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This thread is intended for meaningful discussions about following characters of the mythos, collectively termed as the BIG Ones:-

- Sith Emperor
- Abeloth
- Father
- Daughter
- Son
- Soa: The Infernal One
- World Razer
- Lotek'k (Terror From Beyond)

I also intend to explore the ground realities of the ancient civilizations of Celestials and Rakatans in this thread.

CONCLUSION for The Ones

The Ones are stronger and have superior command of the Force then known mortals but they are not omnipotent, all-powerful beings who can destroy the Universe. They have limits and can be stopped.

If you have yet to realize, the Mortis family's powers are limited on Mortis.

"There, they discover three beings more powerful with the Force than any Jedi have seen before."

CONCLUSION:

The Ones are more powerful than Vitiate.

Originally posted by ShootingNova
This is some of the most atrocious fanwanking I have ever seen.

This. Also:
Sidious not on a list of "the BIG ones"
Yoda not on a list of "the BIG ones"
Luke not on a list of "the BIG ones"

Seems legit.

Originally posted by ShootingNova
I'm sure that Nox, Thanaton, Baras and co. are closer to ''the big ones'' than those three.

Yeh you're probably right.

How on earth could I have forgotten those three

Trololololol.

Originally posted by ares834
"There, they discover three beings more powerful with the Force than any Jedi have seen before."

CONCLUSION:

The Ones are more powerful than Vitiate.
Don't you mean seen from mortals? Obviously they were still bound by a certain number of midichlorians and thus couldn't truly understand Vitate's power.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Trololololol.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Don't you mean seen from mortals? Obviously they were still bound by a certain number of midichlorians and thus couldn't truly understand Vitate's power.

Rofl

I will ignore trolls in this thread. If they will not refrain from trolling, their posts will be reported to Moderators for removal.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
If you have yet to realize, the Mortis family's powers are limited on Mortis.
Evidence?

What is this supposed to prove? Of course they have limits. All beings have limits. But their limits are higher than that of any Force User to ever live, other than the HoT and FP Grey Revan.

Originally posted by Nephthys
What is this supposed to prove? Of course they have limits. All beings have limits. But their limits are higher than that of any Force User to ever live, other than the HoT and FP Grey Revan.

mmm

mhmm

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Evidence?
It is stated in the Mortis trilogy arc, and apart of the plot. The Son wants to leave Mortis, but the Father can't allow him because the galaxy would be doomed. Though I plan on re-watching the Mortis trilogy again today, so I will have the quote later most likely.

http://www.watchcartoononline.com/star-wars-the-clone-wars-season-3-episode-15-overlords
http://www.watchcartoononline.com/star-wars-the-clone-wars-season-3-episode-16-altar-of-mortis
http://www.watchcartoononline.com/star-wars-the-clone-wars-season-3-episode-17-ghosts-of-mortis

Heh, I use that site too.

Wait what? "The barrier surrounding our galaxy?"

Also more evidence that the Rakatans were the greatest civilization ever.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
It is stated in the Mortis trilogy arc, and apart of the plot. The Son wants to leave Mortis, but the Father can't allow him because the galaxy would be doomed. Though I plan on re-watching the Mortis trilogy again today, so I will have the quote later most likely.

http://www.watchcartoononline.com/star-wars-the-clone-wars-season-3-episode-15-overlords
http://www.watchcartoononline.com/star-wars-the-clone-wars-season-3-episode-16-altar-of-mortis
http://www.watchcartoononline.com/star-wars-the-clone-wars-season-3-episode-17-ghosts-of-mortis
Father was concerned that Son would cause trouble in the galaxy at large. This doesn't imply that Son was capable of ripping galaxy or even the universe apart or something.

This is just like how Abeloth was a threat to the galaxy at large, if released from imprisonment.

Son and Daughter have lived outside Mortis at one point in their history and they didn't tear the universe apart. They had disputes back then as well.

I am sorry LeGenD, but you yourself have confirmed you have never even seen the Mortis trilogy in another thread. I don't see the point in trying to explain to you their entire history when you don't even give the effort to learn about them yourself.

The quotes that state Vitiate as the most powerful Force user can easily be in reference to a political and military standpoint. The man was in total control of the Sith Empire.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I am sorry LeGenD, but you yourself have confirmed you have never even seen the Mortis trilogy in another thread. I don't see the point in trying to explain to you their entire history when you don't even give the effort to learn about them yourself.
I will watch it eventually.

However, I am presenting facts. The Ones have lived outside Mortis at one point in their history and had disputes back then as well.

Guess what? Galaxy existed just fine. In-fact, Universe existed just fine.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I am sorry LeGenD, but you yourself have confirmed you have never even seen the Mortis trilogy in another thread. I don't see the point in trying to explain to you their entire history when you don't even give the effort to learn about them yourself.

And this is why he's not allowed to debate the Exile, except you seem to take his arguments on her seriously.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Done with trolling?

Don't be butt-hurt over facts.
What are you talking about, I posted facts, bro.

Originally posted by Nephthys
What is this supposed to prove? Of course they have limits. All beings have limits. But their limits are higher than that of any Force User to ever live, other than the HoT and FP Grey Revan.

This was a joke right?

whats a joke

Originally posted by Nephthys
whats a joke

The HoT and Revan bit.

Your so stupid bro.

- - - - - -
Also, forgot about this feat from Mortis trilogy:
They were able to basically freeze all time sans Anakin and friends when they go to Mortis. Rex confirms the entire event happened in only "a moment.

I'm sorry.

Originally posted by Selenial
The HoT and Revan bit.
That's not a joke.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
What are you talking about, I posted facts, bro.
Your posted misleading garbage, not facts.

You are butt-hurt over the fact that The Ones didn't turn out to be omnipotent. Seriously, grow up. This goes for every other troll as well.

@FreshesSlicet "The immortal illusion. An embodiment so powerful it is believed as a legend. A raw aura of pure energy, balanced in masterful light. An ultimate, omniscient vision. A untrammeled being of perfect. Sheer clarity pierces the heavens as the Force itself coaxes into view. Lord Revan has came."
―The Canonical Sourcebook of Revan and Furry Cats

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
That's not a joke.

Oh I thought that was a joke.


Meh, Karpyshyn disagrees. He replied to my email about Surik by basically saying that the theory is valid, though you can't compare the two because they're so even, and that you can't even compare Revan and Vader as their power levels are so similar.

Therefore, Sidious > Revan and you all lose.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Your posted misleading garbage, not facts.

You are butt-hurt over the fact that The Ones didn't turn out to be omnipotent. Seriously, grow up. This goes for every other troll as well.

Ok he's DEFINITELY trolling.

Can't believe I've taken him seriously before.

Originally posted by Selenial
and that you can't even compare Revan and Vader as their power levels are so similar.
Quote for Revan and Vader that they are similar?

Originally posted by Selenial
Oh I thought that was a joke.

That was a joke.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Your so stupid bro.

- - - - - -
Also, forgot about this feat from Mortis trilogy:
They were able to basically freeze all time sans Anakin and friends when they go to Mortis. Rex confirms the entire event happened in only "a moment.
I am stupid for presenting facts?

This is not a feat of The Ones, they never froze time at any point in history. This information indicates that Mortis Monolith have different ground realities then rest of the galaxy, it is a marvel of technology that mortals do have proper grasp of. The fact that Jedi visited this Monolith, experienced all events, and returned while observing that time had not passed for them in galaxy proper is simply indicative of unparalleled technological capabilities of Celestials. Mortis Monolith is not a planet, it is a technological wonder of the Celestials.

I wasn't talking about you.

I was talking to Selenial thinking that Neph was serious.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Quote for Revan and Vader that they are similar?

http://drewkarpyshyn.com/c/?page_id=63

Scroll, pretty close to the bottom.

I already know of that(I personally went through every page on his website). You said he said something else in the email?

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD Everyone else on this forum
Your You've posted misleading garbage, not facts.

You are butt-hurt over the fact that The Ones Vitiate didn't turn out to be omnipotent. Seriously, grow up. This goes for every other troll as well.

@FreshestSlice

It seems like I have touched a nerve. I have never claimed that Emperor Vitiate is omnipotent. You need to grow up and accept the fact that The Ones are not omnipotent.

They aren't. They are superior to Vitiate though. Accept this, Legend.

Yeh, he said:

"See I even have issues comparing various characters from books and movies to each other, (Refer to my FAQ page to see an example"

And then carried on talking about how Revans feat on the Star Forge wasn't as impressive as most people think, and that you should judge a character by the caliber of enemies they destroyed or the strain they were put under.

Yeah, Drews opinion is that any character can beat anyone else and that it depends on the circumstances or something.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
@FreshestSlice

It seems like I have touched a nerve. I have never claimed that Emperor Vitiate is omnipotent. You need to grow up and accept the fact that The Ones are not omnipotent.
And I never claimed the Ones were omnipotent, but since you went through the kindness of trying to convince me that they weren't I decided to debate the same way you do. Seriously, you debated that Thanaton was one of the most powerful Sith of all time just because the same adjective was used for him and Vitiate in the Encyclopedia.

And of course I'm angry. Why wouldn't I be? It's not like you're somebody I just met a few weeks ago that I know nothing about.

