John Constantine Vs Thanos

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Board Walker
Each one gets one year of prep

Werewolf582
Thanos rapes

LeonBuco666
Constantine.

For account of him being the luckiest bastard in comics. And beating far superior being than Thanos with far less prep.

And vice versa.

But John would probably prevail.

DarkRaiden
Thanos stomps hard

LeonBuco666
No im shitting with you I dont care who would win.


John has luck on his side
Thanos has Thanos

Prof. T.C McAbe
While Johns prep always achieves what it is supposed to do, or most of the time. Thanos always fails in the end, he loses everything.

John wins.

Golgo13
John, the craftiest man in comics.

DarkSaint85
Pre or post reboot?

Board Walker
does it even matter?

Stoic
Thanos by feats has accomplished far more than John in terms of prep.

If the HOTU, or IG can be used as examples, Thanos wins, and it isn't even competitive.

pym-ftw
Thanos kills him

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by Board Walker
does it even matter?

Preboot has literal PIS on his side.

DarkSaint85
For those interested (yes, a wiki, I know, but it has the relevant comic reference issues if you want to check up):

http://hellblazer.wikia.com/wiki/Synchronicity_Wave_Travelling

Preboot John was always this powerful, for all the people thinking he's suddenly some uber guy. Except post-reboot, a lot of it has been shown to be prep, whereas pre, it was prep and luck (i.e. PIS)

Board Walker
The John in this thread is pre boot with all the advantages of his post boot incarnation. So the best of both worlds

beatboks
Originally posted by Stoic
Thanos by feats has accomplished far more than John in terms of prep.

If the HOTU, or IG can be used as examples, Thanos wins, and it isn't even competitive.

John has acquired some pretty damn powerful artifacts as well. Like a blade that can end creation, another that kills even the immortals like first of the fallen.

LeonBuco666
http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/a523/leonbuco/Keanu-Reeves_zpsepzluxa_edit_1405070696455_zpsyx7xx5bj.jpg

Stoic
Originally posted by beatboks
John has acquired some pretty damn powerful artifacts as well. Like a blade that can end creation, another that kills even the immortals like first of the fallen.

How do these weapons compare to a being above all other beings? When Thanos had the HOTU I'm thinking that he could traverse to a period before Constantine even had the notion of acquiring such a weapon. How could you even begin to compare the two?

DarkSaint85
Can he get the IG? I thought it was lost.

Besides, all this d!ck measuring displays of power is not what Constantine does. Thanos could show up with his entire army, the Black Order etc...

And it would be turned away because John has messed around with Mistress Death and is holding her hostage (like Loki once did), or has done a deal with her so that if Thanos forfeits the match, she will welcome him etc etc.

THAT is how he fights. Not really by raiding his armoury and coming out to fight ina massive display of power.

riv6672
Glad i finally looked in here.
Good to see People really get what JC is about...

Board Walker
The hotu was only universal in its scope of power anyway,not very impressive.

Stoic
Originally posted by Board Walker
The hotu was only universal in its scope of power anyway,not very impressive.

Didn't the HOTU erase everything? As in multiversal in scope? I think that you may be confusing the HOTU with the IG. My point is that through prep, Thanos became the most powerful being to ever appear in a comic book which was above the likes of the LT who happens to be at the same power level across all Universes unless I a mistaken. There is no way that Constantine has ever done anything greater than that, or likely will ever do anything of this scope. This is why Thanos wins.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Can he get the IG? I thought it was lost.

Besides, all this d!ck measuring displays of power is not what Constantine does. Thanos could show up with his entire army, the Black Order etc...

And it would be turned away because John has messed around with Mistress Death and is holding her hostage (like Loki once did), or has done a deal with her so that if Thanos forfeits the match, she will welcome him etc etc.

THAT is how he fights. Not really by raiding his armoury and coming out to fight ina massive display of power.

Yeah. I wasn't turning it into some dick measuring contest, I was comparing the scope of their best feats, and Thanos has him beat. It's as simple as that. This isn't about favoritism, just about on panel evidence that can not be refuted. Thanos is better in every way. Smarter, stronger, immortal, and yes better at scheming.

Reshiram
Originally posted by Stoic
Didn't the HOTU erase everything? As in multiversal in scope? I think that you may be confusing the HOTU with the IG. My point is that through prep, Thanos became the most powerful being to ever appear in a comic book which was above the likes of the LT who happens to be at the same power level across all Universes unless I a mistaken. There is no way that Constantine has ever done anything greater than that, or likely will ever do anything of this scope. This is why Thanos wins.



