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Cade Skywalker: Legacy
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Aryn Leneer: Deceived

Battleground: Dune Sea, Tatooine

im not sure, I am leaning towards Cade

I go with Cade. Stronger force abilities, certainly.

Originally posted by Q99
I go with Cade. Stronger force abilities, certainly.
Can you provide a list of his most notable feats and talents?

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Can you provide a list of his most notable feats and talents?

From off the top of my head, these are Cade's more impressive feats:

-Hurling a good sized ship as a projectile at Darth Talon.
-Shielding himself and Deliah Blue from a blast that wiped out Darth Maladi's Laboratory.
-Ragdolling Darth Talon, who has obliterated stone floorings with the Force.
-Resisting Darth Maladi's Force Illusions, and then overwhelming her with his own.
-Killing a powerful, cybernetically enhanced Sith Trooper with a blast of Force Lightning.
-Cutting down dozens of One Sith at various points in time, most notably during his invasion of Utapu.
-Defeating all of Darth Krayt's hands: Darth Talon, Darth Nihl, and Darth Stryfe respectively at least once in lightsaber duels with varying difficulty.
-Dodging blaster bolts from dozens of shooters simultaneously.
-Holding his own against the Reborn Darth Krayt in a lightsaber duel, and stalemating the infected Darth Krayt.
-Being proficient with both a lightsaber, and several types of firearms and explosives picked up during his time as a Bounty Hunter.

And of course, Cade's most prominent ability is his skill with Dark Transfer--An ability similar to Dark Healing. Paired with Shatterpoint, he can use this ability to revive infected or wounded figures from the point of death, and can also effectively destroy anything he's able to grapple with his hands. He can also heal himself, as displayed when he casually healed a hole in his shoulder during his Sith training.

He should be an interesting match for Aryn Leneer, surely.

he doesn't sound to much stronger than Decieved malgus

Here is the surviving an explosion feat.

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Cade was dead-center of a base's self destruct, healing Deliah Blue up to the time of the explosion, and he waltzed out carrying Blue as if it wasn't a big thing.

This is an example of Darth Talon's power. That *was* the Jedi/Sith Temple's nice marble floors a few seconds ago.

This is Darth Krayt eliminating 4 masters in moments. Darth Krayt became even stronger than this by the end of the series, and Cade gave a good lightsaber fight to Krayt's strongest form.




The first is true, but against the vong-infected Krayt he was losing bad, driven onto his knees, and his mom had to save him. Cade grew a lot in strength between the two fights- in large part by being willing to draw on the light side.

He was on the losing end, but he was hardly being overpowered. It very close, and he seemed to have something of a mocking calm throughout the fight while Krayt was pissed.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
He was on the losing end, but he was hardly being overpowered. It very close, and he seemed to have something of a mocking calm throughout the fight while Krayt was pissed.

He was pissing Krayt off, but he was also literally driven to his knees before his mom opened up with a heavy blaster.

Originally posted by WildBantha88
doesn't sound to much stronger than Decieved malgus

That's, y'know, because he's not.

Aryn Leneer isn't either though, so it's all O.K.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
From off the top of my head, these are Cade's more impressive feats:
Thank you for the valuable input. I think you and Q99 should jointly create a respect thread for Cade Skywalker for this forum. Many will benefit from this development.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
-Hurling a good sized ship as a projectile at Darth Talon.
Starships are mostly 'good' sized. You have a picture of this feat?

Leener, at one point, (simultaneously) lifted and hurled six (6) cars of a tram like missiles towards some opponents in a battle.

Undoubtedly Leener packs considerably punch with her telekinetic abilities. I don't think Cade have advantage in this respect.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
-Shielding himself and Deliah Blue from a blast that wiped out Darth Maladi's Laboratory.
Impressive.

I don't recall Leener ever finding herself in this kind of situation, she does have history of participating in war though. However, Leener have demonstrated very good defensive abilities as well. During her battle against Malgus, she was Force-pushed in to heavy structures by the Sith Lord with great intensity but she managed to prevent injuries with her defensive abilities each time.

Therefore, it can asserted with confidence that Cade isn't going to injure Leener in this way in a battle.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
-Ragdolling Darth Talon, who has obliterated stone floorings with the Force.
Both Darth Malgus and Lord Adraas have history of actions such as these.

Unlikely to have an impact on Leener as apparent from her performance against Darth Malgus in this kind of situation.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
-Resisting Darth Maladi's Force Illusions, and then overwhelming her with his own.
Interesting.

I don't recall Leener having to contend with illusion talent of an opponent but she have incredible (Force) sense abilities, she is also proficient in use of Force empathy. Thanks to her proficiency in these talents, she can perceive her surroundings with great clarity. At one point, she augmented her senses to planetary-scale to determine the condition of the masses in Coruscant after the attack from forces of Sith.