Originally posted by Selenial
Yeh, he said:

"See I even have issues comparing various characters from books and movies to each other, (Refer to my FAQ page to see an example"

And then carried on talking about how Revans feat on the Star Forge wasn't as impressive as most people think, and that you should judge a character by the caliber of enemies they destroyed or the strain they were put under.
Can you pm me a scan of the email?

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Can you pm me a scan of the email?

I'll give you parts of it, cause I can't be bothered to blur out every time he calls me by name etc.

The Father vs The Sith Emperor
http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/7-14-2014/qk8Uhx.gif
http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/7-14-2014/DjSma3.gif

Originally posted by Selenial
I'll give you parts of it, cause I can't be bothered to blur out every time he calls me by name etc.
Chances are there are thousands of people with your first name, but alright.

I know, I just don't like you.

That, and it has my email address.

(He only refers to me by name near the top and bottom, where my email adress' are :/)

I'll upload them to imgur or something, on my phone, not sure I can attach them directly to the forum.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
And I never claimed the Ones were omnipotent, but since you went through the kindness of trying to convince me that they weren't I decided to debate the same way you do. Seriously, you debated that Thanaton was one of the most powerful Sith of all time just because the same adjective was used for them in the Encyclopedia.

And of course I'm angry. Why wouldn't I be? It's not like you're somebody I just met a few weeks ago that I know nothing about.
No, you are actually butt-hurt that I separated facts from myths in this thread for The Ones.

Darth Thanaton is one of the most powerful Sith Lord of all time, he is touted as being supremely powerful and having insurmountable strength. Such magnitude of hype is rare for a character to get in an encyclopedic medium. If you have trouble accept Thanaton's bad@ssry, complain to BioWare, not me.

Your anger is not warranted. I am not making stuff up, simply presenting facts.

Originally posted by Selenial
I'll give you parts of it, cause I can't be bothered to blur out every time he calls me by name etc.

I thought your name was Selenial?

Originally posted by Sinious
I thought your name was Selenial?

Well, some people seem to think I'm Selina Gomez, and I don't want to ruin the illusion

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
No, you are actually butt-hurt that I separated facts from myths in this thread for The Ones.

There are no myths. No one has stated that Ones are omnipotent. No one has stated they are unstoppable. The only one even mentioning those things is you when you pull out that same irritating strawman every time.

Originally posted by Selenial
Well, some people seem to think I'm Selina Gomez, and I don't want to ruin the illusion

Oh wait you were the one who said Bieber's hot but lame right?

Shame.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
No, you are actually butt-hurt that I separated facts from myths in this thread for The Ones.

Bro, calm down. The Ones, much like Vitiate, are not real people. Why would I get angry about them?

This is exactly what I'm talking about.

You just gave out opinions and then started talking about facts? Trust me, I'm laughing more than anything.

http://s13.postimg.org/5jx29xeyr/image.jpg

http://s13.postimg.org/4gcxxyubn/image.jpg

The earlier discussion was in reference to what I actually wanted to know about, Suriks feat on Malachor. Granted I'm going to reply and educate him about how the Nexus would affect her etc.

But yeh.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
The Father vs The Sith Emperor
http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/7-14-2014/qk8Uhx.gif
http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/7-14-2014/DjSma3.gif


http://i62.tinypic.com/2qivhmt.png

Originally posted by Sinious
Oh wait you were the one who said Bieber's hot but lame right?

Shame.

Come on dude, he's hot.

Originally posted by Selenial
http://s13.postimg.org/5jx29xeyr/image.jpg

http://s13.postimg.org/4gcxxyubn/image.jpg

The earlier discussion was in reference to what I actually wanted to know about, Suriks feat on Malachor. Granted I'm going to reply and educate him about how the Nexus would affect her etc.

But yeh.
Ah, so nothing new. I think he actually copied and pasted that from here: http://drewkarpyshyn.com/c/?p=239. Doesn't change anything.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD


http://i62.tinypic.com/2qivhmt.png

Satele - Barely managed it, incredible strength required and had to break it before she failed.

father - Lolling while he does it.

Satele>Vitiate confirmed though.

Originally posted by Nephthys
There are no myths. No one has stated that Ones are omnipotent. No one has stated they are unstoppable. The only one even mentioning those things is you when you pull out that same irritating strawman every time.
I have noticed lot of misconceptions about The Ones, reflected in responses of various members in different threads. This is one of the reasons that I created this thread.

Originally posted by Selenial
http://s13.postimg.org/5jx29xeyr/image.jpg

http://s13.postimg.org/4gcxxyubn/image.jpg

The earlier discussion was in reference to what I actually wanted to know about, Suriks feat on Malachor. Granted I'm going to reply and educate him about how the Nexus would affect her etc.

But yeh.

I think he knows. He described Suriks time of Malachor as like all her cells screaming or something horrid.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Ah, so nothing new. I think he actually copied and pasted that out of one of his blogs. I'll go and find it. Doesn't change anything.

Oh I know.

He's an *******, I expected nothing less, I just wanted his stance on Surik, which was the primary focus of his email.


But see? The author of the damn novel thinks he's comparable to Revan.

http://drewkarpyshyn.com/c/?p=239
Yeah he said the same thing here, lol. ^

Also, who is comparable to Revan?

Originally posted by Nephthys
I think he knows. He described Suriks time of Malachor as like all her cells screaming or something horrid.

Well I still want to discuss it with him.

He is an *******, but I say that in the nicest way like how my best friend's an *******.

But yeh, I want to see how he feels about his portrayal of Surik mainly.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
http://drewkarpyshyn.com/c/?p=239
Yeah he said the same thing here, lol. ^

Also, who is comparable to Revan?

Lol, meant Vader.

Originally posted by Selenial
Lol, meant Vader.
? No one said otherwise. I have always put them rough equals.

Originally posted by Selenial
Come on dude, he's hot.

I know that this vagary of perception of ladies ends at the age of 16. So you'll change too, eventually.

When I was in university my roommates said he was hot too. IIRC he was still only 15 at the time.

It was super creepy.

Originally posted by Sinious
I know that this vagary of perception of ladies ends at the age of 16. So you'll change too, eventually.

No, hatred for his music kicks in at 16.

He's universally hot, I'm married and I'm happy to admit he's hot.

Originally posted by Nephthys
When I was in university my roommates said he was hot too. IIRC he was still only 15 at the time.

It was super creepy.

Pfft, men have been finding Emma Watson hot for ages.

Lorde was voted one of the most beautiful women on the planet at age 15...

Lorde... Christ.

Originally posted by Nephthys
When I was in university my roommates said he was hot too. IIRC he was still only 15 at the time.

It was super creepy.

Wow really? I've never met a person in college that thought he was hot. But then again, I don't ask girls about their thoughts on Justin Bieber.

http://www.watchcartoononline.com/star-wars-the-clone-wars-season-3-episode-15-overlords

Anakin Skywalker: "In that room, my mother came to me, but it was not her! It was something else!"

The Father: "Ah. My son I suspect. We can take many forms. The shapes we embody are merely a reflection of the life-force around us. You carry a great sadness in your heart. My children and I can manipulate the Force like no other, therefore it was necessary to withdraw from the temporal world and live here as anchorites."

Anakin Skywalker: "As a sanctuary?"

The Father: "And a prison. You cannot imagine what pain it is to have such love for your children and realize they could tear the very fabric of our universe"

Anakin Skywalker: "I don't understand."

The Father: "It is only here that I can control them. A family in balance. The light and the dark. Day with night. Destruction, replaced by creation."

Anakin Skywalker: "Then why reveal yourselves to us?"

The Father: "There are some who would like to exploit our power. The Sith are but one. Too much light or dark would be the undoing of life as you understand it. When news reached me that the Chosen One had been found, I needed to see for myself."

Anakin Skywalker: "The Chosen One is a myth."

The Father:"Is it? I should very much like to know. Why don't we find out together? Pass one test and I shall know the truth. Then you and your friends may leave."

Originally posted by Sinious
Wow really? I've never met a person in college that thought he was hot. But then again, I don't ask girls about their thoughts on Justin Bieber.

Dude, he's 20, it's fair game

Originally posted by Selenial
Pfft, men have been finding Emma Watson hot for ages.

Lorde was voted one of the most beautiful women on the planet at age 15...
Lorde? lolno.

Originally posted by Selenial
No, hatred for his music kicks in at 16.

He's universally hot, I'm married and I'm happy to admit he's hot.

I guess we look at the word 'hot' from different angles. If you're talking about physical appearance, I won't argue about it and respect your thoughts and I don't even wanna talk about it.

If charisma and style are to be considered priorities for being hot as much as physical appearance, then he is definitely not hot.


Oh and good thread by the way.

Originally posted by Selenial
I'm married.
I feel so sorry for him.
My prayers will go out to him tonight.

Originally posted by Sinious
I guess we look at the word 'hot' from different angles. If you're talking about physical appearance, I won't argue about it and respect your thoughts and I don't even wanna talk about it.

If charisma and style are to be considered priorities for being hot as much as physical appearance, then he is definitely not hot.


Oh and good thread by the way.

Oh.

