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Revan and Malek at the peak of their respective powers, versus DE Sidious and ROTS Dooku.

Personally I think team 1 takes this, Revan is extremely powerful at neutralizing opposing force powers which would shut down Sidious. Malek is described as being one of the best saber duelist, thus I think he could take dooku.

This would be a good fight if Sidious was alone but with Dooku, they destroy team 1.

Alone Sidious godstomps. With Dooku its a bloodbath

Originally posted by Board Walker
Personally I think team 1 takes this, Revan is extremely powerful at neutralizing opposing force powers which would shut down Sidious. Malek is described as being one of the best saber duelist, thus I think he could take dooku.
lol no
DE Sidious roflstomps.

DE Sidious and Dooku >>> Revan and Malak

This is spite in favour of team 2.

Team 2.

Originally posted by Stigma
lol no
DE Sidious roflstomps.

They would still give him a decent fight. Not that he would ever be in danger.

Team 1 gets obliterated.

Revan solos.

Revan and Malak couldn't take DE Sidious by himself, let alone in tandem with Dooku.

Even if it were RotS Sidious, the team would probably still lose against him solo.

please tell me this thread is a joke

Nope not a joke thread, I seriously thought Redeemed Revan and Star forge Malek could defeat team 2.

Originally posted by Board Walker
Nope not a joke thread, I seriously thought Redeemed Revan and Star forge Malek could defeat team 2.
how?

Well think of it this way, how do you think Dooku and Savage would have done against Sidious? It's not exactly the same, but it's comparable.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Well think of it this way, how do you think Dooku and Savage would have done against Sidious? It's not exactly the same, but it's comparable.
I think Dooku and Savage would've lost, just like Maul and Savage did. Plus this is DE Sidious, and he has Dooku with him.

Originally posted by Board Walker
Nope not a joke thread, I seriously thought Redeemed Revan and Star forge Malek could defeat team 2.

Revan peak wouldn't be able to take anyone from top 5 sith and Malak is weaker than Revan so them against the strongest sith lord ever and his apprentice isnt even a combat.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
I think Dooku and Savage would've lost, just like Maul and Savage did. Plus this is DE Sidious, and he has Dooku with him.
Was talking to the OP. I already agree with you.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Was talking to the OP. I already agree with you.
Oh my bad. I mistook you for the OP I had been chatting with. Made the mistake of not paying attention to the usernames.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
how?


I'm pretty sure you read Ant's thread about Revan's raw power. Well that's how.

I thought Grey Revan (the peak of his power) was in the top tier of most powerful force users, in part due to that he wielded both the light and side dark in unison with one another.

Originally posted by Board Walker
I thought Grey Revan (the peak of his power) was in the top tier of most powerful force users, in part due to that he wielded both the light and side dark in unison with one another.
He's third tier at best.

Another Anime-loving skimp.

I am not claiming this is fact, this is merely just what I thought from reading the books, and threads.

As for your question of how? I tend to view the characters as being very dynamic as well as liquid, and that each character was powerful because their power allowed them to excel in a particular area.

DE sidious for example was not the most powerful in sabers, lightning, telekenisis, or even in direct application of force powers in a duel. However, DE Sidious was the most powerful when it came to utilizing the force on a macro scale, long distance, and in a large scale of application.

Revan was powerful because his force powers were not restricted merely to the light or to the dark, rather he commanded both sides of the force and because of this was able to actively neutralize most opposing force powers. Simultaneously he was also able to be extremely powerful in direct combat due to being able to bolster his physical powers with the force, wield lightning, telekenisis, and actively heal/regenerate himself with the light side.

Revan was able to deploy all the offensive capabilities of the dark side in direct combat with none of their down sides, this was because he could use the light side to actively regenerate any degenerative side effects or absorb opposing dark side offensive powers (lightning)

shut up like omg

Is not the point of a forum where individuals of differing perceptions come to a central point of convergence to discuss their opinions, perceptions, and differing paradigms upon a mutually shared topic/concept? Such as fictional characters.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
I'm pretty sure you read Ant's thread about Revan's raw power. Well that's how.
Even Ant says that Revan is Dooku-tier

Originally posted by realslimshady25
Revan is Marek Tier
Nah he's above that.