Yeah. I wasn't turning it into some dick measuring contest, I was comparing the scope of their best feats, and Thanos has him beat. It's as simple as that. This isn't about favoritism, just about on panel evidence that can not be refuted. Thanos is better in every way. Smarter, stronger, immortal, and yes better at scheming. IIRC Adam Warlock was in another universe when Thanos used the HOTU.

Stoic
Originally posted by Reshiram
IIRC Adam Warlock was in another universe when Thanos used the HOTU.

That's fine, and I won't argue with this, but on the same note the Living Tribunal has multiversal power. Is this correct? Well Thanos with the HOTU was greater in power than he was. Could this mean that Thanos spared Warlock while he was in the pocket dimension, as well as sparing Death at the same time? We know that he was more powerful than Death by proxy since he was more powerful than the LT. So you tell me. If a guy is more powerful than a multiversal power house like the LT, what does that make him?

Reflassshh
i don't get why stealing an object means something to this thread.

Stoic
Originally posted by Reflassshh
i don't get why stealing an object means something to this thread.

If you are referring to Thanos' methods of obtaining power, he did so through prep several times, and was successful. No matter if you don't see this as being anything special, it's a clear indication of how crafty he is. It wouldn't be much if this had only happened once, but he has a history of such feats, to the point that he is nearly defined by his plans of conquest.

Mr Master
Originally posted by Stoic

Didn't the HOTU erase everything? As in multiversal in scope?
thumb up

So, concerning "Marvel: The End" ....

Don't get me wrong, one has to really look at the details to realize these extras,
but they are imo what defines the full scope of what Thanos did which was beyond "universal" imo.

It's all about this, after absorbing the LT, but more importantly he erases Eternity/Infinity.

Eternity/Infinity the embodiments of This Universe. (616)
There's also every hierarchal Cosmic, every hero/villain, and the entire race of Celestials.

http://s1d2.turboimagehost.com/t/17771515_HOTI3.jpg

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Yet, Starlin tells us there's still "threats" out there, "others" might threaten Thanos:

So Thanos must absorb more!

http://s1d2.turboimagehost.com/t/17771516_HOTI4.jpg
http://s1d2.turboimagehost.com/t/17771517_HOTI5.jpg

Now who in the heck is Starlin possibly referring to in/from 616?

When 616's essence/power (Eternity/Infinity + the useless extras) is/are all gone?

hm

Considering Starlin didn't take into account the death of 616 = the death of everything,
I can only imagine he must've been referring to "other" Eternities/Infinities? (or rather ... other universeS?)

Cause I'll be damned if someone says dust and gases lol. (oh, Reed was erased so nah)

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Marvunapp: (official Marvel comics sponsored site for Data corrections to Handbook mistakes)

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix3/celestialorderthanos.htm

"Thanos obliterated the Multiverse ... Thanos re-created the Multiverse"

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We also have the actual writer of the story (Jim Starlin) claiming it was the entire Marvel Universe,
he even thought it was a joke when he was told to do this.

(I'll get you the link to the interview)

Mr Master
^^ There's also this my friends.

If Thanos' absorption was limited to the confines of 616, how did he manage to absorb Gamora and Atleza?

http://s1d4.turboimagehost.com/t/17771039_HOTI6.jpg

Warlock survives because of his unique status as a character, explained in the scan. (and many other stories)
If this fact was referenced then it tells us Gamora/Atleza got erased, yet they were all outside 616.

This Warlock details isn't constricted to the HOTI story,
it's Warlock's character always: (here are a few examples below)





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This may not matter much but Thanos performed a feat in an Alternate Universe during the story.

When he visited a reality 2000 years further in the Past from Akhenaten's universe of origin (Reality-4321)
where Thanos re-made reality, so that the Celestial Order never got their prize. (HOTI)



Akhenaten's 4321 Universe is already located in the year 1334 BC.

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One more bit:

Akhenaten's personal realm was a blending of UniverseS:

http://s1d4.turboimagehost.com/t/17771035_HOTI2.jpg

And AK was only tapping the HOTI.

Mindset
Originally posted by Board Walker
The hotu was only universal in its scope of power anyway,not very impressive. Do you realize what you have just done?

Reshiram
Originally posted by Stoic
That's fine, and I won't argue with this, but on the same note the Living Tribunal has multiversal power. Is this correct? Well Thanos with the HOTU was greater in power than he was. Could this mean that Thanos spared Warlock while he was in the pocket dimension, as well as sparing Death at the same time? We know that he was more powerful than Death by proxy since he was more powerful than the LT. So you tell me. If a guy is more powerful than a multiversal power house like the LT, what does that make him? Aye I just thought about that also, how it was able to take down something as powerful as the LT.

