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Grandmaster Satele Shan, Master Hero of Tython, force powers only... who wins?

SATELE

HoT http://r26.imgfast.net/users/2613/36/14/96/smiles/3177439056.gif

Likely the Hero, despite not having many actual feats.

Tutaminused a ligthsaber while simultaneously matching the physical strength of Darth Malgus decades before her prime

Tanking everything Vitiate threw at them >

Satele does have feats

He was talking about the Hero

Satele vs featless mook.... satele wins

if the Hero is a featless mook, then Satele is nonexistent

Originally posted by Nephthys
Likely the Hero, despite not having many actual feats. ^^^^^^

The Hero doesn't have many offensive Force feats, but there's nothing Satele can throw out that can get through her defenses. And the Hero's raw Force strength should allow her to beat Satele.

Proof?

Satele blasts extremely durable droids apart with a gesture, and crushes them into balls. She blasts blast doors apart casually. All of these showings have been her not trying, Satele actually trying was her forming a neigh impenetrable force shield around her in space, but even that didn't seem to be hard for her

That she's more powerful than Satele? I didn't know that even needed to be proven. That Satele can't get through her defenses? Vitiate couldn't, despite still being capable of tearing down the Dark Temple.

She is able to ragdoll Vitiate after his defeat. Plus slap back Vitiate-possessing-Kira without gesturing. Rip car-sized rocks out of the ceiling. Mind-fvck Tol Braga. And use some unknown stun technique on some troopers.

Satele was able to form a force shield that could be used as a kind of wrecking ball against droids that could tank sniper riffle fire

Yes she was???

yep and we never see Sateles upper limit as of GM Satele all her feats have been her not even trying.

The Hero is more powerful than the Barsen'thor who is more powerful than Satele.

I really don't see how Satele can overpower the Hero when Vitiate couldn't.

Satele herself stated that the Hero was the Jedi's best hope for victory against the Empire. That seems like a clear admission that the Hero's power exceeds Satele's.

True, Jedi are often humble about such things, but when the entire galaxy is at stake I think she would make very sure that the person she believes to be more powerful is indeed that.

Originally posted by chilled monkey
Satele herself stated that the Hero was the Jedi's best hope for victory against the Empire. That seems like a clear admission that the Hero's power exceeds Satele's.


Cause she's supposed to be like 70 years old.
http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100408030521/starwars/images/e/ef/Grand_Master_Satele_Shan2.jpg

That's the original Satele. They made her look young but she's not. Prime Satele wipes the fvcking floor with the Hero if we're talking about a force battle.

Originally posted by chilled monkey
Satele herself stated that the Hero was the Jedi's best hope for victory against the Empire. That seems like a clear admission that the Hero's power exceeds Satele's.

True, Jedi are often humble about such things, but when the entire galaxy is at stake I think she would make very sure that the person she believes to be more powerful is indeed that.

I have seen all those quotes and I feel all of them are taken out of context. none of them say that HoT is the most powerful jedi at the time, all of them are like the "Greatest Hope".

Also Sateles character and position need to be considered when examining that quote. She is the figure head of the Republic, she has to set an example for both the jedi order and the republic no matter what the stakes, even giving up her own son for the sake of her position, she is not in the kind of position to go running around the galaxy like the hero was. Saying he is the greatest hope doesn't mean he is stronger than her, it just means he is capable of doing what she as a person of many responsibilities cannot

Originally posted by Based
Cause she's supposed to be like 70 years old.
http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100408030521/starwars/images/e/ef/Grand_Master_Satele_Shan2.jpg

That's the original Satele. They made her look young but she's not. Prime Satele wipes the fvcking floor with the Hero if we're talking about a force battle.


Implying that Satele will be any better at wiping the floor with the Hero than Vitiate. If Vitiate couldn't TK him Satele sure as hell won't.

Originally posted by WildBantha88
King says to one of his soldiers "your my best warrior." Does that make said soldier better than the king? Think about it brosky

Different context entirely considering Satele said our implying out of the entire Jedi Order he's the strongest.

Originally posted by WildBantha88
King says to one of his soldiers "your my best warrior." Does that make said soldier better than the king? Think about it brosky

Yes, because kings don't fight.

You assume to much, alas I will retreat from the annoying HoT threads and let you guys wank the shit out of him. In time the wanking will end and perhaps he will even get some material that establishes him as a character. Patience is key my good fellows patience is key

I think theres another quote where Satele calls you the best in the order. I saw it on tumblr and didn't bother adding it to my respect thread.

Here's a different one:

"a Jedi without equal" - end of Act 1

"He also forged our greatest weapon against the darkness". -Same conversation.

Someone recognise these two great quotes proving the HoT > Satele.

Is "recognise" a Europe thing?

Originally posted by Nephthys
Someone recognise these two great quotes proving the HoT > Satele.

Recognized.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Is "recognise" a Europe thing?

Yeah, we use s instead of z in a bunch of words. It's annoying when the spellcheck flares up and I'm like "urgh, you stupid american piece of shit."

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Implying that Satele will be any better at wiping the floor with the Hero than Vitiate. If Vitiate couldn't TK him Satele sure as hell won't.

Malgus TK'ed the Hero and Barsenthor at the same time. So did Lord Tagriss and a random newly appointed Dark Council member whose name I forgot.

@ WildBantha88

Are you suggesting that peak Satele could kill Vitiate like HoT did?

Originally posted by Based
Malgus TK'ed the Hero and Barsenthor at the same time. So did Lord Tagriss and a random newly appointed Dark Council member whose name I forgot.
Late game Flashpoints should without a confirmation of which side was actually there, should never be used in a debate, IMO.

I'll concede with Malgus but the Tython and Korriban flashpoints are faction specific and they face different enemies. The Empire does not face off against the Dark Council and the Republic doesn't face the Jedi Council.

When the HOT and Barsenthor go up against a dark council member, they all got TK'ed simultaneously.

Aren't they mutually exclusive though?

Besides, it's impossible to say it was TK. It looked like something different to me.

Calling it anything but TK is a stretch and a half.

Originally posted by WildBantha88
Tutaminused a ligthsaber while simultaneously matching the physical strength of Darth Malgus decades before his prime

Fixed.

Hero ragdolls.

The HoT is superior by Satele's own admission. How is this a question?

I just felt like bringing this back up because WildBantha failed to acknowledge that Satele (arguably) held her own against a massively pre-prime Malgus.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
HoT http://r26.imgfast.net/users/2613/36/14/96/smiles/3177439056.gif