Is there a tier list that I could look at to get a more accurate understanding of where starwars characters fall?

Originally posted by Board Walker
Is there a tier list that I could look at to get a more accurate understanding of where starwars characters fall?

Unfortunately not. Its impossible for everyone to agree on the same list so you kinda have to figure it out in time by reading more and more.

the Top Tier is for the most part agreed with.

The Top Tier pretty much consists of The Father, The Son, The Daughter, and Abeloth. Nobody is more powerful than they are and nobody exceeds them in their respective force alignments.

LoL to those who say Revan is not top tier. He only ever lost to a fully powered Vitiate which I consider to be DE Sidious level. Revan is by far Dooku superior.

Originally posted by Kotor3
LoL to those who say Revan is not top tier. He only ever lost to a fully powered Vitiate which I consider to be DE Sidious level. Revan is by far Dooku superior.
Well I was counting the Ones and Abeloth when I said this.

Originally posted by realslimshady25
by marek I meant the guy that was stabbed from behind my anakin he's the traitorous senator
You mean Merrik?

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Well I was counting the Ones and Abeloth when I said this.

Understood. I do not usually see the counted when talking about the different tiers. If you are including them, then I would agree Revan would be in tier three below DE Sidious, Vitiate, and Luke which I would consider to be tier 2.

Originally posted by Kotor3
LoL to those who say Revan is not top tier. He only ever lost to a fully powered Vitiate which I consider to be DE Sidious level. Revan is by far Dooku superior.


Vitiate is not DE Sidious level, not even close. Even ROTS Sidious is more powerful than Vitiate.

No, Revan is not by far Dooku's superior.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Vitiate is not DE Sidious level, not even close. Even ROTS Sidious is more powerful than Vitiate.

No, Revan is not by far Dooku's superior.


Not by far, no, but I think he could beat Dooku 1v1. The weak link is Malak. SF Malak wouldn't be able to hold off either one solo, let alone beat them. Switching out Malak for someone along the lines of Bane, Kun, or Malgus would make it closer, though.

Malgus, Bane, Kun, or Krayt would all do no better than Malak against DE Palpatine solo. They could pressure Dooku but they'd get blitzed and killed by Sidious

Originally posted by carthage
Malgus, Bane, Kun, or Krayt would all do no better than Malak against DE Palpatine solo. They could pressure Dooku but they'd get blitzed and killed by Sidious
You mean like how Maul got blitzed by Sidious?

Originally posted by carthage
Malgus, Bane, Kun, or Krayt would all do no better than Malak against DE Palpatine solo. They could pressure Dooku but they'd get blitzed and killed by Sidious


Aside from Krayt, I would say they could defeat Dooku, not just pressure him.

Originally posted by Kalen Sykes
Aside from Krayt, I would say they could defeat Dooku, not just pressure him.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
You mean like how Maul got blitzed by Sidious?

I said they'd get blitzed by Sidious. They could all kill Bane though

Originally posted by carthage
I said they'd get blitzed by Sidious. They could all kill Bane though
Maul didn't get blitzed by Sidious and neither will these people.

He held back in fighting them. Like he did when he first fought Maul. When he got serious Maul thought he was fighting scores of lightsabers. None of the fighters in question are that different in terms of dueling ability then Maul.

Originally posted by carthage
He held back in fighting them. Like he did when he first fought Maul. When he got serious Maul thought he was fighting scores of lightsabers. None of the fighters in question are that different in terms of dueling ability then Maul.
When he got serious fighting Maul, Maul still lasted almost half a minute.

If this was ROTS Sidious and Dooku vs Reborn Revan and any of the 3 I mentioned (Malgus, Kun, or Bane), then that would be a closer fight, imo.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
When he got serious fighting Maul, Maul still lasted almost half a minute.