Board Walker
The HOTI/U affected only one universe, and it wasn't the 616 universe.

The LT, every cosmic abstract, and every character affected by the HOTI/U was confined to a single universe and the version of that cosmic of that universe.

Stoic
Originally posted by Board Walker
The HOTI/U affected only one universe, and it wasn't the 616 universe.

The LT, every cosmic abstract, and every character affected by the HOTI/U was confined to a single universe and the version of that cosmic of that universe.

Did you read any of what Mr. Master wrote? He has all of the scans needed. What more is there to say? LT is a Multiversal entity, and yet Thanos with the HOTU was able to easily over power him, and the rest of those Abstracts. Again, what more is there to say? Also how does this negate the fact that Thanos has done more with prep than John Constantine? This is why I brought it up. Not to argue semantics on whether it was Universal, or Multiversal. Mr. Master knows far more than I do on the subject of these really powerful characters, and he agreed that it was multiversal in power.

Board Walker
what is more to say? That everything Thanos did was in one single universe, the LT he fought was that universe's LT.

Stoic
Originally posted by Board Walker
what is more to say? That everything Thanos did was in one single universe, the LT he fought was that universe's LT.

Then how is it that he erased more than just 616 continuity? I mean if it were only a universal power, it shouldn't have affected more than 616 correct? Did you take a glance at Mr. Master's input on the subject?

Board Walker
Originally posted by Stoic
Then how is it that he erased more than just 616 continuity? I mean if it were only a universal power, it shouldn't have affected more than 616 correct? Did you take a glance at Mr. Master's input on the subject?

I absorbed everything Mr. Master posted, and it all demonstrates to me that it was within the entirety of a single universe. There were no universes outside of the affected universe, only pockets within the affected universe affected with their connected cosmic deities.

Stoic
Originally posted by Board Walker
I absorbed everything Mr. Master posted, and it all demonstrates to me that it was within the entirety of a single universe. There were no universes outside of the affected universe, only pockets within the affected universe affected with their connected cosmic deities. Originally posted by Mr Master
^^ There's also this my friends.

If Thanos' absorption was limited to the confines of 616, how did he manage to absorb Gamora and Atleza?

http://s1d4.turboimagehost.com/t/17771039_HOTI6.jpg

Warlock survives because of his unique status as a character, explained in the scan. (and many other stories)
If this fact was referenced then it tells us Gamora/Atleza got erased, yet they were all outside 616.

This Warlock details isn't constricted to the HOTI story,
it's Warlock's character always: (here are a few examples below)





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This may not matter much but Thanos performed a feat in an Alternate Universe during the story.

When he visited a reality 2000 years further in the Past from Akhenaten's universe of origin (Reality-4321)
where Thanos re-made reality, so that the Celestial Order never got their prize. (HOTI)



Akhenaten's 4321 Universe is already located in the year 1334 BC.

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One more bit:

Akhenaten's personal realm was a blending of UniverseS:

http://s1d4.turboimagehost.com/t/17771035_HOTI2.jpg

And AK was only tapping the HOTI.

This was particularly interesting

^^ There's also this my friends.

If Thanos' absorption was limited to the confines of 616, how did he manage to absorb Gamora and Atleza?

Mr Master
^^ thumb up

Mr Master
Originally posted by Reshiram

Aye I just thought about that also, how it was able to take down something as powerful as the LT.
yes .. By the time THOTI story was published, the LT was confirmed as the most powerful entity in all MultiverseS!
Originally posted by Galan007

It was confirmed that LT exists in, and acts as the judge of, all multiverseS simultaneously:
http://i.imgur.com/xu1buLd.jpg

and as we know, there are infinite universes, and subsequently, infinite multiverseS within the larger omniverse:
http://i.imgur.com/vjXSeP2.jpg

so if one were so inclined, one could argue that LT was an omniversal power

Mr Master
Originally posted by Board Walker

Thanos ... the LT he fought was that universe's LT.
no expression

Mr Master
Originally posted by Stoic

Did you read any of what Mr. Master wrote? He has all of the scans needed. What more is there to say?

LT is a Multiversal entity, and yet Thanos with the HOTU was able to easily over power him,

and the rest of those Abstracts.
That's primarily what it comes down to, so you're right.

It really doesn't matter what Thanos absorbed in terms of space-time, erasing the LT is the big wow. thumb up

Mr Master
Talking about the LT, has the LT made any appearances lately besides the Starlin joint?