Oh hell no.
Purely looks, I don't think he'd survive being in a room with me for any longer than 60 seconds though.

I'd happily go to prison for murder to make sure he's gone for life.

@Selenial

Find another thread to discuss Bieber and irrelevant stuff.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
@Selenial

Find another thread to discuss Bieber and irrelevant stuff.

The title is a little Vague, I assumed Bieber counted as one of the Big Ones

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Satele>Vitiate confirmed though.

I have reported trolls and this thread to Moderators. They will rectify this matter soon.

@Selenial

I don't mind fun, in-fact, I would enjoy having fun-oriented conversations with you. However, I have limited patience for trolling in my threads which are intended for meaningful discussions.

I am advising you to stop.

@ShootingNova

You are done for.

http://www.watchcartoononline.com/star-wars-the-clone-wars-season-3-episode-16-altar-of-mortis
"Mystery on Mortis! Sent to discover the origin of a mysterious distress call, Obi-Wan Kenobi, Anakin Skywalker, and his Padawan Ahsoka Tano are stranded on a distant planet. There, they discover three beings more powerful with the Force than any Jedi have seen before. The Father keeps a fragile balance between his Daughter, who allies with the light side, and the Son, who drifts ever closer to the dark. With his strength failing, the Father asks Anakin to stay and take his place, preserving the balance between light and dark. But after passing a perilous test, Skywalker refuses. Now we find our heroes about to depart for their journey home, or so they think...."

Originally posted by Selenial
Oh.

Oh hell no.
Purely looks, I don't think he'd survive being in a room with me for any longer than 60 seconds though.

I'd happily go to prison for murder to make sure he's gone for life.


Glad to hear that. I'll arrange it.

@ Legend

For the last few days, these big ones are my main focus on SW. I find them really interesting especially the Rakata related ones. Don't mind the trolling and keep posting please. And for your part, I hope you won't use this thread to try to justify Vitiate's similarity to the ones.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
http://www.watchcartoononline.com/star-wars-the-clone-wars-season-3-episode-16-altar-of-mortis
"Mystery on Mortis! Sent to discover the origin of a mysterious distress call, Obi-Wan Kenobi, Anakin Skywalker, and his Padawan Ahsoka Tano are stranded on a distant planet. There, they discover three beings more powerful with the Force than any Jedi have seen before. The Father keeps a fragile balance between his Daughter, who allies with the light side, and the Son, who drifts ever closer to the dark. With his strength failing, the Father asks Anakin to stay and take his place, preserving the balance between light and dark. But after passing a perilous test, Skywalker refuses. Now we find our heroes about to depart for their journey home, or so they think...."

Ant you don't understand. That was stated under the Lucas directive. Disney has thankfully gone a different way and put these characters in a new perspective. Observe:

"A mysterious force draws Anakin, Obi-Wan and Ahsoka to a distant planet, and its inhabitants -- a family of exceptionally powerful Force-wielders -- in an attempt to determine whether Anakin is truly the Chosen One. The patriarch of this family, known only as the Father, has spent ages maintaining the balance between his Daughter, who is strong with the light side of the Force, and his Son, who aligns with the dark. The Father reveals his days are numbered, and he seeks Anakin to take his place as the fulcrum of this balance. A series of tests proves that Anakin is capable of controlling both offspring, as the Father does, but Skywalker refuses to take the Father's place."

Try to understand. I am only stating facts here.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Ant you don't understand. That was stated under the Lucas directive. Disney has thankfully gone a different way and put these characters in a new perspective. Observe:

"A mysterious force draws Anakin, Obi-Wan and Ahsoka to a distant planet, and its inhabitants -- a family of exceptionally powerful Force-wielders -- in an attempt to determine whether Anakin is truly the Chosen One. The patriarch of this family, known only as the Father, has spent ages maintaining the balance between his Daughter, who is strong with the light side of the Force, and his Son, who aligns with the dark. The Father reveals his days are numbered, and he seeks Anakin to take his place as the fulcrum of this balance. A series of tests proves that Anakin is capable of controlling both offspring, as the Father does, but Skywalker refuses to take the Father's place."

Try to understand. I am only stating facts here.
Ah, thank you for explaining. And because of Disney's new perspectives, the non-canon sourcebook not overseen by Disney in any way, shape, or form has a higher canonical value. Of course! It was hard to understand at first but now I got it. Thanks for explaining bae.

I like the perspective that Disney gave Vitiate the best.

#1 The Ones have greater feats than anybody else.
The Ones demonstrated the ability to easily shift their corporeal form. This shows that they are far more adept at altering their bodies with the force than anyone else.

The Ones have demonstrated the ability to be capable of blocking lightsaber blades with their bare hands with almost casual disdain. This is interesting when you compare this to Satele Shan being completely deadlocked by the effort of it and Emperor Vitiate being gravely wounded by a lightsaber to the gut, and otherwise being in danger from lightsaber blades. Point being that nobody has ever been shown capable of blocking lightsaber blades with anywhere near that much ease.

The Son has demonstrated the potency of lightning to be capable of blasting massive holes in mountains. He has also demonstrated enough power with his lightning to overwhelm the Father's defenses, who was again capable of blocking a lightsaber blade with his bare hands with casual disdain. This is a greater potency of lightning than we have seen from anyone else in the entire mythos.

The Son's presence alone causes plantlife to instantly whither, die, and disintegrate, while at the same time generating lethal lightning storms. The Daughter's presence on the other hand caused plantlife to instantly return to a completely barren landscape. This shows that the presence of the Ones can cause more than the presence of anyone else.

The Ones were capable of teleportation without much difficulty, with the Son demonstrating the capability to do this numerous times, most notably when he teleported onto a moving ship to capture Ahsoka.

On that note, the Ones were also capable of concealing their power and presence from others, several times sneaking up on Anakin, Obi-wan, and Ahsoka, most notably Anakin and Obi-wan not sensing the Son on their ship only a few feat away from them when he was capturing Ahsoka.

The Daughter when mortally wounded and dying demonstrated the power to resurrect Ahsoka Tano and purge her body that had literally been infected with the Dark Side. This demonstrates restorative power beyond the likes we've seen in the mythos before.

The Son demonstrated the physical augmentation to be capable of casually blocking Anakin's blows, casually outpacing him, and casually tossing him over his head in melee combat. Given Anakin's already tremendous feats in speed, strength, and skill, the Son's ability to casually outclass him in melee combat is highly impressive.

The Ones have demonstrated great knowledge in their designing of Centerpoint Station, the most powerful superweapon in the Galaxy. They have also seen Anakin's future with great clarity, something that others have only glimpsed into with great confusion and a lack of understanding.

The Son and Daughter were capable of granting force sensitivity to an entire race (the Killiks), giving them unique powers even among force wielders, such as the ability to phase through matter, survive and propel themselves through space with the force, and extract and smelt asteroids with the force for the purpose of building Centerpoint Station. They then telepathically instructed the killiks on how to construct Centerpoint Station. Once this was achieved, the Son and Daughter stripped the power of the force from the entire Killik race. What makes this already extraordinary feat even more impressive, is the fact that they did all this from halfway across the Galaxy. A feat of this magnitude and range has never been achieved by anyone else in the entire mythos.

#2 The Ones have a far longer demonstrated lifespan than anybody else.
Let's look at it this way shall we. The Ones when first appearing in known history around 1,000,000 BBY looked roughly the same. The Father was an old man by this point. Now up for consideration is how time behaves on Mortis. Anakin, Obi-wan, and Ahsoka were on Mortis for a few days, yet they had only been gone from the outside Galaxy for "a moment." If we estimate a moment at a few minutes and roughly estimate a minute to a day time ratio for the outside Galaxy to Mortis, then this suggests that the Father has lived for a billion years after his first appearance as an old man. It took one of them who was already elderly a billion years of time to actually start dying. This suggests that the lifespan of the Ones falls in the billions of years.

Comparatively, Vitiate touts that his "life spans millennia," a description not up to par with billions of years, with the Ones demonstrated lifespan being greater than this by a factor of a million to one. Also up for consideration is that, like Vitiate, they too have several immortality accolades.

I'm merely pointing out that suggesting the Ones' inferiority to others based on the fact that the Father was dying of old age at one point is fallacious when the Ones have a demonstrated lifespan far exceeding anyone else's in the mythos by a factor of one million.

#3 The Ones have greater accolades than anybody else.
The Ones are described in TCW as "three beings more powerful with the Force than any Jedi have seen before."
There are a few misconceptions about this accolade I would love to clear up.

If you look at Legends and Canon as two separate continuities, as they should be looked at, then the Holocron continuity database falls under Legends as well. And the Holocron continuity database states TCW to be T-Canon. Given that no other quote of equal or higher standing exists to contradict this one, it stands as fact. It should be noted that just because a later source is allowed to be published by Lucas does not make it of higher or equal standing. The database was clear that when it comes to sources that aren't G-Canon, only elements originating from Lucas can be considered G-Canon. Lucas allowing the source to exist and be published is not enough to grant it this standing, and as it remains the only quotes that disagree with this quote exist in sources of lower standing with none of them originating from Lucas. Therefore, this quote is absolute and indisputable.