Which is not really supported by previous fights Maul had with Sidious. In other fights Sidious completely faded from Maul's senses.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Vitiate is not DE Sidious level, not even close. Even ROTS Sidious is more powerful than Vitiate.

No, Revan is not by far Dooku's superior.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and yours be wrong.

ROTS being more powerful than Vitiate is hilarious. Sidious was so powerful is probably why he ran from Yoda and needed Anakin to save him from Windu.

Dooku would lose to Nyriss who Revan destroyed.

Lol

Originally posted by Kotor3
Everyone is entitled to their opinion and yours be wrong. Sidious was so powerful is probably why he ran from Yoda and needed Anakin to save him from Windu.


Um, what? Sidious didn't need Anakin to save him against Windu. He was manipulating Anakin by pushing Windu just enough to get him to decide to kill Sidious, instead of arrest him. Remember, that was Windu's original plan. Seeing this would convince Anakin that Sidious was right, and the Jedi were trying to take over the Republic he swore to defend. Plus, Anakin would lose his only opportunity to save Padme from death, as he saw it.

Also, Yoda was the one who ran in that fight, not Sidious. If you're referring to that scene in his office, I believe he was just trying to get to a better "battleground" or to a spot where his guards could come in and tip the scales in his favor (he was Sith after all. Noone said he had to fight fair..). Before that, he told Yoda he'd been waiting a long time for that fight.

Originally posted by carthage
Which is not really supported by previous fights Maul had with Sidious. In other fights Sidious completely faded from Maul's senses.
You mean when they fought when Maul was an exhausted trainee?

Careful, DMB...

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Careful, DMB...
what do you mean careful?

I'm telling you to be careful. As His Imperial Majesty's manservant/sex-slave, I shan't tolerate anything that might be construed as a disparaging remark against Him.

Originally posted by Kotor3
Everyone is entitled to their opinion and yours be wrong.

ROTS being more powerful than Vitiate is hilarious. Sidious was so powerful is probably why he ran from Yoda and needed Anakin to save him from Windu.

Dooku would lose to Nyriss who Revan destroyed.


Vitiate was so powerful he got put on his ass twice by Revan. Sidious force choked Dooku from a distance of lightyears, and easily subdued both Maul and Savage at the same time with TK alone. I don't see how Vitiate struggling to kill Revan while enhanced by a dark side nexus compares.

Attempting to run from Yoda means nothing, considering they stalemated in their fight, with Yoda being the one who ended up running. Regardless, Yoda is more powerful than Vitiate. Also, Palpatine pretending to be weak in order to manipulate Anakin doesn't mean he actually needed his help.

More like, Vitiate was so powerful that even just from drawing off his power an Imperial Guardsman almost totally negated Revan's TK. I know you don't think Revan's TK is any more impressive than Dooku's, but even at that level you have to admit that's impressive.

Vitiate was put on his ass when he was caught off-guard and by his own reflected attack.

Didn't Palpatine legitimately lose to Mace, though?

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Didn't Palpatine legitimately lose to Mace, though?


Yes, he was outdueled and Windu was going to take him into custody ("You're under arrest my Lord.", but when Palpatine started shooting lightning at him, Mace changed his mind ("He's too dangerous to be kept alive.". Seeing this reinforced Anakin's opinion that the Jedi were evil and, in his mind, it would cost him Padme.

Originally posted by Nephthys
More like, Vitiate was so powerful that even just from drawing off his power an Imperial Guardsman almost totally negated Revan's TK. I know you don't think Revan's TK is any more impressive than Dooku's, but even at that level you have to admit that's impressive.

Vitiate was put on his ass when he was caught off-guard and by his own reflected attack.


Thought you were ignoring me?

It's impressive; however, do you think Dooku would be unsuccessful in TKing an Imperial Guard, given Dooku's TK feats? Especially if Dooku is on the same nexus, which would enhance him as well?

