dealing with.


Death of his wife, killed his friend Ares, bringing down Asgard, fighting former allies. Power had nothing to do with it IMO. As we both know he has been completely destroyed to come back to overpower the Molecule Man at his own game.

Guys, we have on panel confirmation Sentry didnt died in end of Siege. He was reforming himself from a atom in sun. This discussions is pointless...

....damn you know quanchi has a bad rep when ppl agree with him and he still finds a way to argue.

Originally posted by eaebiakuya
Guys, we have on panel confirmation Sentry didnt died in end of Siege. He was reforming himself from a atom in sun. This discussions is pointless...

The discussion isn't pointless at all.

Why didn't Bob reform while in Thor's arms when he had enough opportunity to heal from the damage?

We are dealing with the events in the context of the story not Remender's additions to the past events.

Because he dont wanted to reform in that time. He was able to get control over Void personality for that moment.

The others time he tried to kill himself, the void personality dont let him do that.

After he was in Sun, the void personality comeback and again tryed to reform him - while other part of him dont wanted that.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
Bob wanted him to kill him , but it's not that straight forward as Thor ended up killing the Void who didn't want to die and was attacking the heroes. Plus Bob/Voids durability wasn't lowered.

It wasn't pure strength due to the energy/molecule powers Sentry had shown

Really? So just because he had the power, you know that he used it? Sorry, but I see not evidence if that based on the scenseee.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Horrible analogy.

Actually is the perfect analogy, you just don't like it because it destroys your weak case.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Sentry can control and alter his molecules.

Since you like to quote so much writers interviews, should I bring the interview where it says that Sentry does not has molecular manipulation, that He thinks he does because he is mentally unstable,.

OR are you going to pick and choose what you like and what you don't the way you always do?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Most people can't return back to life when their body is destroyed.

are you serious? in comics people can't come back from the dead regardless of only getting a bullet on the brain or being destroyed completely in comics it can happen, haven't you read a comic book?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thor has the power to hurt Sentry's body but the Sentry can reform at will. The only reason he didn't is because he chose to stay dead. The writer confirmed this.

Picking and choosing what the writer says to best fit your argument?
Thor has the power to hurt and Kill Sentry this is the reason why the feat was given to him and not to Captain America. Sentry or Bob tried to kill himself before with out success, even if he wanted to stay dead, it was not until Thor killed him that He stayed dead.

Originally posted by quanchi112
False. We have seen greater power destroy his body completely and he didn't revert back. With the right set of circumstances Bob can reemerge. He just killed his friend Ares and brought down Asgard. His wife was killed. He was going through a lot.

Might be because like I said before, He was getting taxed by his battle/battles after all Sentry does not run on a no limits fallacy world, wasn't he flash KO for a while by Thor in the same arc?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Quit saying Helicarrier and discounting the emotional aspect which is where guilt comes from.

Yes the helicarrier did it's part and I thought We both agree that his mental state actually DID play part on his demise. Unless you did not understand this part and you want me to guide you though it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thor has the power to damage his power he doesn't have the power to prevent him from reforming. The writer confirmed this.

Like I said picking and choosing, if he was able to reform, he should have done the same way as before the way he did, even though he wanted to kill himself, so yes the power of Thor plus his whole battle in siege contributed to his demise

Originally posted by quanchi112
I'm a superb debater.

Repeating yourself does not makes it true, IMO anyway

Originally posted by eaebiakuya
Because he dont wanted to reform in that time. He was able to get control over Void personality for that moment.

The others time he tried to kill himself, the void personality dont let him do that.

After he was in Sun, the void personality comeback and again tryed to reform him - while other part of him dont wanted that.

This has to be clarified.

if it is a retcon I'm fine with it.

but WHY Void is not there anymore to reform the body?

What made the Void not to be able to take over the body and reform itself?

Sorry but this makes no sense.

How he transmuted objetcs and people ?

Originally posted by eaebiakuya
Sorry but this makes no sense.

How he transmuted objects and people ?

Don't blame if it makes sense or not, Bendis was the one who said this in an interview.

I am bringing this up because apparently Quan like to quote Bendis too much only when it helps his case

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
This has to be clarified.

if it is a retcon I'm fine with it.

but WHY Void is not there anymore to reform the body?

What made the Void not to be able to take over the body and reform itself?

Sentry said the VOID left his head in uncanny avengers. Now what he has in head is "death".

I know you dont talk interviews, but...

Remender:

Originally posted by eaebiakuya
Sentry said the VOID left his head in uncanny avengers. Now what he has in head is "death".

I know you dont talk interviews, but...

Remender:

Cool, why did the Void left? what happened that made Void to leave Bob alone?

My theory? Thor killed the Void.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Don't blame if it makes sense or not, Bendis was the one who said this in an interview.


Ok, but the words dont have any value when we see him using molecule manipulation on panel. This is the Sentry basic power and he used a lot times.

Thor dont killed the VOID.

Here the page:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/101942/3274776-4.jpg

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Actually is the perfect analogy, you just don't like it because it destroys your weak case.
no, it isn't. Most characters or people can't reform from total annihilation. Your analogy applies to Superman because if you rip his head off he dies. He cannot come back under his own power unlike the Void who has done so on panel.