If for whatever reason you choose to still look at Canon and Legends as being part of the same continuity, then Canon still overwrites Legends, and the Ones' accolade I have provided certainly has higher standing than any quote in the EU that may contradict it.

At one point in Apocalypse, Luke also outright states that the Ones are on a level beyond Sidious, and remember that Luke has known and fought DE Sidious.

Then of course, there's the Father's claim that they can "manipulate the force like no other." The argument was made that the Father was merely manipulating Anakin, however given the Ones' feats and other accolades, this statement is all too accurate.



CONCLUSION
Nobody in Star Wars is omnipotent, omniscient, or everlasting, but the Ones of Mortis are as close as it gets. They are truly and definitively the most powerful characters in the Star Wars mythos.

And.....

As kicked.

Gg brah.

OKay, guys, keep the conversations civilised. Stay on topic, keep it relevant or heads will roll...

Originally posted by Nephthys
Yeah, Drews opinion is that any character can beat anyone else and that it depends on the circumstances or something. Its true to be fair. See Sidious' death.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD


http://i62.tinypic.com/2qivhmt.png Yes I remember, that time were Satele Shan turned off Malgus lightsaber like a boss... oh wait.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Yes I remember, that time were Satele Shan turned off Malgus lightsaber like a boss... oh wait.

Also, when you put it into perspective that It was one of Sateles greatest showings...

Well, the son could do it easily. (Did he do it to 4 sabers as well?)
The father is twice as powerful as the son.

So.... Yeh, wasn't even remotely close to the Fathers power levels comparing those feats.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
#1 The Ones have greater feats than anybody else.
The Ones demonstrated the ability to easily shift their corporeal form. This shows that they are far more adept at altering their bodies with the force than anyone else.

The Ones have demonstrated the ability to be capable of blocking lightsaber blades with their bare hands with almost casual disdain. This is interesting when you compare this to Satele Shan being completely deadlocked by the effort of it and Emperor Vitiate being gravely wounded by a lightsaber to the gut, and otherwise being in danger from lightsaber blades. Point being that nobody has ever been shown capable of blocking lightsaber blades with anywhere near that much ease.

The Son has demonstrated the potency of lightning to be capable of blasting massive holes in mountains. He has also demonstrated enough power with his lightning to overwhelm the Father's defenses, who was again capable of blocking a lightsaber blade with his bare hands with casual disdain. This is a greater potency of lightning than we have seen from anyone else in the entire mythos.

The Son's presence alone causes plantlife to instantly whither, die, and disintegrate, while at the same time generating lethal lightning storms. The Daughter's presence on the other hand caused plantlife to instantly return to a completely barren landscape. This shows that the presence of the Ones can cause more than the presence of anyone else.

The Ones were capable of teleportation without much difficulty, with the Son demonstrating the capability to do this numerous times, most notably when he teleported onto a moving ship to capture Ahsoka.

On that note, the Ones were also capable of concealing their power and presence from others, several times sneaking up on Anakin, Obi-wan, and Ahsoka, most notably Anakin and Obi-wan not sensing the Son on their ship only a few feat away from them when he was capturing Ahsoka.

The Daughter when mortally wounded and dying demonstrated the power to resurrect Ahsoka Tano and purge her body that had literally been infected with the Dark Side. This demonstrates restorative power beyond the likes we've seen in the mythos before.

The Son demonstrated the physical augmentation to be capable of casually blocking Anakin's blows, casually outpacing him, and casually tossing him over his head in melee combat. Given Anakin's already tremendous feats in speed, strength, and skill, the Son's ability to casually outclass him in melee combat is highly impressive.

The Ones have demonstrated great knowledge in their designing of Centerpoint Station, the most powerful superweapon in the Galaxy. They have also seen Anakin's future with great clarity, something that others have only glimpsed into with great confusion and a lack of understanding.

The Son and Daughter were capable of granting force sensitivity to an entire race (the Killiks), giving them unique powers even among force wielders, such as the ability to phase through matter, survive and propel themselves through space with the force, and extract and smelt asteroids with the force for the purpose of building Centerpoint Station. They then telepathically instructed the killiks on how to construct Centerpoint Station. Once this was achieved, the Son and Daughter stripped the power of the force from the entire Killik race. What makes this already extraordinary feat even more impressive, is the fact that they did all this from halfway across the Galaxy. A feat of this magnitude and range has never been achieved by anyone else in the entire mythos.

#2 The Ones have a far longer demonstrated lifespan than anybody else.
Let's look at it this way shall we. The Ones when first appearing in known history around 1,000,000 BBY looked roughly the same. The Father was an old man by this point. Now up for consideration is how time behaves on Mortis. Anakin, Obi-wan, and Ahsoka were on Mortis for a few days, yet they had only been gone from the outside Galaxy for "a moment." If we estimate a moment at a few minutes and roughly estimate a minute to a day time ratio for the outside Galaxy to Mortis, then this suggests that the Father has lived for a billion years after his first appearance as an old man. It took one of them who was already elderly a billion years of time to actually start dying. This suggests that the lifespan of the Ones falls in the billions of years.

Comparatively, Vitiate touts that his "life spans millennia," a description not up to par with billions of years, with the Ones demonstrated lifespan being greater than this by a factor of a million to one. Also up for consideration is that, like Vitiate, they too have several immortality accolades.

I'm merely pointing out that suggesting the Ones' inferiority to others based on the fact that the Father was dying of old age at one point is fallacious when the Ones have a demonstrated lifespan far exceeding anyone else's in the mythos by a factor of one million.

#3 The Ones have greater accolades than anybody else.
The Ones are described in TCW as "three beings more powerful with the Force than any Jedi have seen before."
There are a few misconceptions about this accolade I would love to clear up.

If you look at Legends and Canon as two separate continuities, as they should be looked at, then the Holocron continuity database falls under Legends as well. And the Holocron continuity database states TCW to be T-Canon. Given that no other quote of equal or higher standing exists to contradict this one, it stands as fact. It should be noted that just because a later source is allowed to be published by Lucas does not make it of higher or equal standing. The database was clear that when it comes to sources that aren't G-Canon, only elements originating from Lucas can be considered G-Canon. Lucas allowing the source to exist and be published is not enough to grant it this standing, and as it remains the only quotes that disagree with this quote exist in sources of lower standing with none of them originating from Lucas. Therefore, this quote is absolute and indisputable.


If for whatever reason you choose to still look at Canon and Legends as being part of the same continuity, then Canon still overwrites Legends, and the Ones' accolade I have provided certainly has higher standing than any quote in the EU that may contradict it.

At one point in Apocalypse, Luke also outright states that the Ones are on a level beyond Sidious, and remember that Luke has known and fought DE Sidious.

Then of course, there's the Father's claim that they can "manipulate the force like no other." The argument was made that the Father was merely manipulating Anakin, however given the Ones' feats and other accolades, this statement is all too accurate.



CONCLUSION
Nobody in Star Wars is omnipotent, omniscient, or everlasting, but the Ones of Mortis are as close as it gets. They are truly and definitively the most powerful characters in the Star Wars mythos.

This

Originally posted by Emperordmb
#1 The Ones have greater feats than anybody else.
No

- Darth Nihilus inflicted destruction on planetary scale at one point with his greatest powers.

- Darth Sidious demonstrated the potential to level entire cities and destroy entire fleets with his Force Storm (Wormhole) powers. In-fact, Luke Skywalker boasted that this power can destroy worlds.

- Sith Emperor corrupted the environment of an entire planet (i.e. Dromund Kaas) with his dark side practices.

- Luke Skywalker singlehandedly managed to outgun combined might of many Doval Basins in manipulation of an artificially created blackhole in a struggle between the two sides for the said purpose.

- Lord Fulminiss once destroyed an entire city with his powers.

I am sure that I can find more impressive stuff if I dig deeper.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
The Ones demonstrated the ability to easily shift their corporeal form. This shows that they are far more adept at altering their bodies with the force than anyone else.
You forgot about Dread Masters.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
The Ones have demonstrated the ability to be capable of blocking lightsaber blades with their bare hands with almost casual disdain. This is interesting when you compare this to Satele Shan being completely deadlocked by the effort of it and Emperor Vitiate being gravely wounded by a lightsaber to the gut, and otherwise being in danger from lightsaber blades. Point being that nobody has ever been shown capable of blocking lightsaber blades with anywhere near that much ease.
You have a point here.

Sith Emperor did not attempt to block the lightsaber of his opponent with bare hands.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
The Son has demonstrated the potency of lightning to be capable of blasting massive holes in mountains. He has also demonstrated enough power with his lightning to overwhelm the Father's defenses, who was again capable of blocking a lightsaber blade with his bare hands with casual disdain. This is a greater potency of lightning than we have seen from anyone else in the entire mythos.
Provide evidence.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
The Son's presence alone causes plantlife to instantly whither, die, and disintegrate, while at the same time generating lethal lightning storms. The Daughter's presence on the other hand caused plantlife to instantly return to a completely barren landscape. This shows that the presence of the Ones can cause more than the presence of anyone else.
I am not sure if these actions were performed with mere presence, Son and Daughter could be willfully performing these actions.