Originally posted by Kalen Sykes
Um, what? Sidious didn't need Anakin to save him against Windu. He was manipulating Anakin by pushing Windu just enough to get him to decide to kill Sidious, instead of arrest him. Remember, that was Windu's original plan. Seeing this would convince Anakin that Sidious was right, and the Jedi were trying to take over the Republic he swore to defend. Plus, Anakin would lose his only opportunity to save Padme from death, as he saw it.

Also, Yoda was the one who ran in that fight, not Sidious. If you're referring to that scene in his office, I believe he was just trying to get to a better "battleground" or to a spot where his guards could come in and tip the scales in his favor (he was Sith after all. Noone said he had to fight fair..). Before that, he told Yoda he'd been waiting a long time for that fight.
He lost to Windu. This is pure speculation that Windu would not have killed him if Anakin never showed up.

He ran from Yoda before the fight started. You are assumption is unfounded. He knew he could lose to Yoda. Looking at Sidious background, like killing his master while he was sleeping goes with his style of fighting those who he is threaten by.

lol@Sidious knew he would lose to Yoda.

Sidious is above Yoda even in RotS, at best they are equals.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Thought you were ignoring me?

It's impressive; however, do you think Dooku would be unsuccessful in TKing an Imperial Guard, given Dooku's TK feats? Especially if Dooku is on the same nexus, which would enhance him as well?

No, I said I might if you continue picking fights with me over that certain topic but I'm perfectly able to remain calm and continue discussing things with you outside of that. I still value your input, unlike that of certain other posters like carthage. Who I really should just put back on ignore tbh.

I think if he was in the same situation that Revan was, i.e. not enhanced by a nexus, he would be similarly unsuccessful. I don't consider Dooku's unamped feats any better than Revan's and we do have some evidence that Force Users such as Sidious are able to handle him with TK.

Also, would the power loaned to the IG be affected by a nexus?

Originally posted by Nephthys
No, I said I might if you continue picking fights with me over that certain topic but I'm perfectly able to remain calm and continue discussing things with you outside of that. I still value your input, unlike that of certain other posters like carthage. Who I really should just put back on ignore tbh.

I think if he was in the same situation that Revan was, i.e. not enhanced by a nexus, he would be similarly unsuccessful. I don't consider Dooku's unamped feats any better than Revan's and we do have some evidence that Force Users such as Sidious are able to handle him with TK.

Also, would the power loaned to the IG be affected by a nexus?


I don't pick fights with you. All I expect is for you to use the same standard you use to judge Dooku's feats to judge Vitiate's, or at least not get mad when I do.

That's my point Revan wasn't enhanced by a nexus, whereas Vitiate and his guards were. And yes the guards should be amped considering they are drawing from Vitiate's power who is a dark sider. Regardless, even if they weren't amped, a dark side nexus is stated to blunt a light sider's power.

My point is, that Vitiate somewhat struggled to subdue Revan, even though he almost killed him, whereas Sidious has casually gripped and choked Dooku from a vast distance of light years, and could have killed him. I don't see Vitiate pulling off that feat just because Sidious did.

Originally posted by Kotor3
He lost to Windu. This is pure speculation that Windu would not have killed him if Anakin never showed up.

He was out dueled by Windu. I never said anything to the contrary. I was trying to explain that Windu's intent, going to Palpatine's office, was to arrest him, not kill him. Windu telling Palpatine he was under arrest, then deciding he was too dangerous to be kept alive after being hit with a blast of Force lightning he had trouble blocking, reinforces it.


Originally posted by Kotor3
He ran from Yoda before the fight started. You are assumption is unfounded. He knew he could lose to Yoda. Looking at Sidious background, like killing his master while he was sleeping goes with his style of fighting those who he is threaten by.