Mr Master
Originally posted by Board Walker

The HOTI/U affected only one universe,

and it wasn't the 616 universe.

Thanos absorbed everything while standing withIN the 616 Universe.

http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/687657_At1.jpg

http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/15766276_Atleza1.jpg

http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/15766277_Atleza2.jpg

"You & Gamora were outside This Reality,
tending Atleza, this Actuality's Cosmic Anchor"

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Atleza is the Cosmic Anchor of the Universe Thanos was standing in.

Now, what Universe does Atleza Anchor?

http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/687656_End2.jpg

Atleza

History: ... A succession of beings
have secured Earth-616's Reality's proper place within the cosmic vortex...

Occupation: Anchor of Earth-616's Reality.

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Thanos 616 and his involvement in Marvel: The End:

THOTI and all that jazz:

http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/687718_thoti.jpg

http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/687719_thoti2.jpg

(official Marvel Handbook - 2006 - Thanos bio)


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Here's Thanos' 2008 bio: (at the bottom)


http://www.marvel.com/universe/Thanos (coming to Handbooks this year)

" ... Known as the Heart of the Universe,
from which all energy physical and metaphysical emanates,
and thereby gained infinite power ...

... Thanos decided that the true sign of his ultimate power,
would be to destroy the universe
and become the One true Supreme Being ... "

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Continues below ...

LeonBuco666
John C wins on account of PIS being on of his main powers. Plus he is badass.

Mr Master
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(Marvel: The End #6)

http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/687726_616.jpg http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/687727_616-0.jpg http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/687728_616-00.jpg


Now .... 616 Thanos, in 616 Thanos' own 616 series,
explaining exactly what happened to him right above:


(Thanos #1)

http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/687729_616-1.jpg

The artist even goes out of his way to make the scenes identical.

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Thanos literally mentions the Heart of the Infinite in his 616 series:


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Thanos #1

http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/687730_Th2.jpg

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Just like Thanos recounted key moments of his 616 experiences during the End:

Marvel: The End #5

http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/687731_th1.jpg

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Mr Master
Marvel The End, confirmed to have been a 616 Thanos involved story!

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Originally posted by Galan007

From Thanos' 2003 mini:

http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/11562172_t0.jpg http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/11562341_t7.jpg

From Thanos' 2006 OHOTMU bio:

http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/11562176_t1.jpg

From Eternity's 2006 OHOTMU bio:

http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/11562181_t3.jpg

From Living Tribunal's 2006 OHOTMU bio:

http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/11562184_t4.jpg

From Inifnity's 2006 OHOTMU bio:

http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/11562187_t5.jpg

From Master Order & Lord Chaos' 2007 OHOTMU bio:

http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/11562179_t2.jpg

From the 2010 Thanos Sourcebook:

http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/11562190_t6.jpg


Everything pertinent is outlined in red.
credits to Galan ...

Mr Master
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This addresses Reality-4321 ... and it's involvement in Marvel The End.

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I think I should explain more thoroughly to avoid confusion and here-say.

That excerpt is from the Marvel Handbooks: Akhenaten bio - 2006.



Reality 4321, is one of 616 Past Timelines, the year 1334:

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4321 was depicted in Marvel: The End in a few panels in issue 1 - 3,
when flashbacks on Akhenaten's history was explained,
also when Doom went there via Time Machine,
and when Thanos stomped him in that Past Timeline.

4321 concerns Akhenaten's origin in specific,

HE came from Reality 4321, not the Arc itself.

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Doom uses his Time Machine to reach the Timeline Aknehaten is from (4321)

(these links below further strengthen this Fact/Truth)










But in plain english as well:

http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/15769009_Past5.jpg

http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/15769010_Past6.jpg

"I depart the Present" (616) "and return to when Aknehaten was but a mere Mortal"

(in reality 4321 which is a Past Timeline of the 616 Reality)


That's right!

http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/15769011_Past7.jpg

"Traveling through Time"

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Here Akhenaten guards his mortal form in Reality 4321 (a Past Timeline of 616)

http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/15769012_Past8.jpg

"Did you believe I would leave my Past unguarded"

"And so History continued unchanged, under the watchful eye of it's dark guardian"

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Here Akhenaten states,
that the Celestial Order,
ventured into different Realities/Timelines to find him and others:



"Through Time and Space they searched for their chosen few"

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If the Celestial Order was crossing Time & Space,

then they were visiting Timelines, which are Realities/Universes of their own.

No wonder Akhenaten's Santuary was a "Blending of RealitieS"

LeonBuco666
PIS >>>>

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