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Vader until Tenebrous has something other than Kenyan running speed and maybe a single TK feat that's lesser than what Vader has demonstrated.

I'm leaning Tenebrous

Either or.

Probably Tenebrous

Seriously, I'm reading his respect thread and Tenebrous has basically nothing to his name. Vader is one of the most powerful Sith ever and has amazing feats.

Originally posted by Nephthys
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Darth Tenebrous is already impressive solely on the fact that with only about fifteen pages of screen time, he already has proven himself to be one of the strongest there is.

He casually shielded himself and Plagueis from a blast that collapsed caves the size of cathedrals, then also casually held up the crashing ceiling to protect his ship.

He could calculate the future with a combination of the Force and mathematics, and was able to predict his own death, as well as Palpatine's appearance, and the fate of the Chosen One, amongst other things.

His Force Lightning was implied to be on par with Plagueis's, and outside of that was able to leave residual energy where it had been cast assumably for hours. It was also strangely red in color, which is very rare--Only being seen during Bane's ritual on Ruusan, with the fallen Luke Skywalker on Hoth, and of course the Son of Mortis--All of which are interestingly extremely powerful displays.

He was also a master of lightsaber combat--implied strongly to be more saber-focused than Plagueis as well as more masterful than his highly skilled disciple, Venamis --And he proved both his skill and endurance when fighting off hundreds of Kursid's finest warriors without applying the Force, and only using non-lethal weapons. I believe this was also without his combat armor equipped.

As you mentioned, Tenebrous is also extremely fast. Plagueis had a hard time keeping up with his master, and he himself was capable of appearing as a faded blur to a droid that was created to track blaster bolts.

He also one of the most intelligent characters in the mythos, and a master of Bith Sciences. He had been the first to directly influence Midichlorians and his own creation--Maxichlorians. He had used his vast knowledge to improve upon advanced ancient Sith Rituals such as that of Essence Transfer, and likely more.

As for obvious facts, Darth Tenebrous was one of the last inheritors of the legacy of Darth Bane's Rule of Two, and paired with his combat orientation was almost certainly one of the line's strongest members. Even if he wasn't, he still was inheritor to a thousand years of Sith knowledge, which is still a massive archive even if a chunk of it was destroyed by Gravid centuries earlier.

For a guy that's only had 15 pages of screen time, and never had a combat showing, Tenebrous has an excellent track record. He's not necessarily superior to Vader, but he's definitely in his playground.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Vader until Tenebrous has something other than Kenyan running speed and maybe a single TK feat that's lesser than what Vader has demonstrated.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Seriously, I'm reading his respect thread and Tenebrous has basically nothing to his name. Vader is one of the most powerful Sith ever and has amazing feats.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
He had used his vast knowledge to improve upon advanced ancient Sith Rituals such as that of Essence Transfer, and likely more.
This part is inaccurate. Tenebrous had no affinity for sorcery, and believed Bith Science to be superior.

Essence transfer was also destroyed by Gravid's twerking.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
This part is inaccurate. Tenebrous had no affinity for sorcery, and believed Bith Science to be superior.

Essence transfer was also destroyed by Gravid's twerking.

He still achieved it, and improved on it, even if it was not by the same means.

And that second part is simply speculation.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
He still achieved it, and improved on it, even if it was not by the same means.

And that second part is simply speculation.
Nah it's mentioned that essence transfer was amongst the lost knowledge.

Tenebrous.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Darth Tenebrous is already impressive solely on the fact that with only about fifteen pages of screen time, he already has proven himself to be one of the strongest there is.

He casually shielded himself and Plagueis from a blast that collapsed caves the size of cathedrals, then also casually held up the crashing ceiling to protect his ship.

He could calculate the future with a combination of the Force and mathematics, and was able to predict his own death, as well as Palpatine's appearance, and the fate of the Chosen One, amongst other things.

His Force Lightning was implied to be on par with Plagueis's, and outside of that was able to leave residual energy where it had been cast assumably for hours. It was also strangely red in color, which is very rare--Only being seen during Bane's ritual on Ruusan, with the fallen Luke Skywalker on Hoth, and of course the Son of Mortis--All of which are interestingly extremely powerful displays.