Sith Emperor corrupted the environment of an entire planet (i.e. Dromund Kaas) with his dark side practices, I am sure that this development had an impact on conditions of flora and fauna in this planet.

Jedi and Sith have demonstrated the capability to conjure storms, fog, floods, earthquakes and influence flora and fauna with esoteric talents and Sith magic throughout history.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
The Ones were capable of teleportation without much difficulty, with the Son demonstrating the capability to do this numerous times, most notably when he teleported onto a moving ship to capture Ahsoka.
Mother Talzin and Darth Jadus have also demonstrated this talent and were excellent with it.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
On that note, the Ones were also capable of concealing their power and presence from others, several times sneaking up on Anakin, Obi-wan, and Ahsoka, most notably Anakin and Obi-wan not sensing the Son on their ship only a few feat away from them when he was capturing Ahsoka.
Several Force-users have demonstrated proficiency in this talent.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
The Daughter when mortally wounded and dying demonstrated the power to resurrect Ahsoka Tano and purge her body that had literally been infected with the Dark Side. This demonstrates restorative power beyond the likes we've seen in the mythos before.
Power to revive dead is not exclusive to The Ones. One of the Dread Masters have demonstrated this talent. In addition, it is pointed out in Star Wars: Darth Plagueis that powerful sorcerers are capable of performing this feat.

Here:

Some commentators claimed that the ability to survive death had been limited to those with a talent for sorcery and alchemy, and that the use of such practices actually predated the arrival of the Dark Jedi exiles on Korriban. But sorcery had been employed less to extend life than to create illusions, fashion beasts, and resurrect the dead. Powerful adepts were said to have been able to saturate the atmosphere of planets with dark side energy, compel stars to explode, or induce paralysis in crowds, as Exar Kun apparently did to select members of the Republic Senate.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
The Son demonstrated the physical augmentation to be capable of casually blocking Anakin's blows, casually outpacing him, and casually tossing him over his head in melee combat. Given Anakin's already tremendous feats in speed, strength, and skill, the Son's ability to casually outclass him in melee combat is highly impressive.
I am confident that some Jedi and Sith have the necessary speed, strength and martial prowess to utterly dominate Anakin Skywalker in a battle.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
The Ones have demonstrated great knowledge in their designing of Centerpoint Station, the most powerful superweapon in the Galaxy. They have also seen Anakin's future with great clarity, something that others have only glimpsed into with great confusion and a lack of understanding.
The Ones aren't exclusive at foreseeing future events with great accuracy. Revan, Darth Traya and Lord Scourge are notable examples. In-fact, Voss species is very popular for this talent.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
The Son and Daughter were capable of granting force sensitivity to an entire race (the Killiks), giving them unique powers even among force wielders, such as the ability to phase through matter, survive and propel themselves through space with the force, and extract and smelt asteroids with the force for the purpose of building Centerpoint Station. They then telepathically instructed the killiks on how to construct Centerpoint Station. Once this was achieved, the Son and Daughter stripped the power of the force from the entire Killik race. What makes this already extraordinary feat even more impressive, is the fact that they did all this from halfway across the Galaxy. A feat of this magnitude and range has never been achieved by anyone else in the entire mythos.
I am not sure about this, many killiks were Force-sensitive since birth.

What actually happened is that Son and Daughter joined the hive mind and augmented the powers of Killiks to construct the Centerpoint station. This sounds like BM or similar ability.

Correct me, if I am wrong about this matter. If you are correct, then this is certainly a unique display of power from The Ones and very impressive.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
#2 The Ones have a far longer demonstrated lifespan than anybody else.
Let's look at it this way shall we. The Ones when first appearing in known history around 1,000,000 BBY looked roughly the same. The Father was an old man by this point. Now up for consideration is how time behaves on Mortis. Anakin, Obi-wan, and Ahsoka were on Mortis for a few days, yet they had only been gone from the outside Galaxy for "a moment." If we estimate a moment at a few minutes and roughly estimate a minute to a day time ratio for the outside Galaxy to Mortis, then this suggests that the Father has lived for a billion years after his first appearance as an old man. It took one of them who was already elderly a billion years of time to actually start dying. This suggests that the lifespan of the Ones falls in the billions of years.

Comparatively, Vitiate touts that his "life spans millennia," a description not up to par with billions of years, with the Ones demonstrated lifespan being greater than this by a factor of a million to one. Also up for consideration is that, like Vitiate, they too have several immortality accolades.

I'm merely pointing out that suggesting the Ones' inferiority to others based on the fact that the Father was dying of old age at one point is fallacious when the Ones have a demonstrated lifespan far exceeding anyone else's in the mythos by a factor of one million.
You are utterly misinformed about this matter, I am afraid.

The Ones seemingly achieved corporeal immortality but they could perish as apparent from decline of Father with passage of time. I am not sure why Father was in decline.

Anyways, The Ones lasted so long because of circumstances and not just their virtual immortality. They haven't had been in conflicts for a long time and they weren't in danger of being vanquished by external forces.

Comparing The Ones and Sith Emperor in life-span aspect is really idiotic. Sith Emperor also achieved corporeal immorality and could have limitless life-span but he got in to conflicts and his fate is unknown at the moment.

Abeloth also rivals The Ones in lifespan of existence but once she got in to a conflict, she didn't even last some years.

So do not confuse circumstances with capability.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
#3 The Ones have greater accolades than anybody else.
The Ones are described in TCW as "three beings more powerful with the Force than any Jedi have seen before."
There are a few misconceptions about this accolade I would love to clear up.

If you look at Legends and Canon as two separate continuities, as they should be looked at, then the Holocron continuity database falls under Legends as well. And the Holocron continuity database states TCW to be T-Canon. Given that no other quote of equal or higher standing exists to contradict this one, it stands as fact. It should be noted that just because a later source is allowed to be published by Lucas does not make it of higher or equal standing. The database was clear that when it comes to sources that aren't G-Canon, only elements originating from Lucas can be considered G-Canon. Lucas allowing the source to exist and be published is not enough to grant it this standing, and as it remains the only quotes that disagree with this quote exist in sources of lower standing with none of them originating from Lucas. Therefore, this quote is absolute and indisputable.
Legends continuity no longer have an hierarchy as I pointed out to you earlier in another thread. Hierarchy system of canon have been abolished by Disney. Now their are two continuities only; Legends and Canon. Nothing else.

Formerly G-canon and T-canon content have been reclassified as Canon by Disney. While formerly C-canon content have been reclassified as Legends by Disney. Simple.

Legends continuity differs from Canon continuity in ground realities and coverage of content. Events of Canon continuity are facts in Legends continuity as well but Legends continuity is in conflict with Canon continuity in regard to hype factor of characters. According to Legends, Sith Emperor is the most powerful Force-user ever. Period.

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In-fact, Lucasfilm thanked BioWare for this effort (Sourcebook).

You people need to educate yourself about ground realities of publication of content of Star Wars.

Lucasfilm and LucasArts are well aware of this sourcebook and they approved its publication.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
If for whatever reason you choose to still look at Canon and Legends as being part of the same continuity, then Canon still overwrites Legends, and the Ones' accolade I have provided certainly has higher standing than any quote in the EU that may contradict it.
This can be the case if Disney promotes The Ones as powerful Force-users ever, they have not.

Star Wars content is continuously evolving and new ground realities emerge with passage of time. This is why certain elements of the content need to be constantly re-visited.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
At one point in Apocalypse, Luke also outright states that the Ones are on a level beyond Sidious, and remember that Luke has known and fought DE Sidious.
Provide evidence.

I have this book and I did not come across this declaration.

Do not make-up stuff or you will loose credibility very soon.

If you are presenting a new information, make a habit of providing evidence for it.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Then of course, there's the Father's claim that they can "manipulate the force like no other." The argument was made that the Father was merely manipulating Anakin, however given the Ones' feats and other accolades, this statement is all too accurate.
Such kind of mentality is common among Sith.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
CONCLUSION
Nobody in Star Wars is omnipotent, omniscient, or everlasting, but the Ones of Mortis are as close as it gets. They are truly and definitively the most powerful characters in the Star Wars mythos.
The Ones can be most powerful Force-users ever but they are not omnipotent and they do have rivals.

Ever heard of Bedlam spirits?

I don't have time for this ATM.

Plane trip today.

LeGenD, I don't understand how you are debating against The Ones when you never even seen the trilogy.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
LeGenD, I don't understand how you are debating against The Ones when you never even seen the trilogy.

He debates Surik when he never played the game.

Get used to it.

Ah, so he really hasn't played it then. That explains a lot.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
LeGenD, I don't understand how you are debating against The Ones when you never even seen the trilogy.
I have ample knowledge of how things work. I will watch these videos and I am sure that I will find it easier to dispose off propaganda surrounding The Ones afterwards.

Originally posted by Selenial
He debates Surik when he never played the game.

Get used to it.
I don't need to play the game to understand the capabilities of Meetra Surik. Their is so much information available, hard to ignore.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Ah, so he really hasn't played it then. That explains a lot.
It is funny that I still have better understanding of Force Drain then you have. Check my response in other thread.