I know it was an assumption, hence why I said "I believe". I never argued him running, I was pointing out that it could've been a tactical move, instead of him running scared.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Vitiate was so powerful he got put on his ass twice by Revan. Sidious force choked Dooku from a distance of lightyears, and easily subdued both Maul and Savage at the same time with TK alone. I don't see how Vitiate struggling to kill Revan while enhanced by a dark side nexus compares.

Attempting to run from Yoda means nothing, considering they stalemated in their fight, with Yoda being the one who ended up running. Regardless, Yoda is more powerful than Vitiate. Also, Palpatine pretending to be weak in order to manipulate Anakin doesn't mean he actually needed his help.

Vitiate did not struggle with Revan at all and you know this. I disagree that Yoda is more powerful than Vitiate. Pretending to manipulate does change that if Anakin never came he mostly likely would have died.

Originally posted by Kalen Sykes
He was out dueled by Windu. I never said anything to the contrary. I was trying to explain that Windu's intent, going to Palpatine's office, was to arrest him, not kill him. Windu telling Palpatine he was under arrest, then deciding he was too dangerous to be kept alive after being hit with a blast of Force lightning he had trouble blocking, reinforces it.




I know it was an assumption, hence why I said "I believe". I never argued him running, I was pointing out that it could've been a tactical move, instead of him running scared.

Ok. I can't say I agree. Windu initially did not mean to kill Palpatine but that definitely changed after all his comrades died.

Originally posted by Kotor3
Ok. I can't say I agree. Windu initially did not mean to kill Palpatine but that definitely changed after all his comrades died.


I would argue that Windu was still planning on taking him into custody, until Palpatine attacked with lightning (which he struggled to block with his saber), showing Windu he was a far more dangerous threat than even he realized.

Originally posted by Kalen Sykes
I would argue that Windu was still planning on taking him into custody, until Palpatine attacked with lightning (which he struggled to block with his saber), showing Windu he was a far more dangerous threat than even he realized.

It is a sound point that could definitely be possible. My whole point of making my initial statement was that DE Sidious would in no way lost to Windu neither do I see Vitiate.

Vitiate and ROTS Sidious are not equals in my opinion.

Originally posted by Kotor3
It is a sound point that could definitely be possible. My whole point of making my initial statement was that DE Sidious would in no way lost to Windu neither do I see Vitiate.

Vitiate and ROTS Sidious are not equals in my opinion.


Fair enough. I would put Vitiate somewhere between ROTS Sidious and DE Sidious.

Originally posted by Kalen Sykes
Fair enough. I would put Vitiate somewhere between ROTS Sidious and DE Sidious.
Fair enough. I would even except ROTJ version of Sidious. Not ROTS.

Originally posted by Kotor3
Fair enough. I would even except ROTJ version of Sidious. Not ROTS.


ROTJ Sidious is where I would place him, too.

I wouldn't. RotJ Sidious already knows everything that makes DE Sidious the second strongest character in the mythos. His mobility may be lacking, but since Vitiate has zero of that shown anyway, I doubt it matters.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
DE Sidious the second strongest character in the mythos.
No

Originally posted by Emperordmb
No
Besides the Ones and affiliates, but that goes without saying.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Besides the Ones and affiliates,

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
I wouldn't. RotJ Sidious already knows everything that makes DE Sidious the second strongest character in the mythos. His mobility may be lacking, but since Vitiate has zero of that shown anyway, I doubt it matters.


Maybe I missed something, but where is DE Sidious listed as the second strongest character in the mythos? He's the most powerful Sith Lord, sure, but the Father, Son, Daughter, Abeloth, and Luke Skywalker are all above him.

Originally posted by Kalen Sykes
Maybe I missed something, but where is DE Sidious listed as the second strongest character in the mythos? He's the most powerful Sith Lord, sure, but the Father, Son, Daughter, Abeloth, and Luke Skywalker are all above him.
I know, was going from a Luke standard when I typed that. I didn't mean to include the Ones or Abeloth.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
I know, was going from a Luke standard when I typed that. I didn't mean to include the Ones or Abeloth.

Ahh, nevermind then.