I am sure that Leener can cope well with illusion talents if subjected to.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
-Killing a powerful, cybernetically enhanced Sith Trooper with a blast of Force Lightning.
Not a problem for Leener.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
-Cutting down dozens of One Sith at various points in time, most notably during his invasion of Utapu.
Both Leener and Shan were a formidable presence in the battlefields.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
-Defeating all of Darth Krayt's hands: Darth Talon, Darth Nihl, and Darth Stryfe respectively at least once in lightsaber duels with varying difficulty.
Leener is also an extremely strong and capable warrior. At one point, she decided to literally punch a Sith adept to death by engaging him in a hand-to-hand combat. This Sith adept wasn't an ordinary foe.

Heck, Leener have literally disarmed her opponents by pulling their weapons away from their grasp in to her own hands. She have done this to even powerful Force-users. Imagine! It would be a funny sight to watch Leener pull Cade's weapon (lightsaber) from his grasp in to her own and disarm him in this manner. Yes, Leener is certified bad@ss.

In addition to everything else, Leener have the potential to literally blitz even capable warriors, should she try. She can move so damn fast in a burst of speed, have insane speed feats.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
-Dodging blaster bolts from dozens of shooters simultaneously.
Leener have matching performance.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
-Holding his own against the Reborn Darth Krayt in a lightsaber duel, and stalemating the infected Darth Krayt.
Leener proved be toughest match for Darth Malgus, a Sith Lord who have history of defeating Jedi Master Kao Cen Darach, a powerful Jedi (who collapsed two buildings around him in an attempt to crush him beneath the heavy rubble), Jedi Knight Satele Shan and Jedi Master Ven Zallow. In-fact, Darth Malgus was a warrior of such a caliber that even Darth Sidious was impressed by his history and Darth Sidious is EXTREMELY HARD to impress.

I am sure Leener can handle Cade Skywalker.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
-Being proficient with both a lightsaber, and several types of firearms and explosives picked up during his time as a Bounty Hunter.
No idea about Leener's proficiency in use of firearms but she is exceptionally good in lightsaber dueling arts.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
And of course, Cade's most prominent ability is his skill with Dark Transfer--An ability similar to Dark Healing. Paired with Shatterpoint, he can use this ability to revive infected or wounded figures from the point of death, and can also effectively destroy anything he's able to grapple with his hands. He can also heal himself, as displayed when he casually healed a hole in his shoulder during his Sith training.
This is most impressive talent of Cade Skywalker, IMO.

However, let us be realistic about this matter. This talent isn't an insta-kill or magic as often propagated by some fans. It is possible to re-open (fresh) wounds in an opponent with this talent if successfully used on him/her, in this manner, it is possible for the wielder to swiftly subdue an opponent with kind of situation using this talent. Cade pulled this off against Talon, at one point, in a battle. Talon had suffered crippling injuries prior to this event but those wounds had not fully healed during the time of this event. Cade took advantage of this situation and put her out of action.

Unless we are assuming a Leener with history of sustaining crippling injuries or something (which I don't recall), Cade isn't going to be lucky with this talent in this contest. In addition, its a BIG IF, if Cade ever gets the opportunity to use this talent on Leener with success due to enormous power and speed of the latter individual.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
He should be an interesting match for Aryn Leneer, surely.
Indeed, but he is outgunned. Leener is likely to edge him out after a very good fight in majority of the situations. Of-course, I don't dismiss the possibility of victory of Cade in some clashes as well but they would be circumstantial.

No, it was never indicated to only work on fresh wounds. He specifically noted he could use it on Shado Vao at one point. All that's needed is shatterpoints- and everyone has shatterpoints.

And... 'crippling injuries'? No she hadn't, she had bruises and such.



Krayt impressed Luke Skywalker and Darth Caedus... before he was Reborn.



Note this isn't so much 'make you see stuff that isn't there to confuse you' type illusions. This is 'pull out your greatest fears to cripple you' type illusions.

Originally posted by Q99
No, it was never indicated to only work on fresh wounds. He specifically noted he could use it on Shado Vao at one point. All that's needed is shatterpoints- and everyone has shatterpoints.
So Dark Transfer technique's offensive aspect is shatterpoint?

Originally posted by Q99
And... 'crippling injuries'? No she hadn't, she had bruises and such.
Talon had suffered a lightsaber stab prior to her last known confrontation with Cade Skywalker.

Also, if I am not wrong, Cade Skywalker figured out Talen's previous lightsaber wound with Dark Transfer or shatterpoint talent and stabbed her in the same part of the body with his lightsaber?

Originally posted by Q99
Krayt impressed Luke Skywalker and Darth Caedus... before he was Reborn.
Can you provide details?

Darth Sidious noted that Darth Malgus's combat feats have never been duplicated. The former Lord attempted to inspire his apprentice Darth Vader with history of Darth Malgus. Darth Sidious even learned new powers from Darth Malgus.

Originally posted by Q99
Note this isn't so much 'make you see stuff that isn't there to confuse you' type illusions. This is 'pull out your greatest fears to cripple you' type illusions.
Powerful Force-users are typically strong-willed as well. I have yet to see Leener being intimidated by anything. A 50 km drop from the sky to the ground at terminal velocity didn't intimidate her.