In the nutshell, you don't need to play a game to understand everything better. Research is the key.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD


It is funny that I still have better understanding of Force Drain then you have. Check my response in other thread.

In the nutshell, you don't need to play a game to understand everything better. Research is the key.
Here's what I read: "My opinion >Traya's word" Despite all the evidence to the contrary, you're stuck in the mindset that Drain Force and Drain Life are not the same thing, despite the in mythos support saying otherwise. Drain Force and Force Drain are not the same thing. And nothing supports that is.

I'm on an iPhone out of town, so I can't make as detailed a response as I would like to. Being out of town, I also have no access to Appocalypse or quotes from it, so keep that in mind.

What is important to consider feat wise, is that while you may challenge all of these feats with ones in similar areas that rival these, the ones do possess all of these feats unlike the people you are trying to prove their rivals in certain areas.

As far as the dread masters ability to shift their corporeal forms, correct me if I'm wrong, but did they not just change their physical size, while the Ones transformed their entire forms into something else entirely?

Yep, lightsabers are seemingly a danger to everybody else in a straight fight that the Ones have bypassed.

I do not have Apocalypse with me on vacation, so I cannot give you a quote for the mountain thing, but the Son's lightning overwhelming the defenses of one who has blocked a lightsaber blade with his hands with casual disdain is self-evident from the TCW episodes.

Whether or not this was a passive or active ability is up for debate. It definitely seems more passive to me, but either way it still outshines the examples you have brought up. Vitiate caused lightning storms through rituals, which is not as impressive as doing it passively or through active will. And the examples you provided me of Jedi and Sith doing similar things were not quite as extreme as instantaneously shifting an extreme environment to its polar opposite, and many of these were either done through ritual or not overly impressive (ie fog).

Talzin hasn't teleported as instantaneously as the Ones, and Jadus has not demonstrated as much range with this power, or the ability to do something like teleport onto a moving ship.

Eh the stealth one is quite common, but the Son's ability to not be sensed at all by a third Jedi ten feet away from him when his companions are already in panic, right after teleport in is arguably one of the most impressive displays of this power.

Provide me an example if I'm wrong, but this necromancy from ancient Sith sorcerers seems to be limited to summoning spirits and reanimating corpses. In any case, that is not the only impressive thing about that feat. The Daughter also purge the Dark Side from Ahsoka's body after she had been literally infected with it.

Name one person who could beat Anakin that quickly in melee combat with thy much casual disdain.

The clarity and breadth of their foresight is still highly impressive. Admittedly this was not my strongest point, I was merely demonstrating their knowledge.

I don't have access to Apocalypse right now, but even if it is as you say, the Ones were still capable of augmenting an entire race to a very great extent from halfway accross the Galaxy on a planet meant to cut them off from the rest of the Galaxy. So even if you are correct, this is still a very tremendous feat in both magnitude and range at the same time.

You completely missed the point of the lifespan thing. I was pointing out that the Father's dying after billions of years is not a mark of inferiority to anybody else considering that the Ones have lived longer than anyone else in the mythos by a factor of one million. Vitiate's lifespan has not been tested nearly to the extent that the Ones' have, and they too are considered corporeally immortal. I'm not trying to discredit Vitiate here, I'm merely saying that Using the Ones' lifespans to discredit them in comparison with other characters is almost axiomatically fallacious.

Disney did away with th hierarchy in existing canon, which does not include Legends. There is nothing indicating that the hierarchy no longer exists in Legends. In fact the source that established this hierarchy technically falls under Legends now, so it is fully applicable in the Legends continuity.

As I have previously mentioned, just because a source is added to the lore does not allow it to overwrite other sources of higher standing. Only elements or statements originating from Lucas hold this standing.

Just because a new statement is made doesn't mean older statements are invalid when they are not contradicted by newer statements. In any case, if you choose to consider Canon and Legends part of the same continuity, then as Canon, TCW has a higher standing then SWTOR incontestably. If you look at them as separate, then new statements by Disney have absolutely no bearing on the Legends continuity.

Again, I lack access to Apocalypse right now, but IIRC this quote is from the convo where Luke explains the story of Abeloth and the Ones to everyone else. In any case it'll take more than one misrecalled quote for you to successfully destroy my credibility if that's what you want to stoop to.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Here's what I read: "My opinion >Traya's word" Despite all the evidence to the contrary, you're stuck in the mindset that Drain Force and Drain Life are not the same thing, despite the in mythos support saying otherwise. Drain Force and Force Drain are not the same thing. And nothing supports that is.
This is not the right thread for this debate. I will respond to this in the relevant thread.

Conclusion: The Ones are not invincible but they are immortal, they do possess the power to influence the balance of the Force itself and they do likely possess the power to tear the fabric of spacetime.

To disregard the wealth of evidence that suggests this as lies and legends is to act in-genuinely and with a biased agenda. Which Legend is clearly guilty of.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
No, you are actually butt-hurt that I separated facts from myths in this thread for The Ones.

Darth Thanaton is one of the most powerful Sith Lord of all time, he is touted as being supremely powerful and having insurmountable strength. Such magnitude of hype is rare for a character to get in an encyclopedic medium. If you have trouble accept Thanaton's bad@ssry, complain to BioWare, not me.

Your anger is not warranted. I am not making stuff up, simply presenting facts. Darth Thanaton has never been touted as one of the most powerful Sith Lords of all time, your talking out of your ass.

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Originally posted by Beniboybling
been around for peons.

lol

Yes, but Vitiate beat five Jedi and blew up a building.

Well he has solo'd two Dark Councils.

I'm never going to debate that Vitiate isn't impressive, that much is obvious, but to say that he is on the Ones level is lulzworthy.

Then again he also blew up a robot, so he's closing the gap.

Legends continuity no longer have an hierarchy as I pointed out to you earlier in another thread. Hierarchy system of canon have been abolished by Disney. Now their are two continuities only; Legends and Canon. Nothing else.

Formerly G-canon and T-canon content have been reclassified as Canon by Disney. While formerly C-canon content have been reclassified as Legends by Disney. Simple.

Legends continuity differs from Canon continuity in ground realities and coverage of content. Events of Canon continuity are facts in Legends continuity as well but Legends continuity is in conflict with Canon continuity in regard to hype factor of characters. According to Legends, Sith Emperor is the most powerful Force-user ever. Period.

Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia could not be published without blessings and support of Lucas Ltd itself as apparent from this disclosure:

This book would not have been possible without the incredible work, creativity, and input of many talented people. The authors would like to thank Alexander Freed, Daniel Erickson, John Posavatz, James Ohlen, Rich Vogel, Ray Muzyka, and Greg Zeschuk of BioWare; the writers of Star Wars: The Old Republic; the entire team at BioWare Austin; Electronic Arts; Lucasfilm and LucasArts' and Helen Murray and her editorial support and design teams at Dorling Kindersley for their guidance, support, and vision.

In-fact, Lucasfilm thanked BioWare for this effort (Sourcebook).

You people need to educate yourself about ground realities of publication of content of Star Wars.

Lucasfilm and LucasArts are well aware of this sourcebook and they approved its publication.You need to educate yourself on how not to be a condescending jackass, seriously.

But anyway, on topic. G-Canon and T-Canon have been merged into simply Canon, but just like the previous canon is absolute and indisputable. So the OP is correct the claim that the Father is more powerful than anyone the Jedi have witnessed is indisputably canon and overrides Legends continuity.

Legends is not exclusive from Canon, it is bound by canon and remains answerable to canon, the reverse is not the case. So one cannot claim that Legends continuity has an agenda on anything that involves omitting/ignoring canon - again they are not mutually exclusive.

Given that you seem to except that, I fail to see your point.

P.S. Legends continuity also includes various statements that tout Sidious to be the most powerful dark sider ever so that is not a fact. In the absence of a retcon you have no grounds to dismiss these claims.

Originally posted by Nephthys
lol

Originally posted by Beniboybling
You need to educate yourself on how not to be a condescending jackass, seriously.

But anyway, on topic. G-Canon and T-Canon have been merged into simply Canon, but just like the previous canon is absolute and indisputable. So the OP is correct the claim that the Father is more powerful than anyone the Jedi have witnessed is indisputably canon and overrides Legends continuity.

Legends is not exclusive from Canon, it is bound by canon and remains answerable to canon, the reverse is not the case. So one cannot claim that Legends continuity has an agenda on anything that involves omitting/ignoring canon - again they are not mutually exclusive.

Given that you seem to except that, I fail to see your point.

P.S. Legends continuity also includes various statements that tout Sidious to be the most powerful dark sider ever so that is not a fact. In the absence of a retcon you have no grounds to dismiss these claims.


You perfectly stated what I have been trying to, for weeks. Just a heads up, you'll probably get the publication argument for the sources claiming Sidious is the strongest darksider, yet he seems to overlook the fact that his vaunted TOR Encyclopedia (while published more recently) doesn't overwrite anything past the TOR era.

I would like your opinion on something, though (and anyone else who wants to respond). Do the statements about Yoda and Sidious being the most powerful practitioners of Light/Dark side, at the time of ROTS, and the statement of Exar Kun being called "once, the most powerful Dark Lord of the Sith" still stand? I'm willing to say Kuns should be listed as "one of the most powerful," because of the tOR Encyclopedia, but I think the Yoda/Sidious statement still stands.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
I'm on an iPhone out of town, so I can't make as detailed a response as I would like to. Being out of town, I also have no access to Appocalypse or quotes from it, so keep that in mind.
No problem, take your time with responses.