He said he might and he might not. He left it open to interpretation. You lying about it doesn't change anything. We see him do so on panel so since he left it up in the air we go with on panel confirmation.

He is mentally unstable. At no point have I ever denied that. I haven't denied anything. Thats your gimmick.

They can't come back under their own power. The sentry can and has. Have you ever read a comic with regards to the Sentry ?





I don't pick and choose what applies. Thor has the power to destroy his body but not to prevent him reforming. The comic makes it blatantly clear he wanted to die hence the reason he didn't reform on the spot on top of forcing Thor to destroy his body. MM also destroyed him as have others. He can come back at will and the writer confirmed it.
No, he wasn't. Being hit and then not immediately reengaging doesn't mean he was ko'd. Your desperate. Thor was beat up by the ufoes. We next see Sentry easily restrain Thor while at the same time bring down Asgard.


It was all mental guilt since we have seen him completely destroyed before. His body remained intact and at no point did the writer or the arc imply he taxed himself. This isn't Superman vs. Doomsday where they admit he taxed himself against the monster. This is the Sentry.

He didn't want to reform. He wanted to die. Are you incapable of understanding the simple message confirmed by the writer.


Thor wrecked his body and his guilt and admission in wanting to die kept him from reforming.


Irony since that is all you're doing while denying on panel evidence+writer confirmation of the obvious.

Originally posted by eaebiakuya
Ok, but the words dont have any value when we see him using molecule manipulation on panel. This is the Sentry basic power and he used a lot times.

What I want is for Quan to not pick and choose what is said in interviews that help his case.

The panel evidence has more weight than the interview, in Quan's case he want's the interview to have more weight than the panel evidence.

I have no problem with Sentry having Matter manipulation as long as people don't pick and choose between panel evidence and interviews.

Originally posted by eaebiakuya
Thor dont killed the VOID.

Here the page:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/101942/3274776-4.jpg

Thanks for the scan, that will be a retcon, then there is no more point to this discussion.

So in the retcon Thor did not killed the void, for some reason the void did not decided to regrow himself.

It makes less sense tbh, but if that is the canon retcon so be it.

Originally posted by quanchi112


They can't come back under their own power. The sentry can and has. Have you ever read a comic with regards to the Sentry ?






Let us not forget that he can raise people from the dead too. 'Lindy'

Why is there a debate still going on? Remender confirmed that Thor never even killed Sentry to begin with. The reason why Bob didn't reform after Thor killed him was because he wanted to die. When Molecule Man vaporized Bob, he was in panic and did not want to die hence him respawning instantaneously. Lets think logically for a second, what is a more conclusive way to die; with sheer force as Thor did where remnants of Bob's flesh was still present? Or to have every cell in your body get completely disintegrated by molecule man? All of this has been said a million times. Its really beating a dead horse at this point. Its apparent that Sentry gets a lot of hate here but don't let that hate blind you. Take in consideration the characters abilities and read in context. For those who refuse to do so Remender did all the work for you.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Cool, why did the Void left? what happened that made Void to leave Bob alone?

My theory? Thor killed the Void.

Originally posted by dial J for Josh
Why is there a debate still going on? Remender confirmed that Thor never even killed Sentry to begin with. The reason why Bob didn't reform after Thor killed him was because he wanted to die. When Molecule Man vaporized Bob, he was in panic and did not want to die hence him respawning instantaneously. Lets think logically for a second, what is a more conclusive way to die; with sheer force as Thor did where remnants of Bob's flesh was still present? Or to have every cell in your body get completely disintegrated by molecule man? All of this has been said a million times. Its really beating a dead horse at this point. Its apparent that Sentry gets a lot of hate here but don't let that hate blind you. Take in consideration the characters abilities and read in context. For those who refuse to do so Remender did all the work for you.

Respectfully, a retcon can dismiss almost any aspect of debate if we allow it.

For the sake of the thread we're dealing with the events in the context of the story.

Someone can ( AND SHOULD ) retcon the idiocy of Death Sentry being put down by a worm. Remender for the moment has given us the impression that it was beyond Bob's power to come back.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Sentry's powers fluctuate depending on his mental state. Bob was extremely unstable throught SIEGE except in the parts where the Void took over completely.

Bob's internal conflict did in fact weaken the Void long enough for Thor to "Kill" him. all that is pure assumption as the void was in control when Thor killed him

Bob was always unstable one way or the other , the Void never was

The first question's answer is "yes".

No, let me rephrase that. If you think the answer to the first question is "no" then you're either:

a). a moron
b). a Thor fan

Enzeru's post is indisputable.

The fact that the actual writer of the comic calls those who aren't perceptive enough to see the answer basically morons here:



Is just the icing on the cake.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
all that is pure assumption as the void was in control when Thor killed him

Bob was always unstable one way or the other , the Void never was

Thor didn't possess the power to kill Void without Bob's willing it to be so.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Thor didn't possess the power to kill Void without Bob's willing it to be so. This is also confirmed by the writer so no one can deny it.