He was also a master of lightsaber combat--implied strongly to be more saber-focused than Plagueis as well as more masterful than his highly skilled disciple, Venamis --And he proved both his skill and endurance when fighting off hundreds of Kursid's finest warriors without applying the Force, and only using non-lethal weapons. I believe this was also without his combat armor equipped.

As you mentioned, Tenebrous is also extremely fast. Plagueis had a hard time keeping up with his master, and he himself was capable of appearing as a faded blur to a droid that was created to track blaster bolts.

He also one of the most intelligent characters in the mythos, and a master of Bith Sciences. He had been the first to directly influence Midichlorians and his own creation--Maxichlorians. He had used his vast knowledge to improve upon advanced ancient Sith Rituals such as that of Essence Transfer, and likely more.

As for obvious facts, Darth Tenebrous was one of the last inheritors of the legacy of Darth Bane's Rule of Two, and paired with his combat orientation was almost certainly one of the line's strongest members. Even if he wasn't, he still was inheritor to a thousand years of Sith knowledge, which is still a massive archive even if a chunk of it was destroyed by Gravid centuries earlier.

For a guy that's only had 15 pages of screen time, and never had a combat showing, Tenebrous has an excellent track record. He's not necessarily superior to Vader, but he's definitely in his playground.

None of that is particularly impressive. He can run really fast, he blocked a very distant explosion, lmao at his lightning lasting hours which even if true wouldn't be an indication of power, he's implied to be a gifted swordsman and he beat some savages. He isn't in Vader's league.

Originally posted by XSUPREMESKlLLZX
Tenebrous had his own version of Essence Transfer.
That completely failed

Originally posted by Emperordmb
That completely failed

Like Bane's

Wonder how long it's gonna take them to ban you this time Intrepid.

I look forward to seeing your account restricted/deleted.

You are proving him right. http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120714004316/onceuponatime8042/images/0/0f/FACEPALM.gif

Theres no point talking to him considering he's just going to get banned soon.

He'll be back

Except that it has nothing to do with that. Emperor is blatantly dodging the argument.

neither of them succeeded, and Tenebrous's method of transferring his conscience seems to be flawed.

and Bane failed to transfer his consciousness as well as lost to his weaker apprentice.

Not at all, he was able to possess Plagueis without him even realizing it, without his body being destroyed, and allowed him to believe he had free will.

The only reason he failed is because he left Plagueis's body in fear after realizing that the terrible Sith Lord he had foreseen the coming of would be Plagueis's apprentice.

He didn't fail the process, whereas Bane did.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Not at all, he was able to possess Plagueis without him even realizing it, without his body being destroyed, and allowed him to believe he had free will.

The only reason he failed is because he left Plagueis's body in fear after realizing that the terrible Sith Lord he had foreseen the coming of would be Plagueis's apprentice.
This is the part that confuses me. He foresaw Sidious killing Plagueis in his sleep, but was unable to do anything about it?

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Except that it has nothing to do with that. Emperor is blatantly dodging the argument.

I'm discussing the argument right now Carthage. Your insult/accusation lacks any validity.

Admit you were wrong about Tenebrous's failure, and admit Bane's weakness.

Then why was he incapable of just taking over Plagueis's body to prevent his death?

I'm loving the socks being modeled after myself.

Originally posted by Vintage Sniper
Tenebrous possessed Plagueis. Not sure what you're on about.
Then why was he incapable of controlling him?

Couldn't Vader just crush him/her with his TK? Like turn him into a ball?

No.

I thought Vader's TK was pretty much top tier, as in only one or two people in the mythos were superior to him in TK?

lolnope.

And even if that was the case, he wouldn't be able to simply crush anyone slightly under him into a ball.

Originally posted by Board Walker
I thought Vader's TK was pretty much top tier, as in only one or two people in the mythos were superior to him in TK?

Don't know if I'd go that far. Still I'd put him in the upper tier and well beyond Tenebrous.