However, exercise caution while presenting information. If you do not have a source, it is better to not rely on it for reference.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
What is important to consider feat wise, is that while you may challenge all of these feats with ones in similar areas that rival these, the ones do possess all of these feats unlike the people you are trying to prove their rivals in certain areas.
I pointed out that The Ones might be very good at performing actions but their talents have been duplicated by others. The Ones have superior command of the Force then any known mortal so they are expected to perform really well accordingly.

However, your reasoning have a flaw, you are assuming that The Ones have performed all the previously mentioned actions (listed by you) and this may not be the case with others. DO NOT assume this, this is not sound reasoning.

We do not have a check-list of full extent of capabilities of each character of the mythos to make a comparison. I can point out talents and actions that The Ones have not demonstrated, so let us not get in to this kind of argument.

For example, consider Satele Shan. She have demonstrated remarkable performance in various talents, advanced telekinetic abilities, advanced telepathic abilities, advanced tutaminis abilities, advanced shatterpoint abilities and esoteric powers that others have not demonstrated yet. She didn't acquire such an understanding of the Force without learning many abilities. And it is obvious that full extent of her abilities are not known at the moment or may not be necessarily revealed.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
As far as the dread masters ability to shift their corporeal forms, correct me if I'm wrong, but did they not just change their physical size, while the Ones transformed their entire forms into something else entirely?
One of the Dread Masters transformed himself in to a gigantic beast or something while combating the Strike Team. The same Dread Master revived his pet (a dragon) from death after it was struck down in the battle by his enemies, if I remember correctly. The beast had to be struck down again.

Very tough operation, Dread Masters demonstrated nearly endless Force abilities and talents.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Yep, lightsabers are seemingly a danger to everybody else in a straight fight that the Ones have bypassed.
Agreed

Originally posted by Emperordmb
I do not have Apocalypse with me on vacation, so I cannot give you a quote for the mountain thing, but the Son's lightning overwhelming the defenses of one who has blocked a lightsaber blade with his hands with casual disdain is self-evident from the TCW episodes.
I will check TCW and get back to you on this.

However, I shall assume that your claim of Son obliterating mountains with Force lightning is baseless.

What I know from the referred novel is that Son possibly hurled some boulders like missiles with his telekinetic abilities during some of his battles, same was done by Daughter and Father.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Whether or not this was a passive or active ability is up for debate. It definitely seems more passive to me, but either way it still outshines the examples you have brought up. Vitiate caused lightning storms through rituals, which is not as impressive as doing it passively or through active will. And the examples you provided me of Jedi and Sith doing similar things were not quite as extreme as instantaneously shifting an extreme environment to its polar opposite, and many of these were either done through ritual or not overly impressive (ie fog).
Rituals, often performed singlehandedly, represent methods to manipulate the Force in ways not possible with simple gestures; they represent much higher level of concentration to perform an action then would be possible in lets say combative situations. This doesn't means that actions performed in this manner lack use of power and character performing these actions is weak, in-fact, some of the greatest feats are performed during meditative situations. Emperor Vitiate singlehandedly influenced the environment of an entire planet with his dark side practices and he expended lot of energy towards this end, and Dromund Kaas is a very big planet.

I am not getting the polar opposite part, did Son and Daugher shifted the entire environment of Mortis without exerting or something? I don't think this is true.

Also, everybody didn't perform feats of Alter environment with rituals. Some performed very impressive feats in this respect without exerting much.

Emperor Vitiate exerted because he attempted to influence the entire environment of a very large planet. Do you realize how big Dromund Kaas is? It is much larger then planet Earth (real) and planet Katarr (fictional).

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Talzin hasn't teleported as instantaneously as the Ones, and Jadus has not demonstrated as much range with this power, or the ability to do something like teleport onto a moving ship.
Darth Jadus swiftly teleported himself in to various parts of his flagship and his vessel is very big. No need to underestimate Darth Jadus in this matter.

Have a look at a harrower-class cruiser:

http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120425024504/starwars/images/thumb/0/05/HarrowerClassDreadnaught-EGW.jpg/500px-HarrowerClassDreadnaught-EGW.jpg

Large image: http://static4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130206031728/starwars/images/c/c7/Doombringer01.jpg

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Eh the stealth one is quite common, but the Son's ability to not be sensed at all by a third Jedi ten feet away from him when his companions are already in panic, right after teleport in is arguably one of the most impressive displays of this power.
I think Darth Traya have comparable showing in this respect, heard from some members in SWTOR official forum. Fellow member Beniboybling knows about this, you may consult him about this.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Provide me an example if I'm wrong, but this necromancy from ancient Sith sorcerers seems to be limited to summoning spirits and reanimating corpses. In any case, that is not the only impressive thing about that feat. The Daughter also purge the Dark Side from Ahsoka's body after she had been literally infected with it.
See the example of Dread Masters above. I am not sure that ancients achieved reanimating the corpses only. Ancient practitioners of the dark side have insane and sick history in regard to accomplishments.

I don't find purging of dark side from Ahsoka a unique accomplishment, sounds like redeeming effort through telepathic influence. In-fact, Emperor Vitiate twisted many Jedi to dark side with his telepathic influence.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Name one person who could beat Anakin that quickly in melee combat with thy much casual disdain.
Maybe not that quickly but some can easily dominate Anakin Skywalker with their powers, speed and ferocity. As much as you may believe in hype of Anakin Skywalker, he is no match for some of the greatest Jedi and Sith warriors. He never reached his peak potential.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
The clarity and breadth of their foresight is still highly impressive. Admittedly this was not my strongest point, I was merely demonstrating their knowledge.
Not denying this. Though they have been duplicated in this respect.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
I don't have access to Apocalypse right now, but even if it is as you say, the Ones were still capable of augmenting an entire race to a very great extent from halfway accross the Galaxy on a planet meant to cut them off from the rest of the Galaxy. So even if you are correct, this is still a very tremendous feat in both magnitude and range at the same time.
Friend, do some research on BM of Bastilla Shan.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
You completely missed the point of the lifespan thing. I was pointing out that the Father's dying after billions of years is not a mark of inferiority to anybody else considering that the Ones have lived longer than anyone else in the mythos by a factor of one million. Vitiate's lifespan has not been tested nearly to the extent that the Ones' have, and they too are considered corporeally immortal. I'm not trying to discredit Vitiate here, I'm merely saying that Using the Ones' lifespans to discredit them in comparison with other characters is almost axiomatically fallacious.
Billions of years? He was 100,000 years old or slightly more.

Emperor Vitiate's ability to last limitlessly should not be in doubt, he achieved the necessary condition for this. However, wars lead to destruction.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Disney did away with th hierarchy in existing canon, which does not include Legends. There is nothing indicating that the hierarchy no longer exists in Legends. In fact the source that established this hierarchy technically falls under Legends now, so it is fully applicable in the Legends continuity.

As I have previously mentioned, just because a source is added to the lore does not allow it to overwrite other sources of higher standing. Only elements or statements originating from Lucas hold this standing.

Just because a new statement is made doesn't mean older statements are invalid when they are not contradicted by newer statements. In any case, if you choose to consider Canon and Legends part of the same continuity, then as Canon, TCW has a higher standing then SWTOR incontestably. If you look at them as separate, then new statements by Disney have absolutely no bearing on the Legends continuity.
I don't know why you are not getting simple explanation.

Disney have abolished the hierarchy-driven canon policy. It have relabeled G-canon and T-canon content as Canon and relabeled C-canon content as Legends. Legends continuity doesn't have hierarchy of its own, you are misrepresenting Disney's actions.

Yes, Canon continuity have higher value then Legends continuity much like G-canon and T-canon content had in comparison to C-canon content. I never disputed this, I simply pointed out that Legends continuity contradicts Canon continuity in matters of most powerful Force-users. You may choose to favor any continuity but this contradiction is not going to vanish.

Legends continuity is like an alternate universe to main Star Wars mythos.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Again, I lack access to Apocalypse right now, but IIRC this quote is from the convo where Luke explains the story of Abeloth and the Ones to everyone else. In any case it'll take more than one misrecalled quote for you to successfully destroy my credibility if that's what you want to stoop to.
I am not destroying your credibility, you will do this on your own by presenting information which is not public knowledge without evidence.

Get access to Apocalypse novel and then come back to me.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Legends continuity is like an alternate universe to main Star Wars mythos.
One more thing:

Their is possibility for Legends continuity to get re-canonized if its developments are referenced in upcoming Canon content.

She is speaking directly to Boba Fett himself.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
She is speaking directly to Boba Fett himself.
And this changes nothing.

Boba Fett wasn't an expert in matters of entities, he was not getting the explanations regarding Abeloth so Tahiri informed him to not think about entities in materialistic manner.

Boba Fett is an expert on all things, bro. He is Boba Fett.
watch?v=jn_J425eo3Q

The jokes are strong with you.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Nobody ever claimed the ones are unstoppable. Do they surpass every other Force User in existence? Yes. Do they possess true immortality? Yes. Are immortality and invincibility mutually exclusive? Yes.
You are contradicting yourself by asserting that The Ones are not unstoppable and then asserting that they were omnipotent, and making flawed assumptions.

1. Do they surpass every other Force-user in existence? Possible
2. Do they possess true immortality? No (Father was dying)
3. Are immortality and omnipotence mutually exclusive? No (The Ones would never perish if this was true)

Immortality is about ever-lasting life, however, in Star Wars, it does not equates omnipotence. Omnipotence represents its highest stage.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Evidence that they surpass every known living Force User:

1. Leland Chee confirmed on his offical Twitter account that the Father is the most powerful Force-wielder in existence.

https://twitter.com/HolocronKeeper/status/352618406517809153

Considering the Son and the Daughter rival him in power we can assume they are just beneath him.

Do we have reason to doubt Leland Chee's word? No. Leland Chee is a member of the Lucasfilm Story Group

And according to Leland Chee himself:

Star Wars Canon is now determined by the Lucasfilm Story Group which and I are both a part of.

https://twitter.com/HolocronKeeper/status/420071186232385536

Therefore any statements made my Leland Chee or any other member of the Story Group on matters of Star Wars fiction must be considered canonical, to assume otherwise is to willfully ignore his authority.
And this is why I believe that Father is candidate for the most powerful Force-user ever. Therefore, am I ignoring this revelation? No

However, why Lucasfilm Story Group did not reiterate this assertion at official capacity?

In the mysterious realm of Mortis there exists a trio of beings able to wield the Force in ways no known mortals of the galaxy can. The Father maintained balance between his Daughter and his Son, who expressed affinity to the light and dark sides of the Force, respectively. The Father knew his days were numbered -- facing his impending demise, he needed to find another to keep the balance. His goal was the same described in an ancient Jedi prophesy -- the rise of a Chosen One who will bring balance to the Force.

Source: http://www.starwars.com/databank/father

Because Mr. Chee is the boss, His decisions can be overruled by the boss of Lucasfilm Story Group who is Carrie Beck.

Allow me to introduce to you the full members of Lucasfilm Story Group:-

- Carrie Beck (Director)
- Diana Williams (Producer)
- Leeland Chee (Holocron Keeper)
- Pablo Hidalgo (Brand Manager)

Poof.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
2.

My children and I can manipulate the Force like no other, therefore it was necessary to withdraw from the temporal world and live here as anchorites.

--the Father

Do we have reason to doubt the Father? No. The Father had demonstrated potent awareness of powerful beings in the galaxy proven by his knowledge of the Chosen One and his ability to draw him to Mortis using a Jedi distress call. It is also likely that the Father has been waiting and therefore searching for the Chosen One for a very long time.
Do we have the reason to doubt the Father? Yes

The Ones, used to live in a planet, long ago and they had disputes back then. Guess what? Galaxy remained in-tact. Universe remained in-tact.

Abeloth forced The Ones to flee from this planet. Afterwards, The Ones resided in Mortis and made arrangements to trap Abeloth within the MAW system. Son and Daughter joined Killiks in their effort to build a complex system to prevent escape from Abeloth to the galaxy at large and not pursue them either.

As far as awareness of Father is concerned;

"When news reached me that the Chosen One had been found, I needed to see for myself."

Doesn't sounds like Father being aware of presence of Chosen One in the galaxy from his powers.

Also, The Ones kept contact with the outside world and this is why they would often activate a tracking signal, outsiders would often find this signal, visit them, learn about them and inform them about developments in the galaxy at large. By chance, Anakin Skywalker found this tracking signal or so it seems. Earliest known contact made with The Ones in Mortis was around 24,500 BBY by a guy named Xendor.

Of-course, I am not doubting the ability of The Ones to use the Force to sense developments and disturbances in the galaxy at large but they were not as aware as you presume them to be because they restricted themselves to Mortis.

As far as Father's remark is concerned, he was dying and he craved a replacement to ensure control over his siblings. When Anakin Skywalker arrived, Father attempted to manipulate him to convince him to consider his offer or fulfill his agenda. Best way to do this is to present scary stories about why his siblings had to be contained.

Learn to understand stories, Beni.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
The Ones have also shown a collective awareness of the Jedi, Sith and the current conflict occuring in the galaxy i.e. the Clone Wars.
They had ample ways to figure out developments in the galaxy at large.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
And finally considering it is the Father's duty to maintain balance in the Force, he likely therefore maintains an exceptionally strong connection to both the Living and Cosmic Force, which would give him the ability to sense the presence and gauge the ability of powerful beings in the galaxy.

To conclude, it is highly unlikely and baseless to assume that powerful Force wielders existing in the galaxy would escape their notice.
Covered before.

Father did not ensured balance of the Force at cosmic scale, he ensured balance in Mortis, among his siblings, in symbolic manner.

LeGenD, once again, T-Canon>C-Canon. There is no debate.

Originally posted by Kalen Sykes
You perfectly stated what I have been trying to, for weeks. Just a heads up, you'll probably get the publication argument for the sources claiming Sidious is the strongest darksider, yet he seems to overlook the fact that his vaunted TOR Encyclopedia (while published more recently) doesn't overwrite anything past the TOR era.

I would like your opinion on something, though (and anyone else who wants to respond). Do the statements about Yoda and Sidious being the most powerful practitioners of Light/Dark side, at the time of ROTS, and the statement of Exar Kun being called "once, the most powerful Dark Lord of the Sith" still stand? I'm willing to say Kuns should be listed as "one of the most powerful," because of the tOR Encyclopedia, but I think the Yoda/Sidious statement still stands. I try.

I believe, especially given the wording. That the statement made in regards to Exar Kun is definitely time bound, considering Sidious has a similar statement in the same guide.

So Exar Kun was the most powerful Dark Lord of the Sith, until Sidious came along. This doesn't dispute TOR either because the Sith Emperor was never recognised as a Dark Lord of the Sith.

How many times does this need to be said? Legends cannot contradict, overwrite, or otherwise affect Canon continuity. It doesn't matter when TOR Encyclopedia was released, because when Disney created the new Canon parameters, TCW superseded TOR. You keep saying that Legends continuity can affect Canon, but the fact remains it can't. Canon continuity is what Disney uses and accepts, while Legends continuity is where they put everything they don't want in their universe. Can that change in the future? Yes, but until that day comes, if it ever does, this is what we have. I apologize if it sounds like I'm ranting, but this is getting frustrating.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
LeGenD, once again, T-Canon>C-Canon. There is no debate.
Tell this to authors of Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia.

Look, I understand respecting Canon and related stuff, however, sourcebooks are not created in haste. They represent different perspectives and views.

I am simply keeping an open mind.

Your "open mind" is wrong.

Originally posted by Kalen Sykes
How many times does this need to be said? Legends cannot contradict, overwrite, or otherwise affect Canon continuity. It doesn't matter when TOR Encyclopedia was released, because when Disney created the new Canon parameters, TCW superseded TOR. You keep saying that Legends continuity can affect Canon, but the fact remains it can't. Canon continuity is what Disney uses and accepts, while Legends continuity is where they put everything they don't want in their universe. Can that change in the future? Yes, but until that day comes, if it ever does, this is what we have.
I understand but importance of Legends continuity have not diminished. It is relevant consultation source for Disney and should be for fans as well.

Otherwise, Disney could simply declare EU content N-canon. Legends is not N-canon.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Legends is not N-canon.
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Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Your "open mind" is wrong.
Change your avatar, gives strange vibe about you.

No, having an open mind, is the best practice. World have progressed due to open-minded people.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
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Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Change your avatar, gives strange vibe about you.
Meh. I asked a girl if it was okay, and she said yes, so I feel it's appropriate and fine compared to other avatars on this forum.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
No, having an open mind, is the best practice. World have progressed due to open-minded people.
Except...that's not how Star Wars canon works.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
I understand but importance of Legends continuity have not diminished. It is relevant consultation sources for Disney and should be for fans as well.

Otherwise, Disney could simply declare EU content N-canon. Legends is not N-canon.


That's exactly what it is. By not recognizing it in their universe, it is non-canon, to Disney. Look, I understand your viewpoints on Legends, but the fact remains that it is below Canon continuity and can be affected by Canon. The only way it can affect Canon continuity is if information is pulled from Legends and placed in Canon.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Meh. I asked a girl if it was okay, and she said yes, so I feel it's appropriate and fine compared to other avatars on this forum.
That girl fooled you.

Girls like masculinity. You must embrace it, otherwise, you will be undone, destroyed.

Satele Shan had hots for Darth Malgus, truefax.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Except...that's not how Star Wars canon works.
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Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Otherwise, Disney could simply declare EU content N-canon. Legends is not N-canon.

I'm.... pretty dang sure it is actually.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Girls like masculinity. You must embrace it, otherwise, you will be undone, destroyed.http://r26.imgfast.net/users/2613/36/14/96/smiles/752783128.gif

He's already accepted femininity at the hands of Neph.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
He's already accepted femininity at the hands of Neph.
Only Neph have the power to do this to men.